Should you buy a USED BMW 6 Series?

[@BobbyAngmalaysia]

My 640i is super reliable. Never skipped a bit. I drive it hard every weekend up mountain roads. Fuel efficient, low maintenance. Superb car.

[@keataun352]

Haha bobby is here too 👍

[@Seemashe]

U lucky for now … BMWs are most unreliable .. 3 of them are in top 10 in the world .. Audis are a disaster as well … Mercs most reliable out of them

[@raw8814]

@@Seemashe theyre all pretty much the same quality wise, dont be fooled

[@leonchen89]

@@raw8814 it all depends on the engine. Reliability wise: Mercedes v8. Bmw straight line 6. Audi’s 4 cylinder turbo engines are more reliable than the ones Mercedes and BMW make.

[@doncorleon9]

Bobby Ang is here!

[@johnnyo8602]

As an owner, I would like to add a few bits and pieces: It should be mentioned that there are two versions of the V8 engine in the 650i (at least for the coupé and convertible). The 408HP version really has a lot of problems and should not be considered to be bought, these are the ones you will find online at the lower end of the price range. But there is a revised version of the N63 that has 449HP and this engine is much more reliable. Actually further iterations of it can also be found in younger models like the G30 or G11 for example. Furthermore I think it's worth to mention that, even though the 6 Series was only sold in low numbers, it shares most of its parts with the F10 5 Series which was being sold incredibly well. So there won't be any issue with part availablility in my opinion. Thanks for the review, I also think that this car is one of the best value for money cars out there on the used market, that's the reason I bought one haha!

[@1MrErling]

Indeed

[@gtd9536]

I bought mine new. And one thing going for these cars is that most owners including me baby their cars. So you'll like get a well maintained car. How good a well maintained BMW is, is another issue. :)

[@hulk-smash-deez-hose.7951]

Yes newer bmw has dramatically improved 👍

[@shayramnath7208]

Hi guys looking at a 2017 650i - just open to any comments on this car grande coupe - i’m only worried about the high kilometres the car I’m looking at is about 80,000 km.

[@hulk-smash-deez-hose.7951]

@@shayramnath7208 it should be fine, bmw S63tu engine has improved with underrated statements, and it’s mostly because most people are still stuck with the older models that are under 2015 once you cross that line Bavaria engineer correct every faults on the v8 and v10 engines, the N63 was very controversial for oil consumption, and S63 rod bearing issues all that nightmare came to an end after 2015

[@semyon74]

Definitely something I would buy for 35k, then proceed to spend 20k maintaining it over next 8 years trying to justify my purchase and refuse to get rid of it.

[@registrationaccount1034]

Just buy an aftermarket warranty.

[@beefcastle696]

Lol this has been my exact experience with my x5 4.8i

[@fritzmuller8246]

I had no such story with my BMW . It was a 3.0 diesel . Just went like a Toyota . Flawless . Cost me 200 a year to service . Look carefully and you'll find a good car

[@shanejones578]

Me right now with my 650i x drive GC

[@shanejones578]

Although, it’s just regular maintenance. 8 cylinders means a lot of moving parts that can go bad is all, but it’s never left me stranded!

[@registrationaccount1034]

Couple of glaringly bad statements in this video that need correcting. 1. The 6 is literally the same drivetrain as a 5 series. Just a little shorter on the F12/13. The F06 Gran Coupe is the same length as a 5 series. But the body is a bit longer. 2. The 6 was a flagship offering. These actually sold quite well. There were just fewer of them and the price was higher for obviously reasons 3. The evolution of the 6 was NOT discontinued. They made an ugly hatchback 6 that has zero to do with the F series 6. The F series 6 went on to live in the revived 8 numbering with the G series. The 1st gen N63 had lots of issues but by 2013 the 6 got the super improved N63TU. The BMW V8 platforms get a bad rap. If you maintain them and go get an aftermarket warrannty. Your Golden. Not to mention that in the USA your protected on the N63 and N63TU platform for 10 years or 120K miles due to the Bang vs BMW and Isley vs BMW for excessive oil consumption repairs or new engine if necessary. 4. You can literally put a tune and downpipes on the N63TU and run 10s in these freighters. The V8 TT tuning ability is insane. 5. You are right. The F series 6 lines and packaging is a timeless masterpiece. Especially the 4 door F06 Gran Coupe. BMW will never reach this level of excellence with a design again.

[@ReDriven]

Cheers for the input!

[@Jaredscott89]

Where did they claim it wasn't the same drive-train as the 5 series? The BMW flagship of that era has a number greater than 6. The 8 series is not the evolution of the 6 series, its entirely new and positioned differently in the market. This isn't the USA and aftermarket warranties aren't worth the paper they are written on. If the N63TU was super improved why do the Yanks have extra consumer protections on them? Where did they say they couldn't run a 10 with mods? Number 5 seems like you agree with their comment while listing their "glaringly bad statements that need correcting"... Fair play to defend a car you obviously like, but if you are going to call them out on mistakes, at least have the stones to do it properly and with a little intellectual honesty.

[@Jaredscott89]

@@ReDriven You guys are way to generous. The review was good with no glaring mistakes that need correction.

[@registrationaccount1034]

@@Jaredscott89 Most of what you state is just bloviation. Nothing said was untrue. The 6 was most definitely a flagship offering (Didnt say 'THE' flagship offering which is subjective). It was even stated as being a flagship offering in original launch literature and touted as such in major automobile magazine reviews. The 8 is 100% the evolution of the 6 series. And was such a good seller that BMW continued it in the revived 8 name. Same market segment, same drivetrain technical and powertrain platform evolution, same models. Not sure how you came up with it not being the next gen of the 6. Weird. Him showing a hatchback 6 which is totally unrelated to the F12/13/F06 and was glaringly false to imply that was the evolution of the F12/13/F06. The other statements made, while not directly related to what was said in the video are still indirectly related to the robustness of the V8 and potential. As far as warranty. Well, sorry you dont live in the USA or live down under, or wherever.

[@Jaredscott89]

@@registrationaccount1034 Flagship is flagship, the 6 wasn't it. No the 8 is not an evolution of the 6. If the 6 was such a good seller, BMW wouldn't have to totally alter the marketing and segment position of the car to revive it. They showed when most laymen would see when they lookup a modern 6... it was a fair comment. Your list was defective. In future if you want to attempt to call out someone for false statements, at least have a shred of intellectual honesty. Jog on clown.

