Should Trans Women Be Allowed In Women's Sports?

also why is NBC airbrushing photos of lia thomas / 1505258451903172608
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[@ShortFatOtaku]

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[@rafal5863]

You can’t deny me the joy of seeing where this equity doctrine goes. This dumpster fire is so much fun that I need to pour ⛽️ accelerant with a YES. You are just trans phobic. And Babylon bee twitter ban is relevant. Meritocracy will always find a way. Woman of the year is a man. Just because men make better women in the current year.

[@m0-m0597]

Looking up studies yourself is right wing

[@jaskarvinmakal9174]

You're on point this week my guy

[@afuzzycreature8387]

hubbard was injured for the olympics and wasn't a risk to medal, she still stole a slot from a oceania region woman

[@illuminahde]

Losing to normal women just shows how bad of athletes they really are. It doesn't prove anything. This is a dumb argument.

[@Zetact_]

Saying "They don't have an unfair advantage because they sometimes lose" is like saying it's fair for someone to enter an MMA fight with a flintlock because it can sometimes misfire.

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

Women are perfectly fine with that reasoning when only men suffer from it. Just sayin'.

[@tantanmustdie]

@@BuckROCKGROIN Most humans care about themselves what's new

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

@@tantanmustdieIs that why the loser congratulated the trans woman who beat her? Because she cared about herself? Most humans care too much about women and not enough about themselves. If most humans cared about themselves they wouldn't hurt themselves so people on the internet will not be mad at them. Reading comprehension much?

[@tantanmustdie]

@@BuckROCKGROIN My point was that you can say that about anything. How many decades were slaves being abused and thrown around? How many decades were women sold as wives like properties? Unless there is a big shift in social dynamics, people will care only about themselves (in specific situations they are brought up to care about other disadvantaged groups and men isn't one of them)

[@tantanmustdie]

@@BuckROCKGROIN Btw what were you referring to when you say "when only men suffer from it"? What do men suffer from?

[@garybicknell2135]

The losses Lia suffered were noticed but the reasoning explaining them was ignored. The losses mysteriously always came immediately after some new record shattering performance as a way for defenders to point to them and say "see we're right being male isn't a physical advantage in women's sports" somehow ignoring that Lia would herself shatter records in those events whenever convenient. TLDR: she threw some races as cover.

[@SA-rb5xq]

_from crushing records to... 6th place_ Yeah, I think they throw some.

[@Louis-wp3fq]

He.

[@garak55]

The weightlifting olympian from New zealand who "suddenly" forgot how to lift weights when competing at the olympics says hi. "See, there are no advantages, I got beat easily by mysteriously dropping a weight that many people have seen me crush in training uwu, we should let everyone compete "

[@Kepora1]

*he

[@superdude8266]

@@garak55 One thing I think gets ignored is what happens after a very extended time of HRT. The Kiwi weightlifter had been on test suppressors for a long time by Tokyo which could point to her failure. Which I think just supports the idea that Lia being on HRT for only 12 months is a complete joke. I'm against it in general but if the progs are gonna try and do this they need to try harder, because 12 months is absolutely nothing when it comes to changing the physical body for transwomen. Mind you I'm also against transmen competing in male sports. I don't wanna race a steroid cheat haha

[@cl0k3]

Shoutout to the best trans female athlete Zuby for showing us all that an ordinary rapper can break the glass ceiling of cis women's records.

[@abstractdiagram7629]

Zuby is the pinnacle of trans athletes

[@keithfilibeck2390]

that will never not be funny.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Love that dude.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

Zuby is a BEAST!

[@Laneous14]

I still need to get his 'okay, dude' T-shirt

[@gingeranagram2467]

There's enough shadiness around that "loss" to a trans man to imply it wasn't a natural thing and done as a PR stunt. It hasn't happened before or since

[@SoMuchFacepalm]

If it hasn't happened before or since, than it might just be a statistical blip. 'He' had a good day while to competition was hungover, for example.

[@TheEmoSyndicate]

Swimming is equal lol

[@marinanguish9928]

It was encouraging to see the women who came second and third in that race with Lia Thomas celebrating with the woman who came in fourth officially. Hopefully that is a sign of continued pushback against this madness

[@Sneedboy]

You mean first and second celebrating with third, but yeah

[@croncastle3028]

@@Sneedboy That was the joke, you fucking clown.

[@randomduck8679]

@@croncastle3028 That wasn't a joke, that was a statement

[@morgantaylor517]

They should refuse to accept this nonsense. Don't you see this is akin to saying 2 + 2 =5 though we know it's not true.

[@niceguy2527]

Sorry to burst your bubble but they raced together as a team the year before so they were taking a team photo

[@RoninCatholic]

Lia intentionally threw the swim race in order to intentionally give verbal ammo to the "no real advantage" crowd. And you fell for it.

[@shoa4566]

It's great entertainment. It really is.

[@onedaynoreason2572]

"Lia" aka William

[@DenmarkRadar]

I can fully say that I have not fallen for the devious ploys of William Thomas...

[@guanglaikangyi6054]

Ok, do you have proof?

[@shoa4566]

@@guanglaikangyi6054 oh hatchling! The whole world is a wonder to you. Who should waste their time filling a bottomless pit?

[@PeterDivine]

I said this on the Tim Pool video, and I'll say it here: saying a man with hormone therapy is comparable to a woman in physical sports is like painting a rhino pink and calling it the same as any flamingo.

[@osets2117]

I saw that comment lol

[@Fuzzycat16]

Lipstick on a pig.

[@DenmarkRadar]

Valid comment...and true. Well done sir!

[@JemRau]

What about PINK PANTHER? Is he the same as BLACK PANTHER? 😂🤣

[@mucke7907]

The weightlifting thing was totally obvious. Controversy reared its head and suddenly she couldn't lift anymore. Before she was shattering basically every record set by a woman.

[@Kepora1]

*He

[@-haclong2366]

@@Kepora1 Right-winger.

[@Kepora1]

@@-haclong2366and? I'm not filthy communist scum so my statement us valid.

[@wan3416]

Right wing folks see reality as it is, not as they would like to pervert it and pretend it to be. Thanks for the admission.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Remember that scene at the end of the Incredibles where Dash gets second place?

