Should We Assume The Simulation Has Already Been Created?

[@EyezaGotSKILLZ]

Can someone create a simulation where Joe understands this guy’s goddamn point?

[@recostume3578]

Hahaha... yes, please.

[@amiracleone2803]

Lmao good one.

[@LJ7000]

Bostrom is wrong though, its not more likely, in fact, its near impossible. Also, you cannot base your simulation possible future world on OUR current technology, it's incoherent. .

[@McShane1996]

Plot twist: There's hundreds of simulations, each one created to try and make Joe understand this guy 😂

[@BasedChadman]

Maybe his theory is absurd, and Joe is far too wise to be cucked enough to believe it wholly.

[@glennsmooth]

Typical Joe thinking he’s the original Joe and not a simulated one.

[@antongarzon]

Y Think Joe ,sometimes goes too far .,Full of Nonsense.,simulation my ASS!!

[@awdrifter3394]

Maybe the base reality Joe created this simulation to amuse himself.

[@TheLukas59]

haha good one :D

[@MrX-qo5wb]

Well like he said there is no proof so why assume even if it is the more probable situation there is still the possibility that its not and with no evidence of it being that we are in a simulation we cant just say we are cuz its more probable

[@ji-di7zr]

@@MrX-qo5wb you don't get it. The problem is that the chances of being in the real world is infinity small. There is only one real world. There is infinite simulations because if one simultation is even possible there is infinite. because if it is possible to make one it will repeat. The evidence is that you can't draw evidence from our reality because you would not be able to tell you're in a simulation. Therefore you gamble are you the 1st or the infinite rest?

[@iracohen8376]

Joe sounds like Buzz Lightyear not believing Woody that he's a toy.

[@crunchy1547]

he sure looked like buzz lightyear when he had the nasa suit on a while back.

[@mrtambourineman6107]

He did look a little like an astronaut in a recent episode 🐒

[@AmandaDoyle]

Ira Cohen this is profoundly insightful 👌🏽

[@CarpeNoctem135]

I’m fuckin done hahahahaha

[@tkeery5]

Shit man... I thought Joe was like this enlightened cat. Has he honestly not considered the possibility that the simulation he may or may not be in could fabricate his parents, biology, the microphone he is speaking into, etc? Also, has he not considered the concept that the simulation he/we are in could be somewhat similar to the OG history (cuz, u know it’s like a safe bet or whatever)? Or maybe the opposite... Maybe this is the newest iteration of the simulation and that this feeling of being somewhat close to a philosophical awakening is the most effective way for a simulation to prevent Matrix-style vigilantes from wearing frayed cable-knit sweaters and throwing around catch phrases like “whoa” and “I know Kung-Fu”. Did Sober October start early this year?

[@marjimhip8487]

Joe is Super Mario trying to understand the concept of multiple Nintendos.

[@stelioskomni7810]

Nice

[@therealDannyVasquez]

Yeah, that... and a bit of Mario not understanding why Toad keeps repeating the same lines of dialogue over and over

[@HEMPNHOPPIN]

Bro 😂 I cant unsee Joe as supermario now xD

[@grethen123]

ahaha

[@Raggandrist]

Perfect distillation of the argument. 👌

[@lights369]

I've never wanted to step in so badly in my life

[@dustinperdue1830]

No shit! Lol same

[@stevtunes5677]

I feel this comment bro

[@fedism]

shit sounded stupid af

[@Martopikeur]

Haha so true... For both of them actually. Joe is being uncharistically thick here, and bostrom makes a really poor job at explaining his reasoning in words that make sense to the average joe (hehe). I would summarize it like this: IF we assume that creating a simulation that can replicate our current experience is potentially possible (in the past, present or future), then it is much more likely that we currently live in such a simulation than in the "original one" (the source of all other simulations, which doesn't have to be a "place" or "earth reality" either, by the way)

[@RyanBaker007]

Why did this guy introduce the idea that there's a simulation for each person? The concept is befuddled enough as it is. And wouldn't we ALL be in the simulation? Does he think that some people are real and others simulated? Which does he think HE is? Let me guess.... He thinks he's real, lol...

[@RookiesRookie]

There are a million Joe Rogans not understanding this

[@coolbreez1214]

But only 1 hilarious comment, like this. Thanks for the laugh

[@coolbreez1214]

No there's only one according to Joe... But when we finally get around to simulating everything, we're going to fix this moment. Otherwise we'd freeze up the computer (supercomputer).

[@cliffordlevy3918]

Nice

[@Bigbrunibelow]

RookiesRookie best comment yet 🤣

[@juliehirsh1436]

Michael Thornton u are so funny!! Eddie Bravo would so love these comments. You know his ass is woke and he’s already simulated his simulation I’m assuming!!

[@bryanc182]

This man has the patience of a single father with a 4 year old child who asks the same question over & over

[@jake_elwood]

And he keeps answering it the same way hoping Joe will understand.

[@danielstone9978]

I wish I had a father like that

[@dyslexofficial2798]

@@danielstone9978 i wish i had a father

[@anthonydentice8180]

So hard to watch when joe responds and its so obvious joe dosent get the point. . .

[@3rdJose]

Never actually answers the question

[@orangejuiceyomama]

Bostrom: *Expains himself for the millionth time* Joe: listen, I completely understand what you’re saying BUT isn’t it possible.. Bostrom: *Starts to ponder whether he himself is in a simulation doomed to repeat himself until the end of time*

[@rhodesianhunter9360]

Lmfao 😂😂😂😂

[@CtrlAltThe1337]

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this lol

[@civiccc]

Dumamu I've come to bargain

[@rogerestima538]

What did i just watched...

[@kgwilltv3880]

@@civicccunderrated comment here ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@s.waldron8532]

Joe really doesn't want to be in a simulation lol.

[@OmegaMouse]

@jay You're God-Damn right he is.

[@kidcudi908]

but joe is right, theres is no hardcore evidence, its just words with this theory

[@DimensionDevices]

It's driving me fucking nuts.... It's like he's just arguing for the sake of it. Numbers are fucking numbers Joe. "I would put more probability on..." That's not how probability works... Jesus fucking Christ. I thought Rogan was intelligent... Edit: I'll break it down in layman's terms... IF we COULD create simulations in the future, WOULD WE? Answer: Yes. Therefore, we could BE IN ONE RIGHT NOW no?

[@JakesOnline]

@@kidcudi908 A simulation may not simulate evidence of the existence of simulations.

[@cardquest2118]

Lmao ikr

[@mindsurfer101101]

I think this is proof of the simulation. This was a loop glitch 🤣

[@RafaelTopgunStudios]

mindsurfer101101 it definitely felt as so hahah

[@richierevak8516]

7:03

[@ihaveguts]

I laughed so much at this 😅😅

[@ferencszabo3504]

Or Joe is skipping the beat

[@EadsJasper]

lol, yes.

[@notryan1502]

Joe is desperately trying to avoid an existential crisis

[@Dev-In-Denver123]

I agree

[@samuelprice7008]

It very well may have been a rabbit hole he’s gotten lost in, but it’s also not good to have one sided existential conversations, in my opinion.

[@Dark_WoIf]

Joe should watch berserk.. I'd love to hear his opinion on it

[@fedism]

Joe was trying to get this guy to wake up.

