Should you build WIDE or Tall? - Rust

[@Aerational]

I really think to make this actually fair you have to let someone plan a wide build...or give the wide builders like double the time. Every builder knows a ton of tower builds...the tall builders built some aloneintokyo design they've built 1000 times. The other two have to do everything from scratch off the top of their head. With more time a much better wide design could be built, that actually incorporates the ability to defend it's perimeter. You also need to account for the fact that it's faster to build upward than it is outward even with noclip.

[@Silver_Hawk.]

pretty much sums up the title tho, why isnt there many wide base builds? theyre expensive and not good

[@blonnu]

the video seems aims at providing insights into the practicality of wide and tall builds in a standard Rust gameplay scenario. The intention is likely to showcase the strengths and weaknesses of each approach within the constraints of typical game conditions, rather than creating an artificially balanced environment

[@SaltyRad]

@@Silver_Hawk. its doesnt though, because there are wide base builds that people dont like to try and raid. he just picked someone that had no experience in wide base builds. btw the mathematically un-raidable base becomes that much better when there is 2 stories to it. i took it further than that by designing externals that can fit with it and along with the shooting floor... theres the cost arguement, but when it comes down to it how much work do you want to put in to making sure your not getting raided. build a pain in ass base and it deters people

[@KAG1776]

They definitely needed more time on the wide base to make it fair that's for sure.

[@wnuczek1892]

​@@Silver_Hawk. There aren't many wide bases because it's harder to roofcamp if ur roof is low.

[@jake12.48]

Personally I would much rather see the completed base and how it performs rather than be strict on the time

[@JS_Leger]

yes I totally agree!

[@proluteP]

facts

[@geuxto]

nah that would be inefficient its just unlucky wide base builders sucked they should make a base they can finish in time instead of making world record pancake base that takes 15 hours to build to completion

[@jake12.48]

@@geuxto I don't think it would be inefficient. Just set the parameters and be very specific about them. Can only be x wide x high use this much stuff. Then let them finish. It would be much more interesting in my opinion. They are already at such a disadvantage

[@MaxsRust]

@@jake12.48 Doesn't make sense to give them unlimited time to build because they could essentially take their time and be completely relaxed, take hours and hours etc. My team of raiders are organised to be ready to start at a certain time aswell so It'd be hard to find raiders if I had to do it when I'm told it's convenient for the builders, and ontop of all this when have raiders ever waited for your base to be finished? The time restraint is there for a reason and I'd like to add that 1 team had no problem completing the task in the time limit. I sort of agree that it would be more fun to let them finish, but I guarantee you 10 more minutes isn't what they'd need. It'd be double the time, then more time for electronics on top, and an hour to get gear sets ready, and I can bet after all that they'd still say "if we had more time we'd be more prepared"

[@DPara8]

It’s amazing to me how confident the wide base builders were. Meanwhile they’re asking for cloth mid raid to make bandages and bags after they lost their one kit 😂 The wide base needs to be done proper justice!

[@csr-csr]

Froggo literally told his teammate to do all the work and then got surprised when he couldn't finish it.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

And he talked about the other team not having peeks lol. Last kind of person I'd want to game with

[@MaxsRust]

haha yeah I think he was really busy doing stuff too, but it did sound like he was blaming his teammate

[@ziginkillu]

Factsss, worst kind of teammates to have

[@Meekeddd]

@@Ryan-wx1bi fr i really dont want a m8 that tells me to d oeverything and js him doing nothing on hes own, basically sitting back watching the monitor.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

I think it's pretty obvious why you're blowing up. Most rust content is essentially the same, but you came up with a new, interesting type of content. Keep it up man

[@owenwilder9581]

I feel like this wasn't really fair for wide. I mean obviously their base was shit but talls vase was like 7 wide in all reality.

[@curleytoed4673]

normally I like the concept of these challenges, this one is the exception. The wide base was at a huge disadvantage in the rules from the getgo. It takes a lot more time to build wide than build tall, it takes a lot more resources to build wide than tall. Both teams had experience and ideas in mind for tall bases; the tall base was even rehearsed. and the rules you let both teams skirt were massively more favorable to the tall base than those for the wide base. The tall base wasn't even tall, it was normal size. The wide team needed to at the very least have advanced knowledge of what they were doing so they could plan a real base. On top of that more time should have been allowed because it takes so much longer to build wide where you can't fill in a bunch of different walls and ceilings without moving. a minimum width for the wide base and minimum height for the tall base would have helped get the fairness to a reasonable level. All that to say from the concept of the challenge everyone knew the wide base would have no chance.