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

There's an obvious advantage every time we see it happen, so why not create a trans inclusive league? That way, if natural born women want to compete against trans athletes, they can. If the trans athletes quit playing as a result of them being on equal footing with other trans athletes in that league, you know who just transitioned for an easier go of it.

[@randomprotag9329]

having a non sex seperated legue would be the awnser to that, it does not matter if someone identifies as a cat or is a regular person they can compete. some leagues like the NBA are like that where its not sex segurgated

[@keithfilibeck2390]

well because "Cis" women wouldn't want to, they don't now, but are essentially being bullied into it, and because the Trans community WANTS the optics of them in the womens league as the ultimate goal, to an almost weird degree, it isn't even about "an easier go" for the majority, especially the non-athletes who are proponents for the Athletes themselves (who may or may not just want to more easily win) its about forcing their inclusion and re-writing reality so that everyone accepts and believes that there is no differences biologically between Cis and Trans women, they want you to believe that even in your head, ALA double-think.

[@antonikudlicki1100]

It's not about fairness nor tolerance, that's why. It's all acceptance, power, affirmation and domination

[@darthbrooks4933]

Because no one wants to watch like 4 f*cking people compete against each other…

[@absolutelydegenerate1900]

@@darthbrooks4933 it would be even less than that because some of these people aren’t entering to compete, they’re entering to compete against women specifically because they wouldn’t place against other men. Half of these trans athletes if you matched up their time to the average man they under preform significantly, that’s partly why they are doing this.

[@BohemianCarpenter]

Larger hands, larger feet, larger ribcage/heart/lungs, greater angle at the hip joint and a larger mass of 'fast twitch muscle'. But other than that trans women have no advantage over women. Only biggots could ever have an issue with trans women in womens sports. I am now a proud biggot.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

you forgot far tougher skin and denser bones which allows for pushing harder in workouts, and a quicker healing time, also making it easier, this is ironically one of the bigger advantages people forget.

[@Perroden]

Women in military loose fertility just from doing HALF the shit men do.

[@wilderbeast9368]

@@Perroden LOSE FERTILITY ARE THEY DOING CBT?!?!?!!?!!?

[@wilderbeast9368]

@@strangereyes9594 Bullshit is indeed self-perpetuating. Was going to make a note about how the key is one's own severed penis, but honestly, as long as you are transGENDER and not transSEX (not to be confused with transSEXUAL), it doesn't even cost that, thus it is indeed free! The only way this will change is if they finally distinguish flavours of trans from one another, but they never will if they must fight to be 'inclusive'. This gets even better when, in spite of being improperly distinct, getting them 'confused' is still somehow a thing. It should be physically impossible, yet it is. Cue the crying! lol

[@LemmahDisapproves]

Enough with your fetishes, buddy

[@garak55]

I'm 5'5'' and as much as I love football, as much I loved competing in highschool and was even legitimately good at it given my limitations, there was no way I could have played at a college level. I didn't choose to be short, I didn't want to be short, I didn't want to stop competing but I was told in very plain terms that there were things in life that I just couldn't do. I wasn't offered complementary growth hormones because "my identity as a football player didn't match my manlet body", I was told to suck it up, stop playing football and focus on school. For me, the situation is very similar: I'm really sorry for trans people that legitimately want to continue competing after their transition but "the right to compete" doesn't exist. When you enter competition you're going to be judge on a bunch of things and some of them are going to be genetics. If the rest of the field thinks you shouldn't be here, then you can't be.

[@RoninCatholic]

It's not like a man is banned from competing with _fellow men_ just because he's pretending to be a woman now. "Identity" doesn't override reality.

[@cthomaspeasant3059]

The unfortunate thing about this video is the fact it'll fall on deaf ears when it comes to the progs because of how inconsistent and unreasonable they are

[@PvtFlowers]

With christianity waning in the west, these are the people that would have pissed themselves because dnd was recruiting their kids into satanism back in the 70's and 80's. These people will always exist, and these people will always ruin society. They just move around to whichever side suits them throughout the generations.

[@greenfrogbad]

It's a feature not a bug.

[@banditkade]

I hold on to the slim hope that this dude is taking this as far as it can before he ends up in an interview where he admonishes everything, saying "you all look like fools; I clearly have a physical advantage against these women, yet you all cheered as I made their section of a sport meaningless"

[@mikealvas]

Why do that when you can keep dominating the women? Imagine a sadist given that role against women, oh how will he enjoy that power over others. Why let it go?

[@RyanOManchester]

Maybe, but I doubt someone will take hormones for over a year just to make a point. Not worth the osteoarthritis risk.

[@suprtroopr1028]

@@mikealvas I believe eventually the coaches will fully accept this and start solely seeking out more Trans people for women's sports then actual women. We're slowly taking the women out of women's sports. What progressivism...

[@kobet7341]

Don’t get your hopes up man.

[@jhoughjr1]

IT does amaze me that despite lifelong health issues, being premature, weighing less than 120 lbs, I was stronger than my mother and ex gf, who the latter was a record winning power lifter in hs, and both have arms bigger than me. Hell of a social construct

[@lancevance5907]

You ever notice how Female to Males never compete?

[@ieatpigeons5804]

Kye Allums, basketball Schuyler Bailar, swimming Mack Beggs, wrestling Harrison Browne, ice hockey Balian Buschbaum, pole vault Willy De Bruyn, cycling Keelin Godsey, hammer throw Zdeněk Koubek, track Andreas Krieger, shot put Patricio Manuel, boxing Chris Mosier, triathlon and duathlon Quince Mountain, Iditarod

[@lancevance5907]

@@ieatpigeons5804 Against men.

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

@@ieatpigeons5804 he meant compete as in standing a chance

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

Eventually they're gonna overtake stuff like gymnastics and iceskating. You know, the girl sports. They're gonna also have done the same done to them as Simone De Beauvoir and Marie Curie. They're gonna be quoted as being among the greatest, despite achieving little to nothing.

[@wingedarr0w]

I think that many of these people simply don't know anything about physicality or sport. I am a 'fit' male, not 'very fit' and definitely not 'athletic'. I was walking down a street with my super artsy ex, she has basically had never had any exposure to sport, probably all her exposure to it was through movies. We decided to race for some reason. So I was running about 80% obviously winning and looked back. I saw her struggling to run with a shocked expression and that was the weird thing. She had no clue how fast a 'man' was. I think she was under the impression that, yes men are stronger, but just a little bit. I think she and most people don't know the WTF level difference in physical strength between men and women. They probably watch movies of Scarlett Johansson picking up soldiers with one hand and thinking, "Yes it is a bit exaggerated but probably not that far off so I think trans is probably fair".

