Should you play BLACK DESERT ONLINE in 2024? BDO Experts Explain | Blue Reacts

[@BlueberryJamPie]

MrRapolas' BDO description sounded very much like describing a drug addiction. Which is true.

[@Sergote12]

Are you saying BDO is fuelled by the addiction of its players to the game? 😂😂

[@Xanza]

I'M NOT A DRUG ADDICT, MOM!

[@river4267]

The whole player base thing is so inaccurate. This game has no bots and its player base is split between steam and the base client. A lot of people think that the base client has more players (myself included) because most people I see and ask say they use it. So add that all together, with a player base of about 20k on steam (daily) right now and a client player base of maybe 30k. We'd be sitting at 50k players which is about the same as some of the most popular mmos to this date. AND DON'T FORGET, the other mmos are overrun with bots. So if they say they have 50k, most likely they have 40k or worse. It's crazy to think about but, when I play BDO I see actual players all the time. In games like Lost Ark, I'd be lucky to see a character that's not a bot outside of a town.

[@kizer0161]

This game might have no bots, but what it does have is AFK. About half of the player base is AFK. AFK Fishing, AFK Bartering, AFK Horse training. Literally the same concept as a bot, but the game has it built in as a system.

[@river4267]

@161 You say it like other players in games don't leave their game on 24/7 anyways... But yea you're right and it's hard to calculate. I afk at night and play during the day but if you count players that log in and out on steam for an estimate, that would be about 6k players so adding it onto client, maybe 15k a day in activity? Which again, isn't counting players who never turn their game off and still play actively during the day. Honestly, still pretty great... Like for instance, WoW is a really popular game and like half a year ago banned 100k players in 1 month, specifically in classic. Now we don't know what WoW's actual player base is but just take into consideration that how much 100k in a month actually is. EDIT: the 100k is specific to bots btw. I only mentioned it because the population of a lot of these servers are so inflated, it's a joke to look at them and be like "well I guess they're doing better" when only like 2 people show up for a world boss in lost ark on the most popular server yet has "50k active players" or osrs having all these players but many are multiclienting because the game is just that simple to do it AND they have bots. Idk, this whole population talk is such a joke.

[@jasonchiang251]

don't need to bot when afk training is a part of the game LOLW

[@tarb1320]

@@jasonchiang251 Disagree, afk and botting are to very different things, just because they are afk they still count as actual players, and everything afk in the game is far less efficient than a bot or a player actually controlling their character.

[@Xanza]

People get banned every week because of botting. This game absolutely has bots. But the dev team is quick to catch them, that's all.

[@Klaidas21]

I started a month ago im loving it and i have played so many mmos from before so it doesnt look that bad

[@contiplays]

Tbf Rapo was right, in the evening the EU servers are kinda crowded.

[@ryotakurama5901]

As a veteran of Black Desert Mobile, i recently play BDO and still have difficulties to consume all the content, but that what makes BDO so Charming, its so satisfying to learn something new.. not to mention the graphic and gameplay its like no other.. So.. if you love mmo, and you have brain and $7 to begin with.. than this game is for you.. the grinding is so satisfying and adicting enough to jeep you play..❤

[@fxbeliever123]

Black Desert Mobile doesn’t count 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@IndraDaka]

Blue's P2W explaination was peak. He went straight up "yes" but then he also explained in an amazing way of how "unworth it" it would be to do so.

[@Kevin-gf4im]

Here's the thing. All these people saying not to p2w cause it isn't worth are actually the players banking on costume p2w players to sell them outfits for their upgrade clicks. Complete morons most streamers that are just defending their game/income.

[@TalkingToPixels]

The only reason I quit was getting used to action combat with a keyboard and mouse. It's just weird to me. But I gave it another shot and started with a Guardian on a season server. Once everything clicks it's as fun as you want it to be - like every other MMO. Depends on how you want to play it. Never thought I'd get into Hunting of all things, but here I am. I've gotten one-shot twice. I knew about it before going into the game, so I took it as it's all part of the game. The first time, they even messaged me a "sorry". I didn't mind, I was impressed if anything. Didn't even see them coming.