[@angryasianwaitercineplex5373]

@@fedism ...you mean "woked". Joe wants this guy to be wokededed like he is.

[@maxmaham]

Lol you know joe’s brain is broken, when he asks the same exact question a thousand times. Nick has excellent patience 😂

[@missionpupa]

You would think all; that DMT would help him understand the simulation theory.

[@sn0_]

yea fr its frustrating lol @@missionpupa

[@ShortFuseFighting]

yeah but in all honesty, hes not good at dumbing it down in clear terms for him. i'd get him to understand it in a minute.

[@grasont9582]

I thank joe has good patience nick can’t answer the question correctly😵😵

[@moneybilla]

​@@missionpupa lmfao any sane person would think all that dmt fried his brain, not helped it and this vid has to be proof it did😂😂

[@jacobg3490]

Its not Joe’s fault the simulation is broke and he keeps asking the same question

[@Arthem6]

@@CBT5777 no its because some people are just apes and its impossible to break down the probability metrics simply enough for them to understand.

[@Arthem6]

@@CBT5777 no shit. just accept the fact you are probably in a simulation. no one is saying you are. or is that beyond your limited capability?

[@Arthem6]

@@CBT5777 if you don't even understand that absolutely basic concept "what are we simulating" well I ain't wasting my time. let me know if / when you have basic knowledge

[@Preacher_.]

Cyber Punk Rogan 2077

[@HkLY45]

The guy isn't making a point. He isn't addressing Joes question at all. Ignoring it completely.

[@QuestMode]

I already suspected that Nick Bostrom was one of the smartest people on the planet. Now I also know he's one of the most patient.

[@dazparkin]

Agreed!

[@michael-ti8jy]

Loooooooooollll

[@aWondrousMind]

Lmfao

[@fedism]

how tf is this guy the smartest in the planet? This theory sounds absurd.

[@BMac420]

@@fedism ????????? you must be like joe, u dont understand.if simulations are possible and it is desireable to create them. then the odds we are in the base reality are 1 in the number of simulations that will ever be created. simple

[@jaymalavia]

1) I opened the video 2) instantly understood his point 3) skip 30 minutes joe “I still don’t get it”

[@amiracleone2803]

I want to have Joe Rogan next to me for all deep existential debates. The way a pretty girl surrounds herself with ugly girls and boom she is gorgeous. Same concept applies Joe is making me look like AI level genius with this podcast.

[@wiidlbeetle3857]

Yeah, I like Joe but he’s kind of a dumdum sometimes

[@wiidlbeetle3857]

@Ay4 lol yep, I’ve done psychedelics and I’m still really dumb.

[@jackrogers1115]

@Ay4 I get what you mean. But joe knows hes of average Intelligence and he quite overtly talks about it. He calls himself "smart dumb" because that's exactly what he is. Psychedelics only do so to your psyche but he knows they dont improve ones IQ.

[@dankhalifa6937]

@@jackrogers1115 wtf no, he means he knows alot but not everything to the end

[@funnybusiness6491]

Joe was just thinking about it wrong. He didn’t realize that his base reality option was already accounted for in Bostrom’s scenarios.

[@josephquinn2881]

Yea to even start the probability we have to assume we know nothing lol, why can’t he understand this

[@richie9878]

Rumor has it that Joe was supposed to be Neo but Morpheus got tired of trying to explain the matrix to him

[@stuartaustin8130]

This should definitely be a missing scene on the matrix blu ray

[@TwoStacks217]

That's hilarious 🤣

[@coniccinoc]

I read this comment months ago. Rewatching the video again and again laughing at this comment. omg, I am an npc 😱

[@bobomonkey702]

@@coniccinoc Or maybe it’s a glitch in the matrix that brought you back to these two experiences lol.

[@coniccinoc]

@@bobomonkey702 lol, I like the way you think but my life is so boring, it means I am a battery or I am an npc. I like boring btw, this is not tragic, I avoid drama.

[@braulioneira]

This is the first time Joe Rogan made me feel smarter than him.

[@DystopianOwl]

The first time?! You're probably much smarter than him.. Don't sell youself too short!

[@mikeclem1]

@Rudolf Adler te envita why would you think we would be In control of the simulation? Maybe, like laws of physics , there is/are laws of the simulation. Maybe there is a purpose beyond just randomly simulating the universe/life. Joe isn't smarter than the guest . Joe just isnt getting it. The guests point is, if there ever is a simulation , the odds of us not being simulated are preposterously low. Theres only 1 non simulation , and essentially infinite simulations.

[@yoooyoyooo]

@Rudolf Adler te envita There could be a milion of reasons why even we would make a simulation just like this one. One of the reasons may be that suffering makea us wake up. Like for example we wake up when we have a nightmare. It's the lack of imagination that makes you think what you think.

[@LuisGarcia-hb5ec]

michael clendenen good explanation

[@HejLala]

@Amthehardest and who's even to say that our simulation engineer is human at that

[@sonicbuddha8993]

Joe is simulated to disagree that we are in a simulation

[@PandemoniumPirateRadio]

The way he rejects Simulation actually makes me feel like he is the prime example of a Zombie who has nothing inside and is therefore evidence of this being a Simulation. He looks and sounds like a person but there is nothing really there. Nick broke his programming 😂 And NPC Joe can only repeat "Who goes there?"

[@jumpingeezus5080]

Resistance is futile!

[@SirWalterSansRien]

I think people like Joe because he's normally quite capable of nuance, but his brain really shut down here

[@oisintaylor3382]

With patience like this…. I am not surprised this guy has thought his way through thousands of possibilities and come up with a concise argument on the possibility of simulation. I always new patience was a special gift but seeing it in action here shows the full power of it.

[@Abard3480]

Hahaha

[@jim5392]

Absolutely spot on he seems like a really smart guy whose obviously put the time into this

[@dilloncroom]

This was hands down the most annoying conversation I’ve ever listened to

[@therecklessengineer5796]

I have a headache

[@ivanmorales3265]

Fucking horrible. The guy telling Joe what to say really doesn't want this guy talk

[@searchingforpennies]

I'm 2:30 in and im already scanning the comments to see if anyone else is annoyed.

[@ColdintheSheets]

on god

[@garywest2250]

It's so bad! He won't let the guy explain it bc he's incapable of understanding the theory behind it. I bet his 7th grade science teachers were faced with a lot of obtuse questions.

[@OK-nz8qf]

Whoever simulated rogan he really made sure he won't find out

[@aaronfly1649]

Freaking a, I love you man. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewmashburn2215]

Hahaha this is the funniest comment... yeah.. the creator must have hidden algorithm upon algorithm upon algorithm.. so on and so forth.... needless to say hes not getting out the matrix this lifetime lol

[@zepikcuellar805]

@@matthewmashburn2215 yup I'm out this bitch!!!

[@MrAvidLearner]

Lol… perfectly executed

[@blohnnie7395]

I remember listening to this screaming in the truck like wtf joe

[@SampoStudnut]

this is probably the funniest video i've ever seen. both sides have absolutely no clue what is happening inside the others head

[@Gnaah]

Exactly

[@briantollett6436]

yeah this hurts a little

[@Nayr747]

@@KermitsBadFurDay Joe isn't smart. He's curious but he's kind of an idiot. People like Bostrom are thinking WAY outside of Rogan's capabilities and it shows painfully here.