[@slimjimpui]

Reminds me of that arm wrestle contest that took place on Louder With Crowder. Not Gay Jared vs some woman on Steven's staff who worked out, was about the same height as Jared and had an over inflated sense of ego. Jared won hands down and she was salty as hell about it cos she thought she would whip his ass. Folks in the west have internalised this BS "whamin can do anything better than men while in heels and pregnant" mantra but it has been going on for a lot longer than Black Widow throwing 300 pound dudes around like rag dolls. This sh!t's been shoved down our throats ever since I can remember growing up in the 80's

[@orppranator5230]

Yes. Men are not stronger than women. We are FAR, FAR stronger.

[@qwertziop0]

@Celzabuu Jones the new movies are bad so she turned into wonderwoman and does that now

[@MegaDudeman21]

@@qwertziop0 she still does those moves though

[@MegaDudeman21]

@@qwertziop0 plus she's dead

[@JodyBruchon]

Dev: "What phrase can I use in the thumbnail to maximize clickbait?" Also Dev: "No."

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Love the subtle shift to it no longer just being gender, but now you can change your sex apparently. You will always be male, no surgery or hormone therapy will change that.

[@osets2117]

That funny little thing called a 'Y' chromosome that people conveniently ignore

[@TheTundraTerror]

The idea of "gender" is total hokum.

[@aIexemre]

what

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@TheTundraTerror yeah, John Money. But since it doesn't exist, it kinda destroys the entire T narrative.

[@Brenhydra]

The amount of people I follow and respect bend themselves into pretzels trying to justify transwomen in women's sports is baffling.

[@HANGING_SILVER]

Thats likely because of cancel culture, saying what is considered the wrong thing or going against the established narrative can be a career ender and a lot of people want to appeal to the mainstream opinion for those sweet internet brownie points.

[@somethingsomething8511]

You have poor judgement, if someone refuses to acknowledge reality they should neither be respected nor followed

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

People feel that because you can make a man's head instantly explode with just the press of a trigger hundreds of feet away or that atom bombs can genocide entire peoples that we should be moving away from the human element in all things. We are stuck with the human element, it's insane to try to escape it. The future (if there is a future) will consist of microstates vying for power and mutually killing each other with nukes.

[@Hellwolf36]

It is a combination of cancel culture and brain conditioning by the LGBT establishment

[@InfernoScorpion14]

@@HANGING_SILVER Welcome to China's social credit system.

[@missing_links]

All of the failures of trans athletes to achieve at the highest levels were definitely noticed. There's just no outrage over that, because a cheater losing as they deserve to is not outrageous.

[@marjorie4310]

Plus the suspicion of throwing it to assuage the complains.

[@dragonflyerz4736]

Exactly. I remember hearing about that loser 'Laurel' Hubbard failing at the Olympics and everyone was laughing and cheering. True schadenfreude

[@randomprotag9329]

a good example of the reason when sport is separate by sex is the tennis battle of the sexes an out of their prime male athlete did well against a top female athlete. when the difference is too big separation has to be done, their is a reason why boxing has weight classes.

[@NoHairofRedemption]

You're so phobics's

[@randomprotag9329]

@@NoHairofRedemption *writes a novel on how accepting a fact is true is every ist to ever exist*

[@ironflash3]

Let's not forgot that a top tennis female athlete said she would get destroyed by the top 500 or 1000 of men, can't remember which

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

@@ironflash3 iirc it was "I can beat any man ranked 50 or above" and then after losing they changed it to 500 or above.

[@randomprotag9329]

@Celzabuu Jones when it comes to physical sports its makes a massive difference. look at the NBA despite not being sex segregated women have exetremely rarely made the team if ever. despite shorter players making it in the nba

[@SkylineFTW97]

I can explain Lia's inexplicable loss, and all the others. Throwing the game to try and give the illusion that "See, I'm just one of the girls"

[@akiramiller9025]

@@axeSyntax it's a subpar male athlete..he did not throw the race he isn't very good.

[@akiramiller9025]

@@axeSyntax it's different types of events he as more endurance not more speed that's why he loses in Short term races.

[@crustybomb115]

@@akiramiller9025 even a subpar male athlete can top most pro female athletes... hell, look at the person in question: lia thomas, back in the male division, placed 462nd... now in the female devision, 1st. it doesnt matter which way you look at it, its still a massive biological advantage that you cant physically get rid of... things like lung capacity(very important for oxygen retension, especially for swimming) bone and muscle density, faster reflexes, completely differant skeletal structure, the list goes on...

[@veronica-mew]

Everytime the topic of transwomen in sports comes up, I'm reminded of high school and when the girls varsity volleyball team would scrimage the boys JV volleyball team. Most of the girls on the team had been playing volleyball for several years and some had participated in clubs, whereas most of the boys on the team were relatively new to the sport and had only been playing for 1-2 years. Nevertheless, the boys team dominated every scrimmage. The girls may have been much more skilled and experienced at the sport, but that didn't matter to the boys strength and powerful spikes and serves, not to mention the fact that we had to play on a women's net which is much shorter than a men's net, giving them further advantage. My point is that men and women have always been and will always be different, physically and psychologically, so why are we trying to delude ourselves into thinking that we're not. Boys are (generally) stronger than girls which is why we have separate sports in the first place. We need to stop this lying before we lose women's spots.

[@garystewart2355]

Everyone knows if you’re going to cheat on a test you need to get a few questions wrong to avoid suspicion so if these dudes were smart they would sandbag a little lose some or make it a close competition.

[@conserva-chan2735]

Aristotle: man I can't wait to see where the West goes in a few thousand years! The West:

[@Arassar]

"Castor Semenya... outwardly appearing completely female" X to doubt

[@Magmadon]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: just put trans people of any kind in a different category. You can have trans sports, trans olympics, trans... anything, really. It'll be very inclusive, and it won't come at the cost of normal people.

