Will The North of England Become An Independent Country in 2021?

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The Northern Independence Party was created in October 2020 and wants to create an independent nation of 'Northumbria' that would secede from the United Kingdom. This video is not a political endorsement of the party or their message, but rather a look at some of their claims regarding the Northumbrian history and identity, as well as addressing the North-South divide which is one of their main raisons d'être.
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Northern Independence Party Website:
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The North South Divide - Geographical:
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North-South Divide University Admissions - BBC News:
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[@-gemberkoekje-5547]

If this happens, an interesting side effect is that England would technically be warmer

[@hagalathekido]

the state of england, not the country of england*

[@cullenmitchell9165]

@@hagalathekido *Airstrip One

[@roonilwazlib3089]

True... we do bring down the average temperature up here 🤣8oc rn

[@m9rsm284]

@@roonilwazlib3089 it’s 13

[@jamiMusik]

@@hagalathekido Im pretty sure all members of the Union are 'constituent nations' and not states.

[@liamtahaney713]

Can't wait for 50 years when it's the "United kingdom of Kent, East Anglia, Wessex, and the Isle of Wight"

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

Make Wessex great again!

[@betrayal6231]

@@c.norbertneumann4986 omg 😂

[@fduranthesee]

Oh boy

[@NYorksElcapitan]

Northumbria will rule

[@Coleorton7]

Why no Mercia? >_>

[@Natasha-tu5qs]

I grew up in North Yorkshire, and went to university in Durham. Even there, I can tell you, the majority of students (>80%) were from Southern England, and many of those from private schools. The contrast with the local and neighbouring population was especially stark. The north really has been hung out to dry for far too long.

[@independentandfree6466]

@Oritra Kar Facts appear to be lost on you. Why the hell do you think they want to be separate from South East dominance. It has just been explained in the video.

[@MichaelJones-bd7kj]

Bunch of art school southern trendies

[@ryanhurley3805]

but since the southeast is the only area that generates a net surplus how is an independent north going to finance itself? (I'm not trying to have an argument just interested in people's opinions).

[@ryanhurley3805]

@@MindSurf248 the idea in the video is a completely separate North so not part of the uk but if a North of england with similar power to Scotland and Wales now like you suggested happened I think it could be relatively successful

[@CaitSithDubh]

Just on the University thing, I felt the exact same thing being from Glasgow and going to Edinburgh Uni.

[@jonbaker3870]

I feel like the Isle of Mann just sits and watches all this happening around it, and just says,”I’m all good as long as I keep my street racing.”

[@onlytruejames]

Legally its not part of the UK, its a crown dependency. Its quite interesting.

[@warrendoyle2875]

Half way between the UK and IRELAND, if the Isle of Mann feels like a change then........ Hey, how you doin?

[@JaggedBird]

@@onlytruejames kinda like how some parts of NI became. How sad..

[@mrmarmellow563]

@@onlytruejames AYE AYE True& Glad SAVE HER MAJESTY!!

[@onlytruejames]

@@mrmarmellow563 I'm not sure what, if anything, she needs saving from

[@pixel6964]

Being from Cumbria I can see why this movement would be appealing, the government really doesn't care about the north until something happened and it shows by just looking at the state of the area.

[@Pine_of_England]

I think the answer is federalism. While the North certainly gets the worst end of the stick, its really everyone who gets screwed over by London. Its less of a North/South divide, and more of a London/Not London divide. It might also be nice to copy South Africa's approach of three capitals. Perhaps instead of centring everything on London, we could instead have London, Birmingham, and Manchester.

[@rossnapier4552]

The north doesn't exist to most of the government until it comes to taxes and elections

[@numega7323]

@@Pine_of_England Also, the most ironic thing is that London is quite left-wing. Much like the North. But yeah, I agree.

[@Pine_of_England]

@@numega7323 Hate the terms left and right tbh. All they do is oversimplify views, push people to hold views they don't have (or vice versa), and sew division.

[@kingstratagist]

@@Pine_of_England Yea that idea would work but under the current goverment they see no problem with it, cause they won seats in the north and after the eleciton they start to care less about their promises. i.e. cutting the funding for the armed forces and the corruption investigtion are some of the recent examples.

[@Makofueled]

Local governments with local budgets for local infrastructure projects chosen based on local needs, make my dreams come true.

[@ciaranmck4469]

Is right lad fuck the torrys

[@chrismath149]

We have a system like that in Austria. Imagine sitting in a room with nine people screaming stuff through loudspeakers while one person tries to explain something. That's what it feels like when the national government tries to tell the federal governments what to do. It isn't all bad but every time something needs to be done there are at least three politicians who do everything in their power to bombard that effort, even if the ones trying to implement it are part of their own party.

[@sawyersprott]

@@ciaranmck4469 Dude no, Labour is far worse when it comes to this issue. Labour is more collective than the Tories (who are also quite collective, just not as much). This isn’t a Tory issue.

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@sawyersprott it is lad since when did Labour close down thousands of jobs without notice and help?

[@jamesfinch2235]

@@sawyersprott one of kier starmers policies for his run for leadership was the creation of a Yorkshire parliament with devolved powers.

[@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4]

I find it interesting and weird that the government in westminster and London is so bad and out of touch that other parts are trying to secede.

[@TheBayzent]

It's happening in almost all of Europe to be honest. COVID has shown to the masses that we are ruled by the most inept.

[@ezilesrameis3845]

@@TheBayzent At least in Poland the Voivodeships aren't trying to become independent, we might argue with each other on daily basis, but when it comes to dealing with problems... then we stand united.

[@davidgalloway266]

Add Scotland and most of Britain wants to leave Britain. Why not just throw out the South East of England?