[@deviantaffinity1626]

Spot on!

[@mcdiesel7505]

He does, joe doesn't. He's saying its more probable we are in a simulation than not, because it would be more likely you are in one of the sims than being the initial. Joe looking at it like its 50 - 50. Odds favor we are in simulation more than not.

[@AviaVistas]

It is reassuring to know that there is at least one simulation in which Joe gets it the first time

[@darrollarnold4321]

😂😂

[@WhyFacetattoos]

Joe you are missing the point so hard.

[@sidewinder2057]

And this guy is bad at explaining the idea. If we have 2 outcomes: simulations aren't happening, or they will happen sometime in the future. In the SECOND case MOST likely we are in one now. BUT. What is the probability of the first 2 outcomes "happening/not happening"? 50/50? 99.9/0.01? What are the numbers? What are they based on? He gives an example of coin toss which is 50/50. Do we have numbers for simulations? Of course we don't!

[@neo2190]

@Justin Walsh woke brah

[@zionsky6578]

Lol can't ww2 be a simulation? Couldn't our entire history from the birth of the star be a simulation lol talk about assuming while he is literally assuming that because it happened in the past it must mot be simulated??? Eh

[@AM-db2uf]

@@sidewinder2057 I think the guy is so smart...he can't bring it down to Joe's level or find a common point of understanding. I think his answers make sense, and the professor is in a state of "I don't know how to make this more simple than I already have stated" because the answer/explanation is already in its simplest form.

[@sidewinder2057]

@Kyle H Exactly. All we have - are guesses and probabilities are unknown.

[@OptimusPrime-dz9md]

They are still having this discussion to this day

[@quqqi123]

In my simulation they just finished

[@samattwood6748]

TO THIS DAYYYYY!

[@mr.mysterious7940]

Joe “I’m not a simulation” Rogan

[@jessecizauskas2665]

lol!

[@juliehirsh1436]

Mr. Mysterious Joe doesn’t get the comments either. LOL

[@DirtySouthFlorida3]

Can someone z explain these joe is bla bla rogan comments ? How kt started and why?

[@StoneyVision]

It's either A. Who ever looped this video is a master editor B. You're having a bad trip and starting to loop, or.. C. we're in a simulation

[@darrollarnold4321]

😂😂

[@glenstolburg1401]

Joe "i dont understand probability" Rogan

[@Calilou52]

Joe Rogan

[@ColtonPhillips]

He really outed himself by saying "I would rather believe"

[@user-ik5ze1sh7i]

@@ColtonPhillips correct after that it's just pure ego and bubble talk, instead of acknowledging he didn't understand the concept and asking for guidance he brings the conversation into a loop

[@userjim83]

Joe” I don’t have an opinion on this” Rogan Cough cough...

[@RubenYebran]

Hahahah

[@tonyrandalljonesmead]

Joe's mind recoils in horror at the possibility that he's not Joe Prime.

[@Zaptrap401]

Woah there's a more *ALPHA* Joe Rogan than the Joe Rogan of our simulation. wait our simulation or my simulation? or your simulation? 🤯

[@TSTD_Punisher]

@@Zaptrap401 Yes

[@mariloth511]

shit has me rolling thank you

[@ikaros4203]

BRO LOL

[@MrX-qo5wb]

No i think he gets it just wants to see it in the eyes of maybe being the prime and not a simulation because we don’t hv proof that we are in one so maybe just maybe what if we are not, despite the odds of that being true

[@Alorand]

Joe's ego is having a hard time fitting inside the simulation.

[@SignalCorps1]

Mic drop

[@benhowell5790]

Yeah my ego's having none of it either

[@WastingTimeHandle]

but bruh that's the secret to escaping the simulation bruhhh manifest the ego as a source of energy and exert it upon the boundaries of that synthetic reality and then boooooom, #WeFreeNow 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@missie.ann.317]

☝️☝️this guy knows what's up!

[@srirachachacha]

I realized after about 10 minutes that I was getting a little frustrated listening to Joe say the same thing over and over again. Then I realized that I was only 1/3 of the way through a 30 minute video.

[@stevenessenberg9292]

Just because we are at the spot in the timeline where a simulation hasn't been produced yet, doesn't mean we weren't in a simulation the first place

[@Grittydame]

Steven have you looked into the ARCHAIX simulation theory. Very impressive arguments backed by TRUE HISTORY research. If not, I highly recommend you check it out.

[@funkybrownmonkey]

“In this simulation, let’s make Joe Rogan unable to do thought experiments!”

[@kodo936]

This guy was so nice, and kept his calm really well when Joe didn't understand for half an hour.

[@PassportAdam]

How does Joe Rogan say he has done dmt and not understand this?

[@embecmom5863]

There is nothing to understand its such bs... Joe was right

[@animefreak3010]

@@embecmom5863 no he is clearly not. In fact I've always considered his intelligence average of above average. Now I question that and your intelligence.

[@animefreak3010]

@Bucket with a face on it I've always considered his intelligence average or above average. After watching this I question his intelligence and yours.

[@tmlawson751]

@@animefreak3010 man, ty, lololol "base reality"... talk about being triggered by a HYPOTHETICAL THOUGHT EXPERIMENT that could probably never be definitely proved

[@10Rmorais]

Joe: why would we assume Nick: probability Joe: but why would we assume?

[@elel9640]

And his insistence on this 33% probable option being the correct one of his proposed 3 probable options is where he loses the vast majority of people. So the question remains; if there are 3 probable options in his theory, why does anyone of them become more probable than the other 2? The genius never adequately explains the very important *why* of his assertion.

[@lukeb3435]

True. The other guy doesn't do a good job of explaining it but if Rogan simply had a copy of the assumptions on a piece of paper I think he should be able to figure out how stupid he sounds.

[@elel9640]

@@lukeb3435 apparently you caught something many of us did not, so maybe you can point me to where in the video it is that Nick explains why that 1 of 3 possibilities is the one he gets to insist is the most probable?

[@LucTemetNosce]

There's no need to assume anything based on probabilities.

[@swampythang7182]

If we create a realistic simulation, then the people inside our simulation would believe they are living a completely real life. They wouldn’t ever think that a simulation was possible until they became technologically advanced to the point where they could create their own sort of simulation to provoke such a thought. Much like where we are now. Maybe we did win the 1 in a million chance that we aren’t in a simulation, but maybe we didn’t. A betting man would put his money on that we are in a simulation. That’s only if such a realistic simulation is even possible. Though with the progress of tech in our reality, it seems that it could be very possible in the future.

[@kylegoolsbygcl]

I started this video thinking this poor man’s sentence would just have to be reiterated two or three times for Joe to get it. I’m now 24 minutes in this video and at this point I’m crying with laughter. Hoping Joe will understand soon. Going to update once I make it further 😂😭 Update: Joe never understood it

[@sullisen]

THANK YOU! I'm 8 minutes in and contemplating if this goes on the rest of the video and if so I could somehow give myself an aneurysm to stop the pain.. Now I can exit the video in peace knowing no significant conversation is missed, instead of start throwing shit through the room in rage..

