SHOULD YOU BUY A RED DOT FOR DUCK HUNTING?

[@final_fall]

Thanks for watching guys!

[@JohnPhillips-qw4db]

Speed bead and venom combo here. I’ve ran it for years. I’ll never go back. Hit percentage went way up on waterfowl. The built in parallax setting allows for non perfect form when sitting up quickly to make shots. Meaning you don’t necessarily need your head perfectly down on the stock to be accurate. Only negative is rainy weather and keeping the glass clean.

[@final_fall]

Yeah. I agree. I have noticed this year doing more field hunting that it's much harder to use in fields. Especially when it's rainy and muddy. If I'm hunting over water even in the rain I have had very few issues. Just seems to be field hunting in the kryptonite

[@jonrundle3914]

I had a shotkam for a while and thought how good it would be if you could see the dot whilst shooting as opposed to viewing clips afterwards. Here it is ! I also like the ethical argument you put forward about achieving a clean kill.

[@final_fall]

After having it for a season I have definitely grown fond of my sight! It's been great. Thanks for your comment! Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already!

[@C_Tutt]

I shoot Skeet, Sporting Clays and Trap competitions. I shoot both eyes open because you can process your target easier and faster with both open, shooting with one eye put me at a disadvantage. I shoot upper 90s most of my competitions. It takes adjusting but is way better. I also shoot a lot of birds so it transfers well

[@final_fall]

When I was growing up, and we went hunting we had no idea what we were doing. And so, with that being the case, I wasn't educated in shooting with both eyes open and formed bad habits early. I wish that I hadn't. But the red dot sight does make it easier for me to shoot with both open. And I'm grateful for that. Thanks for your comment and expertise. I appreciate it!

[@waynedalin]

I love your down to earth, straightforward commentary!!!

[@final_fall]

Thanks man! Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already!

[@MKChase-uj9vx]

Lol... it's like deer hunting... but you only get a turkey! 🤣🤣🤣

[@final_fall]

I'd personally take turkey hunting over deer hunting anyday. But hey, sometimes we need people to shake it up a bit.

[@ericbaltierra6869]

Well my turkey experience was in pocatello idaho and the areas I hunted were definitely not flat at all. Up and down steep draws chasing those dang things. I'll pass on mountain turkey hunting 😅

[@waynedalin4148]

I really appreciate the feedback. Super honest, super helpful!

[@final_fall]

Hey thanks so much. I appreciate your comment! Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already. It really helps me out.

[@ejcked]

I use vortex venom 3moa red dot on my SBE3 and it rocks for duck hunting and other things.

[@final_fall]

Yeah. Its definitely worked out well so far!

[@justinpoore2938]

I have a speed bead. If that barrel shifts remember that sights not mounted to the barrel. I bought a speed bead for 70 the fastfire 3 for 200

[@final_fall]

I had never thought about that. Have you had issues with cleaning the gun and the point of zero then being off?

[@jimb788]

Do you think someone in a pinch could use a setup like this for deer hunting?

[@final_fall]

Yes. This would work well for deer hunting. It doesn't have any magnification so expect some close range shooting. But unless you have a rifled barrel on your shotgun it'll be under 70 yards anyway.

[@jonathanmorgan6130]

Have the red dot sights improved your shooting/hits?

[@final_fall]

I mean, that's hard to know for sure. Because even with the sight being perfect I am still imperfect. So idk if it's made me a better shot or not. It has made my sight acquisition better though.

[@ChristopherBrusa]

You convinced me. Going to put a T2 on my SBE3. 🤙🏻

[@final_fall]

Let me know what you think! I've been doing it two years now and I really like it. The only downfall is mud and really rainy days. If your field hunting in the weather, it can be hard to keep clean. Otherwise it works great!

[@johanbarnard6573]

Awesome. Very informative. Thank you for taking the time out to make the vid. 🤜

[@final_fall]

Of course! Thanks for your comment and don't forget to subscribe

[@robertsirotski1367]

I have the browning maxus 2 looking for a red dot can u send me the info of the red that and bracket you have on your Maxus

[@final_fall]

meadow-creek-mounts.myshopify.com/products/rib-mount-package-deal-mount-optic?variant=44502625845570 here you go! Pick your optic and you're good to go!