[@finngregory3599]

why not just throw out London..get independent Sussex and Kent...the South East does not equal London

[@jacobarcher1097]

@Jack Archer I've personally seen a massive rise in devolution popularity over the last few years from knowing no one who wanted it in 2016 to knowing atleast half of my friends wanting devolution or independence

[@thatonecharlie]

Its also quite telling that Oxford and Cambridge rejected a request for the establishment of a Northern University in I think the 1500s. Hence Durham University was only established in the 1800s. Doxbridge was meant to happen all along

[@alexturlais8558]

That doesn't surprise me at all that they'd wanna keep all the power to themselves in the south.

[@maxdavis7722]

This is nothing to do with the north/south divide. They tried setting up a university in Northampton in the 1200s but Oxford convinced the king against it and again in Stamford in the 1300s. Neither of those universities were in the north, this isn’t about getting wealth in the south. The example of Durham is just Oxford and Cambridge trying to keep students to themselves (Oxford tried to kill Cambridge too).

[@maphone3500]

I’m from Manchester and while I’m not really sold on independence, we need more self governance and investment in proper infrastructure. At the moment we only get investment if it also benefits London, but we need ways to develop internally and Westminster is so out of touch that I feel a local assembly (or also maybe actually local MPs as opposed to MPs who are from London but can run in the north despite this bc there’s lots of safe seats for both parties) is the best way to ensure this

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Thinkin a federal UK?

[@maphone3500]

@Albert Fels yes 25 years ago Manchester was given money to develop, but you might remember that it literally took an IRA bomb destroying the city centre for the government to actually do it. Making a poor place less poor but keeping it poor isn’t a long term solution

[@raquetdude]

Local Assemblies can only go so far and the whole of the UK no matter where would still be reliant on London.

[@7hi5on35]

If England extended the financial freedoms the centre of London benefits from to more city centres, the investment would become less centralised around London. Understanding why England is how it is when compared against other large European countries, we have to look at the Tax exceptions 'The City of London (not the city called 'London') benefit from. England is how it is for four reasons; naval dominance, geographic autonomy/defensiveness, population size and economic ethos. The ultimate reason England has excelled is, like other tax haven states in Europe; it has been pro-business for a very long time. If the rest of England / Britain want to be able to compete with London, we need the same economic privileges. tl;dr no tax nationwide will draw business away from London.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

I agree am in favour of de centralsation including Ireland, provincal governments

[@MrProudfop]

Hello. It's Philip Proudfoot here, founder of the Northern Independence Party. I just wanted to say thank you for producing such a thoughtful, rich, and detailed video. I learned a lot and apologies for playing around with history haphazardly!

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

😀😳

[@myrddinemrys1332]

While I could never vote for an independent Northumbria, I would vote for a fully devolved Northumbria and a federalised UK so maybe those could be additional options or referendums if you managed to force a coalition.

[@Pine_of_England]

It would sadden me to see our country torn apart. I'd much prefer a federal, united England, with power wrestled firmly away from London.

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@Pine_of_England I'd like a federal UK with power distributed as evenly as possible between the Countries and the Regions of England.

[@nevreiha]

nice

[@evandxvies]

You pronounced Cymru beautifully

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Catalonia and Northumbria, both having independence movements with red and yellow striped flags: 🤝

[@AlexanderSilver1996]

Hey Avery, how are you doing today? I’ve seen you so often I feel like we are firm friends already.

[@Johnny-tk9lk]

Sup

[@furboii9077]

🟨🟥✊

[@DTG-classified]

Except from the fact most Catalonians want independence and most northern english consider themselves as English and don’t pay attention to the silly independence campaigns too such as myself and that we don’t care about Cumbria which is trying to force us Mancunians/Manchester people into becoming Northumbrians which I’ll never be because I’m English from the English city of Manchester!

[@TheBayzent]

@@DTG-classified Northumbrians never stopped being English, that doesn't make them like the people of Wessex. And keeping in mind how the South keeps treating the North, it's not unreasonable to want, at the very least, devolution.

[@jozefreba171]

as a pole i only know that jon snow speaks with a north english accent

[@matthewdavid6134]

and Doctor who

[@andrewmilburn7656]

Yorkshire accent. That's practically french😋

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@matthewdavid6134 9th doctor

[@matthewdavid6134]

@@oscarosullivan4513 and 10th too right?

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@matthewdavid6134 No but David Tennant used a Estuary accent and Martin Crompston or who ever plays Steve Arnott does something similair

[@Neoentrophy]

I'm more sold on the idea of London becoming Independent, so the rest of the UK has a chance

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

@@masonajmufasamurphy2496 city of London and London London (westminster) are different though

[@LordBandit200]

@Tammy XoX what are you talking about, is that a dog whistle or something.

[@duwang8499]

*I'm more sold on the idea of London being nuked, so the rest of the UK has a chance. There, fixed it for you.

[@LordBandit200]

@@duwang8499 why so blood thirsty?

[@duwang8499]

@@LordBandit200 I just like to make fun of Capital cities. May it be Berlin, Paris or London.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

No independence movements in our country everyone is happy

[@arma5166]

in fact south korea shall embrace your rule

[@normonsta8057]

Juche!!

[@lemonade_011]

Wu not at all

[@ZeZnn]

Thanks Kim can I please get through your border 👉🏻👈🏻

[@frequencyspectrum9931]

Damn, its like the uk is slowly going to its medieval look

[@darthmaul7530]

Yeah cuz if northumbria Becomes independent wales Scotland and Cornwall will definitely go aswell

[@emperorenvi8814]

@@darthmaul7530 then what happens to Northern Ireland

[@Dots321]

@@emperorenvi8814 they go independent as well

[@emperorenvi8814]

@@Dots321 that's 6 new countries

[@ruairioconnell9554]

@@Dots321 we won’t go independent well join the republic

[@RealUlrichLeland]

France is also a very centralised country. Just by looking at the train network you can see how everything leads to Paris even though it's double the size of the UK

[@31ll087]

France is probably very happy seeing its historical rival start tearing itself apart.