[@enricofriske1696]

Thank you I will stop at 3 minutes in. ❤

[@reneej7594]

I’m 20 minutes in and in the comments! it’s hurting my brain. I’m trying to explain it Joe as I shout at my phone in the background like he can damn hear me!!! 😂

[@jeffreid3341]

Bro your comment was 💯🤣🤣

[@Eli370]

JOE : i don't have an opinion on this topic also JOE : *asks 100 times the same question and does not give a shit about the lads point*

[@JonnyLawrence]

Lost patience and decided to see the comments. Wasn't disappointed lol

[@radicalfunkyfresh]

same here

[@Cappurniggas]

#MeToo And Epstein didn't kill himself.

[@andrefreeman4512]

Jonny Lawrence SAME bro 😂. I had to see if I was the only one lol

[@miechelleantoinette]

lol mee too!

[@USMFAN1996]

Literally exactly what I’m doing right now about 10 minutes in

[@mrsmanager856]

Nick Bostrom’s patience is astounding. This was painful to witness.

[@swampythang7182]

Mrs Manager, to be fair, he did a pretty bad job of explaining it to Joe. Bostrom could’ve just explained it by saying at some point in time we will be able to have millions of realistic simulations running. Why would we assume that we aren’t one of the millions? The simulation would be indistinguishable from reality so there is no real way of knowing if this life is real or simulated. Maybe our history was simulated. Maybe all of our memories were simulated and the simulation started yesterday. Maybe time is going by at 2x faster then the speed outside of the simulation so we progress much faster than outside of the simulation. The probability is in favor of us being in a simulation, but then again, the odds of winning the lottery are pretty damn low, but someone’s gotta win it. Either way, this video was 2 guys repeating themselves for 33min so really, we are the ones with patience to watch the entire thing XD.

[@thurmanmurman6272]

Yeah Swampy Thang, this dude is pretty committed to being misunderstood. I don't think it's patience. I think this guy is getting off on Joe's confusion

[@1060michaelg]

@@swampythang7182 Fantastic comment!! That's what I was saying in a clumsy way with my "If there were one million scraps of paper in a bowl, how confident would Joe be that he'd pick out the ONE scrap with his phone number on it?""---comment. Yours much more expansive. Could there have been a slight language barrier, I wonder? Joe isn't usually this slow to the gate.

[@swampythang7182]

@@1060michaelg , that is a great simple analogy. I think Joe was probably trying to play "devil's advocate" like he normally does. Just, in this case, devils advocate turned into repeatedly saying "Why would we assume we're in a simulation?" Because that really is the only argument you can make against us being in a simulation. Bostrom couldn't answer that question because there is no answer at all. The best answer would be "All we can do is look at the statistics and make an educated guess."

[@1060michaelg]

@@swampythang7182 Thanks, You nail it squarely saying "There is no answer at all." Absolutely correct. Bostrom was trying to get across concepts like; Being INSIDE, we have no objectivity---it's all subjective. A Quantum scientist and probability mathematics people would grasp easily, 'How do we KNOW a mile is a mile? What does it really mean? Just because Joe wakes up and eats, sees his car outside the window, he has no proof that THIS is not the first day of another simulation?'" Put another way: Every second is a new frame in the "Time Game", so we are all actually are living tiny Quantum bits at a time. I hope I didn't muddy the water, but your words made me dig a little deeper.

[@stevenessenberg9292]

I'm surprised that Nick didn't catch on to why Joe didn't understand this. I get where Joe is coming from. But he's not getting the point that just because the simulation hasn't been invented in this reality now, we are saying that if a civilization had the means to eventually create one, they would, and if they did, there would be simulations within simulations within simulations, and you wouldn't know if you were in one of the simulations and are just on the part of the timeline of that simulation where the simulation hasn't been created yet. But the fact that we are in a simulation where our place in the timeline of such simulation is such that they haven't invented it yet doesn't mean that we are not in the simulation in the first place.

[@fillbrin]

Another possibility I see is Joe might be thinking in a simcity video game scenario, or black mirror scenario, where the 'simulation' is just here and now out of nowhere and no time. Nick could clarify that a planetary/universe-size simulation would consider all the stages of our evolution, including all the development of science, technology, etc.

[@dchibe]

This video is proof that Jamie does not give a FUCKK lol

[@dwntwn9221]

Please explain this? What does he have to do with the conversation?

[@jun1orbaitor44]

@@dwntwn9221 Did he step in and try to help??! For 30 fucking minutes he let these two run in a circle. Maybe he was shopping for high heels, who knows

[@tophadam9616]

Douglas Chibe duddddee!! Jamie was letting him hang out to dry after joe gave him the stfu look for butting in on the elliptical comment!

[@weedandweedy]

Jamie didn't step in and help because our flames gave him PTSD

[@johnantoine1477]

Legend has joe is still asking this question repeatedly in different tones

[@llChrisTjll]

A simulation we should, and thankfully did, cut short.

[@fallonvennell2649]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mikeychch]

It's 3 years later. Joe Rogan is now making grunting noises, and drooling. Nick Bostrom is still patiently trying to get Joe to make sense of the simulation theory.

[@privatejoker5062]

Snap out of it, Joe. He answered the question 10 times. This is painful to watch.

[@tomleeming3135]

This is so difficult to watch. Joe is awful in this segment. Hope he can address this.

[@jmal529]

I don't know how I made it through this conversation more than once. It's like the simulation theory version of Who's on First

[@lucidity910]

"I understand exactly what you're saying," Then says something demonstrating he obviously doesn't. This was painful to watch...

[@ez_company9325]

@@sonnet1117 this is the worlds leading expert on simulation theory. Out of the 2 of them, who is more likely to be an idiot?

[@ez_company9325]

@@sonnet1117 Also... Joe is stuck on a stupid ass island. They cant even progress in the conversation because he refuses to get on the boat.

[@natehedgeman]

This is the funniest post because it’s true.

[@GhostOfBillCooper]

What's funny is, Joe was like this in the original reality too. Unfortunately this was just as painful, even if it was simulated.

[@glovinin]

w

[@davidmoss2576]

Elon Musk said it best. If we reach a point where we can create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality, the chance of us being in base reality is close to zero.

[@scottsherman5262]

First of all, I disagree that being able to do it means that most likely it'd be done. Why? Why would such an advanced tool/people decide to simulate "us"? It would be so costly regardless of the era/tech, it just doesn't make any sense to do so. Why would it be us...what would make that worth the costs? But much more importantly & more definitively, I think, is the fact that it's very likely not possible to come anywhere close to simulating just one consciousness, let alone our entire universe. Our universe is likely quite efficient, quite elegant, so it's likely that the most efficient form of our universe is our universe, & that simulating it would be more difficult/expensive (in every sense of the word) than our actual universe's creation & evolution was/is. The staggering data involved doesn't approximate something like a hyper-advanced video game...say a video game 70 years from now that focuses on recreating with great realism our everyday lives; it's rather data on the level of...well, impossibility, & it's interesting that so many brilliant folks don't see this straight away & dismiss it on that alone - though many do...& they're correct, I believe. It's super fascinating though David, I agree on that!

[@matthewhagglund7867]

@@scottsherman5262 Few points. 1. A simulation would be expensive - Yes, for us. But imagine a Type 4 civilization. Humans have already developed fission (which uses rare materials), when we develop fusion (can use hydrogen - think about how much H20 is in the ocean) we will create way more energy with a fraction of the mass. We’ll be able to create Dyson spheres to capture the energy of stars. Energy is not a complete field. 2. Would we want to? - I don’t know. We are making the meta verse though. 3. Think about physics - Everything in the universe is a formula, whether we know the formula or not. From quantum mechanics to space-time to developing consciousness. It does appear we could be a complicated version of reinforced learning (program used to develop AI - create environment and let characters roam who learn based on reward systems)

[@romeomarquezguzman]

But why?

