Should you Build SMART or BIG? - Rust

[@HororKodStudio]

"The TC is on the roof, it's literally a KZbin video base" -The Guy just freebuilt it "The TC is on the roof 100%" -TC Isn't on the roof "I've killed all the turrets" -A few turrets left "Just follow my rockets" -You're a team, consult with the others instead of doing whatever "This guy builds mazes, I've seen his youtube videos" -Guy's not a content creator "Blows here ! It's only 4 rockets" -Wall doesn't lead to TC This ducky guy really is the king of bad comms

[@2Stepzupp]

As soon as he instantly died 4 times he had no useful comms and just whined, threw off the team moral and team comms and the whole 2nd raid fell apart - one of many reasons I don't like to play with squeakers or anyone who sounds 13

[@MikeCornwall]

An AloneInTokyo collab in the future would be awesome. Would be great to see how your raiders get on against someone like him, who does it solo against clans. Congratulations on your growth this year. The content you've produced has been really refreshing. I think Rust YT content has been a little stagnant of late so it's really cool to see this type of stuff. Long may it continue and good luck next year.

[@ad.78600]

Indeed and dont tell the raiders team and watch their reaction at end 😂

[@lgod5899]

Motion would be cool too

[@TronG33k]

They would just fail fast.

[@Voltairus30]

If AIT got to build one of his bases there's no way a team of 4 like these dudes would be able to handle it, imo. They were way too disorganized and careless with things.Lol They were literally shooting different walls, ignoring each others calls, wasting time arguing, etc. The only thing that would stop AIT is if he ran out of time trying to build/upgrade everything to his usual specifications or if you used a larger group with a lot of hours playing with each other.

[@travv88]

yes

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Hopefully the small build wins so I can show my girlfriend and tell her to stop complaining

[@HesbshHudson]

Same man

[@Lordnetanyahu]

????

[@51mplle]

Best comment

[@doneaalexandru9336]

You play rust and have a gf?? I thought we all have only 24 hours in a day

[@TFG_grub]

Same man

[@sleepyheadmemes]

You should have the 2 base owners wager how many rockets they can take against each other. Like if one guy thinks he can handle 40 rockets, both players have to try to defend against that many.

[@CraigTheBear]

It would be cool to add a counter raider component to this series and see how it goes

[@JoyfulSadboy]

from what I understand, old rust bases were strong and expensive mostly because the tc upkeep worked differently, although todays bases are based on cost for efficiency which leads for cutting on actual raid cost for better peaks. at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you have a big, small, tanky or cheap base, what matters is how you use your base. while playing a wipe you get used to the layout of your base that helps you with the raid defence.

[@kghhansenn]

old rust didn't even have upkeep, so you could build giant

[@avery1349]

The best builders can actually make all 3 work in tandem though, using highly complex separated shells with cheap honeycombing split onto different tcs, made up of an interaction of floorstackes halfgaps, freehand gaps, and widegaps. Layer this with specific build techniques like functional honeycomb window lootable rooms and pixel gaps, vending machine tricks, and you can make highly efficient hefty raid cost bases with top tier peaks

[@avery1349]

Understanding how your footprint will influence all of this is also super important, because great forethought can let you set up things like internal floating double ramp peeks that still barrier entry, work as retakes, and will influence what you can do while maintaining strong base mobility

[@zachhall3299]

it was harder to raid back then wasnt all these ore teas and monuments

[@sirteabag8652]

one dynamic that might be cool to see is old vs young. The game has plenty of players in their Teens and 30's.

[@psil0cibin89]

I've noticed a lot of the older dudes tend to play on lower pop modded servers cause they don't have the time to dedicate to rust and they are usually a little more chill on the PVP side of things.

[@kazzdevlin5339]

It's a young man's game. Eye hand coordination suffer as you get older. I'm 51 soon to be 52. Have hard time competing with 19 year old nephew.

[@psil0cibin89]

@@kazzdevlin5339 lol i hear ya man 37 here

[@kazzdevlin5339]

@@psil0cibin89 there's always the old adage Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.

