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[@smudgeous4068]

Tua wasn't lighting the league on fire before Tyreek + McDaniel, but which QB could when dealing with the worst offensive line in several years, no running game support (Myles Gaskin at RB1, not good enough to get 1 single snap from any other team after his rookie contract), league bottom WR separation, a WR room missing its starters the vast majority of his starts, and 3 offensive coordinators in his first 2 seasons? Tua's WR1 was Parker who started just 10 games that Tua started over those first 2 seasons. Hurns at WR2 was on IR all of 2020 and retired afterward. Albert Wilson at WR3 was on IR all 2020 and started 5 total games in 2021. So outside rookie Waddle in 2021, Tua was throwing to several WRs who were done in the league within 3 years. The other 2 exceptions were Jakeem Grant (9 receptions with Chicago in 2021 after being traded mid-season, not resigned afterward) and Mack Hollins (on his 3rd team in 3 seasons since leaving Miami in 2021, with 18 catches for Atlanta last year). Not a single QB would excel in that environment, to say nothing of the head coach trying to sabotage him for two years. That said, Tua's worst season still ended with 2 wins more than losses. Since then the O-Line has gotten better starting talent, and Tua has looked great when they're healthy. Tua has shown when he has serviceable blocking and missing one or two of his key playmakers (Tyreek/Waddle/Mostert/Achane), he can still win games authoritatively. He has also shown (along with basically every other QB ever) that when the line can't protect him, he looks a lot worse and his stats and chances of winning both drop noticably.

[@papakolea84]

You hit that on the nail! But I think he should be closer to 40m not 50m but he is still playing better than Herbert and he is over payed

[@jahrriwright1706]

Big fact and plus let’s not forget josh Allen was trash before diggs

[@coachYte]

Good point until you ask yourself, how many qbs can perform better in Tua’s current situation

[@darthsadic]

@@papakolea84 Nah, he deserves the 50m Goff and everybody else in that tier is getting, and he will get it.

[@williamko4751]

Blah blah blah. Late season collapse, looked terrible in the playoffs. Enough said.

[@professorzoom4467]

James Need More Air Time Bruh

[@Dipset415]

Skip needs to fire key and steal James shady and ric💯🤷🏿‍♂️

[@chadwickerman]

@@Dipset415 nah just let Skip retire.

[@jamessanders145]

Just because he "shouldn't play without a contract" it doesn't mean the contract has to be for a delusional amount.

[@DenBover-pf7xk]

Surely as a bills fans you'd want them to overpay him and ruin the franchise lol

[@2gunzup07]

He shouldn't play for anything less them 45mill a yea

[@jeanfourcade]

Tua and Miami could do very wll with a Geno Smith type of contract.

All quarterback get paid ridiculous amount it is 50mil like it or not standard rate

[@jeanfourcade]

@@2gunzup07 At this price, Miami better ditch him, play Skylar, tank and build a roster around a talented rookie. Save lots of time and money.

[@austinburnett2129]

I disagree with Shady. He’s like “let’s not forget what he looked like” but why are we acting like Tua wasn’t a baller in college? Dude almost won the Heisman, but was set back by a gruesome injury. He’s a great QB regardless of what they think 💪🏽

[@jeanfourcade]

The only greatness about Tua is the hopes we have for him. So far, especially this year where he played all games, they have not materialized. 2 years under wily McDaniels, and he keeps choking against the big ones (1-6). He is not (yet?) the game changer we expected.

[@ToniKhoury83]

He was throwing the ball to 3, 1st round draft picks vs teams with none. Mac Jones was a Baller for the same team.

[@xavierjones5243]

College is not the nfl Marcus mariotta was like that in college and we see how he turned out

[@ClydeHyde]

Dolfans I love y'all bro and we LOVE our TEAM❤❤❤ But we really as fans gotta separate the player from the team I love tua as a person but I will never let that cloud my judgment for what the team needs to be Superior..... In order to support tour we have to lower our expectations of him and defend them.....just think about that.... We deserve to expect Superior and get Superior....not settle

[@abgodsson1585]

Baker was awesome in college. Doesn’t mean sh!t

[@Lewiswinston22]

When they say who was Tua before hill and waddle they never mention his weapons. Salvon almed, Patrick laird, Lynn Bowden, Malcom perrry, Durham smythe, Mack hollins and Isaiah ford. Most qb would look average with these as your best players not all but most.

[@elgisthomas8791]

Shhh the haters don't want to hear facts

[@trashastrash9722]

dont forget parker... all those people are out the nfl now btw

[@Lewiswinston22]

@@trashastrash9722 yes, Parker, jarkeem Grant, Preston Willams.

[@adrianshields8003]

The more we look at the receivers Tua had when he came to the league it's shocks me he had a winning record in those seasons. He gets better every yr.