[@nevreiha]

at least paris is slightly more central, it's still northern france but it's nowhere near as backed into a corner as london is.

[@ervandrafadhlil403]

At least the french had experience at dealing with corrupt and over centralised goverment

[@Epicrandomness1111]

@@nevreiha I don't think you know about the Occitan. The divide is just as significant, british people just don't shut up about their part of the country being screwed because in actuality the entire country is in hard decline.

[@nevreiha]

@@Epicrandomness1111 I know about the occitan bt it in detail, I have lived in the north and the south of england and the north is a lot more shit than the south. The difference in government spending is blatantly obvious, even if everywhere is in decline the north it significantly further into decline than the south

[@pickupthatcan9696]

I'm going to declare independence of myself from the UK. The independent nation of me!

[@crestfallenknight6599]

I ,the sovereign republic of myself recognise your independence!

[@pickupthatcan9696]

@@crestfallenknight6599 as a representative of the leader and the population of the People’s Republic of Myself, of whom are also simultaneously me, I also recognise your independence as a nation and propose an Economic Union of Ourselves to counter the influence of the UK on our respective economies.

[@crestfallenknight6599]

@@pickupthatcan9696 I, the sovereign republic of myself, after much careful deliberation agree to your most honourable proposal and accept it. May the union bring prosperity and wealth in aboundance to both our people's.

[@lawden210]

Sovereign citizens in a nutshell

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

@@crestfallenknight6599 As a Me unionist I think that you are interfering with my right to be both me and British! Grrrr.

[@ReaperCH90]

UK is devolving back into the 9th Century. Very nice, easier to pick up one by one.

[@gaton6116]

Soon the danes will invade ⚔

[@aidansumner8364]

Not what the Romans said when they attempted to conquer our Germanic ancestors. Then we commit genocide the unified Romans (which is a good thing) because we are ultimately the superior peoples.

[@Nikwunu]

Exactly. The point of separatism is to let the EU plunder countries for all they are worth, because they don't have a centralized government to protect their national interests.

[@Xylospring]

@@Nikwunu This could backfire, however. Doesn't France have problems of its own similar to This?

[@jacopofolin6400]

@@aidansumner8364 Bro Rome invaded 3 times at least (Teotoburg, Reven on Teotoburg and the marcomanni wars) and 2/3 they won and put roman-frindly chiftains. They didn't occupy Germania because was not cost effective, in that time the North was really poor

[@HuxLegends]

Being from Texas and having a thick Texan accent, the only British accent I can do well is that of Wallace from Wallace and Gromit. I’m under the understanding that his accent is that of Yorkshire. After you mentioned the bit about northern accents being seen as comical, that brought me back to the fact that when doing Wallace’s accent, I’m often told by Americans that I’m “doing the British accent wrong”, or that I “don’t even sound British”. Alternatively, I’ve been told by a friend with a mother from the UK that the Wallace accent is spot on.

[@samdaniels2]

Yeah although Wallace is fictionally from Lancashire, the accent is definitely Yorkshire. Just one thing I want to point out, British is NOT a synonym of English. So saying 'British accent' also includes all the Scottish accents and Welsh accents too. I'd recomend listening to Welsh accents as many Americans aren't aware of them :)

[@SiPakRubah]

​@@samdaniels2 Assassin's Creed Black Flag would be the best way to hear the Welsh English accent, because the main character (Edward Connor) is Welsh, even the voice actor himself too, so that's a great start

[@samdaniels2]

@@SiPakRubah Yeah I agree, his accent is badass. Funnily enough I had a mate from Swansea and he sounded just like Kenway lol.

[@HuxLegends]

@@samdaniels2 I’m aware of the difference between what is English and British, I am a historian. Some do need to be told this, however, so thank you.

[@samdaniels2]

@@HuxLegends I wasn't trying to patronise you, I just wanted to make sure as I can't tell you how frustrating it is when Americans confuse the two. Although I am flattered you like Yorkshire accents.

[@bluemountain4181]

I think we would benefit by moving the capital out of London and to the Midlands or North. Atm things are very London centric, that transport spending you mentioned is a classic example. Ideally we could change the first-past-the-post system at the same time because safe seats are part of the problem. Also, North-South divide: *sad Midlands noises*

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Sort that accent out first, then we can talk about the midlands. >:)

[@TRIXrWING]

@@DrumToTheBassWoop Stick it in Nottingham we have a neutral accent, as long as you remove "t" from the alphabeh

[@alexander9703]

Even if it wasn't a terrible idea, which it is, it wouldn't change anything. London would remain the financial and commercial capital of the United Kingdom, as it is the financial capital of the world after all

[@briandenning4851]

North-South divide: *sad West Country noises*

[@joesmith8701]

@@TRIXrWING no dont put it in duck land

[@povsok3858]

Man, Philip’s foot would be very proud

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Whos Philip

[@FifthHydra39076]

@@oscarosullivan4513 joe Philip mama

[@TheWaveGoodbye-Music]

it is :D

[@sankalppandey7995]

@@oscarosullivan4513 It is Philip Proudfoot. Watch at 2:41

[@belgebelgravia100]

I was really confused for a minute, about what Prince Phillip had to do with the Northumbrian Independence Movement

[@slavik1855]

Im a Polish immigrant living in Lancashire for 11 years and I must say even more Balkanisation is not what this country needs, what it needs is a better government. A strong UK is a good UK. (Except for London that place is a lost cause)

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Russell Howard on David Cameron visiting the North after the floods, “Hello Northerners, it was me who cut the flood defence budget in the first place

[@thewayfarer8849]

As s southerner from Kent, more northern representation would be welcome. London is bloated in its undeserved over importance. And I don't really like the needless division, stereotypes exist for no reason and part of my own country has all of these assumptions that I have an issue with them, which is due to politicians who should be beholden to the people who elect them.

