Should the Springboks have won THAT scrum penalty? | Whistle Watch

[@CarAddictUK]

England fan here, just want to congratulate the Boks on their back-to-back finals. They dug in deep and fought till the end. Fair play lads 👏👏👏

[@swannwillow9476]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@GTrotters-d8j]

Fair play ❤❤❤

[@jeffreybrown1560]

There are true English rugby fans👏

[@destyvandermerwe8722]

An Englishman who actually gives credit where it's due.

[@georgefrederikoosthuizen891]

Thanx mate preciate🤗

[@jameswyatt4443]

Love the Heinrich Brussow respect. Best jackler ever, was unlucky that Jake White didn’t believe in that style of player. But he was immense under Pieter de Villiers.

[@randomizedrandomly]

We have a few undesized opnesides here in NZ in grassroots and academy level and alot of them really find players like Heinrich as an inspiration and a reminder that it's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog..

[@bradrockl8330]

Heinike Meyer ruined Brussow's springbok career

[@roryeliot5361]

I'm sorry, regarding the tackler in the PSD penalty, Mostert moves away in less than a second... should he rather have vanished? 😂

[@dallydude7]

You can't go for the ball until the tackler has at least released because the tackled player hasn't had a chance to present while he is still held. The laws have an order at the breakdown.

[@martinuspostma5706]

No, PST should have waited for him to roll before going for the jackal.

[@kurtsudheim825]

He is also tackled himself by an English player, sorry of, you can't phase through people, that would make the game invalid

[@kurtsudheim825]

Bit the issue is pst goes for the ball before Misterton has let go, it's not about actual time of how quick he moved away, but order of events

[@davehoffs]

pretty sure PSD right hand is on the floor before he goes for the ball as well.@@kurtsudheim825

[@charlesevison8453]

Glad to see the power of Heinrich Brussow recognised. The only player I have seen boss Richie McCaw around the park. He was criminally underrated in SA.

[@myshepspud1]

Too true! Almost didn't make it into the against Lions team 09, and almost single handedly with Frans Steyn the reason we won the Trinations that year as well including a double against the All Blacks.

[@yeahnahnah5750]

He is the reason they brought in the rule for releasing after the tackle before the steal. the man is the og fetcher.

[@KarateGucci]

Such a waste how he was left out for ages, and then when he got a chance proofed why he should have been there long time ago and then they dropped him again ...eich, the ultimate Bull Terrier ...

[@reinhardtbezuidenhout1242]

He really was, and just when he started to be recognised, world rugby changed the rules to take his technique out of play.😢

[@tobyhart]

​@@KarateGucciproved

[@nedludd8633]

Its really great to have Nigel Owens explaining rules and decisions . First time I have heard an explanation of what's going on in a scrum . Very helpful Thankyou !

[@hen3vz]

2:50, I don't get it the tackler (number 5 green) moved away within 1 second, could not have done it any quicker, so that doesn't seem like a valid reason.

[@kerrynisbet1514]

The jackler had to wait until the tackler had moved out of the way. The tackler was clearly affecting the clean out so pretty straight forward decision.

[@jameswyatt4443]

@@kerrynisbet1514If that’s the case, then every single tackler should be penalised for not rolling away.

[@Rustie_za]

@@belsonkeating5562 spot on

[@Rustie_za]

@@kerrynisbet1514 yea no that is BS. He explain the last penalty is up to ref interpretation. The PSDT penalty is more open to ref interpretation.

[@kerrynisbet1514]

@@jameswyatt4443 re read what I wrote.

[@langdalepaul]

Rugby has a real problem with laws that are so often 50:50 calls but that lead to penalties that are often in game-changing situations. As Nigel pointed out, in the Argentina v NZ question, scrum penalties are a common example, but it’s also a problem in rucks around not releasing the ball, or the tackler not releasing or rolling away, or the jackaller not holding his weight. So many close decisions are required by the referee, but the outcomes are incredibly significant. If rugby doesn’t somehow solve these problems, I think fans will eventually get turned off. What’s the point of supporting your team if whether they win or lose is ultimately decided by the referee?

[@typhoon2827]

That's exactly why I'm out.

[@ruanniemann2604]

​@@typhoon2827😂 and yet, here you are.

[@Finderskeepers.]

A number of friends have lost interest for this very reason especially with rules around the scrum. They cite to many and too complex.