[@InciniumVGC]

This will never work and they will never be placated. They demand everyone entertain their delusions 100% or else its bigotry. They do not need a separate category. Trans women are men so should play in men's sports the end. Don't give them an inch it will never be good enough.

[@SoMuchFacepalm]

Thailand already did it with theatre didn't they? All TW shows and so on.

[@emile1365]

C'mon now, don't talk sense on the internet.

[@SoMuchFacepalm]

@@emile1365 Yeah! This is meant to be a training ground for future politicians.

[@kingofharts1979]

@@InciniumVGC I'm waiting for anyone able to join the special Olympics. Think I'll dominate 🤔

[@keithfilibeck2390]

There's an almost cruel glee that the activists have in all this, it isn't about winning or losing for them, but replacing, and re-writing reality so that we all collectively announce how there are no differences, they get a almost visible joy out of pounding the double-think into your brain.

[@Louis-wp3fq]

I think everyone involved in this insanity gets a thrill inversely proportional to the truth of the statements they declare.

[@mikealvas]

My current favorite is one of those lunatics calling women birthing people and trans as woman. I chuckled so hard at that. I’m starting to enjoy this. Watching this slow comeuppance for the feminists. Don’t ruin it for me people. I want to watch them bleed.

[@Puffzilla777]

True that

[@akiramiller9025]

@@mikealvas same feminists deserve this more than ever

[@Xplora213]

“How many lights do you see, Winston?” 1984 explained this with terrifying clarity during the room 101 scene.

[@kylesmith7413]

I haven't made it through the entire video yet but I want to point out that when you mention that Lia placed 8th- she doesn't always place 1st but she has been caught colluding with people to place lower. You don't shatter records and then somehow just be awful randomly.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

provide proof of collusion

[@Ryzeex.]

@@ShortFatOtaku is shattering records then falling massively short of the race pace not suspicious..? Of course no one has proof of throwing the race, how could they? But if Usain Bolt turns trans, runs a 9.9s 100m winning gold (and gets a lot of heat), then the next week runs a 10.9s coming last. It seems like there would be an obvious motive anyone objectively could see

[@Dxntoo]

yeah it's really sus. Even if there's no concrete evidence of collusion, it's pretty obvious tbh. Feels like it's to prevent even more outrage.

[@omensoffate]

@@ShortFatOtaku use your brain

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@ShortFatOtaku even commentators of her swims felt she was "pulling punches" in some of her races, unlesss your injured you don't suddenly lose 3 seconds of time.

[@bradolson8242]

No, but as this is a womens issue and the LBGT...etc fight for rights is basically based on feminisms success as a blue-print, the fix for this should be for women to address. Have fun ladies.

[@MegaGraceiscool]

We've been trying but we get called terfs when we do. They literally only listen when men say it's unfair

[@intboom]

Only a minority of women are feminists

[@chekhovsgun4554]

It's going to take a boycott by most if not all female athletes within a given sport. I have made it crystal clear that i would never fight a trans woman and i expect everyone to back me up on that. I have nothing against people who want to transition, but you don't get to waltz in and dominate my sport after putting on a dress for a few months. In my sport, women weren't even allowed to TOUCH a ring until the 90s because they were considered unlucky. We have been fighting hard to find legitimacy in our sports. Women's boxing only has three weight categories in the Olympics and it wasn't even a sport for women until 2010. Imagine we only have boxing for women in the Olympics for a little over a decade, and next summer Olympics it might already be destroyed by a biological man.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

@@MegaGraceiscool you agree with them on everything besides trans issues The policies that feminism has created has damaged men greatly Karma is a bitch

[@bradolson8242]

@@intboom Yet the majority sat and did nothing while feminism was damaging the family and treating their men folk like garbage. Oh well, they did get equal rights and it's time for them to get off their backsides.

[@KingOfInsanity777]

I like how the thumbnail just answers the question straight for us.

[@fillo9873]

Did you really have any doubt about it. because im courious about the reasoning

[@mikeehrmantraut3572]

Yup

[@KingOfInsanity777]

@@fillo9873 None whatsoever

[@Ryzeex.]

I'm actually past the point of caring. Woman generally are more left leaning and more willing accept this nonsense. I'm not about to be called a transphobe (and a sexist!) for defending sporting events I can't participate in, and I don't even watch. If woman get sick of it... they know how to protest.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

even if they wanted to, they intuitively know which way society blows, its one of womens powers (and curses) of conformity, they know, that in the West, Trans Women are far more powerful and effective now than actual Cis Women, in these matters (and more aggressive about it as well, they don't really stray far from their nature...) so only the really bad ass bitches are going to say shit, the rest will hate it, but concede.

[@secretsix43]

Agreed. Let this be a wake up call for them. Eventually they ruin everything, for everyone.

[@BilboniousBagODonuts]

Until literally all the top women are men, they'll keep going along.

[@cirrusm.2829]

That's a fair position. If your help isn't wanted and it doesn't bring you any benefits, why bother?

[@orboakin8074]

Best response to this. They reap what they sow.

[@ignasimontserrat]

You’re almost there. I loved it if you got out of the weeds and recognised that reality is much simpler in some respects than some ppl would like it to be.

[@hawaiinshirtguy]

Hubbard failing at the Olympics is a red herring. If she had performed as well as she did in her previous win, she would have walked away with the Silver. The female gold medalist is untouchable in the sport... in large part because she's a gifted phenom, and also because she weight 150kg at 5 foot 11. The important context with Hubbard is that she was mediocre when she competed as a man. Her claim to fame was a Total of 300kg, a record for New Zealand at the time, but almost 200kg below the current men's world record of 492kg in competition. The lowest total score at the 2020 Olympics was 378kg.

[@mjbull5156]

There was also that Hubbard was old for that competition.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Stop calling transwomen women. You're already ceding to the Left.

[@alexk3790]

Sure they don’t win every game, but Laurel Hubbard (as you said, an inexperienced 35 year old weight lifter) still *went to the Olympics*. It’s not the exact highest achievement possible, but it was done by a person past their prime who hadn’t been lifting for a long time. This still shows an obvious advantage.

[@mickadams1905]

Your absolutely wrong! Everyone was well aware that Lia Thomas had lost those races. In fact the question as to whether or not he lost on purpose was asked. Also Laurel Hubbards loss was well publicised, mostly because we were laughing at what a loser he is. So yeah, lots of stawmen early on. Good video on the whole though.