[@ktdoty9921]

Quick question from an American named Kent, have you met many people from Kent named Kent?

[@thewayfarer8849]

@@ktdoty9921 Ha, as a matter of fact, I have never met anyone named Kent. It'll sound odd, but the name Kent is more American than English. Kent is the county and I've only heard of it as that. But on the other hand, Kent is a name in American popular culture (Clark Kent) and I remember reading the name in some F Scott Fitzgerald stories. I hope that helps, that question was unexpected and a pick up of my day.

[@ktdoty9921]

@@thewayfarer8849 I was actually born in one of the many American Kent counties, so maybe that's a part of the reason 😅

[@thewayfarer8849]

@@ktdoty9921 Hahaha, fantastic. I find it both amusing and brilliant that it is the case. That from a rural kind of garden county by the sea, across an ocean the name carried on so far, and is more popular there

[@mrbritannia3833]

I’d rather all you northerners, easterners and Londoners would just mind your own business and let us run our own

[@jacobscrackers98]

I think that even if the North doesn not break away, the existence of that party might be a motivator for Westminster to fix some of the problems that you were talking about in the North. That was a really interesting video. Thanks!

[@TheXenomorphGuySMSE]

oh god, all my jokes about wanting to stage a coup and bring back the four kingdoms.... and now its coming true...

[@byzantineboi8345]

I similar jokes though mine tended towards the “””BRILLIANT”””” idea carving up new counties just because one region pronounced some letters a little differently

[@danielziemba8045]

You are a powerful meme sorcerer indeed.

[@Xylospring]

This sounds like something I would do if I were a Politician. I'm shook.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

Apollo has given you the gift of prophecy

[@NatalieJ22]

This is really fascinating, I know quite a bit about English history but I wasn’t really aware of the extent of the north-south divide. It makes sense why people would be upset about being neglected by politicians and the other discrepancies you mentioned but I’m not sure independence seems like a good solution. Either way this was a really well made video and I definitely feel like I have a much better understanding of the situation. Thank you :)

[@joshnicholson2934]

The north of England is the most deprived area comparable to the rest of the country of any country in Europe by a massive margin and that will only get worse

[@Toby-dc6pn]

I've been waiting for this one!:)

[@theblackprince1346]

Bring back Bernicia! Form shieldwall!

[@crhu319]

A new party just running there could work. If you wear Dark Ages cosplay to campaign!

[@cptsuperstraight6924]

Make Boenicia great again.

[@Moishe555]

wyrd byth ful araed!

[@arkle519]

I wish you had also mentioned the fact that the north has a large group of traditional dialects that are so different from the standard they could almost be a separate language. These dialects have all died due to negligence. Most people don't even know the fact that Scots is in fact a part of this northern dialect continuum and think it begins and ends at the English border.

[@chilldude30]

You covered this really well man

[@alexbarrett3832]

As a midlander I'd quite like independence for Mercia as well. Lets just all break away and leave london on their own.

[@vontai4553]

You’ll all get economically strangled by other euro countries like the balkans 😭thus it is not smart

[@foxxer4352]

@@vontai4553 thus

[@georgeptolemy7260]

@@vontai4553 thus

[@Pine_of_England]

Nah. Why tear our country apart? Get rid of London instead.

[@yonboybigbezang8808]

@@vontai4553 SUS

[@michaelpaget6288]

I don't wanna be divided. I wanna be together.

[@independentandfree6466]

The north-south divide is unfair. Time to take back control. Brexit gave more power to the crazies, i.e. tories.

[@stephenp1131986]

@@independentandfree6466 exactly.. people wrongly voted Brexit, not understanding the real intention of Brexit.. ie to escape the tax evasion reforms within the EU; basically Brexit was a get rich quick scheme for the Tories, at the expense of ordinary working people, including the very people who were disillusioned enough to vote for Brexit.

[@AlexanderSilver1996]

Great video, as always. Also, thank you for the MagellanTV special offer!

[@isaacgriffin5690]

Another great video Hilbert! You use a great mix of maps and visual breakdowns that complement your gentle, and informative, verbal info. Keep up the great work! Sad to see we live in a time we have to put an * explaining we mean nothing political just for holding a classic flag.

[@alexanders-k5389]

I think the north south divide is as much a divide between the south and north of England. But a divide between London, it satellite cities and the rest of the home nations. This in my humble (and dumb) opinion is less to do with national government investment or indeed regional and more with private investment.

[@alexanders-k5389]

also wasn't there already a vote back in the early 2000's for a devolved region

[@alexanders-k5389]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_North_East_England_devolution_referendum

[@Epicrandomness1111]

This, the entire country has been in decline for a decade +, to act like the South is prospering in any real sense is absurd, the most impoverished town in the country is in Essex, these problems are British, let alone English, and certainly not just Northern.

[@hannahdyson7129]

Its not London. When Manchester was having problems with the Government it wasn't people from London ringing up and being snide and taking the government's side and telling us just to strave . It was the people from Essex Surrey and so on Its the Home Counties that are the problem . Not London.

[@alexanders-k5389]

@@hannahdyson7129 it's the usual regionism that denote modern politics in Europe. Why should our taxes go to andalusia says catalonia. People do not have the time or energy to care, and if it increases their taxes too, then it goes form a externality to a hindrance.

[@catherinebutler4819]

Plaid Cymru isn't really 'new' - it was founded in 1925.

[@SRosenberg203]

I mean, that's still relatively new considering the fact that Wales was subjugated by the English in 1283.