[@liquidthex]

I would love to see a raid challenge video where the builders have time to actually finish a base, like 2 hours, but the raiders have overwhelmingly large numbers like 2 v 20. A fully built base vs a fully stocked raid group. Get some aloneintokyo level raids going on!

[@charlesowens5027]

I think the wide base should get a redo for justice, but i kinda feel like it wasnt taken seriously by the builders. No out side turrets, only 2 defensive spots on roof, could have added triangles between squares and lowered shotgun traps facing up to keep off roof.

[@Aerational]

Before watching the video... as a solo I've never really done either but I feel like sprawling bases that cover a lot of area would be the way to go. I mean look at any military base, they ain't building towers. I think one day having many smaller bases that work in conjunction and cover a large swath of area will be the meta. I predict the wide base wins handily. edit: okay it looks like the tall builders are much more experienced so maybe this prediction is no good.... the wide base is literally just an empty warehouse. edit2: this experiment needs to be redone with people who are prepared to build wide.

[@SirBigBacon]

For the unique base requirements it might help to tell builders what they have to do a day in advance to give time to cook up a build to recreate on your server

[@Nosfeast]

I play on no decay servers A LOT and the only thing I hate about a really big base is just the time it takes to get in and out of the damn thing lol.

[@Elifre]

Probably one of the better approaches would be to build wide and distribute loot pretty evenly. If it's a good maze (jump ups and drop downs with doors or garage doors or both), you could make it so that most rooms that would be raided probably have something they could grab, but would cost way too much to be worthwhile. It'd probably be even more discouraging if half the rooms were empty and the other half would at best break even. You get raided a few times, don't bother with defending, and then get ignored once people realize they're just wasting their time.

[@QwertyDigital]

I think the "tall" build should have been taller and skinner for this to be a fair comparisson. It seemed like an awful wide base vs a pretty regular base

[@daughternaz5792]

Bros growing like crazy. 16.7k while editing video and 30k as he uploads it thats mad crazy. Worth every single one bro keep it

[@OctaApe]

I really like to build random and just place foundations in random shapes to start and then add a tower on top of that. I literally never know what I am going to build. It confuses me every time and it also confuses raiders 99% of the time because they've never seen the design before. What I've learnt in Rust is, nothing is unraidable, not profitable yes. Best ever base IMO Is the 1 way cave stacked with 15+ hqm walls at 1 entrance and a turret at the bucket drop down. They normally give up, even on 10x servers :) ( only issue is, you have to kill yourself every time you go back to base because you have to make the jump where the bucket is and defending is hard if they camp the bucket, Best to have an external base with a few kits).

[@travv88]

this is the way

[@Wiglefish]

I love your videos but the fact that almost all the bases are far too rushed ruins it a bit. Some people are super slow doing turrets and stuff like that. I think you the timer should only apply to the construction/doors/embrasures and almost all deployables are untimed.

[@maxwellethan_]

The second group didn’t technically take the egg to the OG base they start from. Which I thought everyone else has done in past videos lol. Either way another slapper Max

[@Blurgamer17]

It isn't about how wide or how tall it is, it's about how it's used. 😂

[@TheBangMangTingTang]

Wrong I had a whole wipe where I only got offline and no one could ever find the tc they could only ever find loot inside my compound, I got pummeled one time but I believe it was over 30 rockets or 20 c4 or both and the guys didn't find anything but the fake core in the middle of the base with a bunch of empty boxes and a tier 3 with furnaces, was really funny, but yeah my base was wide asf, it was as most say a raiders nightmare, I built it on a builder server and it actually took me 2 hours to raid with over 50c4 and even more rockets, it's about the width not the tallness that's for sure

[@Blurgamer17]

@TheBangMangTingTang Oh, I think the joke flew over your head like a HV-Rocket...

[@DuckinDuckity]

lol true but alot of rust players are underage so there is that @@Blurgamer17

[@TraeJohnson-l2n]

@@TheBangMangTingTangi absolutely agree my teamates always build weird ass KZbin bases and waste so much resources making and up keeping a shooting floor and if your base is like 2/3 squares up with some half walls with ceilings which would make it 4 ceilings down… and if it’s wide you can fit so many bunkers, you can fit fake core in the middle and use shells as loot because all of the triangles in circle bases… and you also can and should seal off battery rooms like a bunker once complete making the base untouchable on vanilla

[@jasonclarke6981]

​@@TheBangMangTingTang50 c4? You was living in a zero base or what😂😂

[@NiniRust]

nice to see them building my design :) Great video!