[@DbDBlackJack]

@@scottsherman5262 a species that would create nuclear weapons and do a vast multitude of things that shouldn't have, but did, would run it. I think the question is, if they did, would they run a sim that mirrored their reality? I think we would simulate things that never happened, not the same.

[@thaiphrasestoknow9214]

@@scottsherman5262 expand ur mind. It wouldn't be us, ever. It would be level 3 beings doing it for their own educational purposes. We're the ants.

[@IMAKEKHAOS]

Year 2100. We run 1 million simulations. We Set the clock to 2019. This moment plays out and joe rogan still doesn’t get it

[@andyisdead]

Why do you think "this moment" isn't already year 2100 or even after?

[@IMAKEKHAOS]

Ander Son the crazy thing is your right, it could be after the year 2100, and I am writing this in 1 of a million simulations

[@fillbrin]

Actually the only reason the primes are still running simulations is for Joe Rogan to understand it. Every other question in the multiverse has been answered, every problem has been solved.... This Joe Rogan character still doesn't get it.

[@soule187]

"Say you have two pieces of bread." JOE: "But why wouldn't I be holding the bread in the real universe?"

[@jjkenobi33]

"No evidence of a simulation". Does Joe think people in a simulation would immediately know they are in one? That would mean a failed simulation.

[@nonyabidness7911]

Joshua Nelson huh? That doesn’t answer the question tho. How can you know something is fake without an original point of reference?

[@teamatfort444]

or just part of the simulation!

[@JuanIII]

You know how a pixel is an artifact of representational data structures? What do people think fractals and atoms are?

[@JuanIII]

I guess you may not realize the evidence is there if you're used to it.

[@nonyabidness7911]

Vermin Supreme no....comparison works with two different things. Throwing your hands up and saying “well odds are” is not science

[@detpistons4l401]

Poor guy didn’t know what he signed up for

[@NotRealPhil]

Joe “How Much DMT Can I Smoke In The Simulation” Rogan

[@ntactime_w3488]

You know thr meme is dead when you make up bullshit and dont pull from the video like you should

[@IWario1]

Depends if the simulations you in is simulated in true reality

[@NoodlePastie]

@@ntactime_w3488 I mean it is definitely beating a dead horse but I thought this one was alot funnier than alot of the shit joe rogan dmt memes/ joe "xxx" rogan memes

[@cierrarachael9949]

Joe's question is essentially "why do we assume we're tossing the coin?" It's probability based on assumption. It's like a blind person saying "I think the sky is red" and Joe is saying "Why would you assume that? You've never seen it and everyone keeps telling you it's blue."

[@missionpupa]

He's assuming based on probability, if you can't trust anything, you can triust this: what we do know is time is infinite or at least very very long compared to when it started and the present day. Then based on that premise, the probability that a simulation already happened is very close to 100% and you're already in it. That's really the crux of it.

[@jaysherriff3086]

Comment nails it rhis is like black arguing with white they will never be the same or understand each others points

[@austincolenutt]

I'm about to throw this iPad through my wall and straight at Joe's head. Holy hell

[@paul8m3]

Joe is painfully, involuntarily obtuse on this topic. We wouldn't know if we were in a properly constructed simulation. Its not that hard to understand.

[@weeshanky]

I don’t know how everybody else is struggling to understand this if there are 1 million simulated copies of earths entire history with fully conscious DIGITALY SIMULATED HUMANS. Which are HISTORICALY ACURATE TO THE ORIGINAL EARTH. Let’s say 7 trillion people live and die on earth but at some point in the distant future we simulated earths history 1 million times then that means there will be 7 trillion real humans and 7E18 seven to the power of 18 simulated humans WHICH THINK THEY ARE REAL. Now what’s more likely. It’s figuratively a million to one literally it’s waaaaaay lower probability

[@unclesam997]

Shanky 81 No one is struggling to understand that except for Joe

[@romanmax8561]

Probably the same reason he doesn't believe in god see atheists think they are smart but in reality you can be Moron and be a atheist because you don't need any thinking at all to be one . Just like animals don't have religion. Religion just like math and science take a higher intelligence. Then not believing in shit .

[@unclesam997]

Roman Max Religion does not necessarily require higher intelligence.

[@dirty7444]

This is one of those rare moments where DMT fails to enhance one’s intelligence.

[@heyllo1337]

Except its not.

[@Regularyoutubization]

@@heyllo1337 totally is though

[@danielharrington5690]

There's no studies that would even touch on this subject, so it's completely pointless to argue. That being said I've done DMT multiple times, and though it definitely broadened my perspective, I would have a hard time comprehending how it could positively effect your futute ability to learn or apply new skills. No evidence at all either way..

[@AV-nl9gc]

@@danielharrington5690 wowza someone who did DMT who doesnt brag about being an enlightened thinker.

[@brace110]

Joe doesn't seem to get that the dinosaurs, columbus, iPhone, Word war 2 would ALL be part of a potential simuation.. lol

[@Initial_Gopnik]

Brace110 I didn’t know the alphabet went to war

[@mandasdave]

Dang word wars

[@Racer-M]

Yeah the alphabetrium fought the number snakes. Reenactment on rick and morty. DUH... wubba lubba dub dub.

[@kktori]

Exactly. Each simulation would start with it's own big bang and so on.

[@iamfrancisrice]

@@kktori Or at least each simulation would replicate the cosmic radio background and other evidence that would point to a big bang, even if the event hadn't "occurred" within the simulation.

[@fluffycolt5608]

I love how Joe struggles to go along with this but 100% buys into ufo dude or ancient aliens guy.

[@missionpupa]

He's fine with all those things but if you tell him his reality is not real, it breaks his brain

[@bajskuk]

Exactly. He cherry picks when to believe crazy shit. He'll scold people for not believing in climate change yet falls for crazy theories of ancient civilizations, moon landing hoax, ice baths, vaccine misinfo etc.

[@Maximln_1]

@@missionpupa Despite this, the simulation is just as genuine as the simulation that made it. as it's built and crafted inside a different simulation all the way up to fundamental reality. It doesn't exist outside of base reality; it is just as real as base reality itself. More than anything, it comes down to control and meaning. Apart from the 'who's first,' naturally.

[@missionpupa]

@@Maximln_1 it doesn't really matter whether it's real or not because if we're in it, there is no way of telling.

[@Maximln_1]

@@missionpupa physical media, such as optical fibers, ssds or magnetic hard drives, are used to store and transport digital data. even tho the content of digital information is conceptual or virtual, its physicality provides a tangible foundation for its existence.so even if you exist in a 'digital' form, your existence is still part of the physical universe, you don't 'exist' independent of the physical universe. being 'real' is not a subject of the conversation. the implications will rely more on control, as in .. 'who controls the simulation' and free will. Being 'real' has no meaning in the context of the simulation.

[@gabrielyea]

Joe's algorithim crashes and gets stuck on endless loop. What more evidencie you need besides faulty AI.

[@jacksonduvall7504]

Poor simulated Joe really doesn’t want to be a simulation.