[@trashastrash9722]

@@adrianshields8003 literally gets better every year. unfortunately we have too many casual fans

[@robclark8782]

Tua has done special things. Remember coming back against the ravens after being down 3 or four tds to win the game???? I'd say that was special. Over 400 yards and six tds to add to it. Tua is a solid qb

[@tylerdurden9135]

One game. How about all the times he choked last year?

[@maskedman5657]

0:35 Yes Shady. You are tripping. Like always. If you wanna discredit Tua for being a regular QB then you have to discredit Hurts because he looked regular before AJ Brown 😂

[@javarzshinall9396]

He played bad with him

[@michaelmokatsane6250]

I also wanna discredit him for those "Two SBs"😂😂

[@evileyevalaus]

At least he was showing Improvement every year before him and he was a 2nd round QB not 1st they not the same 1 QB has been to the superbowl the other QB can't win a game if it's 45 degrees or less😭🤣🤣

[@neetrab]

@maskedman5657 - wrong

[@dangelobrown87]

Jalen lost his job to Tua in college

[@jonathannaranjo5105]

Hate this narrative that tua wasn’t good before mcdaniels and hill. Meanwhile tua had like a 13-3 record and dolphins pre Mcdaniels were like 0-9 without tua.

@jonathannaranjo5105 he wasn’t and he was always injured. I wouldn’t give him a huge contract. He’s another concussion away from being out. He’s overrated . I can’t wait for the bills to owned him once again without diggs lol.

[@adrianshields8003]

Thank you. If you don't know ask somebody. With no decent receivers before coach came. None of them are in the league now oh yeah the Tightend Mike Gisicki

[@MM-yx5uy]

Why do Shaddy always saying before HILL and MCDANIEL. So was Josh Allen before Diggs. So is Herbert, and they keep changing coach thinking that's the issue. So was Tervor before the current coach and his weapons....and So on

[@HDG_239]

cuz he's a hater.

[@1inchpunisher715]

All those qbs besides Trevor are better than Tua without their weapons, without a doubt lmao

[@kingcold5252]

​@@1inchpunisher715How if they had weapons?

[@lboogk]

Bills was 10-6 and went to the playoffs before diggs it's a big difference

[@ringoflynt]

Josh was Josh without Diggs. Diggs gained more from Josh than Josh did from Diggs. Diggs wasn’t a pro bowler until Josh and probably will not be again

[@mikediao15]

Tua has done more for his team than Justin Herbert.

[@oseokoyo]

Gotta be the dumbest comment under this vid

[@dropssky]

Not really saying anything at all

[@greyyb8860]

Bruh 1st rd exit, 2 years in a row and didn’t play one of those games

[@mikediao15]

@@greyyb8860 well, Justine Herbert is getting beat by 4 interceptions T-Law🤷🏾‍♂️ Josh Allen is only beating Mason Rudolph and back up QB in playoff. So what are we talking about? The difference between Tua and Josh Allen last year was that Tua ran into Mahome first.

[@zacharyharkness8780]

AND TREVOR LAWRENCE

[@BGuggz]

I'm sorry, but Tua HAS proven himself in the cold. Not the -27 degree cold maybe, but look at how he played in the buffalo snow ball. There were 3 perfectly thrown missed catches in the end zone. If any of those were caught or we didn't give up 17 yards on a 3rd down, we win that game. He has answered EVERYTHING that people knocked him for. Is anyone still talking about arm strength? No one except the most extreme Tua haters. Can't stay healthy? Does it. Can't win a playoff game? Can't win the division? That's coming this year. Just watch. Enough with this Tua hate.

[@ToniKhoury83]

If they don't win the division this year, what's the excuse? From a life long Dolphins fan, I want Tua to be the guy too; but he's not. His eyes turn to saucers when the big lights shine. He will never bring this team success where it counts. I hope he proves me wrong though.

[@andreneal2078]

@@ToniKhoury83 yall can have Justin Herbert who never makes the playoffs or you can have Trevor Lawrence who’s over there stinking up the joint. You can have Kyler Murray who’s playing like trash yall need to be thankful. your never gonna get a Patrick Mahomes.

[@ToniKhoury83]

@@andreneal2078 I think you know all three of those QBs would have just as much, if not more, success as Tua with this team. With a successful QB/HC relationship Trevor Lawrence did lead his team to a playoff victory. Tua has his head coach and the best we can do is barely make the first round. I truly believe he has everything needed to succeed and he's shown he can't. We'll see how that works out for Herbert this year, who is getting, a pretty great coach if history is any kind of indicator. Will he step up or do nothing? We'll see this year. And we'll see how Kyler does with a coach that has coached grown men vs college only. I'm not sold on Kyler either, but he's much more dynamic than Tua I would say, if nothing else.

[@TaiLePhan]

Dolphins had trouble beating teams that were over .500

[@williamko4751]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. A good QB is supposed to elevate the team. Not the other way around.