[@KirkTheGod]

Spot on. My 2013 640d had a slightly stretched timing chain at 70k miles, so got it done preventatively and car drove like new thereafter. Haven't had a single fault... most reliable car I've ever owned! Transmission fluid & filter needs to be replaced at around 60k - this is mandatory to keep it shifting smoothly

[@BluCat86]

Hi mate, what symptoms did you notice with a stretched chain?

[@ayookusanya5437]

How do you diagnose a slightly stretched chain?

[@kjhnsn7296]

How much did you pay to replace the trans fluid & filter?

[@ironmantooltime]

Trans service is a few hundred. Timing chain symptoms is a rattle. My guess is cost of the job is $2500?

[@dutchlogitechclan]

My dad owns a '13 M6 GC. In 10 years he only put 80k km's on it, 99% of the kilometers driven are 500km trips on the Autobahn going a constant 200+ km/h, hasn't had a *single* issue.

[@martinmcdonald4207]

I always thought that the 4 door 6 series is the coolest 4 door BMW ever produced. Still looks great and that design will be a timeless classic in the future. When you drive behind one you can see how planted they are.

[@bikemike1118]

No timeless classic design since Chris Bangle destroyed the looks of BMW. Since then all their car models (motorcycles are a very different breed at BMW) age very badly. And after 4-5 years after their product launch their design (if there ever has been on) looks already dated and ‚over‘. …Sure no one wants to buy this used, except for VERY little coin!

[@kristoffer3000]

@@bikemike1118 Bangle era BMW's are now being praised, with good reason, most of them have aged like fine wine. You're just in the minority, holding on to launch impressions of them

[@bikemike1118]

@@kristoffer3000 …praised by who?? Chris Bangle? … These where almost as ugly as the current day models 🤮

[@boosted1430]

You should see the m5 competition cs

[@bikemike1118]

@@kristoffer3000 totally disagree!

[@GY9944]

One of the most beautiful BMWs of all time and is perfect in pretty much an body/engine configuration

[@andreasxfjd4141]

In my opinion it is one of the most beautiful cars (not only BMWs)

[@KLiNoTweet]

The newer BMWs in comparison look like poop.

[@miguelsandoval8203]

The maintance cost on this things are ridiculous ‘’

[@justdont2019]

I had a 2013. It was the most amazing car I’d ever had. Then the engine suffered sudden catastrophic failure at under 50k miles. So I bought a Maserati Gran Turismo Sport. I’ve never been so happy to have had an engine blow up. The Mase is the dream I never knew existed.

[@pylyo]

Lmao, you will never sell maseratti, as they are super unreliable and horror to maintain, not to mention how hard is to get parts for it. you are basically married to it, as no one wants them 2nd hand. 😂

[@cemo3292]

Maserati is dogshit interior looks like 20 years old

[@CJWilcox109]

The 640i is the one to get. The n55 inline 6 was used across the full bmw range from 2009-2016. It’s much more reliable, parts are reasonably priced and easy to find, and any issues are known and documented.

[@registrationaccount1034]

Depends on what your looking for. Nothing replaces the exhilaration and torque of a twin turbo charged V8. It's perfectly suited for this GT cruiser. If you focus on preventative maintenance and get an aftermarket warranty your good.

[@1MrErling]

@@registrationaccount1034 indeed

[@bwdrives]

@@registrationaccount1034 You're right, but the N55 is a brilliant engine in its own right and can be tuned for more power if the owner desires

[@registrationaccount1034]

@@bwdrivesThis is a 2015 650 Gran Coupe. Tune and Downpipes only. Runs 10s@127mph 0-60 2.85 seconds for less than $2K in mods. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5PTpJ6ro7Ssl9U

[@anwaaraslam723]

@@bwdrives naaa the diesel 3L is deffo what you want. Remap it to 380 and still get good mpg. Perfect daily

[@wikn8r275]

Agreed. I have a 2016 M6 Gran Coupe and its doing great! Drives flawlessly, gets lots of stares, and everything still works! Love this car.

[@MrAleB305]

How many miles do you have? I want to pick up a used one but I would cry if I had to replace an engine.

[@stocksxbondage]

That’s honestly the only 6 worth the money (slightly worn M6) and that’s something I don’t think they touched on. Yes it’s more expensive, but you don’t buy a 6 series for the inline 6 engine to cruise around. You buy a 6 series because it’s a beautiful, powerful coupe. BMW is proficient in luxury performance cars… save a few more years and either get the M6 or the 650i. Yes the 40i is more reliable but this chassis is wasted on a 6 cylinder. 640i will bore you in a couple months. No reason to spend BMW money on a 640 when you can get the same out of something like a Lexus/Infiniti and it be cheaper. If you do just want to cruise, get the slower 5 or 7 🤷🏽‍♂️ A not so sporty 6 series is such a weird middle. Gotta go all in 😈 bet you’ll remember the m6 forever

[@Anythingyoulike2013]

@@stocksxbondage i have a 640i daily am never bored of it. Quite frankly i dont trust bmw v8's.

[@stocksxbondage]

@@Anythingyoulike2013 I’m saying reliability and money aside, you’d put a v8 in the 6 series. Used 640 over 650 is a choice of “I don’t want this car to cost more than it’s worth”

[@shanejones578]

@@MrAleB305650ix GC 2013, just hit 98k regular maintenance. Only light on is low washer fluid lol

[@styilmaz1980]

Have a 2015 640i. It's a great combination of classy and sporty. Does great on long distance as a cruiser or as a sports car in sport mode. BMW nailed it with this one.

[@Josh-zq4no]

this channel is seriously underrated. I've been looking at what used car to get for my first for when I'm 18 at the end of the year and this channel has helped me narrow it down and avoid a huge mistake (Audi A4). I think I'm gonna go with a Honda Accord Euro :) Love from Melbourne

[@ReDriven]

Cheers Josh! Appreciate the support, mate!

[@cartermorrish8180]

I love the 6 series! Super under rated in my opinion.

[@jiska111111111111111]

While it was the main BMW GT3 racecar for many years until just last year

[@Qwepzy]

Even the design of the 6 series before this one looked great, 2 completely different designs both looking amazing

[@seropserop]

I had this car the the B&O sound system and it’s a non negotiable option. So is the 19” rims with the M package and the LED headlights. Best car I ever owned!! No problems ever

[@plama8341]

I`ve the same but with 20" M package rims. B&O rocks ;) Car is amazing. In my opinion in such a big car X-drive is very usefull.

