Should we eat meat? Brunel Sikh Soc - Q&A #7

Q&A session following the talk at Brunel Uni Sikh Soc - see "Sikhi in English" Playlist. Question was Should we eat meat? Also covers ethics in all food. We will also share more videos in the near future of this on going topic of whether we should eat meat or not.
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[@susancorrales]

As vegan , I’m truly thankful for this effort you guys are doing to spread the truth. Always protecting the innocent. You Sikhs motivate me to look for righteousness, I thank you all! ❤️

[@godisinside2223]

I am pure vegetarian and I love animals.and I appreciate your thoughts.

[@vishalshalivahanas6471]

You're welcome 😊

[@Ba1ster]

global education maybe give up dairy too

[@vishalshalivahanas6471]

@@Ba1ster dairy wouldn't be a problem until and unless we consume what remaining of the milk after the calf's belly full. And all this process should be natural. No intentional breeding of cattle for the dairy.

[@Ba1ster]

vishal shalivahanas the problem is that’s not what happens. The calfs get taken away always days from being born. Male calf is slaughtered as he has no use and female calf is bought up to be just like her mother. By the age of 5-6 the mother doesn’t produce milk anymore so is killed for food. This is the normal practice in the uk. Breaks my heart

[@ravivats4630]

Great! Sikhism and other Indian religions are the true 'religions of peace and compassion'.

[@green133]

These are not religions Mind it😠😠

[@SherinFunmes]

True. We indians developed all religions that are based on sanatan dharm. Hinduism Buddhism Sikhism and Jainism!

[@NicklasForesti]

Check up on the caste system and say that again...

[@amanverma2321]

@@NicklasForesti i know what u wana say but those caste system is not even mention on ved its created by some people .just like jatts and all in sikhims

[@saurabhsingh5263]

@@NicklasForesti my friend cast system is a social problem not religious and that's why, in it is in sikkh religion too..all religions of indian land is going through this problem ....

[@joannenugent8495]

I've always liked and respected the Sikh religion.

[@allfreeworld]

gingermavy . these type of people are called stupid in GurSikhi, GurSikhi is all about knowing and connecting back to True/definite/absulote non -relative Identity of Lord and rational thinking and life style derived from it.

[@greatgirl6013]

ALL freeTV You are stupid because you don't know what are requirements to meet god And compassion is the first requirement

[@kaurrajvir4363]

Thanks

[@Harman.aujla5]

Make the video about chicken

[@dvstheking]

Then leave milk and milk's by product. Milk is juice of animal bones and is for its neo natal not for human. Drinking Milk has two sins - 1. You drink milk, which is not for you. i.e. - milk is for baby animal/ calf 2. Milk is juice of bones and it is very painful method to squeeze the breast for milk. It's just a stupid things to argue what is flesh and what's not. Try to focus on meditation, choose path what guruji has told, follow Guru Granth Sahib and leave all these myths. If meat eating is wrong, leave it to the God for justice. You guys have to follow the path and your karma is with you. Leave these nonsense arguments.

[@timnordin3091]

Wow, Sikhi is really a intelligent way of life! I havent eaten any meat, milk or eggs for severeal years now. Very inspirational Basics of Sikhs, you make very good points!

[@newworldorder7727]

Tim Nordin milk? What's wrong with it?

[@saba2926]

iOS vs anroid nothing wrong with milk some vegans dont consume animal products at all doesn't mean something wrong with it!

[@newworldorder7727]

you are master okk. But it is useful. What kind of person looks like who doesn't consume milk.

[@DerMessiasderSatire]

@@newworldorder7727 The milk production is extremely tied to meat production. And milk isn't good for your body.

[@niteshsrivastava3122]

U can drink milk... It's good. And don't harm animal..u will feel cow as ur 2nd mother

[@Super-gf5cq]

I miss Jagraj - the world 🌎 has lost a very special and unique person- Sikhism is the Truth ❤️ 🙏🙏

[@mountolympus1098]

concept of karma and dharma is truth. followed in jainism, buddhism and hinduism too.

[@keshavnaidu3994]

Even Sikhism has that brother.

[@rockingakshay7465]

@Gyanii Jeev Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not copied anything from anywhere. He get this concept directly from god. All of sikhi was given by god.

[@rockingakshay7465]

@Gyanii Jeev All of the sikhi is from waheguru and it was all truth before the beginning of time only people were not aware of it. Guruji rejected janehu when he was given to wear in his childhood, he rejected caste system, he rejected idol worship. Hindus were doing all these things which he find wrong. He did not copied anything he knew what is right and what is wrong directly from god. The thing that is truth was always truth before the beginning of this universe and will always stay truth after the end of this universe. Because of your ignorance you dont want to accept the truth. Truth will always remain truth and was always the truth.

