Should women be able to join the SAS? | Jeremy Kyle

Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has announced that women are to be able to join the special forces and SAS. But is this a good idea? Joining Jeremy is Rusty Firmin, Ex-SAS and author of The Man with No Gloves, and Vix Anderton, Intelligence officer in the RAF for 10 years.
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[@Horizon344]

Women lack the physical strength, psychological-physical aggression & hunting pack instinct that men have, & would generally be a liability to any unit they were attached to in serious scale CQB scenarios. This is more to do with a cultural fad for "equal rights" than military utility. And a female ex-RAF intel. officer (who now teaches Yoga) arguing with an ex-Infantryman over this issue, as if she knows more about CQB than he does, is ridiculous as well.

[@tomcolton5662]

Most men can't pass SAS training, women have no chance.

[@kickcanlurky7147]

Well said that Man/Woman, c i'm at it now. !!***K

[@mcwaff8661]

@hanabira anee-chan no its literally science biology that women are weaker you cant if your way out of that one.

[@jakeburnsmusician]

I think the recruiting grounds for joining any elite unit, be it paras, RM SAS or SBS should be the same for both males and females

[@dwaingambino1979]

@@samfisher2306 why 6ft 2. 220. Shes in trouble vs a 5ft 5. 145 man

[@AndyNigel762]

Yup. First of military intelligence 🤦🏾‍♂️ to a yoga teacher telling a infantry let alone SAS troop about how to do his job

[@still_waters]

Why are woman not allowed to compete against or join the same team in mens RUGBY or FOOTBALL or TENNIS. Answer - Because they are not able to compete at the same level. Rugby - BOXING !! can you imagine! These are only sport! SAS is a much higher level than sport!

[@shusterandy]

On top of That people die in SAS selection. It's some of the most harsh and brutal training in the world. SAS Training actually makes the NFL look like Disney land, you never ever see a woman play football with other men. It's completely asinine to put a woman through SAS Training.

[@finnbarsnowdrop545]

Fine. Form a women-only SAS entirely separate from the men's. Let them risk each others' arses and not the mens'. You can't integrate critically differing physical ability in units in SF. Doing so risks lives.

[@tomcolton5662]

Women could operate in back office. No idea why they would want to be infield.

[@finnbarsnowdrop545]

@David Ward Who said the women would 'get' any resources? Like the Originals in the SAS, they would have to start the unit from scratch. If they *really* want to do it. The Originals didn't get any help. They had to scrape resources together. That's part of being SAS. Nobody said anything about handing them over a fully kitted unit like a birthday present. If they want it they should earn it, like Stirling's original crew did.

[@finnbarsnowdrop545]

@David Ward They would already be paid as currently enlisted. You can't join SF without 3 years service anyway. Special Forces didn't start on 'SF pay' in Stirling's day. I see no problem.

[@JR-ju3kj]

I've been saying that about Special Operations and Special Forces military units for the American and Canadian military( I'm from Canada) . Form an all-female combat unit and see how that goes. I agree with Navy SEAL Mike Ritland, people are going to get killed. Political correctness and social experiments will get people killed in that world. Women in the SAS, SBS, the Navy SEALs, Delta Force, U.S. Army Rangers, Joint Task Force 2, Polish Grom, etc, is just not a good idea.

[@overthewebb]

Why doesn't the social justice warrior talk about the fact in every sport in the Olympice men destroy women, hence why we are separate?

[@quantumresonance8201]

Give them the chance to join without lowering the standard! We can settle this debate once and for all!

[@ragnardanneskjold6509]

Yet more wilful ignorance of the bell curve. Men are more diverse than women in almost every physical, mental and psychological measure; men have a higher *standard deviation or 'spread' of the curve* So you can pretty much guarantee that if only one in 10,000 men have the ability/aptitude/intent to join the elite SF, it will be one in 500,000 women. This is borne out in the stats for Chess Grandmasters (7 out of 500). If you think you can't compare Grandmasters with Special Forces, again, learn more about statistics

[@shade38211]

US military has women attend Airborne school. 10 started my class and 3 finished, but under women standards. Bar hang instead of 10 pull-ups , push ups on knees and less sit-ups . Easiest way 2 see difference was US soccer gold medalist team gets beat by HS boys team or watch mixed doubles in tennis. Have 2 daughters and want them 2 try and dream, but not bending reality or getting by on lower standard. Even if women could fill out an infantry unit with men's standards, you would be creating a mess in cohesion. 18-21 year old young men and women together would be High school drama. Just info, US army doesn't allow weapons or women in barracks , at least none of infantry units I have been in.