[@jackoneill1336]

Why can’t Tua just get a reasonable contract. He for sure doesn’t deserve to be the next highest player player. But at the same time he’s done a lot for the dolphins and Mike McDaniels seems to like him. Not every QB deserves a contract like what Goff got

[@angrystrong0591]

Because he’s an absolute fraud. He can be replaced with most qbs. Literally no other team would want tua if he were available.

[@Shinobi33]

Agreed. But definitely not the highest paid. Poor guy is one head hit away from never playing again

[@VP20001]

Because he don’t need a contract he could play on his 5th year just like the 2x mvp lamar did

[@Shinobi33]

@@VP20001 he does that and he finishes the year like he did last year and he might lose millions. If he gets seriously hurt again he might not get another contract

[@VP20001]

@@Shinobi33 ima dolphin fan how is that my problem?

[@NickSibz]

Shady and JJ hit it on this one IMO. Tua and TLaw should be very happy with 40-45 mil a yr. They dont deserve the big boy contracts and need the pieces around them.

[@MrBalockaye]

Why would the dolphins pay tua that much when a rookie or fa QB can win with this roster.

[@NickSibz]

@@MrBalockaye That's my point of why Tua should accept that right away, if offered. Lol

[@emmanueldean8822]

@@MrBalockaye do you remember our record without Tua. We can't win.

[@MrBalockaye]

@@emmanueldean8822 I can’t remember 1 win where I’ve thought wow if we didn’t have Tua… while there’s a ton of losses I’ve thought, if we just didn’t have Tua…

[@emmanueldean8822]

@@MrBalockaye his Win/loss record is 32-19 tho.

[@chadparks4841]

Joy looking irresistible😊

[@MichaelBraden-ug2ih]

Meh she looked better before she started trying to look like a white woman

[@BlackSkins-il7ch]

Joy showed that family pride 😂

[@russellpenoyer8180]

Whatever thst means

[@BlackSkins-il7ch]

@@russellpenoyer81806:30 talking about her brother DE Jason Taylor 😂

[@allabouttheu2182]

Not if you ask me

[@JakeJones-t3z]

I love Tua he’s a good quarterback 🧡🩵💯🐬

[@ringoflynt]

Can you win a SB with Tua after you have to get rid of good players because you can’t pay them? He is good no doubt but is he THAT GOOD?

[@acfafxro]

Every qb in the league is a good quarterback then 😂

[@africasupreme3]

Shady ended this video with so much disrespect lol

[@JamesHavlin-ez4gw]

So you don’t think Tua was disrespectful to Fitzpatrick…..smh

[@JamesHavlin-ez4gw]

40 yards after the catch is not a deep ball

[@lilpuppetforchrist4499]

Shady & Joy getting to big for their britches. They love to hear themselves speak.🤮

[@NeruPase]

Never heard them talk about Justin Herbert taking chargers to the super bowl 😂

[@timothypaulino8454]

Love Tua, but i think he shouldnt expect a large payment. Also Tua had one season without Waddle and it was his rookie year

[@jonbeltrami6616]

They sound like they are talking about Dak, except they allllll wanted Dak to get paid. Same complaints about play on the field though

[@ck7cu]

I have a budget for a car….. I ain’t overpaying Mercedes prices for a Toyota

[@sillywabbit3689]

That’s easy to say. There’s a million Toyotas out there, not more than 30 franchise QBs

[@ck7cu]

@@sillywabbit3689 exactly ....he's a dime a dozen....he's a system QB....not what you're referring to as unique.

[@Travis89-ob5tt]

Tampa seems to be the only team that can pull that off. Getting Baker for 30M a year looks like a steal at this point.

[@andrewwilliams5487]

Mercedes don’t hold there value and stay in the shop .. do your homework on Toyota

[@sillywabbit3689]

@@ck7cu it’s really simple , there’s not enough QBs out there. He got the dolphins to the playoffs twice, who knows what would happen last yr if he didn’t get injured. Shady acting like making playoffs is no big deal lol one playoff game is like +100mil revenue to the owners

[@d12polo5]

Tua will win Superbowl watch

[@DadgumBatman]

What they are also failing to mention once you pay him that $50 million it’s gonna be harder to pay their other top athletes and then they are gonna have to rely on Tua to carry that team with lesser talent cuz they can’t afford to pay other players.. and Tua ain’t good enough to carry a team like that

[@kevinluna5164]

THANK YOU 😂, he CANT Carry , the talent on offense Elevates tua , not the other way around

[@javarzshinall9396]

​@@kevinluna5164no quarterback do including Mahomes and Brady

[@rodneyruffin3455]

Just like that with dak bum a$$

[@lexsteele2218]

That's the problem for any QB that's not a rookie

[@jasonbassie1912]

5 years ago, $35 million was the highest paid QB and it didn't cripple the team. 5 years from now it will be $75 million and it won't cripple the team. So $50 million now won't ruin the Phins.