[@MisterDamocles]

What do you call a last place male athlete? A gold medal Trans Athlete.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I wonder how genuine some of those trans women's losses are. You don't go from placing 1st to dead last in the span of 1 season.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I wonder, too. In animal studies, if one animal repeatedly wins whenever they play with smaller animals, the smaller animals will stop wanting to play with the big, strong one So the big, strong one usually self-handicaps for part of the time, to keep the smaller animals interested in playing with them.

[@Fuzzycat16]

Fixed fights.

[@RossMitchellsProfile]

Yeah, my monies on them holding back when controversy starts brewing, they know an Olympic Gold will probably be the straw that breaks the camels back and don't want that.

[@lisapop5219]

I notice. Imho some seem to be deliberately throwing some events to make it appear that they don't have an advantage so that more trans women will get to play against women

[@timothydelacy9571]

Yes it is not JUST about personal glory, it is ALSO about destroying the concept of gender and sex.

[@chrisknight5960]

At this point I don't care. If these girls won't stand up for their own sports I'm not going to either.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

fine fine, but then don't decry at the utter breakdown of society writ large, just sign on the paper your fine with every aspect of civilization crumbling in your hands.

[@NoHairofRedemption]

@@keithfilibeck2390 look around you buddy society has already started to crumble. Letting women reap what they sow isn't going to change anything.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@NoHairofRedemption like I said it's ok you think that, just realize the horror you will live in for it

[@CountArtha]

@@keithfilibeck2390 Society will be just fine without women wasting their prime child-bearing years chasing medals instead of starting a family.

[@markedfang]

Jeez. Everything's really already been said. 98% of men would probably get their shit kicked in by a female kickboxer, but compare that same women to male kickboxers that are also trying and the picture gets hellah skewed. In top sports the only thing that matters is performing at the top, and any middling male at the top can probably blow all kinds of women's records out of the water. That's exactly what we see with trans-females. Men with little motivation figuring out that they can beat women far more easily, they just have to ruin their bodies forever and they'll be in the history books, for a time. Until their better male counterparts get similar ideas and the distinction between male and female records are just abolished by the end. Nobody believes trans sports records matter. Even to the left they're just a tool for their movement. To celebrate milestones and do victory laps improving their own morale while leaving huge swathes of the population by the wayside because it is somehow virtuous to oppress a majority to accommodate a minority. Not everyone can become the top of sports. If transitioning means there's just another barrier to entry atop genetics, I'm not really concerned. People must make unfair choices all the time. Hecc, I'm autistic in a world that clearly isn't designed for me, since you can't build a world for a minority (which will cripple productivity in not only the majority, but other minorities too) you just gotta take what life gives you on the cheek and make it work. Some paths will likely never be available to me. Much the same as actual trans athletes. Tough luck. They can still measure themselves against the only thing that matters. Yesterday's performance.

[@junichiroyamashita]

How does autism impede you choices? I am genuinely asking.

[@tarnw3301]

They don't even need to ruin their bodies forever. The levels of testosterone they are required to have is all well between the male range (because asking a man to lower his levels to a women's would probably kill him, so the Olympic Comité didn't dare). And the NCAA had even tamer rules, if you use acne creams, you are probably using the same dosage that Thomas does.

[@orppranator5230]

98% is a little high, but yes. The best women are better than the average man but they can’t compare to the best men.

[@ARuiz-eu3hk]

​​@@tarnw3301hat part I didnt even consider that. Goes to show more how the human body was never meant to be fucked with in such ways. If certain levels of hormones become to high or low can have severe consequences including death, god!

[@SioxerNikita]

@@tarnw3301 "The levels of testosterone they are required to have is all well between the male range (because asking a man to lower his levels to a women's would probably kill him, so the Olympic Comité didn't dare). " No, it's because the general female range of testosterone actually overlaps with men when looking at high level athletes. And asking a man to lower their testosterone to below that level wont kill you. It will on the "dangerous" side mostly give you a higher risk of developing brittle bones, not something that kills. And yes, you do ruin your body forever... You start developing breast tissue, there are permanent brain rewrites, and fat deposits move around, and there are in general muscular tissue changes that will never fully revert. I think your comment would have been color if you had actually looked up what you were talking about.

[@culturalliberator9425]

I love how it just says, "No"

[@RandomizedCTRL]

I study sports sciences (it's a Masters program) and it was obvious to the point of not having to be mentioned that Testosterone has physical benefits for men AND women, hence its illegal usage as a performance-enhancing drug and drug-testing for T-levels. About a year ago, when the Fallon Fox controversy swashed over to German media, the consensus changed. Suddenly, "it is not conclusively proven that Testosterone is directly correlated with performance benefits." Science is dead. It doesn't grant you predictive value anymore, it just is used to gain plausible reason to to what politics wanted to to anyway and to cast reasonable doubt onto what politics doesn't want to do. Commonwealth knowledge suddenly is reversed because there was no need to study if it is healthy for example to wear a cloth mask over your face the whole day, and now that there *is* a need you cannot find anybody who is neutral enough to study the issue unbiased.

[@icevast]

Hello SFO, great vid! I would only humbly add that maybe we shouldnt notmalize the LGBT language. This “CIS Women” crap is just stupid. Its just WOMEN theres no other type of women, we cant give up the language against them :/

[@osets2117]

Especially since this "cis" crap is a completely made up term anyway, look at an old dictionary that term doesn't exist

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Ya there's no reason not to be hard line about this.

[@1SpicyMeataball]

Ikr. It's annoying. We're the norm, not a variant. By twisting the language the LGBTQRSTUV mafia is unpersoning actual women.

[@greenfrogbad]

This.

[@InciniumVGC]

@@1SpicyMeataball That's the whole reason why they are doing it, they don't want you to be the norm, they want a man that believes he's a woman to be the exact same thing as you and they believe that they can accomplish this simply by manipulating the language exactly the way IngSoc did in 1984, because they believe that the only differences between you and a man are socially constructed by the eeeeevil oppressive white men.

[@SargonofAkkad]

Virgin Dev presents facts and logic to people who don't believe in facts and logic vs the chad not accepting their social constructs because they are just social constructs and choosing a social construct that was revealed to him in a dream.