[@Pipin17]

This World Cup has really highlighted the problem you refer too. The game has become a raffle with so much open to interpretation depending what view you have of the situation and few ( if any ) referees capable of the ability to react in real time to the situation .You really need a 360 degree view of most situations ,hence the TMO coming into it, which is slowing the game down and reducing the spectacle. Then you have the problem of off side play which after watching the quarters /semis and final live is a joke , as refs attention is on the ball and the breakdown- they are receiving no help at all from touch judges and off side play was rampant. It is too hard to take the game seriously now and this will be my last World Cup. The booze situation at Stade de France was also bad , not helped by the late 9pm starts and distance to the ground meaning most spectators were there early with nothing to do but drink. Stadiums need to shut the bars when the game starts - as I said to one drunk person who was going for more drinks with 15 mins to go in the French quarter final - just go to a bar and watch the game. Why ruin the spectacle for everyone else who have paid a lot of money to get there ? The final was no better with beer flying in all directions- Bok and NZ fans were coming up the steps 4 beers at a time and losing most of it on the ground or on other spectators - they were so drunk.

[@arandombard1197]

Just remove penalties from scrums altogether. Too often you see the ball go in and then as a viewer I just can't see what was wrong the scrum but apparently one side gets some free points. It's too disconnected and arbitrary. If the ball doesn't come out properly from the scrum or the offending side gets the ball, then just give the 'winner' an uncontested ruck and get on with the game. Otherwise just let it play out.

[@gerhardmeyer6734]

How fast do you want Mostert to roll away, he was quick and back toward Boks

[@kerrynisbet1514]

He also got in the way of the cleaner. The jackler got his timing slightly wrong, if he had come in after Mostert had moved, he wouldn't have got penalised.

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Correct, the law states that you role away if you trapped then you are to slow to role away. This does not however apply to keeping/ pulling someone into the ruck . Good call

[@theshortgolfer8687]

Mostert moved immediately and Earl enters from the side ...

[@hvlyvoice9127]

Bad call. This situation is the one in the game that still has the most grey area in it. But in near' every situation the tackler is trying his best to roll away: why wouldn't he when the ref's looking right there - and he still gets 'ping'ed. In this situation Mostert is obviously going to roll that way, the England cleaner is late. He takes the most direct route to the breakdown, fair enough. But he wasn't a yard closer to prevent the jackel. It won't be long before late cleaners will mainly look for someone to trip on who is rolling away. Anyway we can't carry on with a situation where players are doing their best to be not penalized, but are anyway. It should be 50/50.

[@kurtsudheim825]

He's tackled by an England player as well. Bit I think issue was he hadn't let go of player before psd went for the ball

[@joshfoster8632]

Having a phenomenal ref like Mr Owens, break down all the calls of the week is a great development in the game. Great for transparency from RWC. This also helps the refs help the fans understand the wonderful job they do with split second decision making. Please make this a regular thing in Rugby you cannot underestimate the good it does for the glorious game.

[@Kombo-Chapfika]

Women are in love with the English rugby team. No one else can be on top for 77 minutes and still come second.

[@boermetroer1714]

Such an underrated comment 😂

[@excusablehoneybee4599]

@@boermetroer1714 It's a meme

[@okbutthenagain.9402]

Seriously how many times is that lame joke going to be repeated. Any new jokes? Thought not!

[@deeza85za]

@@okbutthenagain.9402are you the fun police?

[@garywagner2466]

Women don’t like cheaters, though.

[@darrylpeterson7500]

It's been over 2 weeks now since the final and there are a few refereeing/TMO decisions I would like Nigel's clarification on. I'm not counting the red card, under the current rules it's pretty clear why it was given.

[@MarkWhippy]

2:50 how could the tackler have moved away any faster than what he did? He had the English player on his back pushing him down.

[@gopr3117]

Sometimes it’s just back luck. He moved out of the way as quickly as he could but it wasn’t quick enough to avoid disrupting England engaging. It’s not about player intention - it’s about outcome

[@clibo1]

​@@gopr3117agree 👍

[@danielkourie]

Nonsense - the tackler could not have moved away quickly enough

[@braamvantonder5480]

​@@gopr3117by this logic it would never be possible to get turnover ball because it requires the tackler to never make contact with the ball carrier

[@jameswyatt4443]

@@gopr3117If that’s the case, then no tackler has ever rolled away.