[@MOZ660]

it’s too good not to build

[@Dolo.4L]

froggo was telling his teammate to do everything while he just placed and built 50 million things with 2 minutes left

[@nebulastar5114]

Honestly teammates like that hurt a lot in games like rust and ark. Personally I’m a builder, and it sucks when you get the guy who’s like “why is nobody helping me when I’ve literally built everything?!” And your the one who’s built a majority of the base lmao

[@nebulastar5114]

Honestly teammates like that hurt a lot in games like rust and ark. Personally I’m a builder, and it sucks when you get the guy who’s like “why is nobody helping me when I’ve literally built everything?!” And your the one who’s built a majority of the base lmao

[@blonnu]

Instead of giving them specific items for raid, maybe you could do something with points, this way they get to choose not only their items but their playstyle too, the points could be worth something like this: Rocket: 8 points C4: 10 points Explosive Ammo (per round): 1 point Assault Rifle: 8 points LR-300 Assault Rifle: 7 points Custom SMG: 5 points Semi-Automatic Rifle: 4 points MP5A4: 7 points F1 Grenade: 3 points (there are more things to add but you get the point)

[@evoshadzzz5992]

maybe 30 explo ammo for 1 point not just 1

[@Mickeyster]

I was look at that like wtf is he on about. 10 explo =1c4 😂😂😂😂😂😂 L

[@masonbrandon4596]

We need another wide base this didn’t do it Justice

[@botchman5947]

One thing I would like to see is real base fight. Where they get almost unlimited time or whatever. Where they can really put down everything they want. Or a game were each team can ask for 10 more min. Every 10 min Until one team is ready allowing the other team only 10 mins to finish. Not know how long they will have.

[@wyatttincher292]

Nothing against a KZbin base, but the tall team did use the dynasty by nini rust. Would have liked to see them mention that and give credit to the base creator.

[@wizzle2222]

The major issue with wide is the upkeep multiplier caused by amount of foundations

[@Technik101]

the pancake had so much potential but they failes i want a part 2 where they have another chance and bit more time

[@Cheryy.sigma-.7]

I would think it would be cool if you would make a video where its a zerg of 16 or something raiding like 8 people with the same hours. Love your videos keep on going

[@TheHumbleLOUD]

You should do this again for sure the wide base dudes did really well with the spirit of the challenge but the tall base dudes literally just built a cookie cutter clan base and that’s lame af

[@HonzaLancer]

I like the video as always but imo you should be more strict with "tall" base. They just build "regulary"zerg looking base. When you say 4x4 than it should be 4x4 triangles or squares, just nothing more. Dont get me wrong, i like that base but i was expecting something more unique and ridiculously tall. Like that wide base is...wide base...tall base is just regular clan base in my eyes.

[@takethel4245]

I personally would like for the base builders to have more time cuz i feel like they never get everything done. I think giving more time would be needed. Maybe limit resource a little more?

[@JS_Leger]

I love this concept but plz Max, let them for once finish their base! 😩

[@MaxsRust]

I have plenty of videos with finished bases, the rules are there for a reason :) In Rust do raiders ask you if you're ready to get raided? Nope!

[@jonlondon4722]

Yea but in rust they build a base they know how to defend like this isn't a real server it's too see what base is better than witch they had no plan for a wide base just kinda a invalid point

[@aidanmonroe17]

@@MaxsRustit would be more fun to watch actually finished bases rather than rushed bases. There’s no reason arbitrary rules can’t change. Many people are saying that same thing

[@markianpajarillaga3206]

@@aidanmonroe17 or maybe a longer time limit maybe?

[@mrsausage666]

the first team didnt actually win because they opened the egg in the fob not in the initial raidbase

[@samlachance1]

Tall base should probably have been strictly limited to a 4x4 footprint, except for basic frame connections to 1x1 gatehouses. That base was realistically like 7 wide if we're being completely fair to everyone involved, lol.

[@Trey-i9t]

been watching since 3k very underrated

[@barryallen5507]

Personally, these days im leaning toward 3 or 4 floors tall and 10-20 squares wide. I've been working on it since before the new turret constraints. I want something that covers significant ground for offline defense

[@lucatielofmirrah4368]

MaxTwo never fails to fill me up with his epic rust vidoes

[@VNEF]

My very first thought on low base restriction was stacked floors, making it look like 2 floors high, but practically 4. Second thought was when they started building: with unlimited resources, why square foundations?