[@sirteabag8652]

@@kazzdevlin5339 Sounds like you and your nephew are the perfect candidates for my video idea 😅

[@midnattsol6207]

having that one person without social skills is a realistic group gaming experience

[@bear532]

I have 4k hours, but consider myself a master builder at this point since that’s my favorite part of the game. I only build solo bases since I only solo. I want to say that it is possible to build a “large” cheap solo base if you know what you’re doing. My main base that I’ve been using for a year now costs almost 28k metal, 13k stone, and 450ish hqm. Upkeep is 800 stone, 3200 metal, and 45 ish hqm. That includes everything and I mean everything in the base other than the 6 auto turrets. The base looks like your typical group base with an inner and outer core. There are inside and outside peaks, full auto turret coverage in peaks and roof, in base oil refinery, enough room to fit 6 mixing tables, all 3 workbenches, at least 9 small furnaces for charcoal and 15 electric furnaces (not that I need it, usually just have 9 which is equivalent to 3 large furnaces which is overkill already for a solo), 2 bedrooms, and enough loot space to fit roughly 25 large boxes and a bunch of small ones (basically I’ve never utilized more than half of the available loot space even when insanely loaded). I took me years and many iterations to finally get to this point. Oh also, the base is a minimum 31 rockets, but more realistically it’s in the low 40s depending on the raid path and it’s an easy rebuild. I’ve been able to continue wipe multiple times after being raided early on (never been successfully raided when base has been completed). Edit: As a solo, bunkers are necessary. I wouldn’t be able to play this game without them since I’d be getting offlined all the time. Usually it’s group/clan players that hate bunckers because they’re the ones raiding solos with bunkers.

[@unclesam8862]

thats not "cheap" for a solo

[@clarkkent7638]

"my mouse died" lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[@stewartcoltharp-zl7lh]

For solo players, bunkers are extremely nice, and are really only used for offlines, just discourages offliners early in wipe.

[@sarchlalaith8836]

You know what you were saying about peaks, where you said you cam see up and see the defender inside, Pro tip On the walls behind him put picture frames with nothing but a solid block of black as the picture all around the defenders position on the walls, makes it so hard to see the defender inside.

[@OV_DD]

im someone who has played solo, all the way up to 14 man, from experience i will say it is so easy finding tc in large clan bases, even if they have 5 layers of walla you know it will be profit so you pummel straight through and get all their loot. The reason smaller smarter bases are better are because although you might spend the same amount of boom or less you will be taken through an unexpected route, smaller bases have a way of being bafflingly expensive especially with bunkers and such

[@vevvenennevvev5945]

5:10 the easiest way to place it the way you're describing is to place the shelf first, then flip the tc sideways and back up to the fifth square (assuming stone foundation) and place it while pressing against the wall. You have to wiggle it around a bit, but it locks in pretty quick

[@saunderscan2816]

I believe that this video is a great comparison between compact bases and larger bases. Although, due to the fact that both builders had the same materials and time, the attackers should have had the same amount of rockets, the additional 35 rockets provided to the attackers while raiding that base gave them an advantage against that base, it was meant to withstand blows while not needing to be overly defended. This caused the base to be better protected against offline raids. Meanwhile, the smaller more compact base built around honeycomb and online defending, had a clear design choice that proved to be disadventagous. With all that in mind i believe that the attackers should have been supplied the same amount of rockets during both raids, the clear design choices made it clear who was the surperior builder while trying to protect from an online raid. In short, both designs were intentional and even though both builders were supplied an equal amount of supplies, the builder of the larger base reigns surperior due to his awarness of how much the resources at hand could protect him.

[@sirteabag8652]

I haven't got to the second raid yet but the dude who built that base is a daemon with those gate house's and I'm expecting him to go ham.

[@pedermork5214]

I 100% disagree with your opinion on bunkers. If we remove bunkers, that will be the last straw for solos and duos. It will be impossible to play a wipe. It should stay in the game as is.

[@BarnyTrubble]

I think the thing that keeps coming up from this is that 2018 style bases are just so confusing to current players they don't even know how to raid them. Is the new meta to build like it's 6 years ago?

[@MaxsRust]

Honestly why not, if you have the materials to build stupid bases just go for it

[@perp8863]

IMO I think raiders are used to patterns. The problem with symmetrical bases is that raiders can make an educated guess and if they're lucky they get it right. Just make a wide and tall base with no symmetrical pattern to it and raiders wont be able to guess where TC is. As long as someone is online it'll be loads harder than a regular raid for most people.