[@redbruhcolli]

just play it with controller

[@FuudTV]

@@redbruhcolliThere’s so many UI that you can’t interact with on controller and a lot of things that you can’t fit into the mapping. I just deal with it because I like the combat on controller so much better.

[@Akeche]

30:00 Steam really doesn't mean anything for BDO, like most MMOs that come to steam. I really don't understand why they never just let existing players link their accounts, but maybe that's because they don't want actual player numbers visible. BDO definitely has far more than what that steam graph shows though.

[@vinniethefinger7781]

Your guzzlin" rant earned a new sub. I started BDO at the beginning. Took two years off and the publisher switch happened. Had too much going on, so I let that account go. Came back and the game is so much better. I still can't make any good money. Still have crappy gear. But I'm still going.

[@voldemortak]

I really dislike the p2w question requiring a yes/no answer. If you look at the current MMO landscape, you will be hard pressed to find an MMO without at least some p2w elements. WoW, Runescape and especially GW2 somehow manage to escape the stigma of being labeled as p2w when they offer the same "buy ingame currency with real cash" p2w mechanics. I guess BDO will never live their time under Kakao down.

[@CommandoMaster]

Every game is P2W unless it's strictly competitive and u can't buy in game currency. Runescape does have Iron man Mode where u can't P2W. BDO should do the same.

[@bansku455]

Not every game is p2w. Final fantasy has 0 p2w. However it does have DLCs if you consider those p2w..

[@voldemortak]

@@bansku455 This is straight up false. Level boosts/story skips are p2w, and so is their entire retainer system. You can pay extra money in your subscription for more retainers. More retainers = more storage space, more money since they bring you items you can sell on the marketboard, and most importantly, they allow you to put more items on the marketboard to sell. A normal sub has 2 retainers, you can go up to 10, with 20 marketboard slots, this means that you can go from 40 items on the marketboard to 200, and with how terrible their marketboard is, where you always have to buy the entire stack being sold (so if you need 5 irion ore and they only sell 20, you have to buy 20) you fill the 40 slots extremely quickly if you play the game in any way other than hyper casual. You can say it's less p2w than BDO, hell, less p2w than most other MMOs, but to say it has 0 p2w is just a lie. Even without straight up p2w elements, their cash shop is filled to the brim with tons of overpriced cosmetic items. Weapons, costumes, mounts, furniture, dyes, pets, fantasia pots to change your appearance, emotes, fucking OST. You name it, they have it. All of that in a game with a mandatory subscription and regular expansions you need to purchase else you are locked out of current content.

[@chobitsotaku5613]

FFXIV has level skipping and pay to progress is still p2w imo.

[@chobitsotaku5613]

Many p2w games get away with being p2w unlike BDO, because bdo is a PvP focused game. Game that focuses on PvP and has p2w will never get away with any amount of p2w.

[@firstneimm.lastneim672]

A free tent and loyalty shop needs more weight limit packages. You should be able to get at least 1600 extra LT through loyalty shop even if they make it insanely expensive. Then you can say it's not P2W. I've been playing for about 7 years total since I got the game for free by playing it during an event and the first 4 years I didn't really need a tent so my account was completely free. I happened to get ahead fine but eventually I had to get a tent and I continued to play the game and till this very day I have never bought anything else from the pearl shop. Unfortunately my main is severely lacking in LT so I will now once again be forced to use the pearl shop. GAME COST, TENT COST, LT COST

[@otakuju]

Does the questing get better? Right now starting out it feels like a menu simulator.

[@DevilinGame]

Never, it get worse.

[@tristentamatea4325]

Questing is terrible Just a means to an end but unfortunately some quests are pretty much mandatory for progression

[@ttrev007]

yes its pay to win, but it is optional, if you are PvE and just enjoy the trip you don't need to pay that much. the one thing that i think is kinda predatory is the fairy and the absolute need for the potions skill. technically you can do it for free but practically you need to pay for the chance of getting "Miraculous Cheer V" ( was super lucky and got it for free first try).

[@JamieR]

Cheer V on fairy and tent is nice to have. Pretty sure Cheer V, feather V etc were weighted during the release of it. Everyone I know and guildies got it pretty much first try, lol.

[@CommandoMaster]

"Rap looks like he's on drugs" - We're all on drugs, and the prescription is BDO.