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

funny how he loves his stimulation drugs but dreads being actually stimulated person lol

[@madmatmp]

Haha

[@fridaycars9029]

Uhhhhh “stimulant” drugs and “simulation” are not the same word

[@beauntea8356]

@YAHOOISNOTG I think you forgot to English

[@TuxedoKittay]

Joe, you need to apologize to this guy. Friggin’ torture, bro.

[@martin19072]

Hahahah. Your so right as well.

[@TheVeiledCollective]

I know right. Not so much of a guest. More of a hostage.

[@heyllo1337]

Not really, the man never once understood his question

[@StephNuggs]

Not only did he not apologize he also blamed it on "language barrier".

[@dandregood6159]

Bostrom: “I ain’t coming over here no more”

[@uTubeMeltsYourBrain]

Evidence we’re in a simulation... Glitch in the matrix. The same 10 seconds keep getting played over and over. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@daneatienza]

Summary of this video This guy: out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated reality than the original one. Joe: But isn’t it possible we are not in a simulation. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: what I’m trying to say is, why are you assuming we are in a simulation, when there is no evidence for it. Isn’t it more probable that we are not in a simulation and this is reality. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: I understand what you’re saying completely, but why are you assuming we are in a simulation, isn’t it more likely that this is reality and we haven’t yet made a simulation. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: you lost me This guy: if you don’t want to participate in this thought experiment that’s fine.

[@CleetusDaily]

daneatienza what million simulations ?

[@psycod2548]

He sounds like one of the people in that episode of Rick and Morty when they were in a simulation

[@Mageblood]

@@CleetusDaily the scenario we are talking about is that in the future we will create many historical simulations. This is obviously just an assumption, not an entirely unbelievable assumption though. All that is being said here is that if we do end up creating a bunch of simulations, the probability lies in us being in one of the simulations and not in the root reality. No one is saying that we will for sure create these simulations, but that if we do create them there will be a 1/many chance that the lives we are living now are not simulated (since there will only ever be one true reality.) It's a simple probability statement and not proof of a simulation.

[@penttisaukko4364]

Hahahah Joe refuses to get the point!

[@IanHobday]

A lot of people are like Joe and don’t really get this. The base issue is that if we are in a simulation we will never be able to see that we are. Therefore we do not know if we are in a simulation or if we are the “real people” who will create simulations in the future. With that in mind, what’s more likely: 1. That we are the only original real timeline of people. or 2. We are living in one of millions of different hyper-realistic simulations that are, to us, indistinguishable from reality?

[@yelagriz]

This dude was extremely patient with Joe.

[@markzfischer]

@@CBT5777 him trying to make the show last longer or not has nothing to do with him saying the same thing over and over again. Joe is most likely questioning and wanting affirmation that this reality is more likely to be the original timelines and that it's less likely to be a simulation. But if you're choosing that there could be simulations in the future then you have to take that into account no matter if you say there might be simulations or there will be simulations. Because there would be millions of chances for a simulation over the one chance of a non simulation. He isn't getting that point. He isn't getting that there is a one in over one million chance..he's only taking it as the guy isn't giving this reality a chance of non simulation.

[@natecw4164]

@@CBT5777 +1 for saying people are "to stupid." That was fun. Also, I disagree Joe was trying to prolong the show. He just wasn't understanding the concept of the anthropic principle.

[@johnlafontaine4003]

Was he ever patient. Only time I have ever been annoyed by Joe.

[@ELWikiriWick]

Viceversa

[@ELWikiriWick]

@@Hesgoneandwrittenitdown true. Surprises me how people choose one side lol. Insane. They are both extremely patient.

[@matejvidovic9026]

I think the problem is that Joe has never taken a stat course of any kind based on his inability to understand probabilities and the idea of a stat model. It's purpose is not to state whether something is true or not, but like Nick said, to give that 4th time dimension where manipulation of variables based on just null and alternative hypothesis is the beauty of saying that anything at anywhere at anytime might exist.

[@Last_March_of_the_Gents]

I think Joe is also really trying to get the guy to explain it better than "IF in the future we build a uber computer instead of blowing ourselves up (which is unlikely), then probability states you are more than not likely in a simulation. " As a statistical evaluation I believe and think Joe is the same, that it starts on a flawed premise that making the simulation is more likely than not, given humanities record. So if the question is out of the realities being either a) we have not yet made it. B) we have made it - well thsts not a million to one. It only becomes a million to one once you have the definitive factor of the simulation was made.

[@Maximln_1]

@@Last_March_of_the_Gents I believe the likelihood is greater given our ability to construct something of this nature. or, to put it even more simply, the ability of the rules of physics to support something of this kind. If the universe itself is able to support a simulation without defying the laws of physics, then there's a good probability that somewhere in our universe alone, some civilization has already constructed one. and it's likely that we live in one ourselves if we manage to construct one. It's really easy.

[@Handp1e]

This is exactly it. Joe hasn’t taken enough math classes or done well enough in them to understand

[@kelleymcbride4633]

Joe is startlingly thick on this point, disturbingly even.

[@thecowboydrummer]

Kelley McBride what the fuck does that mean

[@sammmm87]

@@thecowboydrummer he's struggling to understand the concept which is surprising, Joe is usually switched on but seems unable to grasp the idea that statistically he's most likely living in a simulation and not the "original" universe.

[@SeanRyno]

@@sammmm87 you aren't more likely to be living in a simulation.

[@SeanRyno]

@@sammmm87 there is no empirical reason to believe this.

[@Tenorio74]

Totally agree. I kept losing my patience every time he couldn't grasp the very concept he was trying to talk about!!

[@zigaxyon9788]

Joe: what if I am actually here. Everyone: what if you actually listened.

[@mikekirkendall7254]

Come on Joe....damn!!!!..... I'm a hillbilly and I understand the man....

[@3rdJose]

Doubt it

[@tiggertiger9495]

@@runningbear6391 when the hell is Joe ever the smart one

[@JREfunnies]

JRE broke my brain..... I'm definitely in a simulation...

[@papabear2262]

I love Joe but this is like trying to explain particle theory...to a particle.

[@bartdekoker1337]

Joe has a point, he is the smart one Where is the evidence??

[@amiracleone2803]

@@bartdekoker1337 o crap well at least ur name is Bart. Ok can you not follow the conversation? If you have 10 black marbles and 1 white marble reach in a bag and grab a random marble. Which marble will you get? Its that easy why is this a challenge for you?

[@amiracleone2803]

Great comment honestly This is probably the hardest moment that Joe's brain ever experienced.

[@bartdekoker1337]

@@amiracleone2803 who says their are marbles, maybe there is only one marble the white one

[@amiracleone2803]

@@bartdekoker1337 Ok u must be trolling. U get 3 options in the simulation argument got it? The simulation hypothesis says you are most likely a simulation. You have to understand that if at any time we can make a universe even if not yet. It means you are most likely in a simulation because there would be way more psuniverses then Base reality. You do understand this concept correct?

[@333crt]

The most unproductive conversation I've ever heard.

[@billymckenzie3999]

This was the most difficult thing to watch. Come on Joe.

[@jaymartinson3236]

Holy moly this was painful. He explained it well enough the first time.

[@ReflectiveRobot]

Why didn't he tell Joe, "That's exactly what a simulated Joe Rogan in a simulated reality would think and say"?