[@evgenytemnov]

Nah man the new players will never ever going to be able to raid those bases even with no resistance

[@evgenytemnov]

Just let the guy like KCMO to build a base I want to see those guys manage under an hour raid

[@DrRippenShitten]

The main difference between both raids was confusion. In the first raid they were certain they knew where to go and they were better at PvP than the first builder. This kept them focused and communicated. In the second raid they were beyond confused by the "stupidity" of what they are seeing which the builder then utilised to mow them down, causing the Raiders to panic and lose all semblance of communication... Also for some reason they had much less teamwork at the start. In the the first raid they focused single targets with rockets but in the second raid they kept rocketing different things... I don't think the test was effective for base design but it showed that the best raid defence is confusion.

[@Night_Hawk_475]

Awesome video man! I think a really cool way to modify these base building/raiding challenges would be if the base builders were required to also find a location to place a pair of storage containers with useful raiding supplies (that you fill them with as part of raider's supplies, in addition to their initial starting supplies) that the raiders can make use of. (the defender cannot pull items from these designated chests ever, and the two containers and the TC all must be on three different floors - to force everything to be spread out -- maybe a 3rd container that can optionally also be on the TC floor so that the raider's can't infer what floor the TC is on by the location of the containers...?) By doing this it allows you to give the raiders less supplies at the start, and they have a way to resupply mid-raid.(But they have to earn it!) (And no special rules about loot extraction or anything, just like it would be in vanilla if the defender can stop them by killing them then they don't automatically get loot added to their supply/FOB or anything, it'll just be left on the ground with their bodies (perhaps then available to the defender to take too?) This would allow there to be plenty of rockets, but perhaps the raiders are only given like 30ish to start with, if they're lucky it's enough to go straigh to TC, but mostly it'll be enough to get in to obtain some extra loot after finding a chest inside the base, allowing them to use rockets to get further into the base after they earn it. (effectively, these chests give you more options when choosing how to supply the raiders, allowing you to not have to give them all their supplies upfront)

[@jaysonwing4114]

Thank god for bunkers lol saves us solo guys from the big clans

[@sehmdgordz2457]

Bro you caked up the first base so much then i cracked up enough id shat in my seat on the last few mins of the video 😂😂😂 omg pls create more of this XD a banger for the day this vid honestly 😅😅

[@seansengpiel8156]

what if you did a build and raid competition, you give them material and scrap, they use scrap and materials to buy boom and hopefully purchase enough to raid the other teams base doing the same thing. i’m not certain how you’d set the price on boom/weapons

[@Schrodingers_kid]

I'm honestly debating wether we should count second raid, because while they did win, they gave up before and they proceeded only because you forced them to. Is it really a win if they tried to surrender beforehand, but you didn't let them?

[@arek1366]

For people who don't know how to fix the shelf problem that Max had at 3:34 what you need to do is "i know it works with vanilla build skin of stone" that you stand like the builder stood and flip the walls behind and to the side of the TC to hard side then place it as close too the corner and flip the walls back, reason for this is because the soft side of the walls are thicker then the hard side. now if you placed the TC right the shelf should be able too be placed

[@Andrew-hq3er]

Your laugh makes the content so much better lol 😂

[@humble_frog]

dont agree with the bunker hate tbh, as a solo theres nothing more satisfying than making zergs pay extra only to find nothing inside my base because i despawned it all before logging

[@nathanjoyner4908]

man bunkers are eventually a lifeline for a solo like me and yes it's alota rockers but when you have enemy's who get 20 rockets in the first 3hrs of wipe its just not worth to have only sheet doors in the way of all my loot just saying👌

[@nathanjoyner4908]

Rockets*

[@bobdermeister4650]

I like Bunkers, Gets me to explore the game more :D and I can monuments without being scared of being raided ^^

[@ImpeccableRainn]

You completely deserve this growth man your videos are super interesting and they stand out amongst all the other "snowball" rust videos that have become stale well done bro all your vids are bangers

[@CountingCarp_uK]

2nd raid was amazing nice editing !

[@FXCartel]

Some of these raiders don't even sound like they've been alive 9000 hours

[@UnbelievableClips-u4u]

Silly raid team gotta hire a new one 🥲

[@St1Ck2U]

That one kid who keeps saying "I know this base" "100 percent a 2x1" "TC is on roof" he ain't no shit, clearly ain't a 5k hour player, most likely a bought account with the world's biggest ego.