[@rockingakshay7465]

@Gyanii Jeev Sikhism has 3 pillars. 1. Bhakti 2. Righteous living 3. Seva Dharma and karma are part of righteous living. They have same name because punjabi has lot of words from hindi and urdu. Righteous living is not started by Hinduism it was always there before Hinduism.

[@rockingakshay7465]

@Gyanii Jeev what you are saying does not make any sense. Hindus believe that god exists and Christian also believe god exists. So Christians copy it from Hinduism?

[@punjabbolda7190]

I stopped eating meat after watching this

[@YaoEspirito]

Two years later, I pray you've stuck with your convictions.

[@ranjodhsidhu9240]

Paramdeep Grewal maybe that’s all the beard he can grow we shouldn’t judge so quick I have Singh friends that can’t grow a beard by nature but are Amrit shak let’s just be more mindful that’s all :)

[@thejatts3117]

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1377} ਨੋਟ

[@HT-rn4rs]

Very proud of you

[@sumit6600]

Good

[@ytngillz2091]

My dad told me when he was young in India, they had like 10 cows and they had babies and stuff as well, and they walked in the grassy fields and ate and roamed like regular cows, and then they got milked, and then back to their ordinary life, now the cows and stuff are tied up, and in western countries, they are in cages and stuff now, veganism is now a legitimate thing because of this, cows should live lives like that, horses as well should be able to live and be with their owner, I hope you get this comment

[@abqkaza]

YTN Gillz good point

[@ponda16]

This was something really informative. I am from a Hindu family. But I am a very frequent visitor to Gurudwara near by my home. What ever you guys are doing by educating the world about Sikhism is really appreciable. My Sikh friends please don't mind my further comment. I don't see this type of knowledge, compassion and welcome from the Gurudwaras near by my home. I am not pointing at anyone. Just want to say that all the Gurudwaras should have such an awareness programme and knowledge which should welcome people to know more about Sikhism. Please let me know if you guys have your online forum. I would definitely like to sign in for it.

[@basicsofsikhi]

+ponda16 thanks ji, we are on facebook.com/everythings13.basicsofsikhi

[@smileyanoopa23]

Experiencing bliss, peace and waheguru, all other tastes are forgotten.

[@girishmaru3732]

Dairy is equally Cruel.

[@harshitsisodiya8077]

@@girishmaru3732 not comparatively

[@BoT-gb7qg]

@@girishmaru3732 neither

[@lizedbf7334]

after my husband left my daughter and me i had to find work quickly so i had to work in a slaughterhouse. There i have seen the brutality and cruelty to the animals. And i have seen they indeed use the meat that has laid on the floor all day to be used in saugages. I have been able to work in a different job but that nightmare will never leave me. So please listen to him and stop eating meat

[@gurmin9062]

Thanks for telling your experience to people...Appreciate ....

[@amanverma2321]

thanks for telling.

[@amanverma2321]

@C̊ůC̊ůM̊b̊O̊.̊ and u stop bhooshiting

[@revolution606]

this guy makes me cry with truth and humour

[@josa5112]

ricky stephens Deftones are sick

[@arshdipsingh4774]

I really wish we had more people and schools like these where our generations would actually learn valuable things.

[@watchingyou514]

so nice to hear this - If you have compassion you are lucky. If you are not compassionate, you are NOT lucky. Hope all sikhs and all others understand this and implement this !!

[@RishiPathak22]

Bhai ji I am a vegetarian and I am really proud of it and I am so happy that my beloved Gurus have also suggested about being compassionate and vegetarianism is one of the many ways of being one. Bhai you're doing a great selfless job by passing on such beautiful teachings to people. I wish I could hug you for doing this lovely service. May Waheguru bless you always!

[@MissChrisa]

Thank you for sharing this!! So few people are following these truths, let alone speaking up about these truths. Wahe Guru!!

[@ishpanesar1329]

Finally someone who’s explained this properly 🙏🏽 Thanks bother

[@Robinom]

Great video Thankyou :) I have been veggie for 20 years and don't kill anything

[@gurjotsingh3726]

You do kill a lot of plants dear.

[@greatgirl6013]

Gurjot Singh I wish you had studied science in primary school Plants and animals are different Animals are way more conscious than plants Furthermore, animals feel way more pain than plants for which pain quotient is negligible Go and enlighten yourself

[@qasimkhan-qv9hi]

@@greatgirl6013 haha I wish you were a science studient. Plants are living things they are different from animals there perception are different. Humans are having small and large intestines they are made to eat meat and vegetables

[@bazaarwalakhana5401]

@@hope2251 yes

[@MrJav7w]

You are not going to change the world, you are just missing out on lots of yummy food

[@ShelterHelperDogs]

I'm loving Sikhs more as I am finding out more about their religion. The needing meat for protein is a myth. We don't need protein as such, it's all the essential amino acids we need and our body makes proteins from that. Everything has amino acids in. There are vegan strong men, cage fighters and bodybuilders. I've been living a vegan lifestyle for over 8 years now and I feel so healthy, fit and strong and have loads of stamina to do kung fu and weights. Anyway, I like the Sikh philosophy. I've seen so much hatred from muslims in particular around the world and this is so refreshing compared to always seeing that dominating the news every day.