[@BiggRich95]

@@plama8341 can you explain what xdrive is and how it helps ?

[@2379m]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6i8i5hsob9sm8U

[@antsh1985]

@@BiggRich95 xdrive is a fancy bmw word for all wheel drive

[@squirtle570]

Finding with a B&O system is soo hard to find. Ik it's a really good system

[@Rockport1911]

When BMW tried to do a Mercedes CLS, I think it aged well :) In germany these where kinda known to be thrown into the Sixt rental fleet as luxury upgrade options. Had a blast in a 640d and even a newer 840d coupe. Most fun you can have with these when new, rent, and never worry about the upkeep and maintenance.

[@rocstyles4467]

I've own this car 3 yrs plus it is EXCELLENT you heard me EXCELLENT. NO problem ever. Full of power.

[@JeffDeWitt-w3s]

I have a 2018 640 XI GT with now 54,000 miles. Zero problems and a dream car. The interior is like a 7 series, sporty like a 4 series, and can haul more than many X series. With the seat down, you can haul a 6 foot ladder. It has the wing that goes up like a Porsche at hard acceleration or highway speed and a killer Harmon Cardon stereo. I bought mine new in 2018 with all the options. Nothing new in 2024 comes close to it . I service it by the book and be ready for tires every 25K since run flats wear fast. The Ultimate Driving Machine.

[@clnhunter9137]

I have an 08 650i, 4.8 V8….189k miles and it’s still a great car that has aged very well. As my daily driver, it’s fast, decent mileage, great range, and beautifully quiet.. unless I’m cranking the stereo… and very reliable

[@TreFree-n7o]

How much is insurance?

[@johnnybanana8004]

do you mean the older 6series or the one in the vid?

[@robingrunsberg9572]

@@johnnybanana8004 08 is the older gen. Imo it didn't age well..

[@sammik3959]

I had the same car. Was terrible unreliable 😅

[@sokuneng6422]

Stretched timing chains,valve stem seals leak,carbon build up on intake valves,leaking coolant lines, are just some of the common issues. It could get costly to repair but yes it's a great looking and performing car.

[@pokkel1982]

Guys, your reviews are "utterly bloody fantastic"! I can't stop watching. You can really see the effort you put in the videos and you have a great way of delivering it. I would say you might be the best all rounder and entertaining car reviewers I've seen. So much info and it's reliable... Go for gold guys.

[@EzzaLeo]

As someone who loves great 4-door GTs this, to me, is easily the ultimate of any choice under 100k. I can't fathom buying one new, but Omg is it untouchable below 6 figures. And that engine is a huge part of it. Touch wood, I've had zero problems with mine over the last five years but will of course ensure I keep servicing it diligently. I also am lucky enough to not need to drive it except on long trips, like it was designed for.

[@bfc09]

Same had a 650i f06 for 7 yrs previously and had zero major problems apart from the normal servicing and consumables.

[@kiickinballistics]

My 750i has been superb. I won’t change it in a hurray.

[@richardhill9261]

I have an older 635d with the M57 twin turbo engine, currently sat on 150k miles running around 400hp and honestly its my favourite car by far, power to price is unbeatable

[@openureyes]

Same hear

[@jasonz.4666]

Formerly owned a 2014 650i with a Dinan tune. Never left me stranded by the side of the road but had a repair bill of 9k to fix the 9 leaks in the system. Like it while I had it. Traded it in for a LC500 which I love

[@SunnyS3506]

Back to a reliable lexus, can’t go wrong

[@vaishc6171]

How is/was the LC500? The LC500 is in my dream car, I seriously didn’t think a car could be so perfect. Bold, classy and timeless looks, ROARING V8, everything is just amazing to me.

[@adelucas5472]

I brought a 2017 640d coupe with 54000 miles on it 2 years ago it’s now done 86000 miles and hasn’t missed a beat…… though in GB we have a lot of pot holes and the 20” wheels do not like them!! ….. it is an awesome car beautiful, muscular and luxurious and after the remapping my goddess it’s indecently fast yet still frugal just avoid potholes!!

[@JR19k]

Bought*

[@daves5988]

The loose Leather on the Centre Console Lid can be fixed with a Hair Dryer or a Heat Gun. The glue has let go a bit underneath in the heat. Carefully warm it up and rub it with a soft cloth to re-attach it and remove the slack. I did the same on my 2005 Merc and it worked beautifully.

[@jamesharris40001]

Thanks for the advice. Wish there was a video for that. Mine has gotten warped and has an elbow shaped warp to the leather

[@bjht1993]

I feel very honored to have been able to start my car life with 650i Cabriolet in Japan. V8 sound always break me into grin when I kick accelerator pedal :)

[@ToastRunnerHere]

I am in love with my F13 N63 M-Sport (fully packed with pretty much everything). I have owned it for more than 5 years now and EVERY time I hit the road - I enjoy it! It's a feeling of a pure joy I never had with any car for such long. I own 3 other BMWs (and have owned many other brands as well) but no other car has been able to raise so much love! And I agree with the design - the car is very noticeable on a road or a parking lot. I can see how people turn their heads.

[@gerardogle1732]

What year model?

[@ToastRunnerHere]

@@gerardogle1732 It's 2013 TU1. I also installed the MMI Prime by Bimmer-Tech (I really missed Apple CarPlay) and it's all good!

[@JohnSmith-nz4bn]

The 8 series is the replacement for the 6 series. The name change stems from the fact the 6 series was based on the 5 series whereas the 8 series is built on a shortened 7 series.

[@welpi1983]

Yes and no … it based on the CLAR Plattform which is used for various models from 3 Series to 7 Series, for X and Z Models. Yes it used the carbon core from the 7 Series, but no it is not something arisen from the 7 Series.

[@papa_pt]

No. Tbf that's what they want to make you think with the 8s price hike compared to the old 6

[@henryviiifake8244]

As far as I'm aware, the original 8 Series came out _way_ before the 6 Series, and was arguably the inspiration for BMW turning their even-numbered "series" cars (I.e 2 series, 4 series, X4, X6 etc) into coupes/coupe-like cars. A new 8 series would be _a new 8 series,_ *not* a replacement for the 6 series. It would need it's own platform, not be based on an existing one like the 6 series.

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@welpi1983 I thought the whole Carbon Core thing was to do with BMW's patented weight-saving system as opposed to being a platform in its own right? Or have I misunderstood your comment?