[@stormrideryt6943]

For the next video you should do a experienced vrs new cave base

[@miss-sagemoon]

Man we need a rematch with a wide base that was actually trying

[@KiTho06]

I agree with many People. You should redo the Video Idea with someone who actually has a Base design in Mind for a Wide Base. It's not something you would normally Build, so it's much harder to think of something on the Spot then jt would be with any other Base or a Tall Base. The Tall Base Builders simply did a Build they already knew that was within your Parameters. The Wide Base Builders didn't have that Privilege. Other then that, great idea love the Content.

[@Dies_Das_Ananas]

niiiice! good timing. your video just after i finished watching last aloneintokyo video!

[@zephyrx_6]

Has been here from the start happy to see you grow I loved your video I rated a 8 man Clan base with a AirDrop

[@zephyrx_6]

Has been here from the start happy to see you grow

[@AxiomaticX]

Are you doing weekly uploads or every few days?

[@MaxsRust]

Every Sunday mate, 5:30ish GMT

[@Destroyer598-b7o]

Love your vids there really entertaining to watch keep it up!!! 😎

[@techgamer7237]

You are growing crazy fast!!!

[@DreikoIV]

Nice video max, but all off abuse items for part of defenders make it more difficult to see the video, because we all know thas imposible to somebody to raid a base if 200 grenades are thrown per minute, just like what happened with shotgun traps in another video, its need more control the items thats defenders give to himself.

[@WheelieOutlaw]

Another amazing video. Thank you max

[@FunnyVidsDotCome]

This was the only sort of unfair video, they deserved more time to plan and build especially since they were up against an 8 man of raiders

[@DisorientedDarkSoul]

Dude i can't believe how fast your channels growing

[@MaxsRust]

me neither lol, dunno why it's going so well but not gunna complain XD

[@DisorientedDarkSoul]

@@MaxsRust you went from 5k to 30k in like 15 days I swear 😂 your videos are such good quality that when I first found them I was shocked you didn't have millions of sibs

[@blazeXYT]

do you think i could build a base on one of ur servers and you try raid me i only have 300hrs

[@jens3093]

grats on 30k

[@rosslittlejohn5515]

Am enjoying this format..am solo so dont get to see aw this madness in ma wipes..keep up the good work m8

[@dankingthepokemon]

need more content like this. I found you and love watching your vids on my left monitor while i game on my main. Need. More. Content. Like. This.

[@andresvallester9697]

You always made the best build vs build videos love it

[@valmora1094]

Yeah you should do one of your episodes where they actually get to finish and the base is completed and then see how it goes

[@MrRemek11]

tbh this vdeo should be called normal youtube base vs wide base. tall base guys kinda fucked up what they souposed to do

[@xSinsq]

Ive been watching you grow since 8k subs. I cant wait to see you grow

[@thomasohanlon1060]

Great video sir and great job to the defenders and raiders well done.

[@Chris-lw5po]

"bro built a pancake" lmfao

[@kysa3535]

the second raid, when they build the raid base, I was wondering that they wouldn't fire rockets to disturb the aim of the defenders with eruptions

[@animeislife2274]

I just started watching your videos about a week ago and rn I love the videos and I’m trying to watch all the vids I missed lol😂

[@harveyt27]

Tall team breaks rules and its fine and lets them carry on but wide team breaks rules and he destroys the base

[@yoshikagekira35]

wide team also broke other rules and recieved no punishment

[@Tiggerot]

like how the tall base was a 4by4

[@Pooodge]

Legit the moment he destroyed all the twig from wide base i woulda just dced fuck the video lmao

[@illegalsmilez]

I get not wanting to give them an unlimited amount of time, but I think if the point of the video series is to test concepts and techniques, the build should be "finished" before the test/raid begins. I've kind of noticed it in other videos but I think this one in particular was greatly affected by incomplete building. Just some constructive criticism. Love the videos, keep em coming!

[@IsaacsRandomGaming]

Yeah no time limit in building would be sick also if you launch that server my duo and I will try our hardest to defend some 8 man raids if you promise to try and make videos of stuff happening on the server like raids going down or big fights! W video thi

[@Lukemeyer-j4s]

the people building the tall base are sooo dang smart bro. I would have never thought of that

they are easy to foundation wipe tho

[@kaidentax]

Glad to say I’ve been here from the start

[@antron_]

Need to have a luckylamma vs alone in Tokyo base contest. Would be insane

[@red097gr]

The wide base team was at a disadvantage with the time limit.. if they had had another 2 builders, maybe it would been more interesting.