[@nonamephinsyt]

Y'all can't get your facts straight. Nobody tried to trade Tua but Flo. GM and owner have been fully behind Tua the whole time. If you thought Tua was average then you didn't pay attention to details.

[@dewanewelch1744]

Exactly

[@vinkeatin1351]

No Tua and Trevor are better then Daniel jones

[@allabouttheu2182]

It annoys me to the 10th power that joy knows this and never corrects it

[@LeaveItToTheWolves]

Conveniently none of them mentioned that Tua has also been in the MVP conversation for part of the season the last two years also. Also, when they talk about, who was he before Tyreek Hill Tyreek has had career high numbers being with the Dolphins. Again, career high numbers. The most yards he had before playing with Tua was 1,479. His first season with Tua he got 1,710 and last season he got 1,799.

[@demetriusdouglas-davis3552]

Acho murdered shady on this topic

[@CLS_7301]

He went at Hurts kinda harshly 😭 but it was accurate bruh was trash until year 3

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

No he didnt, he further proved he's a brain dead hypocrite

[@jeremybellow9211]

Not really

[@moe8599]

@@CLS_7301 yet he made the playoffs his second year with reagor (BUST) as his number 2 receiver lol

[@Jvnior_20]

⁠@@moe8599yeah and had a heisman at Wr1. So that was irrelevant lol.

[@kalikimaca]

Just remember He came off a serious injury Slowly getting back He'll be better this year

[@ricomart1]

Tua struggled vs teams over .500 last year

[@ONGEES]

Team sport

[@princecheck11]

what about the year before?

[@elgisthomas8791]

Who knew he played defense and punt coverage..

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

​@princecheck11 another losing record against good teams when he actually played

[@elgisthomas8791]

@@StephenNatoli-l6j only lost to the Bills and 49ers that had winning records..

[@rojoloco]

Hard to look anything other than average when your head coach doesn't want you and keeps you hamstrung.

[@martinwalker2501]

0:35 while I don’t think Tua should be overpaid, I also think it’s such a paradoxical argument to say a QB isn’t good because they have weapons. Thats the point of team building and player development

[@jeanfourcade]

True. And the characteristic of a promising QB is precisely to thrive WITH weapons.

[@arman4787]

I hate when people speak on things they don't know about. 1. Tua was supposed to redshirt his rookie season cause he was coming off that nasty hip injury. 2. He had no receivers running backs or offensive his first year, and a rookie jaylen Waddle his 2nd. 3. His coach hated him, which is why he's not there anymore. 4. He played every game last year, so he was healthy 5. Tua has gotten better every year I'm not a Tua stan, I wish we would've gotten Lamar over Minkah in the draft, but give Tua credit. Stop dismissing everything he does. Patrick Mahomes sat his first year and had Andy Reid(Shadys goat coach), Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce. You don't think that accelerated his growth as a QB, he couldn't even read a defense. Imagine Mahomes first season playing he was coming off injury and had a bad coach and no weapons like Tua had his rookie season. (I'm not saying Tua is a better QB)

[@michaelcaffrey1897]

With those weapons they can bring in Tannehlll and do just as well. Maybe better.

[@justinlong5589]

I usually like Shady but come on now Tua was always known as a very accurate QB even before he got Tyreek and Waddle he just came into the league hurt thats why he didnt look as good Shady!!

[@contentm3893]

Tua is not accurate in the NFL game. Every pass has the receiver waiting on the ball. He never leads or throws open his receivers. That's the system they built for Tua. They are betting on the play called and beating the defense and not having Tua beat that defense or throw a lot of picks.

[@CraigC55]

​@contentm3893 Breh. Wtf you talking about guy, Tua put the ball on the spot on the money all year!

[@princecheck11]

@@contentm3893just proved you dk what you talkin about

[@sijackex305]

Bro tua was doing what fitmagic was doing... he is right, people were looking to get tua out of maimi..before tyreek came. Now we can blame a defensive minded HC, but the fact of how the dolphins ended after tyreek went down last year must mean something to you

[@Boogywoogiehimself]

@@contentm3893You just don’t like tua because thats just not true. Acc has been his bread and butter even when we had no weapons.

[@dwightshealey8288]

I love it when people count other people's pockets hopefully when McCoy comes up for his next contract at speak I hope they make him take less money I know he'll be glad to do it

[@Carters2Cents]

Having injury history is even more reason to maximize your money smh these talking heads trippin

[@Joker.9.9.9]

Not if the organization doesn't like you like that..take the max you can get but don't get greedy

[@theliverpoolking2259]

Lol in the Playoff game that they are bashing Tua for Mahomes also looked like garbage but he was playing against a fully injured defense while Tua had to play against a top 2 defense. The conditions just weren’t good for football overall. The score looked bad 26-7 but the actual product was terrible, from both teams. We just forgot how Mahomes looked because they eventually went on to win the Super Bowl but that boy was 23-41, 266 yards, 1 TD. Tua was 19-39, 199 yards and 1 TD. Be so real dawg.