[@SuperFlawless9]

Nice to see you here Sargon lol

[@MyRkAcc]

Source: Sargon dreamed it

[@mrbigglezworth42]

If this persists, you're gonna have both the mens and the womens professional sports dominated by men. How stunning and brave.

[@CountArtha]

Well, 100 years was a pretty good run for women competing against other women in sports that are optimized for men anyway.

[@czerwonowlosymobile]

"males are diamonds, females are squares" Unintentionally based XD

[@googleslocik]

No. Even ignoring the question of gender we have weight and other divisions in sports for this very reason, to match people who have equal chances of winning. Trans men and women need their own divisions if there are enough candidates, if not they should be banned from competing, simple as that. We cant destroy thousands of years of history sport for the feelings of couple of people.

[@RoninCatholic]

Trans men should be banned from competing with other women because the testosterone is pure doping. Trans women should be allowed to compete with other men because all transition would amount to is self-imposed handicap.

[@shoa4566]

Who am I to deprive feminists their spoils. Reality has FINALLY come to bite them in the ass. Let them eat their damn crow.

[@Laneous14]

Before I saw your 'no' I read the question in the thumbnail and just said 'no. you don't need 17 minutes to form an answer.' :-)

[@sqocks8254]

I very much appreciate that you actually display the name/authors of the studies you mentioned in this video. Some channels have a habit of just saying _"This study shows [X]"_ and leaving it at that. Which makes finding said studies for yourself *a lot* more difficult.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

I am heavily against it, BUT, I see the writing on the wall, reality of situations don't matter, just virtue signaling and appeasement (for big companies and orgs, so as to not get bad PR, for everyone else, so they don't get harrassed ), they will WIN this issue long term, and "Cis" women will eat shit, Destiny is the only one in the trenches even trying to espouse this, and its all on deaf ears.

[@mushyroom9569]

It’s not just virtue signaling/appeasement. The question you need need to be asking is “what virtue does this signal?” Because it’s not inclusivity, it’s sustainability i.e. population control.

[@tarnw3301]

This is more like "The Emperor's new groove". There are a lot of people that fake seeing a man is a woman to not come across as "uneducated", but their lies and pretenses will fail the more people speak against this, like the child did.

[@Bubben246]

@@tarnw3301 "The Emperor's New Clothes", you mean.

[@tarnw3301]

@@Bubben246 that one. Thanks!

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

Sports is competition under agreed upon circumstances. If majority of those that do not find it permissible for specific conduct to take place do not take active measures to assure it does not, then the it is tacitly deemed accepted and acceptable. To the question, I would say no. It defeats the principle notion of the competition as intended and understood.

[@endcensorship874]

I come down on the side of “get rid of sex classification” in all sports. Does that mean only men will win? Yes… and you get what you deserve.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Exactly. Make it 100% meritocratic. After 50 years of shrieking about how there are no differences between the sexes and how women can do everything men can do - I have 0 sympathy for the people whining

[@endcensorship874]

@@Rudi__yt1 Yes, accurate.

[@tarnw3301]

Also get rid of those weight categories and those categories based on type of stroke or length of the field. Also, get rid of those amateur leagues, if they can't make it into the big league they don't deserve to touch the field. Like, why is there a 100m in swimming? that's weak! Only 10km. Lightweight category should also be gone. If they can compete against heavier men, that's sad, but that's what they deserve.

[@orppranator5230]

You sound sociopathic. iljk has it right.

[@crustybomb115]

@@electricfishfan unfortunately, thats what being extremely agreeable gets you... you get an entire group of people whove effectively "inclusivity"-ed themselves out of sports...

[@Xplora213]

No. Saved everyone 17 minutes. Thanks Dev. Leave a like but there is the answer 😉

[@worekmiesa1255]

Thumbnail did it already but thanks anyway.

[@Xplora213]

@@worekmiesa1255 amen 🙏 I posted before seeing the thumb 😂 notification gang!

[@miketumbi3976]

“No” - ‘Nuff said! 😂

[@Zironeful]

I feel sorry for Semenya actually. She herself didn't and couldn't have known. Now she will have to live with this stigma forever.

[@orboakin8074]

I couldn't care less. If the women were bothered by this, they wouldn't participate in these sports and they would all speak out. Besides, wasn't it the feminism movement that encouraged this alfabet t-rans movement, even when men and conservatives warned such would happen? Let them reap what they have sown.

[@slimjimpui]

Agreed, as a wiser man once said; "You get what you f----ing deserve"

[@darkmojojojo]

No.* * But it's their responsibility to gatekeep their sport. The people involved seem to be hesitant to speak out and they deserve what they get as a result.

[@compatriot852]

I mean having a person who transitioned like that in women's sports is like the equivalent of having a gorilla in men's sports.

[@josedorsaith5261]

I'd watch that

[@thehaloofthesun7174]

Furries: "Gorillas are just people too! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[@HontounoShiramizu]

There's also the part where somebody graduates from being ranked 400th-something in the men cathegory to top 10 in women. That some women can still beat that person doesn't mean it's not unfair, but that they were a shit athlete before (and after) transition.

[@Haglar6]

Always good to play devils advocate at the beginning but I will point out that placing "last" in the finals still means you came 8th overall and knocked someone out of the A final and the B final at the fastest collegiate meet in the entire world.

[@carltonbauheimer]

If I were the coach or manager of a women's sports team I would recruit as many transwomen as possible. If it is legal then a W is a W.

[@murieloduro1274]

Body dysmorphia used to be an actual mental health issue.. now it’s social issue. Chromosomes don’t lie..

[@aphexamine]

I hear all this stuff about trans rights and nothing about trans lefts.

[@gestaltblitz8296]

I see what you did there. But uh yea nah trans is almost synonymous with left now anyway no need to talk about that.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

They always cry about "rights" but that's not what they want at all. They demand special privileges nobody else has.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Short answer: no. Long answer: hell no.

[@PixelSubstream]

The solution has to be Either create a trans division or create a universal ranking system like in chess and break it into divisions based on rank

[@Gentlemenpickleesq.]