[@johnthefishermanjohnhoyle5763]

And liked the Nazi's

[@willek1335]

As a Norwegian, interesting. 🤔

[@Blody1337]

Ready the longboats, time to raid and pillage. Reject Modernity return to Norse.

[@liammeech3702]

So that means their World Cup football team would unironically be called: North FC

[@fineichangeditagain5675]

Luv me pub Luv me missus Luv Nugubu

[@user-dj2dc6pi4l]

"Cor be rasic if non of em isralmers eint ere" -daz

[@righteousindecision2778]

I bought a boar hoodie, and it's surprisingly comfortable. Happy to support in-depth content too.

[@Jon-yy9qs]

Great video, Herbert. Could you make a video about Norse settlement on England's west coast? It is so often overlooked, but there is a plethora of Norse place names across the Sefton coast, Wirral and Cumbria. Some interesting characters involved like Ingimundr the war chief that fled Dublin, and treasure - the Cuerdale hoard. West Lancs and Wirral men have a high proportion of Norwegian DNA on their Y chromosomes, could be a great topic to discuss. Thanks.

[@roykerrr]

ngl pretty stoked to have found out you're studying in Cambridge, hope to catch you at the pub one day lad

[@happydog3422]

You've circled the whole of Lancashire and called it Greater Manchester 🤤

[@helencoates3624]

I think they've got the counties all wrong anyway.... Lancashire will soon join Westmoreland in existing only in the hearts of its' inhabitants...

[@chrisgibson5267]

@@helencoates3624 An interesting point. I have known folk from Greater Manchester and Merseyside who stated that they still regarded themselves as Lancastrians ( One of them flies the County Flag next to their Cross of St George ). I've never met anyone from Lancashire who voiced the same sentiment about those new "counties " created by politicians from Lancashire. Do they even have a cricket team?

[@Oscar_Little]

Nobody I know actually from around here in Northumberland want this. All the representatives and Twitter lads seem to be from Manchester/Liverpool and LARP being "Northern not English" it's quite ridiculous.

[@trn0m961]

It's a joke party, but to be fair joke parties can get pretty decent votes and can have an impact

[@JammieJohnny1]

What are you on about mate Phillip Proud foot is from Durham. I'm from Newcastle and lived in Northumberland for most of my life and I want this to happen, have done for years.

[@foundationofBritain]

@@JammieJohnny1 And I'm from Cheshire, born and bred, and by GOD will I lay down my life to keep England united and Britain united.

[@matthewharold5897]

Well you can add me to the list of those in favour. I'm Northumbrian through and through, and I'd rather the NIP than any other party at this rate because they seem to actually acknowledge our existence. It's not like a Starmer government would, and we can safely say a Tory one wouldn't care even if they did know about us. Bring on Northumbria!

[@mikesaunders4775]

A strong Irish-Catholic element at work here . As in the SNP.

[@fishy3288]

I’m from north and it’s just a dumb idea

[@independentandfree6466]

So was Brexit.

[@enthusiastisch1922]

Agreed.

[@PatSen]

Hi Hilbert, Fascinating episode! I was absolutely riveted. Two points: 1. I had read in a Bill Bryson book that Edinburgh has the highest number of Masters and Doctorate per capita in the world. So does that also mean that students don’t rely much on Oxbridge, instead study in the local unis? 2. On the point of lower AAA in North, perhaps there’s a way to compare the quality of a random AAA population from the southern region marked in your map with the same from the Northern portion in your map. That may indicate that it’s more difficult to get AAA in the north and that the standards are higher there. Hence all the more reason to take umbrage at this step-motherly treatment. Cheers! Pat

[@jacobsgranddaughter]

❤️⭐️Very interesting and informative!

[@cassius092]

Pronunciations on point my friend 👏

[@bryan2439]

Imagine telling an Englishman that his English is good

[@cassius092]

@@bryan2439 imagine not realising Plaid Cymru isn't English

[@bryan2439]

@@cassius092 Imagine falling for my joke

[@cassius092]

@@bryan2439 your joke was absolutely shite

[@cassius092]

@@bryan2439 literally sat here wondering why you even bothered yourself at all with your comments

[@Lord_Of_Aether]

Northumbria: Reject Tea, Embrace Oil

[@darthguilder1923]

Simple as

[@stevebobmcjocksock4021]

Embrace Pie

[@cyan9596]

Coal

[@ecclesiastes1175]

Embrace Greggs.

[@starrangerstanger6434]

Embrace Yorkshire puddings

[@dankedoge9782]

As a resident of Stockport, greater Manchester, I’m very happy you have covered this

[@AJearth]

I really need to learn more history of the British isles. Thanks for your videos. Any book or source material suggestions?

[@JohnJames-hc3xj]

I am from Manchester, granted we think London and the South East are out of touch with the rest of the country but we're still English. We just want more autonomy

[@independentandfree6466]

Wanting something isn't getting something. What have you done to achieve this fanciful autonomy? Nowt I am guessing. At least NIP are taking things forward.

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@independentandfree6466 they're not taking things forward, they've done fuck except form as a party, they can ask ask South all they want for resources and investment but unless it benefits the south they can only do fuck all

[@artsed08]

@@independentandfree6466 They have a whippet on their logo... Now, tuck your shirt in and get down t'pit.

[@leet5357]

I have read the NIP manifesto. It’s certainly something I could vote for.

[@illiteratethug3305]

Don't speak for Manchester mate, I'm a Manc and these lot have got my vote.

[@neilcrombie4100]

I do feel like federalisation is inevitable in the next 30 years

[@bestrafung2754]

I think it would be good idea. We could have a system similar to the USA, Canada or Russia (well, without the corruption *looks at Putin*).