[@jinx8624]

And it's not just phisical either women would find it harder to kill the enemy and would be alot less aggressive

[@gordonmillsjr.1957]

I personally don’t think there’s much chance that a woman could pass SF selection , but if one eventually does, she’d surely be an absolute beast! Bring it on (but don’t hold your breath).

[@carbonrough]

.... diversity and inclusion ... sets the spider senses a tingling !!!

[@richardfox6595]

Yes, you know she'll be a crackpot with that intro

[@kevinodom2918]

This woman scares me & there's a lot like her out there. They can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with. They dont feel pity or remorse or fear and they absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are all dead.

[@electricink3908]

Even if they could pass, they would destroy morale and unit cohesion

[@kamsco5711]

No debate. Don't make it gender specific, just don't lower the standards. If 99% of the stronger sex are failing SAS recruitment test, I don't think anyone of the weaker sex will pass it.

[@mathematics5573]

it would help if Rusty Firmin wasn't being interrupted at the time. If the woman allowde him to speak and explain, it would help us all.

[@derektomlinson2521]

As ex RAF I can’t understand why an RAF intelligence officer is commentating on special forces roles

[@mathematics5573]

The red haired lady is just being opiniated. She should listen to Rusty and Ant Middleton.

[@mathematics5573]

I can't see a woman picking up an injured 13 stone man and all equipment and carrying him 15 miles over rough terraine. A man could do it.

[@mickeydee1410]

PMS in SAS - what a joke!

[@richardfox6595]

Yes, imagine a week in some cold wet LUP with a female SAS trooper going through PMS.

[@rfj1156]

Most women in the Army can't even make it past the 4th Week of Infantry training and you're expecting them to be in one of the most elite fighting forces in the world. The Yoga instructor was only an intelligence officer, she's probably never seen combat. You're telling me that she'd get into the SAS? No. So it's a Yoga instructor who never saw combat vs a man who saw combat and rescued several hostages

[@talktv]

Do you think women would be able to fill roles in the special forces and SAS? ▼

[@tomcolton5662]

Sausage Rolls.

[@tomcolton5662]

Tuna Mayo.

[@BrionyDavid]

@@tomcolton5662 I think you're thinking of M&S, not SAS. Very similar I've heard in the run up to Christmas.

[@joshthemigpro1733]

No

[@wishfix]

Our SAS soldiers are highly trained very efficient killing machines. To enter this elite group an individual will enter a different world from being a regular soldier. Physical and mental torture , starvation, eating disgusting things to survive, beatings during interrogation, running endless miles carrying 50+ lbs, sleep depavation, sensory depravation...... and that's the easy part. Basically it is intensive torture to weed out any who are not up to the job, those who's heart is not in it and the dreamers. Equality is one thing, stupidity is quite another. These soldiers rely on each other to survive and need to know that the man next to them will do whatever it takes in any situation. Picking up an injured soldier who might weigh 180 lbs and carrying him over any distance without giving up will require physical strength, stamina etc. At the end of the day women will be allowed to join but none will pass training unless standards are lowered so this really is a non starter.

[@kevinodom2918]

They truly have no respect or do they understand what special forces actually do. We’re in a sad state in the west.

[@AI-tc8fv]

Seems like a bad idea but all I know is id be terrified of a woman who could survive SAS selection

[@jinx8624]

Lucky for you then none of them can

[@misfit2022]

Only 3% of men pass SAS training so they would have to lower the standards considerably. Also not just physical but mental too.

[@davetdowell]

The US government released a study showing the combat effectiveness of mixed gender units is considerably less than that of all male units, and that was from the US marines, who are far less combat effective than Royal Marines, let alone SF. So the 'gender diversity' advocate you included in your program is talking utter shite. Also can you stop talking about strength, strength isn't as important as stamina in SF roles. Being able to drag an injured man 200 meters back to a position where he can be evactuated from, is entirely different to having to carry an injured man 12 miles, because you are behind the line and there is no support who are going to come help you evacuate him. Rusty is correct, but that won't be worth anything. Men will die unnecessairly, but again that won't matter, because it won't be the diversity advocates, or politicians who decided the lives of the men who will die unnecessary, are unimportant. And you all wonder why Britishmen are no longer willing to join up and stand in defence of the dystopia you've all created. You're having to aim to recruit non-British nationals to protect you, because we won't anymore.

