Should You Buy A Land Rover Defender 130? Or Is It Just TOO Big?

[@itsjoel]

Big Maserati video coming on Sunday... Stay tuned!

[@CarsofGlasgow]

cant wait

[@AdamH108TA]

cant find the video?

[@itsjoel]

@@AdamH108TA short delay, it’ll be worth it!

[@CarsofGlasgow]

@@AdamH108TA oh

[@davidfisher3273]

What issues have you had with your personal vehicles

[@huwfish]

I have owned a 130 since April and have had very few issues with the length. It is tight for 8 to sit for any distance but short trips are easy. You used the wrong lever to tilt the second row forward. The one you used is to fold the seat for loading. The lever on the top outer edge of the middle row seat back tilts the seat back forward as well as allowing the whole seat to slide forward. This gives more space to access the rear. I have used the car to tow my 2500kg caravan across Europe without any issue and it swallows stuff into its cavernous boot with one arm tied behind its back. It really is a car for everything just like the disco 3/4.

[@itsjoel]

@@huwfish glad you’re enjoying the 130! I agree, the length really wasn’t an issue at all, especially once you’re behind the wheel. I’ll look out for the correct lever next time!

[@colinturner4158]

The design and appearance is what sells this vehicle

[@shawtravis7384]

Wrong - I took my new Defender through the Atlas Mountains and Sahara in April. 3000 miles, some of which was in 40degC heat. Excellent on and off road performance. Couldn't have done that trip in my old Defender 300Tdi.

[@nnoddy8161]

Looks like a hearse.

[@alanmay7929]

@@nnoddy8161 no

[@DrBenWiles]

That's the same size as my L200 pickup but higher VED. If you want cargo capacity, buy a pickup, if you want 7/8 seats get something like this.

[@audioisgood]

Oh how I wish they still offered the three liter diesel here in the states. I will be driving my Range Rover TD6s until they die. Great review.

[@gerryr1893]

Loved my td6 has one back in 2004 Now on my 3rd l405 2019 different beast altogether

[@colinturner4158]

It’s everything you’d want in a off-road vehicle I like the look of it mainly because it’s different

[@hedydd2]

It’s still shorter than my Ford Ranger pickup which I don’t find too big anywhere apart from for some parking spaces.

[@gwilko6452]

I would have one but unfortunately everyone else on the road seems to have one also. Will stick with my l322

[@itsjoel]

You cannot go wrong with an L322… unless it breaks I suppose!

[@robholland1937]

I had an L322 4.4 tdv8 for 6 years and then got a D350 90. Very similar feeling drive.

[@tekpic04]

Three main issues I have with JLR products, no more manual gearboxes ,not long lasting engines and servicing costs.

[@hedydd2]

Manual gearboxes are becoming a rarity and, with the ascendancy of electric cars, multi-ratio gearboxes will become extinct whether manual or automatic.

[@shawtravis7384]

Manual selection option with the automatic, diesel servicing is simply oil and filters, and the engine are perfectly good - so what really is your problem? Can't afford one of these lovely machines?

[@hedydd2]

@@shawtravis7384 Ingenium diesel engines thus far have indeed proven to be less than acceptably reliable for many different reasons. They are perfectly good… until they fail expensively at usually between 50,000 and 100,000 miles.

[@tekpic04]

@@shawtravis7384 That's why their Ingenium powerplants are crap and unreliable. Even the channel, Geoff buy cars cannot stand them. Go and checkout his interview with a woman who's Jaguar engine blew up and regularly occurs with them. As to service them, in the past I've worked as mechanic so I know what I'm talking about.

[@paulkirkbride2156]

My ingenium 3.0D has been pushed hard for 120k and hasn’t missed a beat 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@marceloleal1246]

That's a nice Santa Fe you got there

[@conorkavanagh8437]

Love your videos Joel, as a classic LR Defender Owner, would love to see you try out one of them on the channel, just for some contrast! keep the great content coming!

[@itsjoel]

@@conorkavanagh8437 great idea!

[@Physics072]

Dunno defender has some CONs. Full size wheel on back makes it tough to park in a garage mine is under the car out of the way. The tail gate i like on the LR4 defender missing it 110 cargo space is my biggest gripe. Just not enough when compared to LR. I thought I was going to keep my 110 for a very long time, but I will be upgrading to a 130 when it comes out. 2300 miles into Baja with 2 adults and 3 kids was challenging. Couldn't have done it without my Overland Pros Anza 2000 where all 5 of us slept and left sleeping gear up top. I really hope the 130 gives us the extra room in back without looking frumpy. Utility, interior, much prefer the Defender. Great mix of form and function, rugged materials. The shelf holds of ton of stuff while overlanding. Interior cleans easily from dust and overall just works. My wife prefers her L322 range rover as it is definitely more luxurious eventhough it is 10 years older.