[@ryeguy7941]

We have corruption here in Canada too.

[@kinggwyn3056]

@@bestrafung2754 >implying USA isn't corrupt

[@richiestyles5143]

@@ryeguy7941 Corruption exists in every county, it's just the degrees that make the difference. Canada isn't that corrupt compared to other countries.

[@hannahdyson7129]

It should but won't happen

[@lordfieldsworth595]

From London, and went to Jesus College Cambridge. Most of my friends were Northern but I'm not sure if that's confirmation bias. But I was surrounded by Northerners so much so that I started to change my pronunciation (which made my northern friends very happy). This is indeed very interesting to learn about. Thanks for the great vid. GDBO

[@borignev9087]

Could you also make a video about the Acting Witan of Mercia? They're much older than NIP, but never really took off. Also, they're much more memeable

[@scoutgamer9448]

Why did the Anglo-Saxons in Britain become Christianized but the Saxon, Frisians and other West and East Continental Germanic people didn't (Until Charlemagne)

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

Because the Anglo-Saxon kings in Britain married Christian Frankish wives who converted them to the Christian belief. Besides, there was the influence of Irish mónks who missionarized in England.

[@mikesaunders4775]

It didn't happen overnight, parts of Sussex and Surrey were still following the Asatru in the ninth century. The north was more Christian than the south in the early days of England's evangelisation.

[@Tarnatos14]

And begcause the Eas/continental germanic people where not so much on the radar of the christian world (or like the Frisians...realy hard isolatet), but Britain as an old roman province was. (and Ireland is not far as you know...)

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

@@Tarnatos14 Anglo-Saxon missionaries proselytized in Frisia in the eighth century. One of them, Winfried (who was born in Northumbria and went later on to Germany where he was ordained archbishop), was slain by the Frisians in 754 when he was on a mission trip in Frisia. Christianization often had the function of a cultural colonialization, so the Frisians rejected it.

[@Tarnatos14]

@@c.norbertneumann4986 Yes and no, in the point of the Frisians they didnt know anything of this 'cultural colonisation', and ofc later on they didnt rejectet it. But your righte christian missonarys could (and didt) came as cultural colonisatior, but more later...in the 9th century the interest was a different one. (But for example in the "great east colonisation" in germany or in the work and wars of the teutonic oder, there was such a thinking. Syr for my bad english)

[@zombies956]

I've been thinking for a while that the UK could be a 4 nation federation with England's capital being york and london being the main UK capital.

[@benjaminphelps561]

why york?

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@benjaminphelps561 Because all though it has never been a capital of England like Winchester, York has been a major city throughout English history that has been a balance against London and the South as a whole. You can even see it in religious terms with the only other traditional Archbishop outside of Canterbury in England being the Archbishop of York.

[@kk-uo2pd]

Wud manchester more sense than york

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@kk-uo2pd On some levels but not on others.

[@zombies956]

@@benjaminphelps561 What Myrddin Emrys said

[@harriwhipp7949]

Really great and informative video with given multiple views on the issue! , my only comment would be that when you gave the populations of both areas as a whole and then the amount of offers went to each region. Wouldn’t it be better to compare the population of year 13 students in each region compared to amount offer offers given?

[@tedbacon1283]

'Ate the queen 'Ate london Simple as

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

Based

[@stevebobmcjocksock4021]

@@flimpeenflarmpoon1353 NIP are socialists who idolise the SNP. Opposite of based, by a mile. Once they're independent, everyone will be legally required to be gender neutral by law.

[@zhumiss7054]

nah,queen probably going to die in least 5 years,she is freaking ancient.

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

@@stevebobmcjocksock4021 wtf I love NIP now

[@tedbacon1283]

@@stevebobmcjocksock4021 that makes them even more based

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Why not? 2021 has been so boring, we need a little something to add energy to this year

[@Game_Hero]

Sure, but Scotland would be better.

[@thedemongodvlogs7671]

Hi dude, i see you a lot on sam aronow vids

[@Owen-vz2xn]

can you do more history videos on northumbria (northern England)

[@Xylospring]

I'd love to see more

[@ferretman6790]

“North south divide” Me, and American: “Hey, I’ve seen this one before!”

[@HaroldWilson67]

Yeh but in this case it’s much more brutal

[@debsy101games]

It’s a classic!

[@ferretman6790]

@@mrevp lol

[@catherinebutler4819]

Look at the comparative spending on arts - there's an equally huge disparity between London and the rest. Also, one of the big selling points of HS2 was to provide the north with better connectivity - so, what's the first thing they do? Build the bit between London and Birmingham... (Living in the non-Cornish southwest here, which is the bit - along with the midlands - that no one talks about in these discussions.)

[@CP-dd8hk]

Subdividing a tiny island further sounds like a genius move.

[@architect11]

I know right lets just go back to the time of the Heptarchy and kill our brothers and sisters, these nationalist movements are vile preaching difference a difference between our people which doesn't exist.

[@mitchverr9330]

@@architect11 Apart from this isnt so much a nationalist movement, its a movement about self rule, theres a fair bit of a difference here. The party openly supports immigration, rejoining the EU iirc, is very socialist in terms of worker rights, NHS protections, government controls on utilities etc. The only "nationalist" part of the NIP is that they have had enough of Southern Tories screwing the North over and over and over. As a phrase goes "freedom to starve is no freedom at all". For a good 50 years now the South has effectively ignored the Northern counties with the thought that paying a life support fund is fine, why should the North just sit and say "thank you" for that? If the South wish to continue to vote for the tory party, thats fine for them if it works it works, why should the North get the shaft because they vote for labour (and yes, the tory party specifically attack labour regions, this has been proven)?