[@YallCrazies801]

That last scrum penalty was a correct call to me. I know its possible, but very difficult for a tighthead to drive inwards if both players either side of him are pushing straight. View from above shows both England players pointing inward while only Koch is at an angle (Bongi straight as an arrow). This is what happens when you over-extend and go to your knees in a scrum.

[@yeayou1221]

Also the scrum had already been reset twice. How many times do we need resets before action is taken.

[@MarkTill-vt3ku]

ah yes well yuor understanding is far greater than Nigels

[@nimblegoat]

I've seen elsewhere the knee touched the ground before ball - put in so only a free kick - as can only be penalty after put in - I get the resets is annoying - but Nigel was diplomatic . He did state ref stuffed up ( can't go back to uncalled penalty( really free kick ) ) - if called free kick - then Boks would have gone to scrum again - The angling of OX was severe - Ref wasn't listening to english prop from all other penalties - ox hiding his shoulder - ref saying be stronger in bind - Anyway All Blacks now get the benefit as Ox will be under massive scrutiny by Barnes as a known offender for doing this in UK and other games - he will dial back -like Boks dialed back HIA assessments , interfering in air etc ( in previous years) - both teams are now getting penalties down - Boks had Ben O'keefe for a number of games in a row - that was a big advantage Plus nearly no Ref now calls the knee touching the ground briefly before put in a free kick - as time wasting - same as all those collapse scrums - where ball comes out 3 seconds later - most refs don't call England have plenty of chances - much more attacks in 22 - but mucked up all of them It's easy for Nigel to justify most decisions - eg that jackal - but let's say that was the winning penalty for Boks - Nigel would have said even though there was a tackler on the ground , he was mostly out of way and there was really no English player to clear him off the ball - see easy - To me the jackal was fine - even though Boks and every other team cheat in rucks

[@vdblur925]

@@nimblegoat so it was a penalty

[@nimblegoat]

@@vdblur925 Well the ref said it was - I'm not english - that's why I commentating -as look look like sourgrapes if against my team

[@ryanseddon4800]

What!? he immediately moved out of the way, the only possible way to move out the way any faster would be to not make the tackle at all and then roll away

[@matthewbrown2567]

He wouldn’t have been penalised if Peter Steph du Toit hadn’t jacked for the ball. PSDT just had to wait a few extra seconds before the jackal and he would have been rewarded

[@dallydude7]

You can't go for the ball until the tackler has at least released because the tackled player hasn't had a chance to present while he is still held. The laws have an order at the breakdown.

[@myshepspud1]

The irony with Brussow is he wouldn't have even played if Schalk Burger didn't get injured/banned. I remember clear as day it was 09 Lions Series. At that time SA didn't believe in "small" flankers. Kolbe and Arendse would've never have made the team. And they didn't believe in fetchers either. But Brussow with his ruck wins contributed hugely to our Lions series win as well as our Trinations win (beating NZ twice that year).

[@BigMacDaddy]

A bit after his tenure as SA's coach, but it was around this time that Jake White famously remarked that the only "fetcher" he wanted in his team was one that "fetched him a beer from the fridge" 😂😂

[@BigOsingapore]

Nigel still waiting for your roundup of the final! Cmon boyo!

[@thinuspotgieter4214]

Why was Farrell not sighted by the TMO when he lifted his knee and prevented a decent pass on SA attack?

[@meta4282]

Because it's England

[@davidallardice1657]

or Itoje making a tackling while on the ground

[@giuseppe2395]

Have been waiting for full clarity on that scrum; 3:30 should anyone just want to see this incident. Thanks Nigel Owens

[@Kochie1985]

What about the Farrel that played the ball on his back with his knees against the Boks? Should that not have been a yellow card? Great recognition of Brussow though

[@jeremydasneves6037]

Nigel I disagree regarding the PSDT penalty. The tackler moved away quickly, very quickly, it looked like the ball carrier and tackler still had momentum from the tackle when the first England player came to clean so he couldn't move any faster. This is a bit of a weak explanation.

[@georgefrederikoosthuizen891]

There happened many same stuff its up to referee deside thatswhy its silly laws from wr"nh".....they ruen rugby...i agree with u 100%

[@everythingelsesport2000]

I agree with Nigel, tackler was still in contact with ball carrier when PSDT went in. He should've waited until the tackler is clear to go in for jackler, just got his timing slightly wrong.