[@keithlivingstone2525]

18:00….oh no Joel, that kids toy car you were carrying in the back has fallen out and is rolling down the road 😂

[@parkecorepersonaltrainingp2601]

Excellent review it was a car I never thought of great for big family’s 👍

[@martinboulden4388]

I can’t even begin to imagine trying to park that ! Out of curiosity you omitted what Council Tax Band it falls in ? 😂

[@itsjoel]

@@martinboulden4388 😂😂😂

[@An_inquisitive_thinker]

Technically it's within land owners' tax bracket. See what I've done here?

[@bombardierboerboels]

Thinking of getting a 130 outbound and getting rid of one and a van

[@petehelme7714]

the Discovery (5) makes more sense for people that don't actually "overland." it is more comfortable inside, has a better ride, gets better MPG, has better storage for its total length (when including the tire), "kick" to open liftgate and it doesn't have that (annoying) rear swing door. arguably the Defender style appears to more people though, I get that. though the Defender 130 to me looks like a school bus. :) rumors are that the Disco5 will be replaced by something in the future that's more MPV than SUV. I'm thinking along the lines of the Mercedes-Benz R-Class or Lucid Gravity.

[@keithlivingstone2525]

With a reasonable lottery win that would be top of my purchase list….along with a 90 and a 110 😂

[@itsjoel]

@@keithlivingstone2525 likewise, I’d definitely buy a 110

[@nathanguest6964]

Not sure that it is any longer than say a Hilux or Isuzu pick up though ?

[@shawtravis7384]

Not much longer than a Merc E Class - and shorter than an S Class.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

The whole Defender range is brilliant Something to suit so many requirements Such a huge breadth of capability With the diesel engine, the economy is fantastic I don’t think there are many genuine 7, or 8 seater SUV type vehicles, that still have big boot space, when all seats r in usage… If u r doing a road trip, and using the 3 Rd row for passengers, then fit it with a roof top box, for luggage etc.. A great vehicle for overlanding etc, because with row 3 folded down, or removed, u have massive cargo room.

[@nnoddy8161]

JLR's entire range of vehicles of ticking time bombs in terms of engine reliability and a host of other electronic problems. I have owned 5 LRs and will never buy another one.

[@robholland1937]

Boot. Remove the boot tray and it will be bigger when all seats being used

[@avxlit]

I have one how would I go about doing that?

[@robholland1937]

@@avxlit It lifts out

[@paultaylor9652]

There are some dodgy plastics with rough edges in your film, then there's the big reliability and parts problem if something does break

[@patterdale4332]

There's no problems your just getting on the old bandwagon bet you've never even owned one

[@jonathancollard3710]

The 130 is designed solely for the USA market where it competes with Chevy Suburbans for “hockey moms” attention. Seriously, they still look small over here 😳

[@steffenchristmas1987]

Yes! This will be perfect for my Funeral Services Business.

[@ifyouarefeelingsinister]

Perfect for when you drop dead after seeing the maintenance costs

[@nps5886]

So the defender station wagon that was made while in british leylands hands had 11 seats

[@avxlit]

40 MPG?!?!? I barely get 14 and that’s after driving for 7500 miles. Is it calculated differently in the UK or does the diesel have better efficiency since mine is the petrol/gas

[@itsjoel]

@@avxlit diesel is much more efficient than petrol in this car. Also, our gallons are bigger than yours

[@shawtravis7384]

Must be something wrong with yours - I have a new 90 and if I drive like a girl I can get 45mpg on the motorway.

[@joshbacon8241]

Why is the supercharged V8 detuned to 493bhp/610Nm for the 130 V8, instead of the 518bhp/625Nm that the V8 version of the 90 produces? (the 525PS supercharged V8 is no longer offered in the 110)

[@NH00531]

I think one is either ‘into’ this type of vehicle or not, I’m in the latter camp. I’ll stick with my 6 cylinder G31. 👍

[@dee_-_]

Little heads up, when u record. Close the doors and windows. U got so much background noise while u talk

[@popsbubbles1242]

When you said it's length, was that including the spare wheel?

[@itsjoel]

@@popsbubbles1242 yes

[@SlayerEddy]

This thing is massive 😮😮

[@itsjoel]

@@SlayerEddy tis large

[@timothyshanks6799]

It's the bloody build quality of any jlr that's the problem. Lovely car but not for long, they don't have an engine that doesn't have serious design flaws that lead to catastrophic failure

[@simonwaldron1]

@itsjoel, isn't the tensioning feel you mention in the new RR and RRS @approx 21:25, just the lane deviation assist, or whatever its called? I have turned it off on my L405.