[@fauglover8646]

Tyy and Respect to u too🙏

[@fauglover8646]

Btw Sikhs r different Religion than Muslims.

[@villageveggieveganrasoi]

If you need more help ask me as well and read gurbani with English translation i start my channel vegetarian and vegan recipe

[@jayfloramusic]

I stopped eating meat after watching this video.

[@shuaibahsan5458]

Jatinder Flora and what u eat.......... only vegetarian........ but for ur kind information plants also are living things.........to tell them is ok

[@shuaibahsan5458]

Jatinder Flora u should also stop eating veg because plants are also living things

[@shuaibahsan5458]

jaspal singh plants are also living creature and they are also created by same GOD who create animals and all thing.......... whats about plant

[@shuaibahsan5458]

jaspal singh hahhahaha...............ur argument have no sense bro........ first correct ur info...... dont b fool

[@Ajaypalsingh_]

shuaib ahsan plant's are living 😂🙄 do they move that's not a life

[@jwilsss]

You cannot kill anything compassionately.

[@manishkauts]

+Jessica Lauren Touche!

[@sikhkhalsa2922]

+Jessica Lauren Well said. Truth in some way : ) It is a tough topic. Though in Sikhi, as mentioned in the video, the warrior Sikhs ate meat through the 'Jhatka' way, which is less painful, one strike, one blow, causing minimum pain, which in that respect showing some compassion to the animal? Only God knows best.

[@TrueTreeRadioNetwork]

what if you're killing out of mercy? To end suffering of something or someone in severe pain, with injuries they won't recover from?

[@gagandeeprandhawa7018]

yes you can , the only way is jhatka. one shot and the brain is dosconnected

[@sikhkhalsa2922]

J Krish Now you are verbally threatening Mr. Randhawa with mere words (still hold weight even though verbally). He has every right to defend himself in self-defence. As a last resort, he may pick up the sword, if you continue to threaten and strike. The true warriors over time have had to defend (fight/kill) themselves as a last resort, compassionately to serve and protect their loved ones, their faith for justice and truth.

[@breatheasy333]

IM SO shook, i haven't heard or seen this much information bout this and i been a pescatarian for 10 years! thank you!!!!!!!1

[@SinghTheMaster]

Jugraag veer, I have the same views that you shared in this video. Everything you said is true and in accordance with principles of Sikhi.

[@mozart4128]

I dont know this man,but his ideas are absolutely correct.

[@SuzanneOlsson]

wow! This man is articulate and very pursuasive... Thank you sir! Mkaes me want to be a Sikh!

[@ZaydDepaor]

So he is saying the religion gave no clear command on whether meat is allowed or not and that convinces you? Covered up by saying "Sikhism wants you to think"? Then why not just not give any rules about anything and just let people think? Sikhism said it opposed Islam because of rituals in Islam etc...but God put those rituals as symbols and specific acts of worship...then sikhism invented its own rituals! ANd what was the true religion before sikhism? Sikhism starts with the first guru, how can the true religion only start in India a few hundred years ago, what happens to all the people before that? Sikhism is a spin off of hinduism i.e. religions in india (as hindusim was not one religion) and then under the influence of deviant sufi Islam in India, sikhism adopted some monotheist ideas and anti-caste ideas from Islam, but mainstained a lot of their hindu beliefs and terminology but adopted some terms from Islam from Arabic e.g. 'khalsa' etc.

[@user-uf6wc2zf6r]

did you pass away

[@harraj128]

​@@ZaydDepaorshutup you coper lmao

[@mahavirsingh8932]

brilliantly explained. Thank you very much Khalsa ji

[@moonstars6]

I love this! thank you so much for sharing this!

[@smileyanoopa23]

When love for duality wells up we become attached to duality. We receive the intelligence as bestowed by waheguru.

[@imannews5419]

Brillant! compassionate eating makes so much sense.

[@sukhpalsinghattal]

i love this guy and his videos! keep up the good work brother

[@pardeepmalhi8760]

Such an elaborative way to explain your point maintaining the boundaries of gurbani. So impressive. We need this kind of Sikh dharam pracharak nowadays. Please keep doing this great work for humanity.😊👍🙏

[@jagpreetsingh3287]

I strongly agree and admire Bhai Sahab’s views and the way he explained the topic

[@harmanpreetsingh1017]

God is seeing everyone who are doing cruelity with innocent animals🙁😔

[@harmanpreetsingh1017]

@Samim Suhail then live your life

[@eakjotkaur4176]

waheguru,thank for all this information

[@monsterg4603]

killing an animal in front of an infant. the infant would ask why. fresh and innocent to this world the infant teaches us.