[@blackanimelover18]

It's not just the Chiefs game though, Tua stats against good teams or in the cold are bad.

[@CLS_7301]

26-7 is a beat down shut up with the excuses. Tua doesn’t beat good teams either you don’t pay a QB all that money if they can’t lead you to a win in tough conditions or competition.

[@theliverpoolking2259]

@@CLS_7301 If you’re gonna say Tua doesn’t beat good teams as a reason to not pay him then you can’t use the injuries against him because him not beating good teams was only a last year thing and frankly those games (go back and watch all 7) Tyreek fumbled or dropped sure fire TDs that would have tied, won or put us in position to win those game. Tyreek was way more at fault for those losses than Tua was. After Tyreek’s inability to capitalize that’s when Tua would start to press and make bad decisions and we’d lose those games but Tyreek was more the catalyst for those losses not Tua.

[@CLS_7301]

@@theliverpoolking2259 blaming the WR is crazy 😭 reek was almost a mvp last year nobody thought Tua as

[@Jeads5678]

Mahomes was not garbage. He was moving the ball up and down the field all game and put up 300 yards of offense if you include his 41 rushing yards. He got his team into field goal range all game and it was enough to win cause Tua was significantly worse literally not generating any offense

[@MM-zj4pd]

Tua will get paid. I don't think he should hold out for what it's worth. If Tua isn't paid and he plays, every good game he gets (and we know how good the Dolphins are in the first half of the season) will increase that value

[@quintandf72]

Majority of the players in that offense his first 2 years aren’t even in the league anymore

[@nevillecoley4976]

Yes who would’ve known a QB got better with good receivers and a coach that put him in a system that fits his skill set wow how terrible that player must be

[@mroverdose14]

11:40 Finally somebody said it. I LOVED Flores. Black coach! I wanted to support him but he wasn't the best fit here. Tua was always good

[@BMax0055]

Incompetent leaders, Acho starting to get on my nerves frfr.

[@Vegas_man]

Coaching or lack of Coaching is a factor as well. Other teams have good receivers to help QB's perform. The O-Line is also a factor in performance.

[@mroverdose14]

9:20 Shady you just started watching Tua NOW! He's always been accurate. Processing was never bad but it was slower as a rookie and sophomore which is expected. Tua us the same guy that got back to his Alabama form post injury. He a system QB like Brady but you really think that's bad? Hill has been better with Tua than Mahomes cause of that system. Long story short, Tua BEEN this good. Unless he gets hurt or lose ALL his weapons he'll be bottom end top 5 QB stats and bottom end top 10 QB talent

[@badger3184]

I noticed that Tua gets alot of criticism. I expect the sane for herbert, zack Wilson, kirk cousins. I can go on.

[@jeanfourcade]

You're 100% right. But no, Cousins is deemed "a great businessman". Herbert is stamped "a franchise QB" (whatever that means).

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

​@jeanfourcade cousins also puts up good numbers, and has never had a good defense, Herbert has yet to have a good coach, so he tends to get passes which will end this year

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

And Zack Wilson gets criticized and called one of the worst qbs every timed he's mentioned

[@jeanfourcade]

@@StephenNatoli-l6j Cousins is on par with Tua, but gets far less flak. As for Herbert, I must admit he looks absolutely great. But those next 2years under Harbaugh will be make or break years for his status of star or fake.

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

@@jeanfourcade except he puts up far better numbers, wins more games, gets hurt less, has a worse team around him, and has actually won a playoff game

[@sweetnessdabutta9985]

Nobody is saying Tua shouldnt get paid....they saying he should get Cousins type money...not Mahones type money

[@boltgang6192]

Exactly. He’s one of the only quarterbacks who isn’t considered the best player on the team

[@rogerallen2307]

Joe burrow stay hurt was only good one year in college and has never proven that he special only as good his wideouts but no one said anything gives his average a** a pass

[@dwightshealey8288]

and I love it when all these commentators talk about his tool can stay healthy no quarterback can stay healthy when he's got defensive lineman slamming his head to the turf in a wrestling move like the Bengals did and Milano in the Buffalo Bill game pushed Tua down after the ball was gone and it should have been called a roughing the passer but for some people they don't get that call Brady would.. but not them

[@MarioMontecillo-p2b]

Can't pay him top money...just get a reliable backup quarterback and hope we can squeeze into the play-offs

[@Jaggedcoast2coast]

It’s time for everyone to admit that Justin had a great rookie season and has not had much sense to show for it. TLAW is a good QB why not pay him. Same with Tua. Shady acts like these qbs don’t need a good team around them. Not everyone is Tom, Patrick or Joe. Be realistic bruh.