[@papa_pt]

@@henryviiifake8244 so wrong man. 6 series first came out in 1979, ended in 1989 and then the first 8 series came out.. very similarly to the switcharoo they did here. Except the original 8 series was actually related to the 7 series and had unique features such as a v12 which the 5 never offered. The modern 8 series is a successor to the preceding F 6 series in all but name. Both based on the 5 series. Except now that it's called 8 BMW hoped to spike the price by $20k over the 6 for no good reason

[@TTM507]

This channel is underrated.

[@IncidentalProject]

I drive Alpina B6 GC. Comfy and fast as hell. Love it, best car ever. Never gonna sell it.

[@frederickmackay2234]

I own a 2015 640i M pkg. x drive Canadian spec. By far the most beautiful,reliable and perfect car to drive I’ve ever owned. I’ve had ZERO problems with it in the last 4 years. I’m at the point where I’m wondering how long this dream will last. Even so, I owe it way more than it owes me. Put it down to strict maintenance and pride of ownership.

[@stephencraig9710]

Great video! Depreciation here in England is similarly mad! I bought a late 2017 640i M Sport convertible 6 months ago with 50,000 miles for circa £25K, the cost new was £73K! You are right about running costs/parts. I just replaced front brake pads and discs for around £400. If budget will stretch I think a 2015 facelift car is worth having for the upgraded tech as is M sport trim, ride is still smooth and the interiors are so much better than SE (I used to own a 420i SE so speaking from experience). I have the head up display which I would recommend, I don't have heated steering wheel, reversing camera or soft close doors - and ideally I think these are all good ones to look for on a used example. The non soft close doors do tend to slam a bit! The torque on the 640d is insane, but I opted for petrol (640i) given I have a convertible and whilst it's no V8, it still sounds very good (especially in sport mode). Would highly recommend!!

[@azer66]

Excellent cars the 640i. I have one as well. Superb machine. Do addictive and nice to drive

[@K1NKYG4M3R]

I picked up a 2013 640d Gran Coupe in March. Best car I've ever had, hands down. Only issue so far is the blower motor has stopped working, easy DIY fix.

[@Roginator007]

Hom many miles on her? Any issues?

[@K1NKYG4M3R]

@@Roginator007 113k miles on her so far, the only issue I've had (other than the blower motor) was a wire for the airbag in the driver's seat shorting against the seat frame and causing an error. Took the seat out and insulated the wire, haven't had any issues since. It was wear & tear, BMW routed the wire against the metal frame and over time it rubbed through the insulation.

[@Roginator007]

@@K1NKYG4M3R just been to look at an imola red one tonight with 60k on, I’m smitten but it doesn’t have hk sound or hud, drove so well, decisions decisions 😊

[@Arrochafit305]

I have a 2012 650i. The N63 that people say has so many problems has not given me issues. I’m at 121,000km. I love the soft touch doors and reverse camera on mine. The chocolate interior is so nice. No complaints.

[@rampantcolt]

I have a 2012 and it’s a great and fun car. I spend about $5k every 2 years on the repairs. It’s not for the cheap. Buts it’s not expensive to own.

[@skiplotker3891]

I own a 2017 640i Convertible (26,000 miles) with the M Package, and it is a magnificent car. Driving into the country club with the top down and the golf bags in the back is a fantastic ego boost. As you mentioned in the video, the design of the 6 Series Sudan & Convertible is very pleasing to the eyes and on the freeway is exhilarating, especially with the M Package activated. I service my car at the local BMW Dealer and have no maintenance issues to date. In summary, my 640i is the Ultimate Driving Machine.

[@bradanddonnamccann5212]

I got a 2013 640d gran coupe in 2016 with 17,000kms for $70k circa 35% of original price. Have had it for 6 years and nothing has gone wrong at all. I do get a service every 5-7000kms though. Saying that I have a tune on it which bumped power to 300kw and 600nm. Plenty for city driving. I love the look still and would upgrade but there is nothing of this quality for the price and looks that makes me want to change. Also love it is rare people always comment on it. Only gripe is ventilated seats work shit but heating is awesome.

[@markdance574]

I had a beautiful 640d gran coupe , black with two tone interior, tons of options , stage 1 re map - stunning car ……for a long time I was advocating that it was possibly the best bmw car ever made

[@bbbounce]

I own a F06 640i. Absolutely love it. Big, heavy car, but quite good on petrol.

[@tonydcurrawong]

I swear you guys are stalking me. I've been looking at one of these and love it. I swore off bmw but this is beautiful

[@takastewart9560]

Really good car, 640d owner. Honestly an amazing car and even cheaper to own if you are good at DIY.

[@mobgrizzles]

2012 650i cg m sport - had it for 4 months and been using it as my daily through a Wisconsin winter. This car has been even better than I could have imagined.

[@szolfy]

I bought a 2013 used 640d Gran Coupe in Frozen Metallic Bronze back in 2018 here in the UK. I love absolutely love it. It is my only car & a daily driver which accomodates 2 kids (8 & 17). I recently had to drive a 2021 M440i convertible as a courtesy car for 2 weeks, although the newer tech and Android auto was amazing, driving the car just felt lackluster and boring compared to my 6 series and very strangely, the M440i felt sluggish compared to the 640d! Below are the issues i've had with my 640d, that i can remember (I do pay monthly for an extended BMW Warranty for a bit of piece of mind, however parts of the issues below were still not covered by it): Items I've had to get repaired: 1. Glitchy passenger window 2. Degredation of a plastic gromit at the bottom of the engine bay (in front of the passenger side footwell) leading to flooding in the rear passenger footwell...like a mini swimming pool. 3. I've had the oil leak issue, mentioned by the mechanic in this video, this impacted a fair few parts. 4. Coolant flange developed a small crack (had to be fixed immediately) 5. In the last 2 weeks i have received a letter from BMW as the car has been recalled due to the EGR 6. Handbrake button, became loose and didnt work. Wear & tear/ maintenace points ive noticed 1. Beige leather cracking on the lower thigh & side bolsters of the front chairs 2. Felt inside of the cubby holes in the front doors wearing away 3. Tyres - on average I pay £260 per tyre. (Run flats) - I also upped the profile a little bit 4. Not sure if this is going to become a major problem, but in the last 2months, the car is struggling to recognise my Android phone when connecting via bluetooth. 5. Sat nav was well out of date, so many roads not on it. I recently bought an update online 6. Front seatbelts have lost their elasticity. Enjoyed the video!!! 👍🏽

[@jaimewilliamson5883]

Hey mate can you be more specific in the location of that Gromit? I’ve got flooding in my left passenger footwell and was wondering where it was coming from 🙏🏻 thank you in advance

[@peterneale746]

Have driven 2013 640d for over a year 130000 miles on clock. Best car i have ever owned. Belfast to Brussels on one tank of fuel. 50 mpg....

