Should You Barbell Row On Starting Strength?

Starting Strength Coach Grant Broggi explains who should consider doing the barbell row, and how to program it into your Starting Strength program.
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[@Mukation]

Usually the "barbell" row reffers to when the bar hangs in the air without touching the floor, while the "pendley" row reffers to when the bar starts from a dead stop on the floor in the circles i run in. The Pendley Row is definatly more power and strength oriented while the barbell row is for hypertrophy (the comparison is similar to stiff leg deadlifts vs romanian deadlift in my opinion)

[@gregorysuchyta]

This is correct - the Starting Strength crowd uses barbell row and Pendlay row interchangeably (I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to utter Pendlay's name.) From the hang is definitely not a Pendlay row.

[@Mukation]

@@gregorysuchyta Glenn Pendley didn't invent the "dead stop" row, the general lifting community just sort of collectively named it after him cause he started yo use it at a time when it had been in hiatus for awhile. But you're right, SS community don't like to give him credit, cause he was a bit of an ass and an internet troll. And people realised they could row way more weight that way and then strength training became popular again after having been overshadowed by bodybuilding for a handful of years.

[@arielrowley5198]

​@@Mukation Glenn Pendlay!! The People’s Coach legends never die!

[@Mukation]

@@arielrowley5198 He was definatley a legend!

[@stevesorensen9648]

The Pendlay row (regardless of who initiated it) is in fact when you put the bar on the ground between each repetition rather than doing continuous reps. Hands still remain on the bar during the Pendlay version, there's just a brief reset after each rep, and more weight can be used. Each individual in this clip is "Pendlay" rowing.

[@beburs]

Old school rows are the true barbell rows, completely parallel to the ground with knees slightly bent and feet closer than or at shoulder width. It really builds the back thickness and doesn’t interfere with squat or deadlift volume.that with a deadlift a pull-up and a dumbbell pullover and you should be golden 👌

[@carps_gym]

Yep!

[@paperstaxs9541]

Crazy idea. I barbell row with a Nsuns 531 programming one day and my next back day I seal row for a 5x5. The seal rows really keep your form and ego in check for the barbell rows.

[@406dn7]

It was all of the leg drive that convinced me to ditch the barbell row. It is, imo, a almost impossible to avoid cheat. So, for a long time now, I do weighted pull ups for my pulling exercise. While that can also be cheated, it is easier not to.

[@Mukation]

Nothing wrong with "cheat" rows as long as you're being honest with yourself about what your strict row is at and that you occasionally reset the weights and start rowing strict again for awhile.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

Ever thought of lever rows?

[@406dn7]

@@InvisibleHotdog No, I've been pretty satisfied with weighted pull ups. I'm just an old man just wanting to stay strong.

[@Lavabug]

Do both twice a week. The "cheating" is actually a positive: dynamic movements recruit more muscle fibers. Maintaining a neutral spine also trains lower back endurance. Pullups alone can't do this.

[@406dn7]

@@Lavabug I deadlift and back squat regularly, and lift pretty heavy (for an old man) with both lifts. We all make choices in the gym, I like the choices I've made.

[@alb1618]

Anyone find that pendlay row is good for bench press strength increases?

[@chriscota1635]

I find it helps my bench for sure. Maybe not strength but definitely more stable which allows me to bench more weight over time

[@chriscota1635]

Unfortunately a knee injury has had me using pull down and midrow for the last six weeks. But I can’t wait to get back to Pendlay rows

[@alb1618]

@@chriscota1635 👍

[@jayfountainsm.d.3651]

This form is too wild.

[@sherrischwartz6844]

Okay stupid question probably, but do you have older women do this move? I am 46 and my husband who loves this move is always trying to get me to do the barbell row. I don't like it and have only been working out a little over a year.