[@itsjoel]

@@simonwaldron1 It’s not that unfortunately, wish it was something that simple! Never noticed it in L405s

[@jj78rcclub]

It never made sense to me to have an eight seater with no luggage space. How are you going to possibly travel on a long trip with luggages? The only vehicle that makes sense are the Cadillac ESV, the Suburban and the extended Denali. Even the space on the X7 is useless.

[@chrisglover2133]

They’re not that long compared to a pickup. Hardly a concern.

[@simonjpmason]

“Let’s address the quite literal [thing that is literally not being addressed]”

[@nathangregory_]

It was my impression that the Defender was always built as a more rugged two-door off-road vehicle, although 90% of the individuals purchasing this series will never take it off-road. Its counterparts in the Land Rover are built more for luxury. Now, it seems there's no difference. So what's the point in purchasing this Defender?

[@cannonball9478]

Well the big club are ruining farming so no need for proper landies now I guess.

[@gc2234]

Range Rover = CEOs and Captains of Industry, that want to go off roading. Range Rover Sport = Managing Directors and Entrepreneurs, that want to go off roading. Discovery = Wealthy people that need a daily family car, but also want to go on adventures off road. Defender 90 = adventurous wealthy couples that want to go over landing and off roading. Defender 110 = adventurous, wealthy people with a couple of kids that want to go over landing. Defender 130 = adventurous, wealthy over landers with lots of kids or friends that need 8 seats. 😂

[@peterwinter3515]

The older ones weren't pretty, very square or rectangular if you have a 110.

[@arinzeakutekwe5126]

The steering wheel is the same as the current Discovery 5.

[@michaelcope856]

As the late, great Jackie Mason said, 'You're driving a truck!'

[@dragonoidman]

Deffo one of those cars where you'll deffo need to buy a nice big roof box if you're taking your family and your mates family on holiday 😂

[@CarsofGlasgow]

Thanks for this Joel, Im just going to grab a tea then watch this :) PS interestingly my friend's dad recently swapped out his V8 Continental GT for a Defender 130 the other week

[@itsjoel]

Thanks for watching mate!

[@gnixon9307]

if you want a 8 seater car just buy a japanese import estima , you can pick up decent ones with 70k miles for £10,000 - £12,000

[@shawtravis7384]

Zzzzzz . . . . .

[@thebeautifulones5436]

Is there a ute version?

[@FlynnBellamyCars]

Unless you plan on having 6 children, or your a mafia boss who wants to shove several bodies in the back, then I see little point in the 130. Lovely car, but definitely not for me 😁 Excellent video!

[@JayEden-n4m]

22:49 I drive a new disco and it’s alright. I nearly bought the 110. It’s just covered in kids muddy football boots crisp packets and dog hair now 😂

[@davidvivian596]

Just my opinion, but I think the car would look even better if the rear wheels were moved forward slightly.

[@jackal2607]

Its a meh daily driver. Take it off roading , what its built for. If you want to cruise around on the roads get a Range Rover or Jag

[@anmoldhingra97]

The 130 available here in india is 5str only

[@noelcahill6707]

Apart from landrover could built a engine if you paid them the cost of this defender just makes it not worth it buy a house in poland then this

[@MrBarbarian]

Soo big yet soo small compared to long wheel base Escalade

[@Wilko101]

£800 for a 24 hour hire….. now that’s a bargain!

[@robgraham9234]

if it's bigger than a 12 seater minibus, then, yes it's too big.

[@midge225]

The perfevt chelsea tractor. Lets face it because 90% of these things will never go offroad and they will end up parked outside school gates waiting for giles or penelope to come out of school

[@shawtravis7384]

Maybe, but mine has been through Strata Florida (Wales) and the Atlas Mountains and Western Sahara - and the car's performance was immaculate.

[@IesApac]

looks like a lego block

[@dee_-_]

I dont get why people buy these when they just drive on roads lol. But saying that ull need oneor these in the uk with our roads lol

[@ianscorey5293]

Looks as though Land Rover is establishing a new division for the Defender….. The hurst division!!!!! Remove the two rows of rear seats and you can carry a coffin ⚰️ in the back!!! Funeral directors will be blown away!!! And the Defender has air suspension!!! Therefore getting the stiff out of the back won’t be a problem!! Such a stupid vehicle!!! Regards Ian 👨‍🎤🇳🇿👍🍸🍸

[@holsteincowboy]

In my opinion the Discovery 5 is a better looking car

[@ayoutubechannel8036]

Mate I don’t think anyone agrees with you

[@huwfish]

I don’t. I put a deposit on a D5 but after seeing it bought an L405 instead. I had a D3 and 4 and both were all cars to all men and the Defender picks up the mantle where the 5 missed the point entirely.