[@amanverma2321]

sir whenever i come to ur channel i feel peace ,the way u explain is amazing.

[@behappy8248]

I'm a Hindu and I respect the simple sublime teachings of Sikhism, after all, all the Indian religions preach peace and brotherhood, may that b Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism. We are brothers.

[@pravinmakwana8367]

@@garanrana4191 islam , yahudi and christian are ibrahim religions . These 3 accept hazrat ibrahim . They are some contact ech other . Their birth land is same . And hindu sikh jain baudh are same culture . Birth land is same ( hindustan ).

[@khalsaikhajana9980]

@@pravinmakwana8367 not Hindustan bro India/Bharath

[@priyanshugupta8299]

@@khalsaikhajana9980 yes we should call it bharat only

[@ShivamKendre-fc3su]

@@khalsaikhajana9980 yes bharat sounds good.

[@jaga7148]

tooo tooo good It was just grt bro...

[@mdedu9767]

It's great that you are telling people the reality of meat they eat. Good job brother, I am not anyone to tell people to stop eating meat or not, but being a vegetarian when I see any animal starving or in bad condition or being killed then it hurts a lot, but the thing is that only I can not stop this cruelty, because people like to eat meat. So, these innocent creatures have to face cruelty.

[@AmanpreetSingh]

when i was a child my parents used to tell me about compassion, ethnicity and karma. When i grew up people from society asks why is my lifestyle like that because there is a big misconception that sikh people drinks and eats meat and in most of the cases today they actually does but thats not because of any compulsion its because of the addiction that you get from meat and alcohol so i go upto those people and teach them about the same ethnicity that this video highlights

[@raichu6269]

Same same

[@AbhishekSharma-tz7be]

bro you are doing a great job...spread this beautiful message of guru nanak dev ji...

[@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767]

@@AbhishekSharma-tz7be ❤️

[@adarshjaiswal8688]

Sikhs are not Hindus. but our relations is like brothers

[@gurpreetkaur8228]

Adarsh Jaiswal WHAT???

[@adarshjaiswal8688]

Gurpreet Kaur we are brother

[@simberland3388]

absolutely !! Sikhism treats everyone like our brothers and sisters. =)

[@waitnotable]

there is a wide difference .... when there two different religion both cannot be right .

[@simberland3388]

no but we can all agree to live and let others live in peace. family members don't always agree but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

[@BearClanMan1970]

Thank you for this video and meaningful words. I am Tuscarora (American Indian) and in my people's language, we have a phrase, "Yuʔtikę́hra·t." In modern times it has come to mean "It makes sense," but in ancient times (and its literal meaning) it means "It has a mind of its' own." This is the word we used to describe the animal people to indicate that they are sentient beings who have lives and emotions similar to ours.

[@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767]

How great of you to keep your culture alive? I have massive respect for you ❤️

[@cassandrasiraganda2940]

Thank you for this great Speach!

[@abhijitkale7777]

Lot of respect.. The way you are looking towards life.

[@backester_singhaman6914]

May waheguru bless you soul.. you were one the best in this time and age 🙏 sadly our time with you was very limited.

[@westfalenstadion7325]

Thank you for this info It has opened my eyes No more dairy or eggs for me.

[@jfeuiebf]

Damn it, more and more I like those Sikhs ;)

[@GurpreetSingh-su8yy]

Keep it up... Waheguru Ji ka khalsa waheguru Ji ki fateh

[@CryptoFeeders]

i love guru nanak ji. gr8st soul

[@rakeshsanghavi2929]

Very logical fact . Good teaching .

[@restivo808]

Compassion starts within.. great message.

[@kevinbridger4166]

Wow, phenomenal- openned my eyes. Some great lessons here.

[@RAHULSONI-js2nd]

Respect brother ! Great

[@mehtaabsandhu6969]

Amazing insight brother

[@rachilly7532]

Thank you for making this video-really helped me

[@cyclinginuk7969]

Thanks for giving such a good knowledge. What ever he said is a very basic part of vedic knowledge and described well. Thanks for such a nice description.

[@79rosalee]

Very good videos. I'm learning all I can about Sikh culture and these videos help very much. Thank you.

[@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767]

Sikh is a religion, Punjabi is a culture/language. (This doesn't mean only punjabi can be sikhs or sikhism only belongs to Punjab)

[@greymist7571]

How about the current commercial practice of keeping the cow mother almost continually pregnant to get her milk thereby drastically shortening her life and also have her constantly suffering during that shortened life?

[@manpreetkaur-cg6nt]

In India, in punjab, the society where I am living, when cows show some signs which means that they want intimacy , only then they are undergone the process of getting pregnancy. I dont know whether I used Appropriate words to explain my point or not , but hope you would understand my point.