[@jammydodger7726]

Spot on. I would never tell my boys to become soldiers in the British military now.

[@paullomax4038]

Are US marines less effective than Royal marines? I'm not saying you're wrong but on what is that based?

[@kevinsmith-dn1px]

Hell no! They'll be an absolute liability.

[@jackjohnson6230]

The silly women is delusional Rusty is right no women would pass without watered down standards

[@clipz4238]

I feel for rusty. Its offensive for woman to do less then us to get in the same role

[@jackjohnson6230]

@@clipz4238 exactly totally agree

[@Lovelylove4everyone]

I love listening to Nanny State harpies. It almost makes you wish the food would run out even sooner.

[@jamestodd1104]

The wear and tear on a woman’s body is too much. Even if you can pass the test

[@GreatWhite7]

In sheep shearing the male record is 867 lambs. For women its 648 lambs. Thats a difference by around 33%. If strength does matter in the SAS, and I would imagine it does, then women would not pass anyways.

[@darthfakington2227]

And how many women have successfully entered the SAS since this program 4 years ago? Zero.

[@lloydellis5570]

This is easily fixed, let’s get a section of male and then a section of females and have them run through a section attack range. Then you’ll see the comparison, one will be an efficient effective collective the other will be women

[@Draugh39]

Strange how this female omitted the US studies in this and only looked at the Canadian... The US marines did an evaluation on this (link below) I quote: "The Marine Corps just released a year-long study testing whether women can survive the rough, grueling world of ground combat. The details are stark. All male units outperformed mixed-gender units across the board." So yes, this is PC nonsense. *** www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439246978/marine-corps-release-results-of-study-on-women-in-combat-units

[@karon7030]

No women shouldn't men can operate better then women , sorry if this statement annoys any woman that disagrees 🤗

[@jinx8624]

I think they should be able to attempt to join (wich all of them would fail) However we should not lower the standards and make the sas weaker I dont think we should lower the standards for the regular army either unless it is ww3 and we are running out of soldiers Quality>Quantity Keep the sas as the best special forces in the world WHO DARES WINS

[@DfsOutlier]

Women also have issues in combat roles with maintaining health. In long term field situations they break down physically much faster than men.

[@darrenbetts2987]

If you lower the standards of testing for special forces for women so they can pass maybe they could form their own unit and call it ‘almost special forces’ or something like ‘specially lowered testing forces’.

[@DotSight]

UK Army training both specific vocational skills and generic is and has been driven by Training Objectives since the early 70,s publication of the Army Systems Approach to Training and later evolved into DSAT. Objective Training criteria and assessment of competence is a key part of the SAS selection process which allows the Regiment to measure a candidates entry standard to then be assest as having the potential to be an SF soldier. However what is often missed by the critics of the system is the subjective measure with a less defined measure criteria based on performance, conditions and standards of the most valuable i presume qualities being character, trust, will the candidate fir in to the unit etc. A male or female candidate could do very well for the duration of the course passing the times, distance, runs, navigation tests etc,( Objective testing) but something about them as a person just does not sit right with the selection team. The bottom line is the unit is self selecting and if you perform well and they like your attitude, behaviours, values and character you have a better chance of success than a candidate who was top on all tests whose attitude stinks and the team dont like! Self selection by peers has its flaws but who else knows better if a man or a woman will be the best fit in such a select group of people?

[@karon7030]

Lol hormones periods and mood swings definitely would affect the job , women know yr place and stay away from guns

[@HemantKumar-fw7of]

The answer is a big 'NO'. SPECIAL AIRBORNE SERVICES the big Daddy of special forces the studies shows that man's are best for special forces services. The government gonna know it in a hard way if they approve females for special forces services. The intelligence officer is right it's easy to talk in a room but that officer who spent time in the battlefield gained experience is the only one who tells you the truth.

[@johnbuckley1584]

My missus can't even fill a fucking flask without fucking it up, never mind joining the SAS. And that's just the SwedishAirlinesService..

[@OldglenSea-cw4ps]

I thought that men had to be drunk before their wives hit them with a frying pan? Women in the SAS? Release a couple of mice and they'll fuck off!

[@OldglenSea-cw4ps]

Also, let them box men, and race men, and play tennis against men etc., etc., etc,. It's fucking ridiculous!