[@jonathancollard3710]

Loved my D5…. Only sold to swap into a L405

[@ayoutubechannel8036]

how you choosing disco over defender

[@drporpoise9377]

Oh shush

[@johnbradley6280]

Hate to break it to you but that is not a literal elephant 😊 Love your videos but please don't subscribe to the KZbinr curse of saying literal or literally every other sentence!

[@idontknow12383]

Thats a caravan atp ☠️

[@mrd64]

A great car if used for its intended purpose as an off-road/farm vehicle. Otherwise, it becomes another pointless SUV.

[@mickkingston1450]

Chassis is the LR4

[@andrewnevermind4902]

Drug dealers for the petrol v8 and yuppy mums for all the rest.

[@grjabalpuriya1039]

That’s what not your girl told me

[@heyhey3887]

Reminds me of a hearse 😂

[@itsjoel]

@@heyhey3887 could be the ‘premium’ funeral option? 😂

[@teevee8944]

I've owned 2 Range Rovers 1st 2000 black kept for 3 years spent days and days fixing this that and the other, 2nd 2008 white same crap even worse, both for my wife as far as I'm concerned they're chick cars anyway. had nothing but issues and head aches never again I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.

[@grahamthomas6381]

It will be hilarious seeing 8 people on the hard shoulder waiting for recovery when this one breaks down. Absolute garbage

[@MrCaterhamr500]

It’s ostentatious but some like that, but good luck actually using that in the real world,wide and long and won’t fit in uk parking spaces 😂

[@shawtravis7384]

Looks long, but actually shorter than a Merc S Class.

[@ximin_sleepy]

it's a bus😂

[@insitetoursirelandltd.5795]

Sorry, it looks like a massive wardrobe on huge wheels. Sadly, they're everywhere now on the school run.

[@NahNotEvenMate]

It’s just obnoxiously large.

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

Keep both hands firmly on the steering wheel .

[@martintongper6703]

❤❤❤

[@E92jamesy]

Bloody ridiculous!!! Good luck parking the Chelsea tractor. I had a GLE450D for a weekend, absolute nightmare to manoeuvre in an underground carpark entrance/exit. Just becoming ridiculous now with "luxury SUV".

[@shawtravis7384]

How are you getting on with the Micra??

[@mrb4408]

Even if I had six kids and the money to buy that, that wouldn’t be on the list at all, it’s ridiculous.

[@redsidebiker]

After your JLR experiences Joel and that diesel engine, I'm suprised that you are in a Solihull sh1tbox and possibly trying to promote it....but you're young, you'll learn!

[@itsjoel]

nothing in it for me to promote JLR products, JLR don't even reply to my emails. Just giving my honest opinions, and the defender is a great car.

[@redsidebiker]

@@itsjoel OK Joel, I stand corrected. You just appear to buy or test a lot of them, hence my incorrect statement.

[@itsjoel]

@@redsidebiker because I love them!

[@tekpic04]

​@@itsjoel I wonder why with their reputation.🤣🤡

[@monkeysmasher7628]

When a Defender drives like a luxurious Range Rover, something's definitely gone wrong....

[@mowerman60]

It's horrid and nothing like the 130 we all knew and loved. It's a shopping trolley for woke filmstars.I hate it.

[@angrynortherner3805]

No as where the hell are you going to park it! 110 or Disco 7 seats and nothing beyond!

[@LaminJammin]

Joel I love your channel, can you please help to get a discount at theout

[@LockedenLoad]

You look nothing like your dad....................much!

[@frankieknuckles9361]

It’s the massive wart under the left nostril…

[@gartgreenside3657]

Horrible big lorry.... One day I'll get myself a proper old SWB one, 88 or 90

[@shawtravis7384]

And until then you'll keep on driving the Micra??

[@gartgreenside3657]

@@shawtravis7384 No. I'll continue driving all our old cars - a hatchback, a small estate and a two seater coupe. Edit - all of them being petrol engined, manual gearbox, just like my land rover will be.

[@andrewnevermind4902]

Car design is now at a stage where cars just look like zoomed in on hotwheels cars. Just boring, undetailed muck.

[@shawtravis7384]

I can understand this comment from someone who only looks at these cars. Those of us who are fortunate to own and drive, have a more informed and higher opinion of these excellent vehicles.