[@DomanaxTV]

​@@everythingelsesport2000you don't understand the rule. Of course you can jackle while the tackler is still there??? Making up nonsense. It was a shocking call.

[@jeremydasneves6037]

@everythingelsesport2000 if PSDT must wait he won't be the first one there. The cleaner didn't wait for the tackler to roll away so why must the jackler wait?

[@allanhutton1123]

2:50 not sure about this as to me it looks like the clear out is coming from the side rather than over the player. Not sure no. 5 did anything wrong as he is moving out immediately.

[@frikki6000]

Why don't they talk about Owen farrel laying on his back an kicking the ball out of the hands of the scrumhalf

[@Justin-gm2fi]

Because he's untouchable, uncle Bill has him covered

[@paulap142]

oh easy one,pretened not to see it!

[@johnjungkook2721]

oh, easy. Be a racist eurocentrist

[@davidadshade2927]

With PSdT, Mostert wasn't penalized and that wasn't O'Keefe's call. He penalized du Toit for not lifting the ball. Understand you may have called it differently.

[@jggoldie5087]

Yeah you can clearly hear the ref say there was 'No lift' of the ball in the attempted steal, so you Nigel got this one wrong.

[@tombarnes1251]

think in the game when he actually blew it he then signalled for not rolling away, may have changed his mind idk

[@naughtiusmaximus5057]

Well now I've seen Nigels' opinion, I can accept it 😁 Seriously though while England were maybe the better team for most of that game, it's hard to say they deserved the win. Those needless penalties were one thing - not forgetting that the boks could have put two penalties over before Pollard came on, but chose to go for the corner - but I knew we'd lost it when Marler came off.

[@ujjustkidding]

South Africa is taking it 🇿🇦

[@leenewman1463]

Loves these informational insights that Nigel gives

[@TheOneDono]

The boot wasn't thrown away, it was thrown OUT of the way. Big difference.

[@RareMaestro]

Jip, if anything it protected the players from breaking an ankle. If he had done that after play had stopped then yes, 100% terrible conduct and should be penalized

[@lojolondon3531]

Owen, look back at 2:52. VERY hard to release a tackled player faster than was the case. With respect, I disagree with your interpretation here, I believe PSDT leaned briefly on his right hand while pulling the ball with the left, that I believe was the reason for the penalty. (harsh but fair)

[@xDontStandInTheFirex]

Heinrich Brussouw. Legend in the game of Rugby, wonder where he is now.

[@Rustie_za]

Retired from rugby due to injury in 2019.

[@Justin-gm2fi]

Heard he lives in George now, but not sure how true that is

[@dgs4184]

Adding some more info to the scrum. Once Genge goes to the knees, his hips swing out to re-engage and compete. Then he scrums in and because he is on the loose head side, it forces more for Koch to be pushed inward. Penalty is the correct call.

[@iangraham871]

So is your interpretation that Genge dropping to his knee momentarily gave him an unfair advantage in allowing him to reset (i.e. a penalty no matter what happened next with regard to the direction of the drive)? Does the Law say that the knee must not touch the ground at any time? Thanks

[@dgs4184]

@@iangraham871 the law states that players in the scrum must have both feet in the ground, with their weight firmly on at least 1 foot. At the same time falling or kneeling is sanctioned with a penalty. So technically the moment his knee hits the ground it should be blown. the intention behind him dropping down was not to gain an advantage. Or at least it didnt look like it. It seemed more caused by the pressure of the engagement. But with that motion of dropping down and coming back up, his hips were positioned inward and no longer straight. The other law was then broken of not staying square and pushing forward. Seems in real time like the ref was willing to let the knee go if Genge had stayed square and scrummed straight. But then he pushed inward and at that point the penalty was awarded.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@iangraham871 Yes the law states that. And it worked to your benefit tonight because would you believe it, your winning penalty was awarded when the Argentinian prop put a knee on the ground..... Didn't hear your commentators on ITV say anything about that other than agreement with the decision. I don't remember WR saying the laws were changing for this week....

[@Roddy1965]

I'm pretty new to rugby, and I love it. But, man, it's really hard to catch or understand many of the penalties etc that happen so quickly, and the rules seem so intricate, and even on a lot of replays, I just can see it without annotations on the video. The referees must be extremely quick with their eyes and their decisions. Incredibly tough job. Hats off to them.