6:00 Personally when I hear this I feel it's a diversion tactic. When it comes to ANYTHING physical men have an advantage over women. I've seen with female bodybuilders they have to take performance enhancing drugs and practically LIVE in the gym to keep their muscle gains. While men can do about half the work and no enhancers to vastly out pace them. We have to accept there are biological differences! There will always be that one exception where there is an abnormally strong woman or weak man but they are not the regular.

[@wun1gee]

I watched Caster Semenya run at the Olympics. I watched her utterly dominate. I watched her casually stroll across the finish line while flexing. I watched Silver and Bronze come in as both "high-T females". I watched the 4thnplace athlete, a cis woman at the top of her game, break down in tears because she knew she had no way to compete and had just been utterly dominated in her sport. Then I got in the internet to talk about this and was instantly called a racist sexist transphobe by all the usual types. And it was then that I came to the conclusion that the answer to this question was a resounding "No"..

[@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168]

"Trans women" are not women. Intersectionalist dogma be damned.

[@mikecampos1193]

Based and true.

[@drewbakka5265]

Water is also wet

[@IamaCosmonaut]

@drewbakka5265 Water is not wet. Water makes other things wet. The definition of wet is; covered or soaked with liquid. When you put your hand in a body of water, your hand becomes wet as it's covered in liquid, water. A body of water is not covered in liquid as it's considered a single entity consistint of all of the liquid water, therefore it cannot be covered in liquid like water and be wet and therefore only makes other things wet.

[@blampfno]

They should be allowed into therapy. It's distinctly awful that this is the only mental health issue we treat by mangling the body to match the malady and then demand that literally everyone else on the planet adheres to that person's internal reality, frequently under pain of severe loss. Hopefully we look back on this movement with the same reverence with which we view the forced lobotomies of the 20th century.

[@stuglife5514]

I mean, I propose this. Who cares. It’s not your body. If they wanna “mangle” themselves then so be it. It’s their right. Even if we don’t agree with it, it’s our job as Americans or citizens of the western free world to let people live out their lives and express themselves, wether we agree or not. Because at the end of the day, you aren’t the one transitioning, so why should you care what others do with their bodies? Should we take it to the extreme and treat any body modification like this? Should we look at tattoos, plastic surgery, and piercings in the same light?

[@Mister_Clean]

@@stuglife5514 Sure, that's fine and all. Until they start transitioning children.

[@bobbybee2975]

This question is as stupid as "should men be allowed to shower in women's locker rooms?" and the answer is just no to both these questions.

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

"Medically disqualified to compete" is an option we should explore. If there's not a real difference, as they claim, why are trans-men not taking the men's sports world by storm?

[@whothoughthandleswereagoodidea]

Really curious if I'll get banned for posting LGB, drop the T. I guess we'll just have to find out.

[@famalam943]

It takes the exceptional sporting female to win against the most mediocre of males.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

1:40 It first came up (as far as I'm aware), in 2002 or 2004(?) when the Olympics committee started asking about it and started looking to specify rules about it. Because trans athletes were competing in women's college and low level leagues in the US.

[@zoukatron]

I prefer to phrase the situation like this: everyone has the right to freedom of association. That means that ciswomen have the right to form sports leagues (or shelters or support groups or whatever) all of their own. Keeping transwomen out of these spaces is not a violation of transwomen's rights, but forcing ciswomen to accept transwomen into these spaces is a violation of ciswomen's right to freedom of association.

[@RoninCatholic]

Forcing male-only spaces to accept women for the past 50+ years says hi. Women have rights, men don't. That's a big part of why so many men try to turn themselves into fake women.

[@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971]

I remember another KZbin made this joke a long time ago but it holds up "Sports should just all do like racing and have different divisions for everyone: stock, funny cars and drag."

[@junior1388666]

What can they do? The progressive mob is too powerful right now. I don't know why, but apparently they are

[@RoninCatholic]

@@junior1388666 The "why" is pretty simple. They seized total control of college level education over a century ago, and with that were able to influence lawyers, lawmakers, journalists, entertainers, and K-12 educators; with a couple generations of that, they were able to influence the general population. Selling the boomer grandchildren of their own generation on a gravy train of benefits that'd never end, the borrowed money from the future (our and the current batch of children's money) to artificially pump up "progress" and "prosperity" and bribe people into voting for ever more and more progressivism. Secure and pampered with more luxury than any generation before, our culture became complacent and, after the last few strong conservatives finally chopped down old leftist mainstays like civil rights abuses, the left took credit for this and people went really soft for a couple generations. Progressive outrage mobs of the 60s and 70s had nothing left to fight for in the 90s and 2000s, so they had to start inventing made-up grievances, sorta like how allergies to innocuous things develop if you don't give your immune system things to fight; hence "gay rights" and "systemic racism" and "microaggressions".

[@tarnw3301]

"ciswomen" is such a humiliating terms. Women became a subcategory even into their own category because men said they felt like women and their word is law and now women have to pretend they are fine with being perceived as a set of stereotypes instead as full human beings.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

6:40 so as a kid i played generic travel hockey. I also got to witness how a AAA (top level) women's team trains for their games. They trained way harder and way more seriously then any of the mens teams ive been on. Then when we played a practice scrimmage against them they got completely destroy. I was a goalie and in both how they skate and shoot, their top level best players where about as powerful and fast as our mid bottom tier players, it doesn't even come close, and training wont fix in strength based sports what testosterone gives you

[@clawofthefallen]

Solution: Make a Trans league. Just watch those athlete transition rates go down DRASTICALLY.

[@bulletsizednuke1100]

Yo Dev, what do you think about the idea of "testosterone level classes" in athletics like there are weight classes in boxing? (Yeah I know men and women have different boxing leagues)

[@johnrew5713]

Definitely yes! Feminism is about to get it's comeupence. I wouldn't miss it for the world.

[@vangoghsseveredear]

"Something we all know as common sense needs insurmountable scientific evidence in today's age, is still going to make you a bigot to say" Alternate title

[@TransRoofKorean]

1:53 Every few months I re-watch Fallon Fox losing to Ashlee Evans-Smith. Actual skill of an actual female versus a dude beating up on women.

[@diy_cat9817]

It doesn't matter if they lose. They still stole a spot from someone who deserved it more. In fact it's even worse when despite the massive advantages they STILL lose.