[@anwar5792]

just me or is the vollume slightly lower than other vids on youtube?

[@Shadowtrance]

Little correction / info for you blue. There has only ever been 2 publishers (for NA/EU), first was Kakao Games (as Daum Games 2016-2021) which then rebranded to Kakao Games as we know it. Kakao had acquired/merged with Daum in 2014. Then Pearl Abyss took over publishing in 2021 for NA/EU and i believe they self publish every region now fully. :)

[@Xanza]

He wasn't wrong. The game has been owned by 3 individual entities. You yourself corroborate this, so what exactly are you trying to say here? Daum was purchased by Kakao games. Then they self published. That's 3. Count em.

[@fleyers117]

Im kinda new bdo player, 1700h , bdo has best live skill system in all GOOD Graphics MMO, Decent combat sytem, enough for 2000-3000 hours single game play, if at the end game its nothing to do without grinding ? well we will see, this game is HUGE PACKED with CONTENT to money payed imho.

[@3ureka]

34:32 was too real LOL

[@Nunar95]

1:14:50 Blue saying that the game respects your time without saying that the game respects your time

[@kizer0161]

Are you being sarcastic? If not then I highly doubt it. He knows that the game doesn't respect your time, everyone that has ever played it knows.

[@DrSwazz]

Is Black Desert Online worth playing in 20__? Stay tuned for when we ask again next week.

[@ApocalypseHistorian]

The only thing i need for consile bdo is capped, gear equalized, Arena and id play everyday grind or not

[@walpurgisnight7]

Coming back to watch this a month later and I'm laughing even harder this time. Our community will do literally anything to deny the fact that our Korean overlords do, in fact, encourage those with extra income to drop a stack for a PEN attempt.

[@YouNeedLife]

all that p2w things blue listed is on top of 2 types of battle pass

[@TheSilverwolf97]

Regarding BDO as p2w I would say that objectively it IS. But the game only has one way in which another player gearing faster than you affects you which is pvp, specifically guild pvp and that accounts for multiple people so 1 p2w player is barely even noticeable there. No one really flags people in open world anymore, you couldn't give two shits anymore if another person has a lifeskill outfit or a tent or T4 pets or whatever. In the end this made up concept of pay to convenience fits the bill better because you don't really win anything. You don't win more large scale pvp, you don't win anything real over another person in the end. I think that design works well, the margins to oppress other people with cash is subatomically small, hell, we saw recently a new player dude that sank about 3k USD and somehow got himself on a worse position than a f2p season freshmen.

[@Buzzfer]

Weight, maids value packs and tents = pay to win, the time you save is silver earned, if a non paying player grinds, he has limited weight and have to spend more time running back and forth, repairing and unloaded loot, selling trash. in that time spent on doing that a p2w can grind more. if you do more work over longer time for the same result as a paying player, than that would be p2w. selling outfits isnt worth it, but the weight, maid and tents are worth it

[@sl-fu3uh]

'never been attracted to a fighting game', is legit a bdo streamer XD

[@wiichii2620]

BDO feeling of success is so good cuz is your gambling and the dopamine is crazy

[@sphyleffay8262]

Whats the highest rank you got to in Naraka for me is Solar 2 havent made it to asura yet i live sad life

[@bluesquadronlive]

Only started solos recently! I’ll let you know as I progress. Wanted to train up first

[@sphyleffay8262]

@@bluesquadronlive we can spar tonight :D we can practice together

[@bluesquadronlive]

@@sphyleffay8262 I’m in New York for the Chinese new year parade! I will be live irl at the naraka booth, getting the up close of the Naraka float, and 1v1 ing the Bruce Lee cosplayer for sole survivor. When I get back though! Parade is Sunday!

[@sphyleffay8262]

@@bluesquadronlive I hope u have a blast man enjoy ur videos as i am new to BDO although I still miss BNS alot lol

[@apsodyeu3694]

as a new player how do you even know what a grab is, also the pvp is so fast you cant even see what happened, wow pvp is the best because you actually know what happens and think about the next move

[@TTVcringesage]

you could pay 500 dollars in naraka and still get stomped by chinese smurfs

[@reyasenpai4929]

URF ,, in mmo is somthing tera did back in the day . was awesome

[@dexfanai1906]

The problem is, they make it too hard to get end game gears..... People will play, and left before investing any time in the game.

