Should you do a PhD?

[@kwamebuabeng3488]

Great content! This really helped me out. I happen to be in the same situation as your firend who set out to work right after college and did her PhD after. I am also looking to apply for a straight PhD without doing any masters.

[@martinliza4811]

I am actually doing what your friend did. I worked for 3.5yrs in 2 different engineering jobs and did a MS, before quitting my full time eng to pursue my PhD. I just finished my first semester and I am realizing that I hold higher standards own my work my peers. Furthermore, a lot of the things that I did learn in industry are carrying over and it definitely gives you a leg up against peers that have not had industry experience before. Specially in a field such as engineering. Great video!

[@BretMiller]

Thank you for making this video. It is the most helpful of any video that I have seen on this topic. I am currently considering a PhD in biomedical and health informatics. I already have a masters degree. I'm actually working on my second masters degree right now. I want to do the PhD for the challenge of doing it as well as the hope that my research could be used to help someone in some way.

[@peersvensson9253]

You're right that In Europe you generally do a master's first (the UK is a bit of an outlier), but at the same time a bachelor's is usually three years instead of four, mainly because they're more focused as you're barely required to take any courses not related to your major. There are actually many five year programs where you get both a bachelor's and a master's, so the undergrad vs grad school divide isn't quite the same (it comes at the PhD). In the end, the amount of coursework is probably about the same, as you do a lot of it in your first years of US grad school. Regarding the duration of the PhD, it's true that several countries enforce certain timelines, for example in France and Italy it's basically impossible to stay more than 3-3.5 years because you'll be kicked out, or at the very least lose your funding, but in Sweden it's minimum 4 years and typically 5 once teaching is included, however there is a lot of coursework too. In Germany, Austria and Switzerland it's not uncommon for people to have very long PhDs, even 6 years or more (with basically zero coursework), however it can vary a lot from institution to institution, and even individual PIs. If your PI has funding he can pay you for a long time if he wants to, the uni won't intervene.

[@sweetsa6365]

Thanks you so much for this great explanation ,now I am studying Masters degree in Bioinformatics,and my goal is to do PHD in Bioinformatics.

[@wildzubatappeared]

Thanks my 2 bioinformatics PHD friends said that if you want to research then do it but it you want just industry work then save the stress 😂. My goal is to pay off my loan Save money to get my masters degree bioinformatics Then live a simple life

[@chalee97]

But can I know for what reason to pay for a master? I doing science degree and confusing want to get a higher qualification or not (I also just want a high salary job n less stress ahahha

[@mrgenetics4063]

Yes, you are smart DONT pursue a PhD unless you LOVE research Industry could potentially pay for your masters so why save up??? if you are a good candidate then they will pay for it

[@m.r.2718]

Yeah, a PhD can be overkill if you are not REALLY into research.

[@Biomeducated]

3:43 EXACTLY why I left my former biotech company as a M.Sc with 5 years experience and went on to get a PhD (Belgium). Even though the company did allow you to climb the ladder, I imagined there was going to be a ceiling somewhere + the company was about to be taken over by big pharma, so no certainty if the social mobility would still be feasible under big pharma wings! 18:24 Correct! First M.Sc, then PhD. From what I've understood only selected uni's in US/UK and probably some other countries do this PhD right after undergrad type of thing, but then really you still get theory, right? So it's more or less an integrated M.Sc in a PhD. Typically count 4 years of PhD in Europe! 19:50 OMG so relatable!

[@Biomeducated]

Shared your video with my audience by the way!

[@HouseofEl]

This was very valuable input! I was recently covering a similar topic, as well. Thanks so much for sharing this.

[@abrarshaikh2254]

Good to see you here :)

[@ankushsawarkar4366]

Thank you very much, I am accidentally visit you channel but its very useful to me. Specially about PhD and the dedication required for it.

[@rt_bea5082]

In Europe it's Bachelor, Master then Phd if your Master's grades are good. I didn't know you can just go from Bachelor to Phd like that.