[@darix3051]

But "that's exactly what a not simulated Joe Rogan in reality would think and say"?

[@kaseymcdonough5748]

He tried!!!!! Lmao

[@civicgsr19]

They should have this conversation while Joe is tripping balls...

[@seanmcguire7974]

He did. He said it would be indistinguishable

[@joshski85]

This was awkward to watch. Joe just didn't get it but wanted to argue points that really didn't have much to do with the simulation theory. I love Joe, btw. Just my 2 cents.

[@mTOXiicg]

Totally agree. He said he was just playing devils advocate but the arguments he makes are dumb as hell. "How could it be a simulation if you have a mom and dad??" Jesus.

[@marvinholden1425]

I too agree but he's always said "I don't know shit."

[@lightning4457]

He did understand the argument. He just didn't agree with it. Bostrom's third option makes literally no sense in any way shape or form. Firstly, yes, using Occam's Razor suggests that we currently are in base reality. Secondly, and this is a very important point, if we are NOT in base reality, but instead are in a simulation, why would the people who simulated us (or AI) give us the ability to be aware the we may be in a simulation? The entire point of an ancestor simulation, according to Bostrom himself, is to simulate the memories and experiences of our ancestors. If this were the case, in our world, there are some people who believe in simulation theory. This means that, however how small the probability, it is POSSIBLE that we will never make simulations because of our fear of creating new simulations. Additionally, his probability models completely fail to account for motivation. What is the purpose of creating an INFINITE number of simulations? Why would you make an infinite number of the exact same simulations? His argument involves too much human ego and human-centric thinking. If you wanted to make simulated ancestors, why would you give them a consciousness? He also has absolutely no evidence that human, biological consciousness can be translated into synthetic, digital consciousness. He makes dozens of assumptions about the progress of technology which have no basis in reality. He even uses Moore's Law, which is not a law but is actually a trend, and in fact it is slowing down. The probability of us NOT being in a simulation are far greater considering all the variables.

[@autodidacticartisan]

Yeah I just came down to the comments to say the same thing

[@Jonny-rc4wh]

Joe is usually pretty smart but God he's not understanding that all this stuff whether simulated or real would be exactly the same

[@JoeOnaBoat]

turned it off after fifteen minutes of joe not grasping a simple thought experiment.

[@elyvenkus7485]

Lol seriously

[@mogur00]

hahaha pretty bad aye.

[@SONIC-gm9gd]

Can we run a million simulations to see if Joe can get it?

[@ChrisAlvarezAlvarezImaging]

exactly... I mean I love his shows, but very frustrating him blocking up like this

[@fulltimeforeigner5640]

How is much smarter than this. Just a random brain lapse I’m thinking.

[@giuffre714]

When Joe described reality, it seemed more preposterous for it not to be a simulation.

[@vick82sydney]

Sometimes in other interviews Joe pretends to be humble and say he's a ape and doesn't know anything. This is the time to go to that place.

[@jimallen1303]

No shit, this was annoying .

[@applejuice5635]

Exactly.

[@MagklJellyBeanPastelLucidDream]

@@jimallen1303 He was intruiged, because it was so hard for him. You gotta problem, go cool your fuckin ego. Watch in glory the ape try to out smart himself.

[@TrentStrong]

Or maybe the simulation argument is just a trash hypothesis with no rationale other than mental gymnastics and Joe had doubts about it?

[@PassportAdam]

This must be Nick's expeirence to every Tinder date.

[@johndraper3210]

Assuming he's ever had someone match with him on Tinder.... (I'm thinking grinder)

[@amiracleone2803]

Honestly yes this is the truth lol.

[@George-gf9tu]

@@johndraper3210 are you projecting?

[@johndraper3210]

@@George-gf9tu hey!!! Didn't we meet on grindr??

[@George-gf9tu]

@@johndraper3210 yes babe

[@natehenderson1643]

Bostrom: There is one base reality and 1 million ancestor simulations. Joe: So you’re telling me there’s a chance?

[@DANversusWTP]

This is the greatest comment

[@Chris-yq3kp]

Can we make a simulation where Joe understands this guy’s point the first time he asks? 😂😂😂

[@Chris-yq3kp]

This guy has the patience of a god

[@e-lawnmosque7375]

Joe: Why not assume were not simulated? Nick: Well it is assumed, just not probable. Joe: But why? Nick: Probability is low. Joe: Why? Nick: Low Joe: Why? Nick: Are you a robot? Joe: Why? Nick: Im talking to a f’n simulation aren’t I? Joe: Why? Nick: ... Joe: Why?

[@kenbrunet6120]

lol

[@jmoran1947]

Nick: fking AI pissing me off

[@amerifinntv9811]

Den, uhhhh...

[@toria165]

😂

[@Yang-il4yn]

Joe says “I understand what you’re saying BUT” Joe, you don’t understand and that is okay.

[@crunchy1547]

I do get what you’re saying, but I’m gonna keep repeating the same question until I get what you’re saying

[@embecmom5863]

He's not saying anything

[@eljones8672]

The simulators are tearing their hair out rn watching this

[@liquidhaste]

The simulators love joe

[@5jd1]

Yeah the entity who made this sim is sat back with popcorn laughing their socks off!

[@ez_company9325]

he is literally arguing with the worlds foremost expert on simulation theory that he is wrong. Joe Rogan vs one of the smartest humans on the planet..... AHHHHHHHHHHH!

[@so2easy]

@@ez_company9325 I try to look at joe's behavior in a way that he is trying to make it more understandable for the viewers and him. Many people will have similiar thoughts as Joe, and many will side with the Professor. (oof im high and dont know if i made much sense)

[@yBreakk]

Is it just me or does this feel like the exact same conversation being recorded over and over again. the exact same points lmao

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

Joe just can't, or won't, process that Bostrom is making a probability argument. This was really frustrating to watch. Joe doesn't usually cling to this kind of stubborn refusal to simply understand the nature of what someone else is saying, whether he agrees with it or not.

[@Sappa9702]

I understand but I think Joe was stubborn in this case because Bostrom was not giving him the satisfaction of saying this could be the first/only reality.

[@DJFLDJFL]

He's making a probabilty argument based on a flawed premise though, that's the problem. Joe asking "why would we assume there's a simulation" is valid. *Actually* demonstrate the existence of the simulation, and *then* we can assign probabilities of Person X being part of the simulation. If you don't accept the premise that a simulation exists, whatever further points are built on that foundation are irrelevant.

[@Sappa9702]

@@DJFLDJFL It's not flawed if we don't know where we come from. Anything could be "real". Literally, anything. For all we know, a Frog could be the mastermind.

[@fishah08sk8]

@@DJFLDJFL I think the other guy understood that though an tried telling Joe it's just a thought experiment. The closest truth we have to defining anything and everything is with numbers and observation. What we've observed and the math we've done in our history, makes it more probable that we live in a simulation is all he is trying to say. I think other commenter's right, it's probably more Joe's ego being stubborn than not understanding the concept but if the guy says "okay Joe imagine you are right and.." that's flawed because he knows it not to be right an he would just have to explain way more stuff to Joe which would be impolite to do on Joe's show. He was already trying really hard to not be condescending after the 3rd go lol

[@DJFLDJFL]

@@Sappa9702 ​ Naz™ Right. It all could be. So to assign probabilities that I'm also a frog, I'm in a simulation, you're not in a simulation, you're the Queen, etc...flawed. Start with evidence. Demonstrate the existence of the Simulation, *then* make claims about it, assign probabilities based on time, etc.