[@rustyy_quill]

Making rust feel new

[@R1l3yMTB]

Bro I remember like 3weeks ago you had 15k subs now you have 30k congrats 🥳

[@SaltyRad]

ok so there is a strategy i did on wide base builds that deterred people. i built bases that size a lot of times (no life farmer sometimes lol) what i did was gather enough armor doors to make every single square inch of that place nothing but doors (except for the outer walls of course) this meant they could never tell where they were going (sortof) and i always had a shooting angle out the slots no matter what part of the base they were in. when you literally have a 100-200 doors to pick from it can fuck up your raiding choices.... also why didnt they just try a gigantic 2 story mathematically unraidable base? that wouldve been good too

[@o0F1R3K1NG0o]

Awesome video that looks like alot of fun. The wide base was wasted tho they built a crazy maze but then left openings right on the top to go straight in. They would have been better off just sealing everything off then pankcake layer and then hope the raiders went through the sides. But i would have got right in the center and went through both layers and be in the open core making their maze useless anyways.

[@00mpalumpa.]

👇if u want wide to win

[@AllBallN0Brain]

Here’s to nearly 40k🍻

[@tinyteddie631]

But WHY NOT BOTH? Just make a literal monolith, massively tall and massively thicc

[@Cd3]

Damn. This is the closest to science I've ever seen in video games.

[@Poyov1]

you should add an icon for what vc your in like raiders and defenders just so we know whos talking

[@yasinelitok2873]

Where is the tall base design video

[@07Hawkeye]

wide guys definitely werent given enough time. i've seen some insane compound designs before, they do 9/10 have towers but they also have insane defenses on a wider scale rather than taller. good video idea though, just not the greatest execution. a little more planning or prep for something like this wouldve been worth it for the content.. would be a great idea to revisit in a few months time so at least the wide base build team gets a fairer chance

[@goingheadstrong2426]

I don’t understand why they get different amount of rockets. Wouldn’t it be more fair to have the raiders be the same for both?

[@MarkGoodiee]

Your videos are dope. Keep it up, keep it original and don't succumb to the mundane. You're a gangster bro.

[@justlistenXD7]

I think this needs to be redone with more of a legit wide base that's defendable and more thought out.

[@seansnyder2855]

The tall base is like twice as wide as the rules allow. Not sure what you were smokin when you put this together my dude.

[@aludono5021]

Since I watch Rust in bed to sleep catch a sub... Wish you at least 100k subs this year

[@aludono5021]

And I remember times playing with my old friends on x100000 servers, building wide bases like 100x100 and height like 8, with 2x2 loot room, noone ever raided us just because wiping those bases would take like a day, and loot room was only accessible trough /home in most random point in layout...

[@FreddieHarness-eq7ut]

You should have a few counters in the raid it would change everything for the raiders

[@ogcnlitfvmlhf]

I feel like wide would be better just because of stability ofc but interested to see.

[@Lurkspur]

Clearly you’ve never been top downed lmfao

[@ogcnlitfvmlhf]

@@Lurkspur When you can build as much as you want width wise its probably better then a taller base. The people who built the width base were just terrible.

[@Lurkspur]

@@ogcnlitfvmlhf true Lmfao

[@michaeltuohey4170]

You need the builders of luckylalma, spoonkid, blaze, and they’re friend Dave vs raiders and it’ll be the best vid, they’re such a funny group and top tier players

[@wizzle2222]

If your primary plan is to face check, you've already lost

[@BigPerm6999]

2 story wide build could be tough to defend from a raid tower.. since they have the height advantage so id play massive open core, so defenders have a football field size space between them and raiders even once they have made it to core, let them get deep before killing so they cant retrieve kits!

[@shottingham]

I forgot to mention when I watched this the other day; the attackers took the egg back to their FOB, not the raid base. Unless I'm missing something here?

[@guy459]

What if you made a vid called the unraidable base where like a 2 man makes a insane base with limits on turrets shotgun traps but they also use tesla coils and all kinds of other stuff

[@vesstig]

I built a taller base than this solo with a bigger compound, how on earth did they settle at such a mediocre height. Gotta hit that build limit

[@simonfleming4374]

the dude claiming "thats not my job" he is the reason the wide lost.

[@ibfarway6517]

Me personally would keep it this way, if they are very high skilled they could make good base designs in under 1 hour. And even if you are not that high skilled its still easier aslong as you stay organised and keep up a certain pace. And if they dont finish the base it will make some time for good improvising which could also be entertaining.

[@Rice871]

Growing fast

[@the3dpenguy613]

2nd guys were actually good and didn’t blame each other

[@stevew2282]

I'm under the impersonation that he meant impression @2:40

[@Pisceanripple]

Under the impersonation lmao