[@FeedThemCake]

Ok I'm a peanut-brain, but: "The South African tackler (at 2:49 ) has not moved out of the way?" Franco Mostert, I take it? How could he have moved out of the way any quicker than he did!? He was back on the green side within a second or two.

[@edmondmurphy]

Peter Steph has his right hand on the ground supporting himself, defo penalty for that alone.

[@ryannorwood-young189]

Nigel is a gem.

[@BigOsingapore]

Nigel are you allowed to provide an honest assessment of refereeing (especially TMO impact) of the final? Its now Thursday, its been plenty of time!

[@trevorryan4448]

Can't wait to hear Owen's analysis of the refereeing in the final.....

[@skek007]

They’re not going to do one bro… coz they’re cowards

[@kevinmould6979]

Felt slightly aggrieved with that scrum penalty when earlier in the game several SA players in the scrum put a knee down, the commentator even complimented them on being strong enough to get back up and keep the scrum going.

[@taity100]

Regarding S.A. v Eng scrum pen. It’s hard to disagree with your breakdown of it. But O’Keefe didn’t call it like that. He ignored the knee. Then called Advantage when the scrum moved sideways at pace. Him calling advantage must have meant no S.A. infringement. Or he would have blown for the original pen once he saw the infringement. Like you said, half the issue with scrums are it’s super intricate and subjective. Really hard for a casual viewer to get invested. In all honesty, a lot of the time Refs don’t know what’s going on. They see a scrum going forward and penalise against the other team.

[@bigbird6039]

I was so impressed how much we improved throughout this competition🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Well done Springboks hopefully we’ll get you next time. All the best in the final👍👍

[@emeraldemerald6459]

Thank you. ❤

[@noluvuyosomlota261]

Thank you 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙌

[@bigbird6039]

@@noluvuyosomlota261 Well done, I hope you had a great evening 🍺🍸🇿🇦

[@bigbird6039]

@@emeraldemerald6459 Well done 👍🍺🍸🍺🇿🇦

[@noluvuyosomlota261]

@@bigbird6039 i did not sleep at all, the excitement was too much. I had to celebrate ❤️

[@ThatGuy-sw2xe]

No mention of Itoje making a crucial tackle while he was lying on the ground? Worse then the Farrel leg-lift for me.

[@The-0189]

Knee on the ground is an automatic penalty. O'Keefe should have blown for it earlier . Either way, it was a penalty to SA.

[@charlie-j4o7u]

OKeefes a con

[@Bobbydyland]

And indeed he did on the first penalty of the game. Against SA. I suspect that due to the stakes of the game, and the time on the clock, O'Keeffe was trying to let the scrum recover. Ironically O'Keeffe was probably being favorable to England, but it's the England fans baying for his blood.

[@k11vin]

Yes agreed, he let it too long, only blew maybe 10sec after the knee drop.

[@jackcunningham3401]

Ball still in Scrum halves hands. Why oh Why does no one understand Scrums!

[@Cheeeesseee3678]

England fans have not been 'baying for his blood'🙄🙄 Sure there's been a few pricks, but there always is. Unlike SA online fan contingent which appears to be 100% made up of fantasist conspiracy pricks 🤷🙂

[@fluff1991]

need this for the RWC final asap. skip the politics, just release the video. you know what bits need challenging.

[@WealthlyMind]

When will it comebout

[@Geezweez788]

The ref didn't penalize the tackler(Mostert) for not rolling, it seems he wanted Pieter steph to lift the ball off the ground and not hold it down. He even shouts "no lift"

[@Karma-qt4ji]

That's my take too. There is a universal signal for 'not rolling' and he never gave that either.

[@nikolakozhuharov1042]

PSDT's right hand is on the ground, obviously used to support his weight - how is that a legal position? Same with Kwagga in the QF.

[@MarkPalmer-c8c]

Question: In the last scrum of England v SA.. surely not having the ball put in the scrum has an impact on the decision?

[@hargs]

I was also surprised Nigel didnt mention that.

[@685_Era]

Would love to see your take on NZ vs Springbok final

[@tokolohomokoena7882]

Heinrich Brussow is LEGENDARY!! The daylight rule really killed his game play

[@averagebedroomproducer5008]

Steph Du Toy = is how you say it :) The t at the end is silent

[@docsimo412]

I love you, mate, but please show me how that tackler never rolled away. Show me a player that was impeded by that tackler...nobody was there to be impeded by the tackler. You are wrong.