[@mxaxnxnxyify]

He not constant enough. Great QBs ARE CONSISTENT!! PERIOD...He is nothing special. He folds under pressure. The games that counted. Both times he fumbled the ball.. last year.

[@BobbyWilliams-u2e]

Shady wasn't all that. He was just a average running back and nothing else. So stop ✋️ it. 😮

[@nkodo22]

You must have started watching football yesterday. Any running back that is able to get well over 10000 yards in a career is well over average. Look at all time rushing list and where McCoy ranks. He is most likely going to be in the hall of fame at some point.

[@saeedraymond6193]

@user-cv5fb4uu3v Kid go home and shut up stay out of adult conversations 👍🤡

[@LKS-M9323]

The games played to win games. Tuas Won games even on bad teams, Shady don't know what he talkin about. Also Tua showed more processing before McDaniel got there. These guys sooo clueless. Tua had nothing to work with and 4 different Offensive coordinators before McDaniel got there.

[@russellpenoyer8180]

He's on same page as Lawrence. He should make more then Lawrence but less then goff. Same with dak.

[@speedkills232002]

Why is Acho alway jocking McCoy? We all know Shady's resume, dont need it repeated every show 😂

[@emmanueldean8822]

Shady is a hater. Josh Allen was trash until 14 showed up. Herbert got numbers early but not wins. Burrow had one good year with Chase and company. Go roll Tua's tape before Tyreek he's still accurate, didn't throw many picks and won games.

[@boltgang6192]

They literally tried to trade tua. Can’t say that about the others

[@emmanueldean8822]

@@boltgang6192 they or Flores? They never actually attempted to trade him. The owner wanted to win a SB now and tried to get Brady but never actually attempted to trade Tua.

[@i_tearespect8190]

Marino was super special and couldn't win because he didn't have the complete team. If Marino couldn't do it. No one can.

[@JeremiahJai]

yea, becasue the NFL is exactly the same as it was then. hahaha stop iiitttt!!!

[@Joker.9.9.9]

Marino had a pass happy Team in an era where WRs were getting obliterated BEFORE they even touched the ball...in the air

[@i_tearespect8190]

@@Joker.9.9.9 And somehow Monatana managed to win a few 🤔

[@thomashill3457]

They left out two many things that went against the young man like 3 different offensive coordinators that's 3 different offensive systems

[@LeaveItToTheWolves]

Shady saying he was regular before Tyreek and before McDaniel needs to look at the situation. Tua had a head coach that hated him. Season one he tried to sabotage Tua by playing him before he was fully recovered from the hip injury. Flores basically destroyed the kids confidence by playing then benching him for Fitz multiple times in a season. They also gave him THREE offensive coordinators in his first two seasons. He still had a winning record and is the only quarterback to NEVER lose to a Bill Belichick coached team.

[@polodon2517]

Shady always against players getting payed Tua, Justin Herbert,Dak

[@BobbyWilliams-u2e]

I agree 💯.

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

Yeah, because none of those three deserve massive extensions

[@BluRolla]

This is a bad take by Shady!! Miami woud be foolish not to pay Tua, who would they go get to replace him!!

[@Paulmatthew22]

He's such a clown 🤡

[@yahcrack]

Sometimes with a contract it’s more about the business and fans. Teams just with to sell march, tickets, get TV times maybe get a home playoff game, some of these players are popular with the fans.

[@DoyaTHngMAYNEFFWATtheyLOOKNat]

12:38 yes you can't keep everybody but if you're a good organization you going to drive similar prototypes to replace them the Chiefs drafted Mecole Hartman the year Tyreek Hill got in trouble

[@DoyaTHngMAYNEFFWATtheyLOOKNat]

Josh allen was lookin boo boo b4 digs

[@bakugosrage8976]

Josh Allen made Diggs. 3 questions. How many probowls did Diggs make before Allen? Did Allen take John Brown and Cole Beasley to playoffs? Even without throwing to Diggs being used they get to the playoffs.

[@cedricthorne5843]

Shady n Acho are both haters and changes there view because the producers say too. But Acho has big time hate for Hurts and it shows. How every Tua needs to have a reasonable contract ie Kyler Murry level or range any more then that cripples the dolphins and will have too hit on all picks, trades, free agents coming this year with minimum contract cost. Any higher then what is stated with security players in place then your dolphins are doomed before even getting started

[@tbrauch2017]

Tua is so much better than Hurts!!! Just ask Saban!!!!

[@Stevodz6yb]

You’d think a great like shady would know that almost every qb would need help around them. Tua had almost nobody around him the first 2 years including coaching. I guess we could say Josh Allen should’ve taken a pay cut.