[@dwaingambino1979]

They cant even compete in call of duty 😂

[@aimarramadhan2380]

The SAS is the place where women shouldn't belong. At least they could join for the RAF as a pilot or other military branch that requires more thinking than physical tasks which women are very good at.

[@Andrew-is7rs]

They will never be able to pass the physical. The SAS/SBS will not lowering the standard. So front line SF? No. Can a 60kg woman pick up and carry a 15st bloke who’s been shot to safety? I doubt that very much. I think the only woman who has ever come close for the RM’s managed just about 9 weeks out of the 32 required. Women cannot do the same as men like they can. They simply are not strong enough physically. Just a fact. A tiny minority ever get into the SAS, the standard cannot be dropped for women.

[@anoldgeezer1]

women in the sas 🤣

[@claytonburke105]

no 😂

[@thewatcheronthewall85]

Even if 1 woman was able to pass this it wouldn't be good enough, men pass this all the time. But imagine if 1 woman passed the media would go crazy.

[@markkavanagh7377]

When I was a feminist I believed that it would be a movement that would find other ways than war to deal with issues. I was stupid, but then I'm just male.

[@holyfieldism]

They don’t understand that they would not pass as they would be beasted till they drop ,so there’s no chance.

[@olivercowpland2146]

Those standards can’t be lowered

[@kentallard8852]

Women were in the SAS doing undercover surveillance in Northern Ireland in the 1980s and 1990s, they were armed and in firefights.

[@Tony-1971]

Who were the ones who passed selection?

[@oliverruddock3659]

Firstly, RAF intelligence speaking about infantry roles? WTF, I get her point but I think they could have chosen a completely different person to her as she was RAF, If she was part of the RAF regiment I would understand but she worked behind a computer so there is an extremely large difference of experiences, they could have chose one from the infantry or so one who has been in a fire fight.

[@thewatcheronthewall85]

Idiots have been watching GI JANE too much. Not even the best female Olympian could come close.

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

It's dangerous for a woman to take the sas course the interrogation section will cause them mental health issues. A man screaming in your ear for 48 hours hooded wet in a stress position they have no chance.

[@ansonpotter]

No

[@markdamen730]

all positions military or otherwise should be based on merit/not political correctness

[@tommyboi9]

Most men wash out in selection. Its imperative that we dont lower the bar cause this is serious shit these guys have to be capable of.

[@shizuku4014]

This is like saying why don't we let woman join the 100m race with men and MAYBE they might just win. NO.

[@jammydodger7726]

Short answer. No. Theres a reason why there isnt a female version of the Tour de France.

[@psychominded3243]

Just another woman looking for inequality. Her whole attitude to it seems ignorant. She didn't even know what it entailed or even know a woman trying to do it!

[@holyfieldism]

Come on women will never get in the special forces as they could not pass the tests.

[@pauldapprich169]

Raf intelligence argument is lalalalalalalala

[@Jc_c99]

Im not even from the UK and this pisses me off. If thats the case they might lower the standards for them. If women want to be SAS. Then they have to meet the same standards as men dont lower the standards. In the U.S Marines men and women are both Marines but have different standards. Women do 8 pulls or hang for 30 secs they get a perfect score. Men do 20 pull ups they get a perfect. Fuck that make women meet the same requirements as men.

[@jamiewalker8131]

I think that if you have a woman and a man on the same diet and workout the man will be physically better. However the question for rusty is that if women reach the same level as the men would he accept it

[@benmcwilliam1648]

They could paint each others toe nails, in the field, camaflage preferably.....😏

[@Isabelle_boothman]

That woman on the right has absolutely no clue what she is taking about . Purely there as a devils advocate

[@zaynevanbommel5983]