[@gothicgolem2947]

it sure dosnt feel tiny to me

[@architect11]

@@mitchverr9330 I despise the tories. If I remember correctly the Red wall collapsed and fell to the tories. Dividing the UK into the south and north is unhelpful. I am from the south, from Portsmouth and we are just as poverty struck as cities in the North. We have been active in the defence of socialism Portsmouth south specifically has put labour in charge. Everywhere in the UK is being shafted by the tories the tories are friends only to the rich as I know you understand. We have to bend together and defeat them we cannot let them win by cutting our country apart.

[@mitchverr9330]

@@architect11 It really didnt, people keep saying that but it wasnt as much of a thing as claimed. If you count it up, the North 3 regions still voted majority against tory by 22 seats (including 1 lib dem 1 speaker), the big shift came from the midlands IIRC. 49.1% of labour seats came from the North 3 regions, while its population is 27.7% of England. The funny thing is, that change in the North gave the tories enough power to solidify itself, what does that say about the rest of Englands voting habit? While Porthsmouth is doing its best to try and expand labour, I am sorry to say the region is overwhelmingly voting tory over and over. Sad to say but the southern regions of England have voted tory so overwhelmingly (IE since pre WW2) for so long, tories have a blank base that greenlight them to do anything they want and are near impossible to overcome, especially with the new rules being pushed forward which would solidify tory election chances (ie new border rules and "ID voting" crap).

[@BlackTeethMedia]

It's almost like if the UK decided to go down a Federation road it would be better for everyone. People feel like Westminster thinks the UK is only of the South of England

[@helencoates3624]

Not just Westminster... the weatherman too, only for them Westminster and Broadcasting House are the only ones whose weather matters. Lest we forget... in the depression of the 1980s, London 'found' the North and bought it all up, charged (slightly) lower rents, pricing locals out and making a wasteland of shoe shops and hairdressers of our town centres, now even they can't afford the rents, the properties are in disrepair and they have the cheek to say we're lazy, thick and beyond education....

[@ScotiaPreasent]

Luck from the Scots for the future of Northumbria!

[@bananaskinnedcow6064]

As a essex man who lives in liverpool, i hope the north becomes independent.

[@TheBeardMachine]

I saw your comment on Reidys video and I was hoping you would make a video on this.

[@veryblocky]

Hey, I’m also someone from Northumberland who studies at Cambridge. Which college are you at?

[@historywithhilbert146]

St Catz!

[@historywithhilbert146]

Big Frisian flag in me window 😉

[@matpk]

@@historywithhilbert146 Scotland England border should move south to River Tees River Kent.

[@MotoHikes]

Me, who is from Loughborough and is always being told i'm not Northern or Southern by each respective party: *visible confusion*

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The midlands don't exist, that's just a trick by the [north/south] to steal our rightful land.

[@Xylospring]

It's time... *ASSERT MERCIA.*

[@rhysrowlands1818]

Great vid! But Plaid Cymru aren't new, they've been around for quite some time now :)

[@thehaus6998]

Hey Hilbert,take my like and can you pls do some middle east history perhaps history of judaisem ?

[@eror5341]

This really made me wanna play CK3

[@Boykofan]

Really hard to beat jorvik and the great heathen army in ck3 as Northumbria.

[@eror5341]

@@Boykofan ikr

[@moesaqib8349]

You missed out House Prices (the famous North/South divide), which leads to Bank of England Interest Rates changing primarily based upon house prices from the South of England.

[@fastfreddy19641]

Great video. I have never heard of the nip and I'm from Seaton Carew.

[@TheArmouredGamer]

3:14 "One of these areas was greater manchester" Lancastrians and Scousers: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@roonilwazlib3089]

As a Geordie... yes, they are 🤣✌🏻

[@AO00720]

Being from somAliland, i have a soft spot for all independence movements all around the globe.

[@camilled3226]

same ! from quebec here!

[@Veriox22]

And what if a region declared independence from somaliland??

[@Veriox22]

@R It doesn't really matter. If someone brainwashes the inhabitants of a random somaliland region then with enough effort he can convince them to secede.

[@Veriox22]

@R It doesn't really matter. If someone brainwashes the inhabitants of a random somaliland region then with enough effort he can convince them to secede.

[@AO00720]

@@Veriox22 trust me i will grant them a referendum. Like i said i have a soft spot for independence movements.

[@mainstay.]

I think it's a great idea. A place with most of the shipping of the UK and a huge regeneration of it's manufacturing ( being that it was the manufacturing center of the UK for decades upon decades) would see it, 'Northumbria' suddenly become prosperous - instead of the 2000 year old 'tradition' of sending it's wealth South.

[@Falkriim]

Very interesting, as a Northerner I’m surprised I hadn’t heard of this

[@papaquonis]

Let the Vikings take over instead. It's time to bring back the Danelaw!

[@thebronywiking]

Nu åker vi över och ställer saker till rätta!

[@nevreiha]

have the scandis get us back, by the looks of one of these replies someone sees sweden as a good candidate though I think it would be more interesting to be invaded by malaysia

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@thebronywiking is that Norwegian or Danish? or Swedish ? lol I always get them languages mixed up

[@thebronywiking]

@@michaelhawkins7389 Swedish. Some things where our languages differ: In swedish we use ö while in the others ø. We write ck instead of kk. We use the letters k, p, and t more often while the danes use b, g, and d. We write "and" like och while the others write og.

[@thebronywiking]

One classic example to see the differences and similarities between danish, swedish and norwegian is to write the sentence "Food and beverage". Swedish: Mat och dricka. Norwegian: Mat og drikke. Danish: Mad og drikke.

[@TomReisable]

Wait, why am I only now realsing you are a Northener?? I always thought you were Dutch!

[@DiMacky24]

Huh, I thought he was Frisian.