[@IceTreyClips]

what was Jalen hurts before AJ and Smitty? .. like be fr you can say that about almost everybody other than mahomes lol

[@elgisthomas8791]

Mahomes has had Kelce..a glorified WR in a TE position

[@JFKMLK]

Dak went 13-3 in his rookie year, Acho said only Patrick and Lamar had great rookie years, how do these people get on TV 📺 distorting the facts every day

[@CLS_7301]

Think Zeke had 1700 rushing yards g like he went absolutely crazy

[@gwappocapone6538]

They said pat n jackson plays well without number 1 receivers bro

[@Joker.9.9.9]

He said only Pat & LJ can overcome bad offense...Dak had the #1 OLine, #1 RB he wasn't alone

[@gclay3176]

He said Without top help … Dak had Zeke and all pro Dez Bryant but I don’t know why he put Mahomes in there, they were good before him

[@wolfkingt]

Yea Patrick was behind aalex Smith in his rookie year.. but Dak had probably the best team out of the three.

[@jeanpagette5019]

Why pay ahead on an uncertain injury future. Man is not fifty million a year. Sitting out of everything till season start is a recipe to get injured

[@rodneyaparamore]

Tua need to Honor his contract 5 year and prove ur self to earn the pay you are looking for period 🤬🙏

[@broadwayij]

This could cost us 60mil per year… let’s play him then tag him for 38 million…hahah

[@DolphinDave2024]

Maybe McCoy should critique McCoy. He was in back-to-back SB and never played a down.😂

[@miketavares7874]

Get ya money, we the fans, so loyalty is our job.

[@st2v3hayz]

People forget they fired Brian Flores because he didnt want to break rules and he didn't want Tua.

[@alexfleming6304]

They were in the playoffs one of his years there. They had a good defense also. He had a winning record and got fired. They give tua the money and they will Regress. They wont keep half of the guys they have now. The also put up a better fight in the playoffs with a Backup so they need to really think about how much longer they want to be ok or bad.

[@tigersteeth29]

Tua should definitely play. People say it’s bad for teams to wait too long to extend someone because that someone may ball out on their last year and be entitled to an expensive contract. This is Tua’s one opportunity to prove he’s the franchise QB and get paid big.

[@andreneal2078]

The fascination with Justin Herbert, who haven’t done nothing is crazy

[@KK-yy4zs]

Shady is a Hurt guy and will always hate Tua. Tua wasn't great his first two years, but with no weapons and a head coach who did not help develop him, he still had winning seasons. No matter what, Shady will always bring up topics to serve his own narrative.

[@DolphinDave2024]

With due respect. McCoy wasn't all that to be talking about others. You had 6 1000 yd seasons, but only had 2 seasons with double digit rushing TDs.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

if you are getting rid of Tua, who are you getting in return? he’s gonna get picked up by a desperate organization and probably win with him too. name all the QBs before Tua, a bunch of bums. only a few QBs in this year’s upcoming draft will be franchise QBs 1. Tua needs to be glad he has a job and not ask for so much money that others won’t be able to get. think about your teammates. 2. The Dolphins proving why they are currently a poverty franchise

[@damienalston]

The only thing I don't like about shady's pre McDaniels and tyreke hill argument is that this doesn't take into account that Tua was still a young developing qb and he was playing for a coach that was a defensive guy. So I don't think he was getting the best out of tua.

[@kenison8170]

I know that there are pros and cons about this and both sides have good points. I would say that Tua should play because he already getting paid for his upcoming season and he can show Miami his potential for bigger and better things to come, plus, his playing will help Miami see for themselves how valuable he is and that should shut the door on anymore delays plus the QB prices could go higher which will make Tua richer, be there is a caution- that he stay injury free

[@lilpuppetforchrist4499]

Tua is in a good system with lots of weapons. Leverage is a tricky thing.

[@bladeaddison3189]

Exactly Acho! The staff matters! Name a current young QB who's been great without a good coach? Lamar / Harbaugh...Pat / Reid...Purdy / Shannahan ... Hurts / Siriani ... Love / LaFleur ... Burrow / Taylor etc. The QB's that struggle have coaches who aren't equipped to help that player reach his true potential (defensive minded with no real experience developing a QB). I honestly think that's why Josh hasn't taken the next step. Losing Dabol was huge! McDermott is not a QB whisperer. Draft the talent...then have a coach who can truly coach them up and develop them. Sometimes QB's can be saved with a coaching change ... look at the jump Trevor made with Pederson. Why do you think Herbert has faded? Why has Kyler not continued to progress? Coaching matters, and FLO wasn't "him" either.

[@Sunny-tu5ox]

What makes the dolphins situaion sticky is that the weapons you built around Tua are only going to be here for 1-2 years MAX. In the time it would take to develop another QB to work in that system, the system will already have to be overhauled. McDaniel should be the coach for the Dolphins the next 6+ years, but even if he gets paid Tua's got that same 2 year window to get them to a championship game before they need to overhaul and let Mike cook up a new system.