[@bstratford2]

Love my 650i 2007 naturally aspirated 4.8 V8. Smooth, classy, powerful just awesome...

[@registrationaccount1034]

Awesome. But completely different generation then the one profiled here.

[@bstratford2]

@@BabyJetfuel888 not yet, just the usual maintenance. I do a wash and cruise weekly with a monthly weekend away. Check out Timms BMW and repairs

[@adriangale]

I can’t believe what cars cost in Australia. I’m Australian living in the US and it’s a big reason why I still live here. Any thing sports or luxury is twice the price or more. Insane.

[@chrisczarnik3439]

Yes we get ripped off in Oz, also because Aussie dollar is more like a Russian Ruble.

[@SilverAudiophile]

Since 2017, I became the second owner of a 2012 BMW 640i coupe. I had all the fears of what if this or that went wrong, I even purchased at the time special mechanical insurance from the dealer for $3,500. I service the car yearly, and haven't had any major mechanical issues yet. I agree with everything in the review, regarding how these cars handle and feel to drive. I think the 640i has loads of power, and I really don't think it needs more power. In terms of looks, I reckon the 2-dr coupe looks way better than the 4-dr GT variant. My 640i coupe has 120,000km on the odometer and still the interior has not shown any of the wear that is in the car above under review. The exterior has held up and still looks new, but I do garage the car always. I've seen the 3 and 5 series interiors and they really underwhelm me when compared to the 6-series. The sound system as standard rocks in these cars. Another thing, I'd stick with the standard run flat Dunlops that comes with these cars. Roads here in Australia are appalling with deep pot holes. I lost count of the number of times I've driven into these holes and thought my rims are gone. Fortunately, I've changed rubber at 80,000, and recently at 118,000, and zero rim damage or cracking! My advise stick to the Dunlop Run flats, they handle extremely well and protect the alloys!

[@RikiJasmin]

I hate Runflats with a passion. They are so loud its insane and they drive like crap when it's raining.

[@jorgmuller856]

I own since 2015 a 640d as my daily drive. I had it well serviced and 200k kilometers later never any issue with it. It still has 30% of its original value today. Best value for money I ever had with such a beautiful luxury car.

[@Abu-Y-Rashid]

Bought my 640i a few months ago and I absolutely love it.

[@aworld00]

Is it a gran coupe

[@infinityeight6114]

Hello I'm a BMW 650i coupe owner. Personal experience is one of THE BEST BMWs out there. People are impressed by how the car looks. Several people have mistaken the 6 series for the new 8 series. The design comes from 2012 and is timeless the interior is one of the best looking smooth and symmetrical. However do get it with a warranty. You don't want to be out of warranty with this car, minor issues can cost you from 500-2000 minimum. I've only used the warranty on a vibration that it had they had to replace some part that came out to around 1700 total. That's the only cost. People mentioned oil problems, well so far for me no oil problems at all I know for a fact that was an issue with the models from 2015 and belwo (Mine is a 2017).

[@dukeofpearl]

I own the coupe with all the bells and whistles. A lot of my mates have owned them and regretted getting rid. Fat looking. Fast as fuck. Comfortable. Best bmw ever made in my humble opinion ✌️

[@laostiia1000]

As an owner of a 640d cab fantastic car good performance and amazing economy I would say that the only complain I can put on these are tyres you will go thru then like butter

[@DCB2018]

I have been a fan of this model 6 series, my dream combo was Deep Ocean Blue with Ivory White interior, but back in pre 2017 the BMW 6 series 650i was out of my budget, then in late 2017 along came the Kia Stinger GT, that's what I ended up purchasing, and still own it today. 😊

[@mothanajaradat2923]

F in chat

[@HarryLivestream]

I just sold mine (640d xdrive, M equipped) and really missing it so badly! I had no issues what so ever technically and got to say it had the best engine ever!! Highly recommended

[@ljones9599]

I've owned a total of 3 650i xDrives so far, as well as a 2017 M6 Coupe. I'm currently driving a 2015 650i xDrive (and a 2017 M6 Cpe). I have to say that I specifically avoided the 2012 model year because of the aforementioned engine problems. After driving a total of about 60K miles between 3 of these cars, I haven't experienced a single problem. Not one. I'm very keen on keeping them well maintained, but I'll also drive them in a spirited manner. So far, I couldn't be happier nor could they be any more durable. I'm not sure what the mechanic in this video was actually talking about, other than just avoid the 2012 model year. 2013 and later and you should be good to go. I should also point out what a HUGE bang for the buck you get with the 650i Xdrive. The cost when new were astronomical relative to other cars. MSRP was close to $115K for my current car, but I picked it up with 18K miles for $45K. It's still like brand new with about 34K miles on it now. Just another reminder that absolutely NOTHING has gone wrong with the car whatsoever. Not even a single window switch. Nothing. That's my experience, and I couldn't recommend them enough.

[@DavidBarahonaBMW]

I was thinking the same thing the mechanic has no idea what going on I don't even think he knows that an n63tu is he keeps talking about the older n63 which is problem child which everyone knows

[@112rorz]

Do you prefer the 650 or the M6?

[@DavidBarahonaBMW]

@112rorz m6 is always better option if you can afford it but the 650 is a good option nonetheless same v8 just a bit detuned and some different parts

[@danieljurkovic4036]

Great review , i have much the same car as in the review 2014 model although with the rare individual white and brown interior which really shows off the masterpiece the interior is . I am still somewhat concerned with engine issues thus stayed away from the pre TU models , mine was purchased with quite high km and after 2 years of ownership and at 195000 km so far so good not a single issue , pushed my luck and done a stage 2 tune, catless downpipes and xhp tune on the gearbox and have gone drag racing with it one time . Man the cold start with the catless downpipes is the best ,, everything else is stock , reels off low 12 sec quarters without a fuss and can pack the family in for a night out . Brilliant underrated package marred by the initial disaster of the first generation of hot vee motors .