[@Ecksplisit]

Your description of playing league with a duo is hilariously accurate.

[@LoneKuroRaifu]

Dont care about a game respecting your time? You never played PSO2 NGS

[@Chaosmech]

Jeez, this game is 10 years old? Holy crap I feel old.

[@dwalkerkidz5414]

hey, where is Chris Poli?🤣

[@Swift41]

i wont to play but all i see is people buying stuff lol i dont think i can play this with out haveing to spend more then 60 bucks... someone please tell me im wrong

[@dropout8087]

would love to play naraka with you lmao, could only imagine the call outs

[@Gwenosaur]

Blue... urf in bdo? Let us sit down with relaxing tea and talk thoroughly why that is a terribly bad but funny idea

[@waterislife9083]

relief vs genuinely happy 😂

[@spazn3905]

Would’ve loved to see Bdo Jesus evildousharm In This video or the master of guides chris poli 😂

[@saviourly3186]

you are just wrong about pets. Marmot, naughty dog. They literally are always being fullfilled and you'll get full T4s in about a week or two.

[@hawkjiang3361]

BDO urf us strikers multiple obnoxiously that you can’t play due to your screen clogging up with his clones.

[@seabass9043]

I was doing the weed (as Blue would put it) as I watched this video

[@lloydrasmussen554]

Quote of the day "Excellent Waifu's."

[@iEtthy]

why does this elly person sound like shes 50 and smoked for 40 years lol

[@littleprince8164]

28:11 LMAOO

[@pringlesdeli3559]

just started watching ur videos today for 8hrs straight while playing lol, and I'm still confused why u say sage is the main character

[@johnwaters1768]

the sage is the last living ancient which is what the initial MSQ is kinda about

[@novo919]

i leget buy more than 1 mill pearls+ and its hard to P2w in a way [not kidding ] got SS proof

[@davidbrodshaug9668]

thank nice :)

[@DigitalQuackVT]

it's a great game, how ever you should treat it as a part time job.

[@Psyzenn]

I am watching this video and I am starting to question if they know what P2W means. I am starting to question if they know meaning of the word no :D

[@imBaelfire5217]

omg mmobytes the doomer once again.. with 10hrs playtime

[@opznhondjes246]

i dont really watch this guy, but he really seems like bald asmongold

[@qaso81]

Come on blue, anybody spending 20k in a game is obviously compensating for something... but you're not wrong... lot of people are trying to compensate for something, lol

[@sweatter8213]

Pearl Abyss kinda ruined Eve Online with p2w skill injection system among other stuff, also I hate how you cant trade with other players in BDO , thats a huge turn off, the whole auction house and everything has a set price is stupid

[@OldManInternet]

The fact that there's no trading and set prices is why there isn't a bot problem, and the economy still works. Any game with free trading and markets gets demolished by bots and RMT.

[@huntressrose]

nice thank

[@Psyzenn]

Bruv if we gonna compare battle of lost ark and bdo that id just not even the same genre. Arpg vs Rpg like bruh lost ark combat system is FIRE so is bdo but in no way they can be compared. They both are great but lost ark is more fluent and it goes so SMOOTH that alone beats BDO by 100%.

[@KarmanZernickel5]

I don't do weed. rrMkayy?

[@Shadow_Dragon55]

Basically MMO byte edited some clips and self instead himself for relevancy lol.

[@Teraxis_Gaming]

blue u're not watching enough mmobytes! no way he's cutting waifus statement out of the video..

[@nellzer3060]

white shirt? more like brown shirt KEKW

[@Siigis]

im playing on steam Black desert. cos was merge. we needed to transfer bdo acc on steam... back in 2020 i think, but i merged not main acc :D

[@PATOGEN24]

ty MrBlue i delete this shit after this video

[@RodolfoDM]

The amount of Copium on the p2w from the other streamers is out of the charts.

[@ralfsdiezins1161]

Is it just me or hes wearing the same shirt?

[@Mr_Shabok]

I love the whales. They allow us to get new content for free and use our own monetary value judgement. However, BDO is 100% pay to win. You can just sell costumes and buy all your gear. I don't see how this is even debatable.