[@adamhinkle5580]

My 2 cents, if you do this exercise strict and without leg drive it is a top movement for keeping your back healthy and building the strength for good posture. If you’re already deadlifting and doing some other direct back exercise, since you don’t like them then I don’t think they are required

[@InvisibleHotdog]

0:50 that is absolutely not a Pendlay row. Pendlay rows are off the floor with solid form, Pendlay explains it in a video on here

[@carnivorehitman]

Pro Tipp: Use a T-Bar Row (i.e. landmine) hinge/adapter and use a parallel/neutral grip handle for rows (or a Swiss bar). Why? Less grip issues (I.e. stronger grip without straps) and grip variance (DL already has mixed or double overhand grip, chins are usually supinated or same as DL, curls are usually supinated …). I recommend DLs double overhand/mixed, rows neutral, chins/curls supinated. Best of all worlds! 🎉

[@Alex-xi3bw]

Why do they use so much leg drive? Whenever I look up barbell row videos there's hardly any knee extension, but here they pretty much completely extend them

[@oggsmash9989]

I know Rippetoe has said in the past this version of a row is not a replacement for a power clean but it is a means of putting something a bit more explosive and dynamic into a lifters routine...especially if they are older and do not do power cleans. I do not use this version with the leg drive. I have no experience using them. I do see where they would overload the back and create a stimulus in the back. I just prefer to row as strict as I can manage (I think everyone has some wiggle when the rowing gets tough, as the nature of the exercise is for the last 3 inches or so to be by far the hardest portion, where most exercises the last 3 inches is the easiest) and ditch the leg drive. If I want to leg drive I will just do some power cleans.

[@prideneverdies1001]

Placido!

[@humanspecieseradicationmedia]

0:53 You got them flipped. Pendlay starts on the ground each rep

[@Some_Dude_88]

Everyone, Everyone Should Barbell Row Next Question

[@bcubed72]

Does he just go to the barber's with a photo of Teddy Roosevelt and say, "this?"

[@rokisoree]

For big arms Barbell Wall Strict Curls: 3 Sets x 5-6 Reps JM Press 3-Sets x 5-6 Reps Cable triceps kickback 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps Incline Curl 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps Behind the Neck Rope Cable Tricep Extensions 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps Preacher curls 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps This is just a base, there are many more options that can be used all can be superset

[@thomasowens4844]

I stopped using barbell rows because it was so taxing on my lower back. I was doing so many things to tax my lower back but as soon as I stopped doing barbell rows I felt so much better.

[@MhUser]

:O did he just try to sell 60$ straps :O

[@humanspecieseradicationmedia]

2:32 I did 365 3x5 with double-overhand (not hook grip) last week. From a hang too, not "Pendlay" style. People strap up because their grip is weak because they strap up for everything

[@jerrythomas4457]

Has your mustache gotten thicker since starting carnivore?

[@manga1970]

13 inch arms 😂

[@briangentile7305]

You want a back like Arnold, train like Arnold. You want to train and look like you don't even lift, then train like this guy 😅

[@inpropagation]

That's fucking dumb

[@HenchPig]

Arnolds training was trash just like most bodybuilders. Bodybuilders are just guys with amazing genetics and are willing to take an amount of steroids that’s going to half your lifespan.

[@everydaywarriors]

imagine Brian thinking he's going to look like Arnold. Then looking half as good as 'this guy'. The swamp is full of people like Brian.

[@kobemop]

He looked pretty jacked when he was in Cancun. Anyway, the guy lifts for strength, not really aesthics.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

This dude's been skipping brain day

[@everydaywarriors]

Ay man, you said Deadlift, Clean, and Row. Why did you cut out the snatch like that?

[@everydaywarriors]

@@DPB85 I watched Rip's video on what the power clean trains, and it provides an additional case for training the power clean. Also it's a higher power / lighter weight movement than a clean, and should probably be utilized by people with some athletic aspirations.

[@everydaywarriors]

@@DPB85 The snatch is trained on 1 of 3 days that you're in the gym. If you're talking American football, I'm pretty sure the power snatch would be very valuable, as it's weight taken explosively through the longest kinetic chain. And what do you think?

[@everydaywarriors]

@@DPB85 I think the snatch can be picked up for a late novice within 2-4 sessions. Then it can be trained as a power snatch moving forward. Would you say that's worth it?

[@everydaywarriors]

@@DPB85 I'm talking about someone who squats above 405, and uses snatches as a rest from heavy pulling.