[@Mrcloc]

Heinrich Brussow was amazing and very strong. Should have mentioned how Scott Barrett got a yellow but Farrell didn't for the exact same offence.

[@malcolmbriggs4281]

I played scum half 50 years ago ,I had to put the ball in straight . Why are they not penalised now.The ball does not go near the "hooker".

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

Can you imagine if Boxing and MMA did this with referees analysing calls, it would expose the corruption but Rugby seems to be more transparent than any other sport I've ever loved.

[@hbpw857]

I think it will be something we will see in the future for sure but a referee decision to stop a fight could save life’s

[@Sapper127]

How often is a player penalised for not rolling away when he is prevented from doing so by an opposing player blocking his exit?

[@jeremydasneves6037]

Heinrich Brussouw was a great and very strong player. Good memory there Nigel.

[@iancameron7292]

When are you planning to whistle watch the final?

[@skek007]

They’re not bro… coz they’re cowards

[@jadenphilander8799]

​@@skek007Bro..Springboks won that fair and square...Springboks bead to head have been better than the ABs since 2019 World cup win.

[@hennieboshoff8109]

Why dont you pick up the part were the boks are in England 15 one of england players behind the maul on the ground and as soon as SA pick the ball up he lift his knee, to me that should have being a yellow card.

[@jtmz87]

That was Owen Farrell and that would’ve been end of the game for England. I rewatched the game, it was so blatant.

[@Dontbelieve.thehype]

Okeefe was hoping the knee on the ground wouldn’t have an effect on the scrum so he didn’t have to call a penalty. The boot thrown away lol , one minute it’s a tough call when a knee goes to ground, to call a penalty. But throwing a boot 5 metres is a penalty

[@termanati]

O'Keefe tried to not penalise England 3 times on that scrum (2 resets) he didn't penalise the knee down immediately because he didn't want to have to do it. As soon as BOTH props bore un, he goes back to the first (and now actual third) infringement.

[@Silvius.2]

Thanks Nigel Owens for all giving to rugby. And your videos at this world cup.

[@sheetbeetch]

Can we have Nigel doing a regular food segment, please? That crepe looked amazing.

[@willanvanzyl1669]

How about considering the next scenario when RG Snyman tossed Courtney's boot to the side.... Snyman made the tackle and in the act he got up with CL's boot in his hand. If he dropped it right there, the stray boot could've been in the way of play. He lobbed it some 5 yards away and it didn't quite look malicious. I think had he aimed to be unsportsmanlike, he could easily have thrown it into the crowd? Then CL would not have found it... @nigelowens

[@sean.butterworth]

Totally agree. He was just removing a potentially dangerous obstacle from his work area. Imagine if someone had stepped on it and turned an ankle…

[@barnigranero5882]

This World Cup has been excellent. We just need a good final now.

[@zelandakhniteblade5436]

I can understand your not wanting to criticise a current professional too harshly but my honest opinion is that the England-SA game was the single worst referee performance in a top rugby game for a generation. With NZ eventually losing the final, it sadly puts a massive asterisk on the entire RWC result. You are sorely missed in the game, Nigel.

[@braamvantonder5480]

Snyman throws the boot away so it doesn't impinge anyone on the field of play and potentially causes an injury. Sugeesting that this is in any way against the spirit of the game or ungentlemanly is EXTREMELY prejudiced.

[@mlguy8376]

If Owen Farrell did it what would you say?

[@hannesvanheerden6946]

​@@mlguy8376Thank you Owen😊

[@ynwa6282]

Yes..agree

[@braamvantonder5480]

​@@mlguy8376uhh, thanks?

[@maneeshdeva]

Is there going to be a whistle watch after the final? 🙋🏽‍♂️

[@skek007]

They’re not doing one on the final coz they’re cowards. He’s not going to be honest about the bullshit job Barnes did becoz he’s part of the system

[@bg365]

In the Du Toit incident, the tackler clearly rolls away immediately. He also has no impact on the contest for the ball. Wrong decision to penalize him. There was a similar decision against Kolisi, also hard to understand. There was also the decision against Etzebeth, where the last player wasn’t bound. Just a comment on the last scrum, the English loosehead goes to his knee twice, then scrums inward. The referee is clear in his explanation, who’s commentary can be heard as it happens.

[@brettfleiner4906]

Even Willemse had a clear right to the ball and got penalized, there were tons of these opportunities from the Boks but they were not rewarded at all.