[@AmanUllah-tk6wt]

@OMGenomics Dr Natasha please make a video on "WGCNA analysis in R". May be a 5 min comprehensive video. And, if you had time, one on "Mendelian Randomization". I understand your busy routine but then again who can teach R like you do! Regards, Dr Aman

[@adele7718]

Hi Maria, Do you have any advice for someone with a molecular biology background considering a Bioinformatics PhD? What do you think are the most relevant research/development areas that will meet industry needs in the near furture? Thanks.

[@vikiluch99]

Can I apply on Phd in Bioinformatics after MS Epidemiology (Moscow University?)

[@asifsiddique4783]

Thank you so much! You answered many of questions which I never got chance to ask. ❤

[@FieldsDynamic]

Hi, nice to see you again!!!!!!

[@minhaoling3056]

Hi, I had my bachelor in mathematics and I am going to start my master's by research in biostatistics/bioinformatics. I have a question. Is a prestigious university important for a Ph.D. program? And what else can I do except (possibly opting for a publication) to build my portfolio to increase the chance of admission? (I might be at a disadvantage since I have bachelor in maths from unknown Asia university.

[@TheMirohesham]

Thanks so much for the insight ♥️

[@chalee97]

Thank you so much for this video!!! Ur sharing is helpful!!

[@josecantu8195]

Yeah, I'm thinking of doing my master's first in bioinformatics, working for a year, and then judging from my own experiences & talking to PhDs in the company I might go ahead and do the Ph.D. I wonder if I should do my Ph.D. in Europe for 3-4 years then though since it'll be faster vs in the USA for 5-7 years depending on which program I look at?

[@sakariye-abdi]

I commend both you and those that pursue and achieve a PhD Dr.Natasha! Personally, I don't think I have the drive to achieve that level of academic knowledge. Would a B.S. in Biology with a concentration in Bioinformatics be enough to be successful in industry in the USA? If things don't work out for me, then I can pursue a Masters degree which I am slightly more comfortable with.

[@mrgenetics4063]

I am American and let me tell you.... getting an undergraduate degree in Biology will limit your job opportunities very much and most of them pay extremely low wages Your safest bet is to do computer science because it can render you other opportunities if you don’t ever pursue bioinformatics anymore

[@sakariye-abdi]

Indeed! I currently have no desire to pursue another life-Science focused degree. I hope to stay with in Bioinformatics career field or transfer into Information Technology/Computer Science as I get older.

[@mrgenetics4063]

@@sakariye-abdi yes, I have a bachelors degree in biology and it was the biggest mistake of my life....I thought it would be easy to move up the ladder over time, but you immediately reach a threshold and limited to being either a cheap research slave for a PI or a cheap lab technician slave for a company You need at least a PhD if you want to make good money in biology but a CS undergrad can make big money with only a bachelors

[@mrgenetics4063]

stay away from academia ..... seriously Thankfully I found a good school with a bioinformatics masters program for industry purpose which I will try applying after I finish some programming classes I am taking at a community college

[@purplelolip0p]

Hi, thank you so much for answering most of the questions I have about a PhD in Bioinformatics. May I ask if it was a struggle for you when you first started doing a PhD in Bioinformatics with a Bachelor’s degree in Biology? My major was in Biology as well and I have worked as a research assistant (non-Bioinformatics research) for two years before deciding to save up for a Masters in Biomedical Data Science. My intention for taking the Masters first is that I am afraid I will not be able to cope with the CS aspect in the Bioinformatics PhD, thus I feel that it would be safer to learn data science and some CS through this Masters? I’m not sure if this step is necessary as going for the Masters would mean spending my savings on it. Hope to seek some advice on this from you. Thank you!

[@OMGenomics]

I think it is very doable to go straight to the PhD. I would suggest spending some time taking a python course so you are familiar with coding first. Also check out my other recent video on 5 steps for getting started in bioinformatics and see how far you can get with the first few steps like python, statistics, and some bash basics. You don't need to do a whole masters to be ready, but I definitely would recommend spending some time to learn coding and statistics on your own first. That would save a lot of time and money and still get you ready for the PhD!

[@purplelolip0p]

@@OMGenomics Thank you so much for your reply and the great advice! In cases where my grades for my Bachelor's degree is average (not as outstanding as the First Class Honors), would doing the Masters program gives me a higher chance of securing a good PhD program? Thank you!