[@jacobgagnon4608]

Unbelievable Nick kept his composure the whole time. That was frustrating to watch.

[@xmidge3851]

Joe doesn't seem to grasp that if you are in a simulation, you wouldn't know you are in a simulation or base reality

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

But the science side doesn't always get I to the fact of the size of computer we need to develop in order to prove the theory. You need star sized computers with much faster computation power. Further more you need ancestral simulations can can be run fast enough to reach the conclusions needed to be useful for studies. Ie you need to be able to simulate thousands of years very quickly while holding high levels of accuracy. The program levels would be astounding. Material requirements are also astronomically high. Given we are just as close to destroying ourselves as we are to that level of simulation it's not actually that likely its just a possibility. Beyond that simulation of everything is something we are interested in. Not just ancestral simulations. Which creates situations where you have limited simulation info and tech which would create oddities in the simulation which would make the insiders known that they are simulated. Which means the fact we haven't been shut down and are thinking about this means we are just as likely to be the real thing as a simulation. It's a mind breaking concept. But it's complex. Even with planetary sized computers the speed is likely to limit uses. We'd be running shorter simulations to run deep into uncharted territory while using the known history of certain shit plugged in towards the tail end to reverse engineer the historical possibilities. As we understand space better and can comprehend things that are harder to simulate we make it less likely we are simulations. To properly simulated the entire universe requires things much larger then the planet to star sized computers theorized. Or clusters of computers that size. Making in more and more likely we aren't a simulation. Its like the wait equation but with Fermi paradox and other shit. Though Fermi paradox might also be able to prove simulation theory. Normally we'd be less then 5050 to be simulation to real. Right now it's closer to 5050 then the proponents of this theory like to admit to. Or maybe even realize it.

[@codycoldbrewski572]

Unfortunately science needs to be based in fact and evidence and this dudes theory literally has zero evidence. This is how cults are created, just believe me because I sound believable, no I can’t prove it. Just take my word for it

[@thaiphrasestoknow9214]

@@bmxriderforlife1234 aliens on the Kardeshev level 3 could do it easily:)

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

@@thaiphrasestoknow9214 yes but we also have zero examples or evidence for that. And it's not necessarily 2hat a level 3 society would do. A level 3 society would be using biological computers which would greatly reduce size requirements and potentially up computation speed. But by that point they don't even need to run ancestor simulations. Which counter acts the theory. It's more likely a level 1 or 2 project. In theory we could do it ourselves currently if we had continued the development of space technology at the pace set during the space race along with not letting military interests control certain other shit along with America's failing capitalism. Technically speaking we should've had nuclear power and green energy by 2000 along with gigabit internet and hybrid technology in the 80s. Which would've pushed solid state battery technology further earlier. Which in turn would've allowed for other things to come sooner. For example we could already be using lasers to transmit energy and information. Combines with solar tech and satellites you could create solar farms in space that also allow for massive transition of data fast.

[@thaiphrasestoknow9214]

@@bmxriderforlife1234 i can agree w all that. Yes, more of a level 2 situation.

[@Christina-yd9fe]

Literally laughing out loud. Love JRE.

[@joez6235]

"Why would you assume that?" Because that's how thought experiments work, Joe.

[@nielsenaaa]

AKA a postulate, maths 101 !!!

[@nonyabidness7911]

Right but we can’t lean on “wouldn’t this be cool” as a theory

[@joez6235]

@@nonyabidness7911 Joe Rogan is quite happy to talk about Aliens, Bigfoot and lost civilizations, "wouldn't this be cool" is literally all Joe "leans on". It's actually kind of weird that he is so put off by this topic.

[@wasupgaming]

@@nonyabidness7911 it doesnt lean on that

[@Unmec69]

Can we reboot the simulation so I can get that 33 minutes back?

[@mpsSalvadorian]

I want a reset too

[@jamesfinley8810]

Thanks for the boot loader to exit.

[@Unmec69]

Robbie Watson that is so true

[@glowingdawn9179]

28:21 Joe: this is pure speculation Nick: well this is a thought experiment

[@TheBrunarr]

Is that a Tenma profile pic?

[@supersonicguru1]

@@TheBrunarr good eye mate, indeed it is. Monster is a great manga

[@andrewskratt9552]

I JUST TOOK A MASSIVE SIMULATION DIARRHEA DUMP WITH A MESSY SIMULATION WIPE

[@MrCyaltrbye]

Young Jamie needed to step in around the 13min mark to run interference here. There was clearly a disconnect in Joe’s understanding.

[@crystleggg]

MrCyaltrbye yes!

[@mikem651]

Started reading the comments first and was thinking..."how bad could it be?" It's worse.

[@ummmno3871]

It’s BRUTAL. I’m fucking crying laughing. Joe made me feel really smart today.

[@garywest2250]

Lmao this is like being forced to listen to nails being dragged across a long chalkboard

[@jakobspeck1736]

I wish I could have just seen the humor in it but it was so painful for me to listen to I had to turn it off.

[@peckpeckahson3005]

Tapping out at 19 minutes before I break my phone in half

[@andrewfischer8145]

You’re patience is high I got to 6:30

[@danielchapter70128]

Bostrom: Joe let’s speculate. Here are two very simple thought experiments that may help you understand the probability aspect of Simulation theory. Joe: But that’s PURE SPECULATION. Bostrom: Yes.

[@danielchapter70128]

Bostrom: if technology keeps the pace it has, barring condition A, (whereby our civilization self destructs, or B, whereby we all agree to halt technology advancement), then it’s logical to assume eventually we will create hyper-realistic simulations indistinguishable from reality. if we assume one million such simulations will eventually exist, and only ONE base reality ever existed, it’s far more likely we are in one of those million simulations, because probability. Joe: I COMPLETELY understand that. But WHY wouldn’t it actually be far more likely we are in base reality??

[@danielchapter70128]

17:55, Bostrom ALMOST got to the root of Joe’s inability to grasp this concept. He says “There are a million simulations, right, and you cannot tell from the inside-“ at which point Joe cuts Bostrom off, before he could finish and say “cannot tell from the inside THAT YOU ARE IN A SIMULATION because every PROOF that you’re in base reality is ALSO simulated”. SOO FRUSTRATING!!!!

[@doginspace0]

I can finally vouch for when Joe says “I’m a stupid guy who likes smart things”

[@David-kj1po]

Had to stop watching. Hes too cringe missing the point constantly.

[@Sowiso4]

#metoo

[@jeremylabove5339]

Im with him tho. I still dont get what tf this guy is trying to say

[@yannickroy1399]

@@jeremylabove5339 He's saying that assuming the potential of a simulated reality, something that is conceptually possible today (but not actually possible quite yet), it would be foolish of us to assume that we are the first iteration of reality rather than a simulation because there would be 1 such iteration to potentially an infinite amount of simulations.

[@a115331n6343]

Understanding this guys point is one of those real-time off-the-cuff IQ tests that Joe failed hard here.

[@stormsperanza1407]

God bless this patient man, damn.

[@Bo-Fadeez]

There's 10 million Joe Rogans not understanding this.