[@steveedgar671]

There’s a million reviews on the 640/650. This is by far the most informative and humorous one I’ve seen. Many thanks

[@stuarthunter7559]

640d is the best bet. Very reliable and good mileage. Plus they can be chipped to provide amazing torque

[@K24-Zink]

could you provide the chip you recommend

[@MilosJeremic-zx9xb]

20k for full M paket 2013 640d?

[@petur7213]

Did you guys changed your timing chain? Because mine is at 230k kilometers. And i think i should change it

[@PatrickOngena]

I have owned a 650GC and a 640GC. Both great but the 640 was far more reliable and pretty much bullet proof. Just traded it in on a 840 Coupe which is incredible.

[@BakoSooner]

I had a 2015 650i coupe. Loved the car as it had more than enough power. The biggest problem was the coil packs which cost several hundred dollars for each failures. And they don't fail all at once. Also the car consumes oil which needs to be monitored. Also remember that cost of ownership is quite high. The run-flat tires are over $300 each! The positive is that this car is a head turner. People move out of the way when they see this car in their rear view mirror.

[@jamesharris2030]

I love my 2018 640i Gand Coupe, with the M Executive package and 20' wheels. It has a very heavy, solid feel, which I love. This gives me a feeling of extreme rock solid stability at speeds above 100 mph. The only issues to date, I had to replace the trunk lid seal, which was covered by the OM warranty. Braking could be a little better, but overall, to me, it's a keeper.

[@Tagren411]

Imo....this is still the nicest looking bmw design...love the 6 Grand Coupe

[@mayiermaimaiti2015]

As a recent previous owner of a bmw 650i. I've absolutely loved it! I've tuned the car to 650hp and within my first 1.5 year of it tuned i've faced these issues: Electrical (ecu freaked out once) Loss of traction on AWD Weird transfercase vibration (but never solved) I believe it was a tune related issue. When I swtiched maps it was fine. No additional cost other than 4x a year oil change (just me doing it, preventative) 1x a year full system flush (just me doing it)

[@hexagonosaurus5848]

Thats why you never get an xdrive BMW.

[@kiickinballistics]

@@hexagonosaurus5848 NO, he applied a tune and had to get the correct map. It had nothing to do with x-drive.

[@kiickinballistics]

If you tune a car, it requires some further fine tuning. You can’t blame the vibration on BMW, it was your TUNE. The solution was the map no?

[@NZCarGuy]

I owned a 2012 650i F12 Convertible for a number of years and it was among the least troublesome cars I've ever owned. Nothing other than standard maintenance for the age (radiator, water pump, brakes etc) required and by a long stretch more reliable than the much newer F15 X5 Xdrive50i we owned at the same time. I also rate the interior to be one of the best of any modern BMW, having only recently lost that crown to the BMW IX. Yes, the V8 is an oil-drinking monster but the facelift version had most of the reliability issues addressed. As far as general drivetrain and electronics mine was reliable and trouble free. The in-car tech was amazing for the time and can be modernised by a simple interface box that adds CarPlay and Android auto. It's a used car bargain!

[@Gamertrix117]

I bought a used 2012 640i convertible and it was good but I yearned for many of the options I didn’t have. In 2018 as it was being discontinued with massive discounts and previously unavailable options I bit the bullet and ordered a new one. That was a mistake, so many failures, I ticked just about every option and they just about all failed. BMW had to buy the car back from me.

[@omegapsi847]

12:28 Would have loved to know your thoughts on the technical updates of the N63, but you didnt even mention it. In fact there were 3 Updates called TU, TU2 and TU3. All of the issues you mentioned apply for sure on the very first iteration of the engine, which was arguably the worst engine BMW ever built. However the first TU (technical update) already included so many changes to adress the problems, that it was worth to change the Engine Name cause it had very few in common with its original state. TU2 and TU3, though in smaller scale, brought further improvements. It would have been nice to know if you have any experience on the TUs especially the last one.

[@marcr7200]

I have owned a 2012 640i grand coupe and loved it so much I updated to a 2018 640I grand coupe. Hands down the best car on the road for the money.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

These ReDriven reviews are always good. This is another example. The only thing that ReDriven forgot to mention is that if you can't afford to buy a new BMW, you definitely can't afford to buy a used one. Awesome car, just the same.

[@ReDriven]

^ what David said. We just chose to say it far less directly over the course of 22 minutes

[@JR-pz6wx]

@david brayshaw I disagree, I own a 2012, MSport 750Li XDrive, 2011 535i XDrive, 2007 525i, and a 91 Six Speed 850i, all bought used with the mileage as low as 31,000 and all paid for. I do all the work and maintenance on them myself so very little trips to a dealership. I have purchased others over the years new also. So stating that if someone can’t buy one new, they can’t buy one used is simply not true. If purchased used it all about the needs or want(s) of the person, and how deep their pockets are, or what they are willing to pay. I now have my eye on the new electric 7 series, and the new Alpina B7, and yes I can buy either one new.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@JR-pz6wx I don't disagree with anything that you say. As an enthusiast who doesn't mind getting their hands dirty and as someone who is able to source both the vehicle and the consumables at the "right" price, there's a bundle of fun to be had for not ridiculous amounts of cash. But for the mere mortal, all too often vehicles of this nature (not just BMW) can prove to be a financial nightmare. I had really good luck with a couple of Mercedes, the third one, not so much so, but I did at least manage to get my money back. It's horse's for courses at the end of the day.

[@seann7943]

Not necessarily true. I couldn’t afford to buy my 650i GC back in 2017 at its brand new price of $102k. But I could definitely afford to buy mine CPO at a price of 43k. It had the CPO warranty. I’ve since added a 3rd party warranty and I’m still enjoying this car over 5 years later. I could sell this car today and it would’ve literally costed me around $13-14k (depreciation) to own it over 5+ years. Most of y’all spend way more than that leasing a Honda over 3 years!

[@seann7943]

Not necessarily true. I couldn’t afford to buy my 650i GC back in 2017 at its brand new price of $102k. But I could definitely afford to buy mine CPO at a price of 43k. It had the CPO warranty. I’ve since added a 3rd party warranty and I’m still enjoying this car over 5 years later. I could sell this car today and it would’ve literally costed me around $13-14k (depreciation) to own it over 5+ years. Most of y’all spend way more than that leasing a Honda over 3 years!