[@mrgenetics4063]

I am a current biology research assistant and I am also saving up for a masters to go into bioinformatics masters program Thankfully, I work in a school that has a bioinformatics program so I can ask the professors what they recommend me to do Also, I would personally take some basic programming classes at your local community college with some statistics Most if not all masters programs structure their programs for people with ABSOLUTE zero knowledge of computers so.... I wouldn’t stress out as much

[@Garcia-elf]

I have two years left of mine but I don’t think I want to do a post doc since I don’t think I want to be a PI. However, I’m torn since so much in industry seems soooo boring. Worrying about sales is about as depressing as it gets.

[@Garcia-elf]

Doing research in industry is what I’d like to do

[@alhaeri1]

Great video

[@ScaricoOleoso]

Page 67 of my PhD thesis says, "French toast," in the middle of a paragraph. It was late. :)

[@szymonjakubowski3574]

Shame it wasn't 2 pages later :)

[@ak-cl2tr]

The head of research is usually a phd but the boss of the head of research is usually a masters. The only reason to do a PhD is if you really enjoy learning and the process of learning. For anything else career growth, money, people who are optimizing that function are the ones who get there.

[@rezamoosavi71]

Would you please answer this question? I am an MD with around three years of experience in wet lab immunology. Would I face a ceiling in Bioinformatics jobs if I apply for them and get experienced in industry? I have coding skills and working with single cell RNAseq data now. In other words, will my MD work like PhD in industry for me?

[@OMGenomics]

Interesting! I honestly have no idea, since I don't know anyone who's done that. Applying to jobs and seeing how they react to your background might tell you more than I can. Good luck!

[@rezamoosavi71]

@@OMGenomics your videos have had a great impact on my career up to this point; thanks for sharing them

[@kaiserkarlisle8456]

I have two chance to do PhD but iam confused should I pick computational science and engineering or bioinformatics and genetics???

[@gousiabegum2455]

what did you choose? Eager to know!

[@junitasolin5064]

Will it be incredibly draining to shift from plant sciences in bachelor to do PhD in bioinformatics/genomics ?

[@coragarrett5698]

Nice explanation

[@yarakharam5343]

Are there even industry positions for bioinfo? I live in switzerland and I've seen some but they all require massive amounts of experience and a clean CV for what? 90-110k That's not PhD level money in switzerland...

[@OMGenomics]

You may want to consider software engineering then. The pay is good and you don't need any grad school.

[@hallowstar4857]

So I'm doing the 'Computational methods in ecology and evolution' MSc at Imperial this year, having done a zoology degree. It doesn't follow the standard recipe of a bioinformatics masters but gives much of the same statistical and programming tool set, applied more generally to ecological and evolutionary data. Do you think that I could get a job in bioinformatics (industry or academia) from this or would I need a phd more tailored to molecular data?

[@human1000000]

doing a Ph.D. is a BIG decision. Think very carefully!

[@Biomeducated]

Amen!

[@mrgenetics4063]

Not for Indians and Chinese

[@helloworld2054]

Only if you are born in a Western country, doesn't apply to indians.

[@haraldurkarlsson1147]