[@vizx8574]

very impressive , spread this knowledge and enlighten people .

[@PrabhjotSingh-xm2ok]

i love this channel thank you

[@jaschawla1]

Paaji if u can make it in punjabi... i wanted to show n spread this in punjab. Please make one in punjabi It ll help many ppl paaji🙏

[@himtajdhanoa9679]

Jass why dont you do something rather than telling them to do it

[@mikesheth77]

Make one in Hindi too ! Many need to know.

[@tavsingh5204]

@@mikesheth77 he sadly passed away

[@SherinFunmes]

@@tavsingh5204 He passed away? How wtf?

[@Zen-ow8xf]

@@SherinFunmes he passed away more than 3 yrs ago

[@Mrbotsir]

Waheguru 🙏🏼

[@singhnee1980]

loved it!!

[@ThatCologneGuy]

"If it's normal food, why can't they show us how it's made?" Well said. Love this dude's t-shirt. :)

[@rjhaveri8bh]

I must have been sikhi in last life. I think very alike like sikh brother.

[@lalitbhdoria]

great teachings of sikhism

[@knowtoknow1187]

Best explanation ever.....🙏🏻👍🏻

[@ravishingxbeauty88]

This is the best video I have ever seen! I am glad that I've become a vegan for 4 months!

[@lindacarter4543]

Nice eye opening video. It's sad but true ;(

[@CryptoFeeders]

I m brahmin but getting in lov with him

[@FlashHayer]

Thank you Bhai Jagraj Singh 🙏🏽

[@ysingh6762]

beautiful video always...miss you Jagraj Veerji

[@AS-jo8qh]

People who say being vegetarian makes you weak should go to punjab and haryana and see the average vegetarian people there. They work on fields, drink fresh organic milk from their own cows who live naturally and eat simple dal roti and fresh vegetables off their fields

[@SHERAxBeats]

Best Explanation!!! Jagraj Singh was a Diamond 🙏

[@hawklion05]

What happened to jagraj?

[@vintage5781]

@@hawklion05 Cancer

[@ramdassumman2422]

Very Good. Thank you Singh Sahib.

[@rahulsrivastava3394]

Great knowledge 😊

[@PremendraPriyadarshi]

Good explanation.

[@bbybyrd13]

HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD AT 12:38! im dying looooove your videos bhaji!

[@showing911]

Thank you for such a nice video, I feel blessed

[@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767]

❤️

[@jagjitsinghvirk1041]

I have started following you just yesterday and I have to say that You are showing the world a right path . people like me are always gonna contradict With you just like they doing in every video by calling you names and all because the path you are showing is true but difficult for us because we can't give up our bad deed ! Eventhough we know the path you are showing that's the only true path we will still not gonna agree with you because we are tooooooooooo weak to accept the real meaning of our life . Idk why people are complaining about your 2 lines on jatts. I am a jatt from punjab and I really like your sense of humour. That was actually encouraging what you have said. Punjab's youth is almost all ruined with excessive use of drugs and alcohol and the main reason behind this is lack of knowledge about real meaning of life . We need street parcharak's like you here punjab it would help immensely. Keep up your good work bro for Sikhi and humanity . 👍

[@ArpitKumarGoel13]

Good Message 🙏🙏🙏 Non compassion will cause war and war only. Same way I feel by bursting crackers we terrorise animals,birds hence in turn we suffer from problem of terrorism in country. Every action has reaction.

[@11UncleBooker22]

the sad reality of the meat eating world. I've had an difficult time stopping. every time I do eat meat, I become aware of my addiction to it.

[@ChitranjanKumar12345]

आपकी बात मुझे बिल्कुल अच्छी लगती है आपने जो कहा है मुझे स्वामी विवेकानंद के वचन स्मरण में आ जाता है उन्होंने कहा था कि किसी भी जीव को मारकर खाना एक कुकर्म है गलत काम है हमें केवल युद्ध में या आप जब कोई खिलाड़ी हो जिसमें शारीरिक शक्ति की बहुत अधिक आवश्यकता है तभी हमें मांस भक्षण करना चाहिए वह भी तब जब आपके पास रसायनिक तरीके से निर्माण करने का दूसरा विकल्प ना हो .love you pazi .I totally agree with you on this issue same thing said by our beloved hindu sanyasi swami vivekanda.dont kill innocent animal .

[@daman3057]

great man ur knowledge yeah really god blessing you

[@GurwinderSingh-mu5fv]

I really love what you are doing mate. It would be great If your videos were available in Punjabi language too. Educate Indian Sikhs too. Great work brother!

[@tusharverma1926]

Not only teach Indian Sikhs but also to South Indian Hindus

[@jaschawla1]

It changed my ming n thought process today😶😳🙏

[@jbeads]

Thank you ~ definitely more respectful and compassionate to not eat meat 🙏

[@unitiindiversity5627]

waheguru ji waheguru ji.