[@Evan345gdf]

Or just left the game open to flex hours

[@sinner4548]

@Maxtwo its a honeycomb 2x2 shell for the record so from the outside it is a 2x2

[@Vortex-pb7fg]

Max I've watched you grow from 2k subs to almost 30k this is amazing I've always enjoyed your content just keep doing what your doing and hopefully you can get to 100k by the end of the year 🎉

[@zeejoo]

If facepunch gets rid of bunkers, they need to do something avout offlining first. Dont blame the bsse designs theyre a symptom of a way bigger problem

[@lordyplay7903]

That second raid made me scream at the how hard do u want to make it like come on 😂

[@Raiven007Rust]

Man that base is called the solo shell by swifty. That Ice lake base that's being built lol.

[@jamesvetter1797]

i appriciate you showing what a bunker is because i really had no idea

[@CannibalKiddo]

I disagree on the Bunker hate…biggest problem on Rust is Offlines, bunkers discourage offlines and raiders are encouraged to wait till a player is online so that there bunker is open…also if your offlineing a solo 2x1 you deserve to waste boom on my revo/pipey loot

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

11:24 I really don't see the issue. It balances the game for solos more. Oh no it goes from 4 rockets to 15? Guess what? That zerg with the 3/4th of a grid sized base over there? They got way more than 15 rockets. It's chump change for them. That's a population of this game that you will NEVER get me to feel bad for, as someone who plays with 2 other people max. I will NEVER feel bad for the group of 15 people for having to spend 15 rockets. That's like 3 mins of farming for them. 🙄

[@travv88]

23:55 i wish he put chain link fences in those gaps under the shooting floor.

[@thepebblesexplore83]

Getting these younger guys to be the raiders reminds me of the trick or treaters from nightmare before Christmas.

[@R1l3yMTB]

U know it’s a good day when u see max upload

[@lukerandles8122]

Do a series which requires a wheel. You would spin it first for the amount materials you have and what materials like wood stone sheet and hqm and then like how long they have to build it which would range from 10 mins to 1 hour 30 Then like how many doors they have so on

[@wastedgiraffe]

Your argument for why bunker's shouldn't exist implies shouldn't be able to respawn

[@uliduke495]

His argument isn't that you shouldent be able to respawn, it's that if the point of a game is to live for as long as possible you shouldn't have to kill yourself to do something that otherwise would be easy

[@wastedgiraffe]

@@uliduke495 so they should remove F1 kill then since that goes against the "point"

[@uliduke495]

@@wastedgiraffe i think f1 kill is abused tbh it's meant to be a tool to get you unstuck instead it's used to speedily respawn. anyway I'm not trying to argue my bad for starting an argument

[@bice9064]

Haven’t watched this yet but already know it’s a certified hood classic

[@buoze5738]

you should make a vid where its some returning plays who havent played in like a year or so but they have high hours vs people with like 700hrs or sum but they have been playing recently so they know all the metas and everything and are warmed up with guns spray and its just online raid they each build a base and raid eachother, would be interesting

[@Milo-il9qc]

what is trevor refering to with "messed up bed placement"? inside that compound there is no way to place beds on seperate timers

[@joshthered4312]

loving the content man! What a smart and unique way to spice up rust content. It's a nice change from the typical "Snowball" story! Keep it up!

[@Njh-os1ju]

Honestly one of the most underrated channels in the rust scene

[@matthewleinart7314]

I just found your channel and I love your vids, it’s almost 3 am and I can’t stop watching your vids! Amazing content and amazing quality

[@Extra_Salty5]

Yeah the kid that swore the tc was on the roof of the "2x1"....his REAL hours definitely show, absolutely bricked in raiding

[@toversnoleu8769]

The bigger the better, the more chunks to remove the more time you got. although you gotta have the team willing to work for the upkeep. small well layered works, however in the end you'll loose vs that zerg that doesn't care and zero's your base anyway.

[@PhelepRust]

Super underrated youtuber. You deserve a lot more.