[@christianochoa1279]

The Dolphins haven't even won a playoff game in 23 years and is Tua the guy to break the streak it's looking like a NO right now.

[@LKS-M9323]

He got 1 chance, with his team full of injuries ,in the second coldest game ever aganist the Champs. Yall sound ridiculous 😂😂😂

[@contentm3893]

The Fins were the hottest offense in the NFL and will go deep in the playoffs next year. I'm not sure about Tua though.

[@milesligon5696]

Tua needs to beat winners, like Belichick. Oh wait, Tua is undefeated against Belichick. Nevermind.

[@contentm3893]

@@milesligon5696 What bad Pats team? Ok good job beating a bad team.

[@milesligon5696]

@contentm3893 go ahead and name the other quarterbacks that have an undefeated record vs Belichick, if that is as easy as you make it sound.

[@buckwyld218]

Lamar did, won MVP and it worked out for him..

@buckwyld218 and choked when it mattered. They had the most talented team last year and couldn’t pulled through.

[@tyronerogers9138]

Acho stay givin shady his props 😂

[@HDG_239]

"put another qb in there" lets see how did they do when teddy 2 gloves and skylar started?

[@jeanfourcade]

Skylar finished the job Tua couldn't finish (straight losses to SF and GB) in 2022.

[@jubilantsquirrel9040]

The carpeting that Nick does for Lawrence is wild especially compared to how he approaches someone like Hurts.

[@chadwickerman]

If Tua can get a Kirk Cousins contract offer he should take it and be happy.

[@jeanfourcade]

I was thinking more along the lines of a Geno Smith type of deal.

[@AudleyDean]

Tua had prove that he can roll with the best of them .

[@ZAKUMBA-j3q]

Explorer options...is smart

[@travisfraley4030]

Shady is a dolphin hater always has been

[@calex_92]

But when it's Dak and The Cowboys it's a problem huh?.. " I agree with Shady"

[@KyPhin502]

The Tua hate is getting out of control...yall got to stop!!!! Led The League In Passing!!!!!

[@DaGreat52]

He hasn't won anything, he doesn't deserve a max contract!!!!! Now maybe 35 million a year would be good for him

[@samuelsandate9804]

​@@DaGreat52Like more than half of the QBs that are getting paid big money. I heard Trevor Lawrence is about to get like 50 million dollars a year and he only has 1 playoff win.

[@Bigotes1775]

Sam Howell was also leading at one point. Now, he's a QB2 in Seattle.

[@Sportshorts_22]

He’s average

[@CaribbeanSports84]

Did Herburt deserve the money he got???​@@DaGreat52

[@hannibalwrecktor5506]

Shady is the master of the evolving argument. lol..

[@intalek305]

I think people missing the biggest reason not to pay him yet. Tua had an issue staying healthy and bulked up in the offseason and he stayed healthy all year. Now he's talking about how he "slimmed down" and lost all that weight again. Nah. Prove you can stay healthy like that first. The whole year.

[@jeanfourcade]

he just did that.

[@intalek305]

@@jeanfourcade your point?

[@jeanfourcade]

@@intalek305 You said Tua has to prove he can stay healthy. Tua did just that, stay healthy for 18 games, in 2023.

[@intalek305]

@@jeanfourcade Right, because he put on weight last year and he stayed healthy. This year he lost all the weight again, so now I really need to see him stay healthy, because last time he was at that weight he couldn't. So I definitely don't give him a deal until he proves he can stay healthy at his new lower weight, because he never could before.

[@jeanfourcade]

@@intalek305 Gotcha.

[@jctslice]

We can make this same argument about Josh Allen and Hurts without Diggs and AJ Brown. Josh was ok without Diggs, but nowhere near this freakazoid we see now. Hurts was downright awful without Brown. It ain't just Tua. The majority of QBs are going to be worse without high caliber weapons. It's a TEAM GAME. No qb is balling by themselves

[@neetrab]

Just a dumb comment. How did Hurts get the team to the playoffs if he was "downright awful without Brown"??? 🙄

[@jctslice]

​@@neetrab bro, use some common sense and critical thinking lmao. The man did not have a great year if you watched all the games. The team won enough games to make the playoffs anyway, but he did NOT have a great season by any means. That extended out to the playoffs too where he was destroyed in Tampa where he again played awful

[@ricblic901]

Don't matter Shady Tua will want top QB money, that means he will be the highest paid QB until the next QB signs.

[@tavonburns3905]

U sound crazy lol If dolphins do that they're crazy

[@AaronJohnism]

Shady just lost a friend vehemently bashing his neighbor. Acho was making his points with facts, and it just enraged this guy.

[@Kevin-qf3up]

Tua the MVP pay the man