[@KashmirSingh-xt5dc]

WAHEGURU.

[@iluvsmokeythecat23]

Those baby chicks :'(

[@karanbirsingh5963]

iluvsmokeythecat23 , awwww same here ....

[@birdz4l1fe]

I’m sad :/

[@rolandyap8640]

Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Keep up the good work

[@gurdevkaursandhu5323]

Very good job, very true,

[@ChitranjanKumar12345]

Hindu and Sikh are same blood brother we are of same family and place . I always admire the Sikh religion for their bravery and I am delighted to hear your thoughts on meat eating आपकी गल सुन के साड्डा दिल खुश हो गया जो बोले सो निहाल सत श्री अकाल वाहेगुरु जी का खालसा वाहे गुरु की फतेह

[@superflexist]

I whole heartedly do not agree with the statement that you've made concerning the matter that meat can be consumed if it is for an ethical reason (martial/warrior,moral,etc...). I do not know how people cannot see that it is clearly written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that meat is not meant for a Sikh, Why would we eat the dead and sully our temple (our body). We should make our Gurus into role models and follow in their footsteps (not saying that we should become Gurus). When we take Amrit we should keep our phanda (body) clean before taking it, you don't want to pour Amrit into a dirty phanda. This is my interpretation of bani, if I was put into a situation of starvation I will use bani as my feed, if it was a military situation I'll use bani as my strength because bani is the only food we should starve/strive for;vegetarianism is the first step into becoming a Sikh. Also I am pretty sure Singhs back in the day did not consume meat, they were saintly/warrior men they lived for bani and followed the Guru. On that final note our Guru does not give us riddles to solve, if you take your time bani will explain itself, I find it mind boggling that people are still fighting over answers when they are right in front of us. P.S If someone does not agree with me please don't reply back with a heinous message, I find it extremely interesting how Sikhs these days interpret Guru Ji. Also I am not here to tell people that you are wrong, you can do whatever you like because in the end of the day I don't know whose right and whose wrong only Waheguru does. (I humbly apologize if I have offended someone with my opinion) Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fathe

[@King0Jingaling]

Sorry but you are TOTALLY incorrect. This silly meat argument is total hippy rubbish, a massive childish non-issue that needs to be nipped in the bud. Guru Nanak HIMSELF was known to have gone to a festival in Kurekshetra and bought and cooked meat (either Venison or Goat) and eaten it with his followers. He was criticized by the Brahmins for doing so, and he LAUGHED at their hypocrisy (their ignorance of exploitation around them or caused because of them) and silly superstitious notions of 'meat/flesh pollution'. "The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom." - SGGS Ang 1289 Guru Hargobind and Guru Gobind were AVID warriors and hunters. Surely they would have cooked and eaten whatever wild game it is they caught and not wasted any of it? The Nihangs eat meat (which they raise and slaughter themselves). The Singhs living in the forests/mountains/desert fighting Guerilla Wars against the Mughals would have eaten meat. Even the Akal Takht said it's fine to eat meat. The ONLY limit is that the meat must be Jhatka (killed in one blow), and Halal (Kutha) is forbidden for good reason. Now WHO am I meant to believe? Them or you? ------ Do you know what OTHER current religion demands you be vegetarian? HINDUISM! Why are you telling Sikhs to follow Hindu practices? What's next? No meat on Tuesdays and Sundays? I've heard that one too! Maybe we should start bowing to rocks as well. Sorry, I am not a Hindu. I am a Sikh and I follow my Guru's example. That means I can eat meat if I CHOOSE to do so. However if YOU PERSONALLY wish to remain vegetarian and it makes it easier for you to sleep at night. I can totally respect that. I ask that you respect my position also. ------ That said Jagraj paji is totally right that in the Western world pretty much everything we eat has been industrialized, mutated, shortcutted for maximum profit and is plagued with disgusting unethical practices. Even being a VEGAN wouldn't solve that problem. How much deforestation and the destruction of animal habitats, how much land pollution in the form of fertilizers and insecticides (which is just poison and can easily kill humans if ingested) has been caused? Fact is we are ALL guilty in some respect, and if you aren't farming your own food you have no idea how ethical it is. The ONLY REAL solution is to push for laws that FORCE better ethical treatment of animals and regular checks on these meat plants. For example, there is no logical reason Male chicks need to be thrown away just because they grow 'slightly slower'. As Sikhs we should be at the FOREFRONT of these kinds of politics. Making fundamentally positive changes happen. Not faking moral indignation to give us a pathetic sense of superiority... Brahmin style.