[@bristola647]

Tbf bunkers are good for solos and small groups zergs have loads of rockets even on force wipe and for solos and duos maybe trios i believe bunkers are a must people always seem to forget the solos lol

[@broskitoo]

Hey could you do another one dedicated to small medium and large or something like that also could you stay on a team with the defender always since it's a lot easier to see the attackers than the defenders

[@leecast1721]

"It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it, or defend with it from this context." - The Art of War, SunTzu 2023

[@khotic-8921]

Bunkers are the best thing for solos we build something big Zerg at your footsteps or offlined

[@blumorgan5680]

I have to say as someone with a fair few hrs who works I think bunkers are a good thing I can't be on at all times and no offence to anyone but pop a ore tea won't take 2 secs to farm enough sulf to get a nice supply of boom. Obvs I love bunkers and only thing I ever build but if people are gonna offline then bunkers should be allowed. No one these days has the balls to online

[@Master_WuuVR]

yo max merry christmas + this is gonna help me in rust if i should build big or smart + Happy newyears

[@sirteabag8652]

people love watching these videos because this is the only way to get Taskmaster vibes from Rust.

[@sparky.5186]

Merry Christmas, hope you have a good one. hopefully some day i can take part in a small creator growing insanely fast! anyway hope you have a nice christmas and a good new year!

[@HuhWat453]

Just found your channel and been loving the content.

[@Antstrife]

You should do the reverse and see if hours matter raiding with different types of bases

[@ruggeds_lab3404]

Look I completely see where he’s coming from with bunkers but in a game where everyone is loot scared and only offlines it’s the only defense 😂😂

[@pumpkin7800]

Man I fucking love your videos, I dont even play rust anymore but watching your videos just bring me joy lol idk how else to explain it keep it up man!

[@SaltyRad]

so the first guy couldve saved 5 to 6 seconds. it was the TC placement time and the lock on the TC is where he fumbled a bit. so i feel like if he kept the same tempo he wouldve got 22 seconds ish. or around that. so someone saying they can do it in 20 seconds isnt really far fetched maybe a stretch, but still plausible.

[@KINGFAULTY]

Tbh if this was my team we would’ve cargo fobbed both bases and just counted down to start rocketing and go for the middle/compound and just kept drilling in and half of us would be focused on shooting floor and the rest keep drilling to the core

[@guts4647]

Can you do a video of you making a base then defending the raid?

[@DauntJura]

You should get aloneintokyo to defend raids from a group. Slowly add more raiders until he loses

[@Typher_]

“My mouse died” 😂

[@blazindragon296]

remember the legacy towers back in 2014 i think. the taller the tower the harder it was to raid.

[@SlimeTlme]

I’d almost always choose to go through the back wall where tc is definitely

[@caff2064]

Bro you should def do a console series of this that would be amazing

[@DrRippenShitten]

Bunkers shall never die 🔥 plus they arent as op as people think. They almost always have huge weakpoints and most cant be rebuilt properly after being raided.... If you're going to complain about an OP build mechanic then it should be floor stacking. They even come with automatic stability bunkers

[@japnetworks5157]

Please give the guy who says "i got more hours" his medal. He keeps on saying it and it starts to hurt my ears.

[@kinjuZ]

bro the big base at 20:30 looks like me in 2019 hahahaha

[@theresevangreunen8211]

you should do a vid where the defenders have 4 people and there's 12 raiders

[@WoWDontu]

Bunkers should remain as long as people offline

[@alexanderfrench9236]

I had to check the time of upload of this video.. Bunkers are the only reason the game is still playable imo. Without them the state of off-lining would just be untenable..

[@ImZinksii]

You should do a video with a duo of most and least amount of hours in building and PvP. I wanna see how the raiding and defense is.

[@qixdy]

i would still build the 2x1’s better, and faster. the shelf should be on the other wall, so when you make a jump-up, you can place the shelf (as needed) you shouldn’t expand until you have more loot, meaning you shouldn’t need the shelf until then (2.1k hr, played old)

[@MicroMidas]

39:20 "Plan!?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@GodlyThings84]

man this ducky guy 🤣

[@Kato22PR]

How do 9K hour players don’t have a base design they’re familiar with? I have 10K hours and have ben using same base design for the last 5k hours and have ben improving on the design as a defend raid with it. And I have multiple designs depending on my wipe goal. This dudes clearly have never built this bases before.