[@ashleygordon3467]

I bought a 640i Gran Coupe new, an LCI. It was space grey with a gorgeous brown extended leather Individual interior. Fantastic car - beautiful, great performance, spacious and totally trouble free for the four years I had it. I traded it on an 840i Gran Coupe, which is the true successor to the 6 series. I could not fault it and still miss that interior. Find a good one and don’t hesitate to buy it.

[@SonnyVisual]

the 6 is probably one of the best looking BMWs ever. love love love this car

[@RT-ii8hb]

I had a UK spec 2016 640D MSport Convertible from new. Drove it daily as my only car for 4 years. Perfect balance of performance vs economy. Drove 45,000 miles without any issues other than a faulty wiring harness, which effected the roof operation, and had to be replaced just 7 months out of warranty, however BMW UK contributed most of the money as a goodwill gesture. During my ownership I absolutely loved the car and only got rid of the car so I could upgrade to the newly released 8 Series Convertible which I’m still driving and loving today.

[@matthewlarkin2630]

This review was such a rollercoaster, had me so pumped to go out and buy one after the exterior and interior part. But then Jim shot down all my hopes and dreams.

[@petkuscinta9797]

This is true of any High-End car not just BMW 6. For example Mercedes S class 2011-2013 $48k-$60k. These are like buying yachts. Being ok to spend on ongoing maintenance is key to enjoyment.

[@aleksandarpesic1412]

@@petkuscinta9797 high end German car yes. Lexus and Acura no worries

[@ljones9599]

@@aleksandarpesic1412 This is such a myth. I couldn't disagree more. The reliability of both Lexus and Acura are not nearly as perfect as people think. There's a reason that Honda was fined a record amount just a 3-4 years ago, TWICE, by the U.S. govt in the same year. The first record fine (higher than it's ever fined any other car company even since!) was for the company NOT reporting to the U.S. govt. (as required for ALL manufacturers) all the mechanical issues that customers where reporting to dealers while still under warranty. The second record fine they were issued in the same year was for under-reporting the number of deaths experienced in their cars. You can google both of these fines up very easily. This is just one example. If you think an Acura or Lexus is built to withstand driving at extremes on the autobahn like a German car is, think again. They were designed for driving in a country that has a top speed limit of 55mph. Japan also has a tax code that makes it very, very, VERY expensive to hold on to a car for very long at all. They designed their tax code so that people will purchase new cars much more often and make it prohibitively expensive to hang on to a car for even 5 years.

[@mjc.2875]

I just bought my 640i and drove it a few times and here's my quick review. 1. The door feels really short and it is not really spacious inside the cabin. This is just because I'm used to driving 2 door coupe. 2. The car feels REALLY heavy because IT IS. 3. If your driver seat is on right hand side, using indicators may feel uncomfortable, especially for one-handed drivers(right hand). (Now I understand why BMW owners are notorious at not using them.) 4. The rearview mirror is blocking quite a lot of windshield view. This is the biggest downside of the car for me so far. 5. It's got enough power, but does not feel like a sports car because it isn't. 6. The car is beeeeeeaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuutiful. This just cancels out all the negative sides of the car.

[@MedDev404]

I have 61000 miles on my 2015 650i - I’ve spent the majority of its life with bolt ons and a stage 2 tune running 93 octane - making 561whp - the ONLY issue I have had so far is the PCV breather hoses. The engine mounts did need replacing but that’s a wear + tear in my minds eye. The N63tu is fantastic. The pre Tu versions are apparently horrendous.

[@C3Sar092]

What do you mean by the " pre Tu" version ? Why are they horrendous? Also are the 2016-2018 BMW m6 an good?

[@MedDev404]

@@C3Sar092 so the N63 was updated at the end of 2013 for the 2014 model year. It solved a number of reliability issues and included forged internals. The M6 with the S63 is even stronger and more reliable overall.

[@michaelb4538]

Beautiful car brother. Thanks for the tip. I'm very tempted to get one of these myself.

[@Xfire1983]

@@MedDev404 I'm trying to decide between a 2014 640i xdrive and a 2015 650i xdrive. Are 2015 650's still known for insane oil consumption? Leery of anything N63 associated just from all the horror stories but then I also see some people have no issues.

[@MedDev404]

@@Xfire1983 the 640i will be very, very slow. These cars are very heavy. The N63tu really isn’t bad other than oil consumption but mine is also going to be more because I live in a hot climate, and I have catless pipes and a tune. However I’m about to install an oil cooler valve which apparently all but solves the oil burning issue

[@dariofarina5764]

Thanks for the video man! People generally don’t know what the car the six series is.. I’ve owned a 640d gc rwd for four years , bought with 23000 km, i’ve made over 100000 km in sporty way…zero problems. I’ve switched it for a M6 gc competition LCI , with 27000 km. I drive it every day, zero problems as well. Now that it is 84000 km just the exhaust is getting a little too noisy but it’s quite nice 😉

[@MobbJusticeTV]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the 8-series was the replacement or at least ‘spiritual successor’ of the 6-series coupe, convertible and gran coupe

[@gowwar491]

Absolutely

[@kevinray5636]

My 650 I was a good car. At 79k miles it started leaking oil. BMW wanted 15k to replace the leaking seals. I traded the car for an Acura MDX. It was fun while it lasted.

[@dwood1201]

Owned an MY13 650i coupe for 5 years and enjoyed every drive and frankly just enjoyed washing it and looking at it! Still by far one of the top 2 favourite cars I have owned (and I've owned alot of cars). I gave it a tune and the V8 would eat anything LS or almost anything else that I raced (torque for days) and lowered it and put on a set of aftermarket rims and some other minor bits and pieces which just finished it perfectly. Brakes are awesome, handled okay for a big, heavy car and other than the back seat which was only useful for dwarves and amputees was surprisingly practical. It's also worth noting that the doors could open surprisingly wide which is handy sometimes. They are as sexy and luxurious as hell. On the down side I replaced 2 sets of injectors (not a cheap exercise), 2 sets of coil packs, and a set of PCVs and hoses because of the 'Hot V' (turbos in the v of the engine). It also used about 1 litre of oil between services. *TIP* shop around for your parts as you will find them cheaper than you get quoted by your chosen workshop! I had no electronic issues at all and the inside and outside looked like new possible because I had the wood trim and not the piano black. Servicing costs were not ridiculous at around $400 each but find a specialist and don't go to a dealer or your local garage. Overall I would say that if you want an amazing looking and feeling car that puts a smile on your face and makes you feel like a million bucks every time you drive it and you understand that things may go wrong and repairs won't come cheap then get the car and you will thank me! P.S. the 640i is more reliable but the 650i will give you more smiles per mile!