[@superflexist]

King0Jingaling You are entitled to your opinion, do whatever makes you happy, I am not here to make lives miserable. Also according my knowledge bank there is no recorded history of any Guru eating meat (if so please do link me your "sources", also make sure is not from a biased site). I would also like to apologize to you because I did not read your thesis ( I stopped right when you claimed that Guru Nanak Dev Ji ate meat (no proof)) it did not sit well with my beliefs. P.S When you are citating Guru Ji make sure what it means ( don't plaster passages without explaining yourself). Also please don't ever start your debate by saying the other is totally wrong it, it makes you sound desperate and that you are trying force your idea on others, also like I said before we don't know whose right or wrong only God knows ( you have no rights to tell me that I am wrong ). P.P.S When you address yourself to another fellow Sikh please start with a fathe, don't go on saying that you're a Sikh when can't even address yourself properly. Just this has shown me that you have a lot of hunkaar. I will leave you with a question, what do you call a butcher and what do you call a holy man? www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Granth_Sahib_on_meat read this, it will explain itself (read the shabads) WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa WaheGuru Ji Ki Fathe

[@King0Jingaling]

superflexist I CLEARLY stated that you are entitled to your opinion on meat and whether you wish to eat it or not, sadly you never read that far. I do not mean to be TOO confrontational, but your opinion displays arrogance and ignorance of the facts. You're even talking about 'ritual purity' there! You reply to my post without even reading my arguments? That's hardly admirable behaviour in itself, you're merely shutting down debate with that attitude. It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it after all. Please read my entire reply. Here are sources telling of Guru Ji (and more) eating meat: www.sikhs.org/meat_au.htm www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Kurukshetra This is one of Guru Nanak's most well known Sakhi's (stories), you as a Sikh should be aware of this history. The passage of SGGS I cited (Ang 1289) is DIRECTLY related to this story. I said you are wrong because from my perspective you clearly are. Telling people to 'read Gurbani harder' and somehow we'll magically come to the same conclusion as you is AT BEST... INCREDIBLY ELITIST. You offer no evidence to support this assertion. A debate revolves around FACTS, and I have provided them for you. Either you must properly debunk them or you have to accept the fact that Sikhs CAN eat meat and take that knowledge with you. Now in my PERSONAL opinion, those Sikhs who are against ALL Sikhs eating meat on principle are merely pendalling a ridiculous unintelligent HINDU mindset (I've seen it before) and usually won't listen to anyones points on the matter. I hope very much this is not the case with you. And since you asked for it friend. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[@superflexist]

King0Jingaling Thank you for answering a minute portion of my paragraph and thank you for not answering the rest of it. Also I don't need to read your text to see where you are going, with only your intro I could make an idea about what you are going to talk about. Please read before you make a reference: your whole argument is in shambles now :/ ( I read the whole text ) it's the king who wanted to eat meat not Guru Ji and this is the part where he transforms the meat into rice pudding. "The Miracle that happened at that time has also been recorded. When everybody accepted his teaching and became his disciples, then the guru asked the people to open the cooking pot and eat and when it was opened then they found it was full of sweet rice pudding! all the pundits of various sects and the ordinary pepole ate sweet rice. Great guru nanak has come to liberate people from the cycle of births and deaths in this un - enlightened era of Kalyug. The guru advice to the pundits is repeated once the incessant remembrance of the lord." www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Kurukshetra Just to make things straight Sikh.Org is known as a extremely biased site and on top of that it barely has any references whatsoever. Please do your research before portray your smarts. If you actually read the passages on sikhiwiki that I have linked, you will see that Guru Ji is opposed to mass. You say that I talk about ritual, please point that out. Is Jhatka not a ritual? Just to make things clear, I have no arrogance or ignorance when I clearly state "in the end of the day I don't know whose right and whose wrong only Waheguru does." don't start naming people when you can't even back yourself up, you are digging your own grave. P.S Guru Granth Saib Ji is not random book written by a random Bob, its written by our Guru, so yes it does take a lot of attention,time and dedication to read/understand it. Tell me can you understand God so easily if so please start your own religion where we can all eat meat. P.S.S I don't read texts from people who've been humbled by their own arguments and paradoxes.. (Also please stop writing in caps it makes you look unprofessional)

[@King0Jingaling]