I have always opposed Women in Combat Roles this is not due to ignorance or Chevanisum Its due to Experiance ! I my time in the Armed Services it was my misfortune to work in an outfit that had mixed sex platoons OCS Officer Cadet School Waiouru I this unit things ran pretty much as normal in camp apart from the usual love triangle BS... But when it came to actually doing the job in the field that is when things turned to Custard ! women pulling out of the bush due to that time of the month women having sexual realtions whilst on Sentry and a miriad of other BS problems ! A fighting mans job is to focus on the tasks at hand ie killing the Enemy and having women around only creates problems this is just a fact not an accusation at any paticular gender just a fact of human behaviour. Men and women work better when they work without the other that is also just a fact of life. Now i will get to the double standards in the NZ Army women are only allowed to carry 1/3 of their body weight and as most women are in the 50-70kg range anyone who has served can see the problem this creates women also have lower standards of fitness and strenght this is just a Biological fact women are allowed to do their pressups on their knees due to this they have also a lower target on the BFT more time to do the 2.4km run and less situps in fact they have changed the situp requirement to chrunchies instead of actual situps they say this is because of the back problems that sit ups causes but this is BS its to lower the standard so that women can pass the test yet again lowering the effectiveness of fighting units. This policy has been forced upon us over several decades by SJWs and polititicans who have pushed the "Girls can do anything" social justice experiment not anything to do with reality So there you have it that is my reasoning behind my stance on this subject i am not a woman hater by any strech of the imagination I love them as any male should lol At the end of the day this policy WILL cost lives at the end of the day if they were serious about this (all those SJWs and Polititicans) they would have started in professional sport and seen it fail massively but they chose to experiment in an organisation that the Government controls and the people have no say over Mark my words this stupid idea will cost lives !

[@hisonlyfriend2840]

OK now... calm down calm down.... So... I think, this is a good idea BECAUSE this makes it look less sexist, BUT women wont be able to do it anyways. And the reason for that is that they're women, they are not built like men. So unless they lower the standards we will be fine

[@PeteLogan101]

NO...!

[@benmcwilliam1648]

I think no, because it completely changes the dynamic of the situation, mixed gender units, would loose there focus,and things could become very confused indeed..... Also males and females are physically different, what happens when they have period pains? Will the enemy give them time out? 🤔 Tell that to Isis ......

[@ethanobrien4707]

This woman is delusional.

[@clivevale]

It's political correctness gone wrong. Having said that, in recognition of the many first-class women in the Army, they should be given the chance to attend selection, on the same terms as the men, in which case they will certainly fail, and one would assume that would be the end of the matter. Job done!

[@Teasehirt]

Equality of opportunity does not equal equality in the outcome ... This erodes standards, which is ok in some workplaces but In highly-specialised services look at the fire service to see the drop off standards. look at Grenfell Tower and London Riots the service standard is eroded when lives are at risk how can you endorse this. They would end up lowering the Standards we already seen this. They lowered the height of the average bobby and that has lead to a less efficient and less opposing police force which is more susceptible to attacks. How many women would want this - this is a matter of National Interest lets have a referendum. These people need to look at what the SAS actually do ... they are not in the same Universe. Bill Sherman "What is the obsession with women in special forces is there only one Olympics one MMA one boxing let's put Connor McGregor in the ring with Holly Holm let's see how that goes nothing against women but when you kick a terrorist door in at 3am and have to go hands-on with 3-4 terrorists the woman becomes a liability no doubt" ... This is leftist Agenda being used to divide people.

[@lauriebarnett590]

Feminist need to leave the military alone or we're definitely lose the need war

[@richardmaxwell4923]

If they can meet the SAME standards as men, I don't see why not, but if they need special treatment to get in, they shouldn't try.

[@Inferno-ob9td]

The old man is right

[@eval7952]

If diversity helps w problem solving, why can’t they get along here?? Problem solve woman!

[@Lee-70ish]

Match men in performance with no watering down exactly the same selection ( no gender percentage requirements ) why not

[@mentzerr]

oh just to add to this noncience. women would be good behind the men fighting. ie.some organising logistics..

[@georgesoiman9737]

It's like telling children Santa Claus doesn't exist.What does "THE BEST IN THE WORLD" means to a woman? Absolutely Nothing.

[@andrews4527]

All requirements must be kept the exact same, if a women cant handle it, tuff, if a man cant handle it, tuff,

[@TimberwolfC14]

While I can understand that women would like (like.terrible word) to enter the special forces unfortunately it is a bridge too far. In the main special forces operate in small teams and are on ops for extended periods carrying loads 60 kg+ over broken terrain at times on short rations and water and the tasks required are getting harder, longer and more dangerous as due to increased publicity and frequent clashes potential opponents become familiar with tactics and methods used by special forces.

[@JohnnieB13]

NO

[@stevenhenry7862]

I think if, a woman can pass Selection and the Probation time, then they should be in. However, even though I would like to see women pass Selection, I personally don't think they are physically able to.