Maria, Well stated. I have a few thoughts and suggestions on the matter. Getting a PhD is a serious decision that will affect one for the rest of their lives. The first step is to choose a good PhD program. I would say if you are are foreigner then do not attend a university in the US unless you have a stipend from the institution (or are independently wealthy). Remember a PhD does NOT guarantee a job a the end of long hard road. If your primary concern is money then you should not do PhD. Professors in the US are often poorly paid especially at state schools. Often the "worst" assignments (large intro classes for instance) are given to assistant professors who are also expected to supervise graduate students, bring in grants and publish (or perish). Check the department startup package and the institution's promotion policy. Look at the class structure within the faculty. Is there fat middle? If the associate professor group is large compared to assistant professors and full professors then there may be problem with the promotion policy. Also check the pay structure (which should be publicly available by law) for state institutions. Be careful viewing summary stats since there may be a bi-modal distributions in the associate professor class). Many institutions offer assistant professors decent starting salaries, then a minor (compared to companies) raise upon receiving tenure, but after the salaries stall or stagnate for the associate professors. Their salaries erode over time. This is explained away with term "salary compression" (if a company did that it would be in serious trouble). Some institutions have "merit" raises which are rather skimpy and the definition of what constitutes "merit" is often left up to individual department chairs. In these merit raises the teaching loads are typically ignored (even though the primary role of most state schools is to "teach"). Therefore you have two choices 1) make a big fuss 2) threaten to leave, Most faculty stay in their jobs because they love what they are doing and love the freedom they have. Hence most stay. Often there are family and/or health reasons. They have put down roots and if they have children like school system. If you have your heart set on becoming a professor you might consider this path: 1) get a PhD at a good institution 2) do a post-doc (don't do too many) 3) take a job with a company or national lab that does research 4) spend 5-10 years there. 5) apply for "special" faculty positions when they come up. Many US universities, especially when there is a turnover at the top administrate level (dean, provost or president) will have "strategic" hires. Top-level administrator need to make their mark and impress the brass. They might decide to hire high-level researchers and/or establish a new group (these days biotech, environmental, climate change, and/or data science fields are popular). At that point you can enter a department as a full professor with mostly teaching responsibilities and a low teaching load. The same holds for "chaired" positions in departments (special faculty funded by an endowment). Please note this is my personal view on the matter and I am sure others may have different experiences or opinions.

[@alfkir482]

Thank you for your video! Do you have to know your specific research interests before applying to a PhD? I’m a rising senior majoring in Computational Biology and Biochemistry. I love the bioinformatics work from sequence analysis to protein structure, but I don’t know exactly what I would want to focus on for a PhD. I though about doing a PSM in bioinformatics and then work in industry to gain more experience and see what I’m interested in. What are your thoughts on that?

[@OMGenomics]

You usually don’t need to know exactly what you want to research, since you will ultimately design your project with your advisor. I think a PhD is a more flexible place to figure out what your interests are than in industry. Industry can be a great place to learn skills, but not so much to explore your interests. If I were you, I wouldn’t do a whole masters just to work in industry for a few years, just because you’re not sure what to study in the PhD. I personally learned a lot about my interests while interviewing for PhD programs, and I found that the whole experience of visiting various schools and talking to so many professors there taught me a lot. I would suggest you do the same, apply to the PhD programs and see if you get inspired.

[@saraayoob903]

Thanks

[@AhmadNavidHazara]

youtube has ruined me. I want to see pictures and stuff while watching the video. would be cool if we see text screens.

[@subodhgaikwad3366]

Thanks !

[@trulykeanna148]

My goal is actually to get a phd in biomedical since in industry

[@NatarajanGanesan]

QUALIFIED YES = NO 😁 People with Master's degrees have gone far ahead. They have come back to do PhD and that may have helped. One should really think of you want to do PhD right out your Bachelor's or Master's. It takes out a lot of years of earning out of your life. As you may have guessed, I have been through this. Only a pure love for lab and research should get you into doing a PhD.

[@sumitkumarsingh4235]

Can we use a MacBook for Bioinformatics. Please suggest a version.

[@gousiabegum2455]

I guess it should be fine, I ordered MacBook Pro for myself and I'll be using it for programming and stuff.

[@sumitkumarsingh4235]

@@gousiabegum2455 thanks but I have recently started Data Science and ML. And my IdeaPad is doing well. But some who are working in this domain are using Gaming Laptop. So I am seeking suggestions ☺️ , actually I am bit confused 😕.

[@rixius1337]

Hi ur awesome thanks

[@yarakharam5343]

this all sounds too "unsure", I think I'm gonna go with medicine and live a comfy life.

[@OMGenomics]

medicine doesn't seem like a "comfy" life to me -- the schedules and stress seem like a lot, of course it can also be fine depending on specialty. Here in the US at least it's possible for software engineers to make as much as doctors, so I would consider software engineering to solid choice. Up to you though! I like doing software engineering type work while heavily tied into a bioinformatics research team -- it's the best of both worlds for me. I hope you find what you're looking for :)

[@rogriff]

yes; do it