[@chevyboa8950]

6 series still my favorite BMW. The M6GC to be specific but I’d be more than happy w a 640iGC

[@MartinJones123]

I'm a huge fan of the 6 series and M6 (Just look at my profile picture lol)... They are massively underated and look better than the SL from Mercedes (I was never a fan of their styling, except for the classic ones)... The only thing that scares me is the maintenance (especially the V8's and V10 in the E63/E64)... Great video👍 Edit: My profile pic may change

[@slashwhatever]

I stumbled across someone parking up a purple M6 convertible just last week and was just agog. Absolutely gorgeous.

[@mike619]

yup. The maintenance is insane if you’re on a budget

[@AdamWRides]

I had a 2016 640d Gran Coupe, lovely lovely car. Still miss it!

[@henrylawson430]

Prices just went up after this video!

[@FreshAirRules]

Just hilarious AND practical. Wonderful presentation! Such a talent. Nothing better than understated humor.

[@thereallotharmatthae]

Back when BMWs still looked classy

[@shadiandrew]

Owned 2015 F10 M5 with 4.4 from 14.000km till 168.000 km, only issue was exhaust flaps scratching the exhaust metal replaced under warranty, 2018 M5 4.4 from 36.000km till 109.000km no issues now i own F90 M5 4.4 2021 bought it with 9000km and i am at 57.000 with it no issues. This engine is been build for the last 16 years at least and they pretty much sorted it out from 2014+ models and also its been improved since then even more. I have about 300.000km done with this engine in various M5's and what you say its a bit extreme, overexaggerated even.

[@mr.personman7426]

Great video on a great car. I drive the M6 in the summer and can't say i've driven a better car. It's the all around luxury sport with comfort ot of this world. As the daily driver i roll with a 420d and it's on point in fuel consumption / performance. Wish more people enjoyed the f13/f06 chassis as they are rare and really estetic, going to car shows there is always a bunch of M2/M3/M4 but i'm almost always solo with the M6.

[@roadstardelta]

I have an F13 650i Coupe, 2012, with only 46k km on it. Over-serviced on oil, etc, as it was always serviced on time rather than km. Of course I have heard and read some horror stories about the engine, so I have thought about selling it. But then - I get into it, drive it, love it, and keep it! Every time.

[@TwistedDonners]

A nice looking car for sure and between it and the Golf I'm going to pick it. Had to laugh at the fun you were having with the passenger seat's adjustment button lol. Also you might need to get Hullsy a lozenge as he seemed to have a bit of a bad cough at the end of his bit lol 😆. Honestly one of the best reviews you guys have done on the channel for a while. (Not to rag on the other videos this just has a bit more pizazz too it). Congrats too guys on cracking the 88k mark guys it's a big effort on your part 👍. Brilliant video as always guys and look forward to next week's videos as per usual lol. Take it easy guys and have a good weekend.

[@horstsysselbeck]

I have a 640xd GC, and I absolutely loves it. Doing all the maintenance my self, so it is very cheap to own.

[@neilkemp9118]

When you talk about repair bills on these cars it would help immensely if you gave a range of what may be likely. Ten thousand, five thousand etc. I would be quite prepared for the odd three to five thousand bill, but may not see ten as worth while. Cheers great job

[@ashmoocow]

It's only $10k if you don't service and something goes really bad. For six cylinder: Oil Filter housing gaskets, pulleys and belts where AUD$290 in parts from FCP Euro Valve cover gasket is $230 Vanos seals like $30. Oill pan gasket is very hard at home but does not really need doing.

[@clays1507]

Best looking BMW. Always got comments when out and about. I owned a 2016 640 GC AWD and a 2008 650 Convertible. The thing had a 96000$ US new and was worth 38,000$ US at end of lease.

[@superravmanrampage]

BMW didn't really discontinue the 6, it was just rebranded as the 8 series.

[@reginaldjackson6204]

I had a 2013 650i… thank god I bought a an extended warranty. Had to replace coil packs at 25k miles. And had valve cover leaks which caused the cylinders to bore score. The engine was replaced by BMW. All in all over the 7 years I owned it. I had $40k in warranty bills from the dealership ( I know they overcharge). After the engine was replaced. It was a dream. Always kept it maintained. Sadly I just sold it. I bought a 2016 640i GC. Like to so far. Surprised by the power in thr engine

[@moijesuismoi99]

I'd take the Golf R as it'll have a new car warranty . The 650i might be a massive money pit like Jim said , too much to risk. I reckon the BMW looks better that the Golf though, I love this design.

[@JeZZGro]

Lol, golf looks like box with some red trim. This is serious car, even if i hate BMW because of quality.

[@MrInternFTL]

They aren’t even in the same conversation when it comes to buyers.

[@lexman8678]

a golf r isn't exactly reliable either

[@MartinJones123]

@@lexman8678 True, but it has a new car warranty at least...

[@supaahflyy]

C'mon mate how could you even compare the 6 series to a golf. Completely leagues apart in everything and looks too and I know that's subjective but in a comparison like this, it's basically objective

[@DavidBrown-yy2yf]

I own a 2012 650i gran coupe 4 door. Love it so much. Got some aftermaklrket work done and is getting over 500HP at the wheels. 0-100 in 4 secs flat.

[@bigword3744]

8 series is the successor

[@kelvin513]

The driver seat is amazingly comfort. I drive it in comfort mode, the power doesn’t come as quick when hitting the throttle, but when it comes it was a beast. Drive for few days in my Tokyo trip, when the Z4 wasn’t available.

[@kampferpl7759]

Only if BMW made 6GC a liftback like 4GC and Audi A7. Also the new 6GT is more like a 5GT 🤮 replacement than a new 6GC. Plz do a review on the Audi A7/S7 😁.

[@MrInternFTL]

It’s a glorified 5 series the real 6 series is the 8 series

[@kampferpl7759]

@@MrInternFTL 6 is 5 based like 4 is based on 3. For something calls 8 series its quality and material should be comparable to 7 series and a class above 6 series.

[@MrInternFTL]

@@kampferpl7759 the 8 series is based on the 5

[@markasteele1969]

Thank you, just bought one today with your help. Appreciate your content

[@Hartweizengriesspudding]

how is it going, still happy with your purchase?