[@secondchance4498]

What would happen if a female soldier (SAS) was harmed on the field, perhaps under fire and her 2/3/4 male team had to remover her clothes to treat wounds etc? Just finding a bush to squat and have a dump could be a problem if you need to stay with a team mate (male) due to it being a hostile situation. Its not the regular army where there will be many other women about and medics on had. It could be a small group of men, with one/two women in the middle of nowhere. I don't think the women that would join the SAS are going to be the ones having a problem with these issues. There are some tough women out there, but are the army/government going to give the OK should some of these issues get sunlight? Will the army say their OK with women exposing themselves next to male collages? I think you could go all day with these questions......Who knows?????

[@misfitm1457]

Women already DO do that, it isn't a problem

[@aokusman6637]

Nope.

[@stephentaylor2119]

lets have all women infantry battalions and SAS squadrons and then send them in the thick it with an "a told you so " attached to it.

[@johndc498]

equality of opportunity not equality of outcome .. let them try and see if they can ..

[@kevinodom2918]

Wonder who the 1st special forces man is that will be kicked out and life destroyed for offending some woman.

[@kevinsmith-dn1px]

If they do the standards will drop because the test will have to be made easier.

[@billsherman8755]

What is the obsession with women in special forces is there only one Olympics one MMA one boxing let's put Connor McGregor in the ring with Holly Holm let's see how that goes nothing against women but when you kick a terrorists door in at 3am and have to go hands on with 3-4 terrorists the woman becomes a liability no doubt

[@MrCardinal1965]

It is a well recorded fact that most soldiers come back from kinetic war fighting suffering from some kind of post traumatic stress disorder. Have a look at how the British Army has changed post the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and one will see that there are fewer soldiers wearing medals. The majority leave having tasted war or having been medically discharged through having psychological problems having done horrible murderous things to other human beings. I struggle to think where a society is going when it wants to subject its females to this kind of barbarity and that these female soldiers may want to become mothers later on in life and raise children having themselves been psychologically damaged by war. If what I am saying is in doubt have a look at the documentary WW1’s Secret Shame : Shell shock- by Dan Snow and see how this side of military life is hidden. It also seems apparent that those females advocating a combat role ( ie infantry) have not ever served in that role and always use the tag line ‘for those who want to go down that route ‘). One of the jobs of an infantryman is to support comrades who are under fire, this would require soldiers to run 2 miles in 18 mins carrying 35-40lb of equipment and extra ammunition and all of your weapons and other specialist equipment. When under fire the needs for ammunition resupply will often be done on foot. I served with and trained female soldiers alongside their male counterparts and although fitness overall increased over the training period, gender fitness gaps did not reduce in any significant way. That is not to say they were not capable soldiers in roles suited to their specific abilities. Tank crew, pilots or artillery, but infantry is a different ball game. E.g. for as good as Nicola Adams is excellent at boxing, no one would seriously consider pitting her against an in form Mike Tyson- the consequences would be self evident. ( Anyone remember the knife fight in Saving Private Ryan)? Our future enemies will field armies capable of doing the job and we must avoid making the mistake of planning the next war based upon the last war we fought. The whole of history is against this idea- and for those who site Russia in WW2 females were snipers, tank crews and partisans in a backs to the wall all or nothing fight for survival. The Israeli IDF women are more security as opposed to hands on kinetic fighting. Last point over 100 women soldiers were sent back from camp Bastion (Afghanistan) due to pregnancy issues, group combat efficiency and cohesiveness is paramount.

[@anthonyryan9706]

A beating under interrogation would rule out women immediately

[@AndyNigel762]

They can't even pass ranger selection but want special forces

[@NickThorbjørnsen2207]

Short answer. No. Long answer..... No.

[@lionpauu7360]

By the time we get to military combat, problem solving, and diversity of perspective, is over with and it is only about who is militarily superior. So, any place made available to women for diversity’s sake will take a place form a man who could be selected, without the need for a bespoke preparation course. In MMA contests women contestants are being easily beaten by transgender contestants in the same weight class. The military is not about who can scrape through the selection but who is the best. Forget the buzzword salad BS, this is nothing more than the thin end of the wedge.

[@shusterandy]

What the hell these women have no idea, SAS training is some the worst in the world and brings the toughest men to their knees men have died from from the SAS training. No man would want a women to go though that kind of torture. A lot of times you go though the hell of the selection portion a lot of people don't even pass.

[@BedfordBear27]

There more than welcome to try,but they'll never pass

[@samcook9943]

If a woman can pass the physical testing they may as well go in the olympics

[@VonDutch68]

As soon as you hear the word 'diversity' you know its political.

[@SunilPatel-mq4zt]

British special forces train with the Americans because they are brothers