[@abdulazizalsumaot2775]

From where did you get SBE3 red dot ?

[@final_fall]

I believe it was purchased on Amazon. But most gun and shooting stores online will carry them

[@DeezGarage]

So is it possible to get a speed bead for a supernova nowadays? And what’s your thoughts on holosun

[@final_fall]

They do make a speed bead for a supernova so it's definitely possible. I have no personal experience with holosun sights. It seems like they have good reviews and are not made for airsoft or pellet guns. They are made for actual firearms. Which is obviously important because it has to be able to hold zero while withstanding a decent amount of kick. Especially on a shotgun. So I think it's a good option. The only reason I would not buy a holosun, is they do not have a no questions asked lifetime warranty like vortex or Burris optics. And that is HUGELY important. Especially if you are going to use this for waterfowl. Waterfowl hunting is notoriously hard on gear and guns. If you break it, you want the piece of mind you can send it in and have it replaced for free. So, because it's about the same price as the vortex venom, which I have been using all year and I am loving, I would recommend getting a vortex over the holosun just because of the warranty. Thanks for the comment! I really appreciate it! Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already!

[@scottmcdanel839]

Have you made a how to with the modifications to the SBE III?

[@final_fall]

No. Unfortunately I have not been able to get Eric to make one yet. I'll hit him up again about filming one and I can get it up.

[@ericbaltierra6869]

I'll be making the video within the next week if everything plays out and ill get it to kody to post.

[@jefferybrooks4592]

Thank you both. You guys have a great collection of helpful vids.. Did yall get a chance to make the Speed bead modification video for the SBE3 ? I could t find it

[@final_fall]

@jefferybrooks4592 no unfortunately it was never made. I don't personally own the gun. That's Eric's. So I hoped it would happen but it hasn't. Thank you though so much for your comment. I'm glad our videos have helped you out. Dont forget to subscribe if you haven't already

[@alexqueipo5070]

Hey amigo. I just watched this video and I reckon you just wrapped up duck season. I literally just picked up a brand new Stoeger M3500 and I am contemplating getting a red dot sight for it. Did you run into any issues with moisture while hunting with the red dot this season?

[@final_fall]

we are almost done yet. I have two more goose hunts and I'll be done with the bulk of waterfowl because it ends on the 31st. But to answer your question, yes and no. It was slightly problematic on rainy days. As the glass gets rain on it and you're constantly cleaning it. But even with rain on the sight it still worked, just wasn't as easy to see through. I was still able to kill birds though. The rain did not damage the sight, and it still worked. Just was a hassle to keep clean. I do really like it though. I feel like shoot better with it as shouldering my gun is much easier with it.

[@alexqueipo5070]

@@final_fall cool! I ordered a Holosun 509t and a weaver 93A for my Stogey. I’m excited to get it installed and sighted in. Might get in on a late season goose hunt in February. Side note, I was up in Idaho in the first week of January for a duck hunt with my friend and it was insane how many mallards y’all have flying around.

[@final_fall]

What part of Idaho where you in?

[@seandugan5664]

What distance did you guys zero you red dot at for this setup?

[@final_fall]

About 40 yards for bird shot. And I used a full choke to get a tighter pattern to get it as accurate as possible. When I sighted it in with slugs I went to 50 yards

[@philiptrump8472]

how'd it work?

[@final_fall]

If you mean how do I like the Red Dot for duck hunting? Did it work out? Yes. It has worked very well and I really really like it. I will not be going back anytime soon unless I have to

[@philiptrump8472]

Yeah that’s what I meant. Good to know. You should make a follow up video about it. I’m going to try it this year in WA. I’m sure I’m not the guy out there thinking about trying a red dot for ducks this year and there’s not a lot of videos about it besides yours. I’ve got a Nova but I just got a CZ Turkey Reaper over/under that came with a rail. I’ve got a 3 MOA and a 6 MOA Venom that I can put on it. I got it for turkey and deer but I’m thinking about changing out the chokes and taking it duck hunting instead of my Nova. Can’t decide on what I’m gonna do that’s why I watch your video. Seems to make a lot of sense to me. I shoot red dots well. I think you made a good point in this video when you said 2 eyes open. Most people don’t do that and they complain about the dot looking broken up. Good video good advice thanks man

[@final_fall]

@philiptrump8472 yeah I have made a brief one last year about it and just filmed a new update but haven't gotten it put up yet. I'm hoping to get it up this week. I definitely like it. I feel like it has actually made my instinctual shooting better as I'm not focused on making sure I have a good sight with my bead. I didn't realize how much I actually had to adjust my head and pull before I shot at Ducks before. And now I don't do that. I pull to shoulder and my red dot is there ready to lead and shoot. It's made me more accurate and I've been able to take shots at longer distances with better success.