[@ming1091]

Na it is not if you spend like 3year coming back from time to time. To get the rewards 7 days given

[@evaggelospasiakos1521]

But who plays BDO on steam?

[@bansku455]

Bdo p2w. Ive spent like 12k in total over the 8 years I've played and to be honest after the first 100€ i spent on tent, pets and fairy everything else was absolutley useless and i gained basically nothing in the end because of the rng element. Sure u can spend 1k for 20b silver but to get the endgame gear you cant buy like half of it so you have to gamble to get it... Is it p2w? YES, but is it worth it? No. On average every 100€ you spend is like 4-5h of grinding so thats like 20€ an hour.

[@Kevin-gf4im]

I bet you enjoy a good p2w deal on the pearl shop to benefit from tho right? You buy the outfits for crons and they use the silver to buy pens. Regardless if you take part in p2w or not most peoples upgrades come from it direct or indirectly. It's terrible design.

[@OldManInternet]

​@Kevin-gf4im To be fair, no MMO has a good system in this regard. I haven't played ESO, so I can't say anything on that, but every other MMO either is P2W, or has little to no gear progression to spend on anyway. So it's not like BDO is exclusive in this regard.

[@redbruhcolli]

P2W, afk farming, no group content, desync, gambling, shit story, SOLO mmorpg... the only two things that are good about this game is graphics and combat, nothing else.

[@Kevin-gf4im]

This game is in an awful state. If you get to debo/fallen god enhancing wich doesnt take long you realize how they want everyone in need of cron stones for any sort of upgrade. Guess what getting crons is boring af. Wait for a p2w deal or camp the market. You could also go the unfulfilling route and grind 150+ hours and buy your upgrade. The answer to the video is NO unless you can just ovverlook everything for the combat. But even then its complete garbage in large scale fights.

[@NgsGameer]

Why you lying Blue?? "AoS looks great" 🤔 Don't worry i don't tell anyone.

[@FrostiesArmed]

I don't know why everyone is so scared of pay to win now a days... WoW is the biggest MMO out there and it's incredibly pay to win now on top of a monthly sub so i don't know why it's even brought up as a deterrent for games anymore. You have extremes like Lost Ark, but at the end of the day it's a hobby and if you enjoy then spend money on it.

[@kalfaxplays7899]

pay to win? more like pay to lose, because you can never catch up to whales xD haha save ur money, the game is easy enough without spending money on it!

[@mortenottosen4938]

laz was horrible in the quiz. bicep should have been there

[@itrow9526]

So SICK of hearing this stupid garbage about combat combos. Combo = sequence of button presses Key bind = which button you press to do your combo There us 0 excuse for the inability to bind skills in this game. THIS IS A CON, not a pro. Decent players do not put important binds in hard to reach places with modifiers added for the luls. STOP ACTING LIKE COMBO = KEYBIND.

[@themon1100]

Ain't no way bro said bdo is better than monster hunter 💀

[@titanium3]

Should you play BLACK DESERT ONLINE in 2024? No.

[@kizer0161]

Agree

[@titanium3]

@liquidlar it would be such a good game if it weren't for greedy devs, and it doesnt really feel like its "online" atleast not to me, i mean no trading with each other cone on now.

[@bansku455]

Imagine not having the mental strength to grind for 12h a day for a week to lose all the progress in 5 minutes of failing enhancing. Sounds like weakness to me 😂😂

[@Mighty_Samurai]

Just if you are not smart enough to plan your progress...

[@thomasaguiar5910]

@@bansku455well I mean every single content creator said “you can do whatever you want!” But none of them said if you care about meaningful gear progression you can grind or grief yourself. Tbh I don’t mind selling your games other systems but at least be honest.

[@summertime8525]

First

[@Frugg]

Ugh ANOTHER blue squadron video I will NOT be watching because he is a BAD person I thin king

[@indrainspace2601]

Why did you click on it?

[@jaqenp2607]

I believe its a sarcastic comment. If its not, its an extra chromie homie which is also fine

[@bluesquadronlive]

Thank you.

[@HolotheWiseWolf]

Nice Thank

[@renserugashi]

Thice Nanck