[@Kato22PR]

24:17 also it doesn’t makes sense you give diff amount of rockets. For the base testing. Great video idea, absolute terrible execution. Get players that are confident on pvp and have their base figured out. And for Christ sake, give raides exactly the same amount of raiding materials.

[@thomasohanlon1060]

Great video Sir and job well done to all of the participants. Too he raiders you might just want to work on those coms skill and following target orders.

[@PlasmaBurns]

I dont understand how people can maintain the upkeep on bases that size. It must take hours of farming a day to keep it going and thats if you dont get jumped and robbed of your farm.

[@Evan345gdf]

I think they just hit quarry every day

[@GetMickyFlickyd]

You should have called it does size matter 😂

[@AidenasJ]

Idk man, but I just love these videos. One of the best content creators out there, making my day better!

[@papa..]

"Bunkers are OP". Shows the most incompetent group of raiders I've ever seen win two raids while whining the whole time. This just proves rust raid defense needs to be buffed, not nerfed. Also Ducky had me wanting to click off the video so hard but at the same time I wanted to stay just to watch him get dumpstered on.

[@MaxsRust]

Dunno why but I found this so funny haha

[@BillyN0tsilly]

Am literally building the small base oldmate built on a console server as I watch this, interested in how it goes

[@MultySkooma]

You may not like bunkers, but a lot of us have jobs and lives and can't be sweaty constantly on rust. It allows us to play past the first couple days because the investment for most raiders isn't worth it.

[@iamtufa]

Even though i just have 20hr playtime...i figured out a trick to guarantee tc placement with shelf and easily to do it...Dont place the wall you attaching the TC to. Place the shelf then place the tc then place the wall...try it out, its rly accurate and quick to do

[@KezJUNGLIST]

these guys must have boosted their hours lol

[@YahDude]

I think this Ducky was in my previous group, great player if it's the same guy.

[@tolbtown.]

Merry chrysler

[@thepiperpie]

i think if the builders had more time and actually completed their bases, this would be more interesting, it was fun, but it was clear both stopped building at like 80% complete, and both bases had major pieces missing

[@sarchlalaith8836]

Bunkers are great you can't really say they shouldn't be in the game because it's a survival game, it hasn't been a survival game in years. It's not over powered because people just offline all the time More over calling rust a survival game is just... Not truth anymore because you barely have to eat, barely take got or cold damage, barely have to aim. Nah sorry it's a fps these days Given how many clans just bully duos and solos bunkers are the only chance they have.

[@ShaeStreams]

I disagree with the bunker thing. Before I was good at building I got raided almost every night for like a year and had to restart. Now I can play for more than a day or two without my grub fuck neighbours or the local 30 man russian/chinese zerg offlining because I killed one for a crossbow on wipeday

[@KiTho06]

agreed. Especially for Solos Bunkers are a Godsend. I think taking Bunkers out of the Game would be very bad for Solos. But maybe make it so you can't have a Big Base with a Bunker if that is somehow possible. So Bigger Groups can't have a Big Base and a Bunker aswell.

[@Bugahud]

@@KiTho06 Well, I think bunkers altogether are fine. It is a way to add raid-cost to your base without doing much effort, should we remove honeycomb just because people think that it makes a base harder to raid? Absolutely not. Also, some bunkers add alot of cost to bases build cost and upkeep. The cons and pro's even out. Bunkers sacrifice the space and movement room for a bigger base/team and that could let raiders get into the base a decent amount before the group even gets out. Also, in a big base, it typically won't matter if you have a bunker because most teams will pummel or go through walls. Why fix a very minor issue that greatly affects the game? Also if they messed with stability bunkers specifically it could ruin several building designs that don't even include bunkers. The state of the game is fine right now, especially since mainly groups will be spending that many rockets on a base and if a solo is raiding, there are serveral ways to avert from raiding a bunker base. Also solos can easily softside foundations to get into a bunker. The state of the game is fine right now, thats my opinion

[@getpigtailed]

@@KiTho06Bigger groups rarely use bunkers for a few reasons 1. They simply don't get raided very often, and if they do it's online raided and they can easily defend with their numbers. 2. It's a lot more clunky to manage loot from lots of loot rooms with more people. 3. Bunkers just don't work very well in larger bases.