[@danielholder511]

Really wanting the Burris style one but have a sx4. thought about just buying a shotgun that is compatible with it. You guys still running red dots?

[@final_fall]

We are yes. I actually think having farther from the eye using the meadow creek mount is preferable though based on my opinion and how Eric feels about his Burris speed bead. Burris has stopped making the speed bead. Or at least they aren't making it in any new styles. So I wouldn't go and buy a gun just to get a speed bead. I initially thought the speed bead would be better, but my opinion has changed and I think the meadow creek mount is the superior mount in my opinion. And it costs less.

[@danielholder511]

@@final_fall that’s interesting. Figured the closer the optic the better of a FOV you would have resulting in easier more accurate use.

[@final_fall]

@danielholder511 You are correct that the field of view is larger with it that close to your face. But it also has a propensity to fog up in colder weather. The speed bead definitely looks cooler too. But I have gotten really used to my red dot and it's made my shooting much more reflexive and and made me a better shot. I'm sure with either the meadow Creek Mount or the speed bead, you'll get to the point it feels really natural. But I'm glad I have my mount where it is now.

[@danielholder511]

@@final_fall gotcha. What red dot would you recommended? Also thought about if I could just drill and tap my receiver and direct mount a red dot haha. Or just order and modify a sx3 Burris mount

[@final_fall]

You could do either of those to mount it. A drill and tapped receiver would be perfect I think. I wish mine had a tapped receiver. And I'm not sure if the sx3 one is compatible. If you were willing to try it and see if you can get it to fit on your sx4 let me know as I have an sx4 myself and I'm curious.

[@nelsonyang365]

Thank u for this video... was thinking about a red dot

[@final_fall]

Hey you're welcome. Don't forget to subscribe! I appreciate it!

[@JohnWilliamLeonard35]

I’m interested in getting a mossberg sa20 with a rail or seeing if that mount used here would work with that gun, and mounting my fast fire three to it for dove and maybe some turkey hunting if I put a tight choke in it

[@final_fall]

The meadow Creek mount would definitely work. Just got to get the right kind. I don't know if they make a Burris speed bead for that gun though.

[@legendleng]

How did you do with the red dot? I’m thinking of adding one to my shotgun too!

[@final_fall]

It's a learning curve but not a hard one. I haven't done any waterfowl hunting but I did take it dove hunting and was able to kill a few doves and pigeons with it. So it works it just takes time getting used to it.

[@andersonpb44]

I have a bad nystagmus in my eyes were they shake when I try to focus on something, it makes it really hard for any long range shooting or iron sights trying to line both sights up! I’m pretty good at shotgun shooting but always wondered if using a red dot would help

[@final_fall]

It depends. I think there are advantages to the red dot sight. And ultimately I started looking into it for my Dad who has bad eyes and has trouble lining up his shots properly. So it might help you out. There is a learning curve when using it. But ultimately I'm liking it.

[@eduffy4937]

Not trying to be a troll here, but whats the difference between a sight bead at the muzzle and a speed bead at the breech? Both point where the shot is going, or is there sometjong im missing?

[@final_fall]

No. You're not wrong. They do both point where the shot is going. The difference is how you get there. For example, as my dad ages his ability to properly pull his shotgun to shoulder and line up a shot properly has been more and more difficult. This has gotten to the point that he is discouraged to go hunting because he feels like he can't hit anything with a bead. Because with a bead, you have to pull correctly, make sure your looking down the gun properly before you shoot. And my dad struggles to do that now. The red dot eliminates that problem. With a red dot, no matter how you pull to shoulder, if you can see the dot, and put it on target you will hit it. The red dot can be in the corner of the lense, and if you put the dot on, you'll hit it. This ultimately makes you more accurate and could potentially give you faster target aquistion. On top of this, you don't really focus on the dot, because when looking through the lense, it in a way projects the dot out into the plane the ducks are at which makes it seem like the dot is floating out there in front of the bird. And that helps with your accuracy as well. This is our first season running them. And the jury is still out. But so far I am liking mine. Eric has had mixed results with his.