[@christophersuckling282]

Think the Tuilagi one is harsh. BO’K said that he “pushed” Reinach first.

[@jamesgardner788]

A question regarding head on head tackles. Does the ball carrier have any responsibility to avoid head to head tackles?

[@BRMCaptChaos]

Brilliant analysis on the scrum Nigel. Thankyou, that makes sense now.

[@andrewdunne9037]

what happened when maro itoje tackled a player on the ground, was it legal?

[@stephenswart5180]

Hard to imagine how Franco could have moved faster out of the way on the tackle…

[@HamishBanish]

When is the point that Nigel Owens drifts into "yesterday's voice"? Evolved laws, coaches ever more tricky, player techniques more artful, and so on. They are all real developments that only contemporary referees handle. For myself, i find myself discounting Owens more and more, underlined by the 2023 World Cup has been the most officiated rugby moment so far. It is just my feeling, but I feel more and more rugby followers lean this way nowadays.

[@hannesbornman1045]

Guess the TMO sweep did not pickup Owen Farrell playing the ball while lying flat on his back. 🤷‍♂️ Interesting how the TMO chooses what they see and what they don't

[@battievandermerwe9121]

Regarding the scrum, the referee had his arm out to indicate advantage to SA when the scrum pressure was applied, and called the advantage as soon as the scrum started moving inwards - the delay before calling the penalty had nothing to do with the "interpretation" but only the application of the rule. Nigel Owens confirmed earlier a player can not participate if he is on the ground, which Genge was. As for the delay, it was SA's ball and it was coming back to Faf de Klerk, in most cases referees allow the game to proceed, to see if the advantaged team could benefit, which did not materialise, therefore the whistle and penalty call. As for the PSdT call, both he, and Ben O'Keefe "interpreted" it incorrectly. Mostert did well to get away so quickly with being impeded by an opponent - luckily that mistake did not affect the result. Ben O'Keefe should be commended for stamping out the shithousery (Tiulagi and Farrell, eventhough Marler got away with some) which the home unions are famous for - by doing this he curtailed the escalation of this and ensured we did not have a situation like there is with every Lions tour. (During the 2009 Lions tour there were a couple of great examples of Brussauw's strength when he sorted the Lions out) I have not seen a game yet where the refereeing was absolutely flawless, but O'Keefe was fair. I don't believe Snyman threw the boot away to be unsportsmanlike, more because it was in the way! It was where play was taking place and it could cause a hinderance, a trip or injury - loose objects lying about unattended on the field of play is like a landmine - you step on it, and you have problems.

[@kevbrown2532]

Good to see England had the best team in the final. Well done to the officiating team, all English.

[@theshortgolfer8687]

Question about the Du Toit/ Mostert penalty. Doesn't the tackler get a certain amount of time to get out of the way. In real time Mostert tackled and tried to jump to the side (so out of the way of the scrumhalf) all in one motion. Secondly; why isn't Ben Earl penalised for entering from the side rather than through the gate where Mitchel was approaching from.

[@johanvanrooyen3100]

Uncle Nigel please could you explain if you look at the South African vs England game at Minute 37:30 why the high tackle on Cheslin Kolbe was not a red card offence? (Dont know all the rules)

[@davelewis7098]

Hello sir just a quick question is it and offence for a flanker to put theirs knees on the ground when the ball is in ?? Many thanks

[@BloodSteyn]

Can't wait for the Whistle Watch of the Final to have the GOAT Owen tell everyone what happened, why it happened and in some cases... what should have happened.

[@roydenwilliams3188]

Doesn't look like it's going to happen. RWC transparency ? Game refereed by TMO.

[@jeffreyroberts7438]

The referee was desperate to get South Africa through, so was always going to give a penalty near the end of such a tight game. You could see it coming!

[@johnjungkook2721]

the referee was bum-licking England for the first half, all those soft penalties. Cheaters never win. You could see their doom incoming!

[@shanewalker2018]

Ref lifted arm immediately when knee went on ground and only blew it a few seconds later. What about England #5 shoulder charging SA #5 in about 15th minute, directly in front of the NZ ref, nothing? crickets?

[@kathybrown8703]

Thank you for that nod towards my AB's Nigel !! Toss of a coin to me. Too close to call. Looking forward to a fantastic game though xx

[@johnwilkinson3880]

South Africa won (Again) with no tries. The kicking is so good maybe it is time to look at points for a try. 8points 10 points. All this pushing for a penalty is not opening up the game. Anyway France v Ireland would have been........