[@aadpiraat7126]

His mum is

[@user-mk3rw8lf8m]

@@DiMacky24 frisia is a province of the Netherlands

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

Lots of countries have a north!

[@michaelhawkins7389]

His parents are Dutch but he was born in England but has ties to Holland ( or Netherlands) He grow up speaking Dutch with his family. I think he said he has some friends and other family members that Live in the Netherlands

[@jtmcgee]

18:00 love the clogs. are those the yeeze ones?

[@jamesmcmurrough3811]

I saw you comment on a video by Reidy earlier in the week which was also a good video

[@wednesdaynightbusiness6296]

Plaid Cymru is not new, it's been around since I think around the 1920s

[@solfennell8981]

I don't want independence but I definitely think we should have our own parliment like that of Scotland. I think voting NIP is the best chance of getting that.

[@kubrikansis7289]

As a geordie I’d prefer more local governance than an entirely independent state.

[@independentandfree6466]

As a Geordie, it is challenging to think of yourself as English because the English brand is so despised for its history and so ridiculous right now. The tories have made us a laughing stock across the world and half its people look weak and easily manipulated. Northerners voting against their best interests has demonstrated that. I say take back control and get some integrity back into your lives.

[@lemonade_011]

@@independentandfree6466 I Liteeally agree , am a Geordie and just want owa on government. Or a complete independent state.

[@-GeordieDan-]

First point of action would be, bring back the brewing of Brown Ale to the Toon!

[@JensontheBasterd]

despised for our history by losers, who cares? people that live on poo streets hate us? oh no wow im so deeply hurt... are you even being serious hahaha if they speak english its already over for them "we hate the english" in english? its stupid no?

[@user-ir1lu1ei4n]

@@independentandfree6466 your English

[@willw613]

Please do one on Kernow next

[@cerijohnphillips]

"New" Plaid Cymru party? Founded in 1925.

[@Ed-wk9ng]

I know that it's not very common knowledge so I don't blame you, but the isle of man isn't in the UK, but is on your UK map. I love your videos though, keep it up!

[@caldoesstuff7290]

Glad to have the Mebyon Kernow party mentioned.

[@spuggym8986]

Would be interested to see you do a video on Hallamashire, an area that is basically just the modern city of Sheffield, which has always been in Yorkshire but has the name Hallamashire, so it's a confusing entity

[@Catman2123]

The Brits literally fought a war for the Falklands and you’re asking me if they’re going to let Northumbria go?

[@ksanbahlyngwa1998]

Point

[@independentandfree6466]

That was Thatcher's vanity project when the Tories were low in the polls.

[@matpk]

@Joshua Simpson Scotland England border should move south to River Tees River Kent.

[@netvideotv5347]

The UK government would rather have the UK break apart before they give power to local governments

[@ActiveParadox]

I noticed that in your intro you didn't mention Northern Irish independence, or reunification depending on your point of view, along side the independence movements else where in the UK. Is there a reason for this? Good video BTW.

[@castrange]

I must say I did not know you havd an indipendance movment. When we hear about Northern Ierland coming out of they UK We get told it is to unite the island of Ireland. I am a yorkshire man we tent to be an indipendent and proud people lmao

[@Reece_Hart]

I say we start a petition for Hilbert be crowned King of the North?

[@patrickohooliganpl]

The King _in_ the North!

[@tommogamer8546]

I'm from Hartlepool and you couldn't pay me all the money in the world to vote for this I'm a proud Englishman and Brit, what our country (UK in general not just England) needs more than anything is unity not division and Certainly not of the socialist variety.

[@BigBroTejano]

Is the NIP also full of socialists like the SNP?

[@tommogamer8546]

@@BigBroTejano it says in the video they are "democratic" socialists.

[@hannahdyson7129]

The right don't want unity . They want us divided. The right hates the North

[@animatechap1275]

I would hate to see our friends from the north leave :( (PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US MIDLANDERS STUCK WITH JUST THE SOUTH) I agree a lot needs to be done to give the north the support, representation and recognition it deserves. These outdated and ill-informed tropes that northerners sound funny or are uneducated are very harmful and it saddens me that people are affected by this. I would love to see these issues resolved without the need to draw even more borders through the lovely English countryside

[@spacelemming4493]

if they go might as well just bring back Mecria for us Midlander's

[@matthewharold5897]

@@spacelemming4493 There is literally a Mercian Movement lol. It's not massive, but there's a few organisations to that affect. They tend to align with the NIP on a good few things.

[@philipbrookes1078]

Join us it will be peng ;)

[@joesmith8701]

i am from london moved to the north and moved back with famly in london cos of lockdown they say its grim up north but its not were i was there was loads and loads of work ppl were frendly and it was a lot safer and ppl spoke english lol the stero type of the north being a dump is just not true i would like to say invest in the north but they would have to be carefull as i dont want to see the north run in to the same problems as london has u know its £200 pw to rent a room in a house down ere

[@davidbothwell9669]

henry percy was the knight that surprise charged robert the bruce before bannockburn when he was unarmoured riding his light horse, he then proceeded to snap his axe through percys helmet splitting him head to shoulder

[@Leenufc]

Harry hotspur

[@Slapnuts9627]

I'm an American with tons of immigrant ancestors from the north of England, and watching this unfold from a distance, I have to say is really fun. My family came from a small sheep village in County Durham.

[@beasley1232]

Meanwhile: China and US tensions are growing and are ready to go to war 😳

[@Slapnuts9627]

@@beasley1232 Eh not really, we just like to take the piss out of each other really

[@TechnoForever21]

@@beasley1232 Change US with Canada and you got that first part right, second is slowly becoming right too...

[@Slapnuts9627]

@@TechnoForever21 I'm American but I would die for Canada. No cap.

[@TechnoForever21]

@@Slapnuts9627 very honourable of you!!