[@eduffy4937]

@@final_fall oh ok youre talkimg about a paralax free dot sight. Got ya now. Thanks for clearing it up.

[@final_fall]

So explain to me what you thought the sight was? As I'm genuinely curious. Like a fixed style Holo sight?

[@eduffy4937]

@@final_fall just a cheap red dot is what i thought it was. Paralax free allows you to move your head and the dot stay at point of impact whereas a cheap one moves the dot all over when you move your eye

[@final_fall]

Yeah. The cheap ones also won't hold zero during recoil. So you have to buy one that's a little more sturdy and having one with the lifetime no questions warranty is helpful because duck hunting is hard on gear. I have a small up date video coming out in the next few days on what I think so far, so if you haven't subscribed, then please do, and stay tuned!

[@brianlouks3017]

Where did you order the mount and red dot sight from? Can only find the mount for the SEB2

[@final_fall]

Which mount are you wanting?

[@final_fall]

The one on the sbe3 is a Burris speed bead made for the sbe2 that has been slightly modified. The mount on the Browning Maxus is a meadow creek mount. You can Google their website. I bought the meadow creek mount and the vortex optic as a bundle on meadow creek mounts website and it has worked really well for me.

[@brianlouks3017]

@@final_fall thanks for the info!

[@final_fall]

@Brian Louks no problem!

[@brwneyes986]

Can you please explain what modifications you made on the SBE2 Burris Speed Bead to make it work on the SBE3?

[@wesleywalker1682]

I guess I'm a little confused... the idea sounds great, and I think it has a good chance of improving my wingshooting. But you say I should be proficient at shooting a shotgun before putting one on. If I am already proficient, why do I need one?

[@final_fall]

To make sure you don't handicap yourself. If you're proficient, then it's just a help. If you're not proficient it becomes a crutch.

[@JulioHernandez-zs5pb]

El tiro al pato es muy intuitivo por qué los patos vienen con mucha velocidad. Una mira réflex no creo que ayude en nada sino todo lo contrario.

[@final_fall]

tienes razón. es intuitivo. y usar una mira réflex no lo hace menos intuitivo. Puedo decir ahora que han pasado 1,5 temporadas en las que mi precisión definitivamente ha mejorado y disparo mejor que antes. Tengo. Noté que mi capacidad para avistar y disparar pájaros a distancias más largas también ha mejorado.

[@bryceduckman25]

You’re supposed to shoot everything with both eyes open.

[@final_fall]

That's correct. But it's easier said then done. And if you were taught incorrectly growing up, because that's how they were taught growing up, it makes it difficult to switch when you have done it the same way for years.

[@204_mod_shop]

It's very true you lose your depth presentation with closing one eye, if anybody doesn't believe that I challenge you to drive with one eye closed. Let's see how you react to driving. Same application with firearms :)

[@final_fall]

It is true. But I'll believe it. I don't want to rear end someone. Haha.

[@jimboneutron8399]

Yall use the bead? What helped me the most with my accuracy was ditching my bead. Keep both eyes on the target and don’t worry about the gun. After a while your brain just knows where to put the barrel when you are focusing on the target. Some old head told me that and I didn’t buy it but I tried it and now im surgical with my shot gun lol. Your brain legit knows exactly where the shot needs to go, its really strange. I feel like a red dot would just distract me

[@final_fall]

It's kind of a weird thing for sure. Red dot is pretty cool though. It looks like the dot is floating out there with the birds. It's pretty nice. I'm sure if you learn to not use the bead it's probably better. But for a bead style the red dot is my favorite.

[@jimboneutron8399]

@@final_fall ya i guess it depends on how you learn. I learned without using any aiming device so it would distract me but if you learn by aiming then i can see how it can be easier to pick up on.

[@final_fall]

@jimboneutron8399 yeah I would like to learn how to shoot more instinctively. But I don't want to take the time to do it because I'm lazy and I don't like missing even for the short time it would take to learn it.