superflexist Next time you go to the Mandir friend, please ding the bell once more for me! :P You claim I am unprofessional (on KZbin no less!), but you outright admit that you refuse to read my argument? That's utter hypocrisy. You'd be laughed out of a real debate! I KNOW exactly what the article says (hence why I linked it), why would I bother hiding anything from you? Unlike you am I well aware of ALL the facts and arguments, whereas you bury your head in the dirt and only pick and choose what suits you. It's called CONFIRMATION BIAS. You suffer from it. Badly. The Sikhs.Org article has A LOT MORE REFERENCES than the Sikhiwiki article! How can it be more bias? So you're wrong there too. Nice try though. Better luck next time. Criticizing the site instead of dealing with the argument? That's low. That doesn't sound very SIKH-LIKE to me. Such arrogance... I'm glad you DID read the whole article, unlike my post which is too hard for you I guess? The Sakhi (which you didn't even know existed) has many various versions, and the idea that it ended in a miracle where the meat turns into rice pudding is ONE of them. Doesn't that ALSO suggest that in the eyes of Guru Ji, meat and rice pudding are totally interchangeable? And are you denying that Guru Nanak DID indeed cook meat for himself and his followers? What if the Brahmins never showed up, would it still have turned into rice pudding? Bhai Mardana was a Muslim and surely WOULD have eaten meat? In this version Guru Ji transformed it into rice pudding only to ACCOMMODATE the Brahmins. Just like how a Gurdwara serves only Vegetarian food to accommodate ALL religions. There is NO difference. ONLY preference. Once again: "The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom." - SGGS Ang 1289 Hahaha, you claim that JHATKA is a ritual? Have you lost it? Tell that to the Nihangs. I'm sure that'll go well! The technical term 'Jhatka' merely means 'quick kill' or 'single blow'. It is applied to BOTH the Sikh way of killing animals for food AND Sikh Martial Arts (Shastarvidiya). It is the most humane way of ending life. But I don't expect you to know that... So far you have only made the most feeble ATTEMPTS to tackle my facts on Guru Nanak. What about the rest? Do you deny that Guru Gobind and Guru Hargobind were hunters? Do you deny their actions? Do you deny that the Sikhs of old ate meat? Do you deny that Nihangs eat meat? That's some funny Sikh history you got there mate. And very disrespectful. Our history (Itihaas) is CRITICAL to us, and you trying to change it for your own benefit is DISGUSTING. Just stop. I don't need to start a new religion, but I'm sure that one as practical as Sikhi MAY NOT be the right one for you because you do not strike me as a practical person. The SGGS was designed for ALL Sikhs to be able to read it and understand it as long as they put in the effort. Obviously you must be some AMAZINGLY HIGHLY DEVELOPED Maha-Purakh and you don't need facts to win an argument! Only your feelings. Like I said, for people like you there's always Hinduism. You have billions of idols to choose from. Go nuts. Also, stop writing P.S. This is KZbin. You are not writing a letter.

[@siddharthkrraghav5157]

Sikhs and punjabi 80% people eat meat and regular dairy products. Mostly north indians eat meat also.

[@vjagpal]

Truth is if you Google, the most vegetarian states in India, Punjab and Rajistan will be at the top. Many punjabis eat meat but It is a myth that most punjabis eat. Also, Punjabi and Sikh is not the same thing. One is a culture based on region other is a culture based on spiritually.

[@samarpreetsingh1052]

Majority of the Sikhs are vegetarian in Punjab

[@absharma947]

Thank you brother. You are not biased. You are a true followere of gurus. Jai gurunanak dev ji.

[@anandbajpai1313]

My country is home to buddha, mahavir, ram, Shiva, guru Nanaketc and many more! Proud indian!

[@akilles9722]

Actually Guru nanak was born in Pakistan and died in Pakistan!

[@samad3251]

Buddha was born in Lumbini, Nepal. Please straighten your facts.

[@monaganani8090]

@@akilles9722 today's (pak , nepal, afganistan , myanmar , some part of china ) were the part of india for decades

[@monaganani8090]

@@samad3251 @Akilles97 today's (pak , nepal, afganistan , myanmar , some part of china ) were the part of india for decades

[@samad3251]

@@monaganani8090 India as a union and a single country was born in 1947; even the name India is given by the British. Nepal was never a British colony; let alone India. Check your facts again, mate. Majority of Nepalese and Indians follow the same religion; other than that, we have nothing in common. Wahe Guru Ek Onkar Satnam

[@Tsatsiki84]

I love the song in the start and the end of your clips. Where can I listen to the whole thing? :)

[@Tsatsiki84]

Thank you

[@happylife8444]

It is called Waheguru Simran or Waheguru Chant and Sikhs chant it when they meditate. There is video on KZbin of same chanting named "' Waheguru Simran by Jagdeep Kaur intro/outro of Basics of Sikhi" You can search it. Hope it helps Waheguru

[@happylife8444]

Here is link to that video kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3rLfJ2Copl0Z7M Thanks

[@colinlavery625]

What about Inuit in the Arctic where they have no option but meat, walrus etc etc ??? They can't grow anything.

[@mehtaabsandhu6969]

Proud of Sikhi after this introspection. If only we knew what we do !!!

[@kunalkhurana2839]

no one should kill animals they have right to live and breath in the environment in which you are living..

[@waitnotable]

+Kunal Khurana dont kill plants they have the right grow in the environment...

[@akalsingh33]

animals have brains and nerves and they feel the pain when you cut them! while plants have no brains etc so it's justified!

[@vikas__patel24]

sammy ALEXIS killing a plant is less harmful than killing a animal .. no ? bcoz we hv emotional attachment with animals .. we can feel their pain