[@acrabb]

7:08 the lady at the cafe absolutely losing it 🤣

[@jayduplessis7698]

It's clear that the South African prop only go inwards because he is pushed from the side by the English prop. And how on Earth was the tackler in the PSDT situation supposed to move away any quicker than he did!? It was instant!

[@Tony605]

Spot on.

[@myshepspud1]

This is where there is so much murkiness when teams play negatively. Last few minutes of the game you ahead by 2 and in danger of conceding? Collapse the scrums. Want a penalty in the rucks? Trap the opposing player in the rucks as they make the tackle. NZ are experts at lying around the ball innocently or sealing an opposing player in in the course of the tackle.

[@halatahicowboyz4318]

Why not recording a video for the final😂😂😂😂

[@Random-cu6sz]

re throwing the boot away, I think it is a safely issue. He just tossed it away from the play, not like he threw it into the crowd or anything, If he just dropped it someone could stand on it and roll an ankle. (eg Glenn Magrath in 2005 ashes)

[@andremeyer863]

What will stepping on a boot do to your ankle?

[@johngowans9406]

Mostert immediately tried to move away but was knocked down by an incoming English player which made it look like he was obstructing. One of those difficult calls.

[@meta4282]

What about that time when Jean De Villiers tackled Daniel Carter when he was running ball in hand. Surely that's a red card.

[@jarednel3671]

Ive tried to time Sous with my stopwatch. He has rolled away about 0.8 seconds after making the tackle before PSDT makes the turnover. That one still has me scratching my head, mate.

[@PrimalPetersen]

I tend to always agree with Nigel, however, the SA tighthead going in is not the second offence, it’s the third. The English Loosehead’s knee hitting the ground (indicating a weak position) is first. The the English loosehead (who is now in a compromised position) burrowing in, is the second offence. The SA tighthead is going in because the loosehead (who is loose, therefore actually able to burrow in), is going that way. The issue with Snyman throwing the boot… this should be praise not criticised. A loose boot on the ground (possible steel studs), is a major safety risk around a ruck. Get it out of there.

[@shaunk6822]

I think the ref also gave the penalty on the balance of pressure. If a prop is making a mistake it's most likely going to be the one from the team who've lost the last few scrums.

[@pierre-3253]

Bok fan here, first for me to watch a simplified breakdown of some of the regulations on field by Nigel. A BIG thank you to Nigel for this, i will admit that i was not a big fan of yours at some point in time, but the fact that you willing to explain regulations and it's intended applications is real nice !, i might be hated for saying this, but i think there is great differences in how these are applied during games, and i think it's one of the biggest reasons of conflict in the sport. During the past RWC there seem to have been great effort put in place to try avoid this, and i do value this. I just HOPE for ongoing effort to be made to promote unbiased decisions during games. Question, could you give us an indication of what happened just before the final whistle during the finals, any wrongs or not ? That banana and choc dish you had, for a moment it sounded like you said "another word" 😂 , in South Africa we call those pancake's, and mostly enjoy those with cinnamon sugar Also, i enjoyed the tourist view you gave of Paris, as i have never had the privilege of getting to experience it !

[@allistairevanwyk9224]

Spot on Nigelspot on. Thank you. 👏

[@infocus-media]

The crepes, I gave my compliments to the waitress for the fantastic chocolate sauce, "Yes" she said a very special sauce she said and walked away just to reappear with a plastic container that read "Nutella", you want some more?

[@stanmarr4488]

1:16 you really want to tell me the ref didn't see that and the TMO had to get involved?.. He was standing 1 meter away from that play. I think he *deliberately* didn't want to act on that,but was forced to...

[@jc238]

Well done Nigel, you let us know Ben O'Keefe was wrong without saying he was wrong. Subtle.

[@alasdairduncan3]

YOU'VE NEVER HAD A CREPE BEFORE?! They're the best. Glad you got to have one

[@TheMatthewLoder]

So how is Farrell’s interference from the floor not a yellow then?? 🤣

[@alanrickett2537]

It was

[@TheMatthewLoder]

@@alanrickett2537 it wasn’t he got nothing……

[@garywagner2466]

For the same reason his deliberate knock down of a pass was not carded. Laws applied one way for some players, and a completely different way for those coddled by influential old boys.