[@loganbennett2488]

The way I feel about basically every trans issue is this. If you’re an adult, you can make the choice to do whatever you want to your own body, however, you should know that doing those things will have consequences for you. I’m allowed to eat junk food every day and never work out, but I’ll have to deal with the consequences of getting fat. Reality will not bend to my desires and allow me to do that without dealing with the consequences, so I have a choice to make. In the same way, you as a trans person have the choice to make. Is the chance to be seen as the sex if your choice important enough to deal with the consequences of that choice? One of those consequences is you’ll be hard pressed to find a way to compete on a fair playing field with 99% of the human race athletically, is that worth it? That’s your choice. But reality will not bend to your desires and make it so you can have your cake and eat it too. You have to make the choice, and accept the consequences, that’s what being a free adult is.

[@MrTexaspreacher]

"her her her" "she she she" To quote Austin Powers "That's a MAN baby."

[@CountArtha]

That's the problem with centrists: They will creep ever-leftward, because the Right moves itself toward the center but the Left moves the center toward itself.

[@shadowstar7388]

Hey man, just wanted to say you did a really good job researching this video. This was a very important study, and you were very fair to both sides of the argument.

[@Sketch_XR]

1:10 This can be easily explained by the fact that Thomas is a distance swimmer, and currently dominates the 500 Freestyle, which you train for very differently than you do for the 100 Freestyle (a sprint race) 15:05 What a bold mask off statement from a kit-kat bar of a boy whose probably never trained for a sport for a single day in his life.

[@bon7029]

The problem with "trans" "women" is that men have a higher testosterone, and even after "transitioning" are still capable of building more muscle than biological women, much like how someone on steroids still has a higher potential for building muscle than others, even after stopping their steroids. Some of the effects of having a high amount of testosterone is permanent and even lowering the amount of testosterone will not end these effects.

[@Snakedude4life]

Short answer: No. Long answer: Noooo. 🎩 🐍no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@Smilomaniac]

On the hormone point - It's interesting that she did a full year of hormone treatment, but then also still shattered records etc... It sort of leads to a reverse perspective on equity, where you sort of have to cut down the length of her legs to make it fair. At least this SOUNDS like what is being complained about regarding the advantages, right? I know, I'm not stupid, obviously the answer is just not to have transwomen in women's sports, they belong in the men's divisions and can do as much or as little treatment as they want to deal with whatever they need or want for their transition, rather than nerf themselves with drugs to feel accepted somewhere they don't belong.

[@CountArtha]

That's not "equity in reverse;" it's the logical endpoint of equity as a goal. People are not equal - and that's okay.

[@Smilomaniac]

@@CountArtha I mean it's the opposite people using equity arguments, not the opposite of equity. I should've been more clear, but I couldn't be bothered at the time.

[@santiagosegovia8756]

As a wrestler I can rag doll most women unless you are cris cyborg

[@jedikye]

12:09 "despite outwardly appearing female." Are you sure about that?

[@rexnas8150]

This actually kind if reminds me of some women I know who swam on my team. They were basically the fastest on the team compared with all the girls, and even kicked most of the men out too. Now compared to those on the same training level they lost but could still compete with one another. But these women not only had very androgynous bodies, small breasts, and very stream lined body shapes, but also worked so hard and so much they would literally stop having their periods.

[@tarnw3301]

.... losing the period is a sign of malnutrition. It's the body practically shutting down.

[@rexnas8150]

@@tarnw3301 not exactly, there can be several reasons to someone missing a menstrual cycle, they were all top tier swimmers, they didn't exactly have the luxury of having bad nutrition. One reason being excessive exercising, and is actually quite common in female athletes who train extensively. It was actually quite annoying to hear our coach hold that against the other girls who weren't as good.

[@tarnw3301]

@@rexnas8150 I don't doubt they were top swimmers. I just point out how their amenorrhea was most likely caused due malnutrition. Or as the study "Dietary intervention Restored Menses in Female athletes (...)" By Lyan Cialdella-Kam, it's due the lack of enough carbohydrates-protein.

[@rexnas8150]

@@tarnw3301 okay, and I can tell you that they weren't, because it isn't only caused by malnutrition and that being a top athlete they can't afford to not eat properly. Swimmers have entire pasta parties before big meets. I mean these girls were not only eating well with specific nutritional lists, they were eating more calories than the average McDonalds regular.

[@tarnw3301]

@@rexnas8150 they should have been eating more than regular people. I also read it's caused due stressors and hormonal imbalance. There's a long explication about receptors and hormones, but I'm just a layman. It's still better to go to the doctor and a dietitian if there's amenorrhea. Better be safe than sorry.

[@risunokairu]

"Sometimes the trains lose the sport" yeah when they purposely throw the game to make it look like they don't always win.

[@mrmonkeyman412]

I suspect the male to females pretenders lost when and how they did due to the well deserved pressure to recuse themselves from the competition. Pretty hard to perform if all the real competitors and thier families are staring angrily at you and the virtue signals are nowhere to be found.

[@serrodderick]

The intellectual enemy of social justice is competition, they've been saying the quiet part out loud for years.

[@CountArtha]

Finally, a red-pilled take. 👍

[@NorthernObserver]

We have a venue for trans Athletes. It’s called the Special Olympics.

[@1three7]

The thing with Hubbard was that yeah she failed her lifts, but she made it in at 43 years old. That was insanely old. Before her the oldest woman was early thirties and even the oldest man was 38. He was by far the oldest competitor ever until Hubbard who had another 5 years! Plus there's the question you have to ask yourself, did Hubbard fail her lifts on purpose to avoid the controversy? I am not sure I think that's true but I do think it's worth asking.

[@tuomasjaskari]

One thing people often forget to mention is the fact that most of the men who transitioned were not winning in the men's category pre-transition. For example, Lia Thomas was ranked 500th (if i remember correctly) in the men's category and after transitioning she's easily in the top 10 for females. I think that shows a clear advantage.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

The rebuttal there is that maybe there is just a lot more male competitors.

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower The rules are the same tho.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

@@Fuzzycat16 No for instance if there is 25,000 male competitors and only 500 female competitors the trans women is both times in the top 2% of competitors and the argument is invalid.

[@TheRisky9]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower Percent is the wrong metric to use. Do percentiles.

[@cephelos1098]

@@TheRisky9 percentage and percentile are literally the same thing, just flipped