Should You Play Farseer or Totemic Resto Shaman in Season 1 of The War Within?

[@In_Dog_We_Trust]

I dont care how good people say Primordial Wave is, im not using that shit lol

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yeah, I didn't mention this in the video but I ditched it too and... I love it =)

[@SirPhilMcCrackinVonBeggington]

I think PM works well with farseer once you have a couple of ancesotrs summoned. But yea it just feels like too much set up to finally get to the pay off.

[@zerodivided3676]

Let me say it loud and clear; Primordial Wave is utter garbage in its current form. I didn't play past S1 dragonflight but as I understand it; pwave was very good in Dragonflight and people are just clinging on to it for dear life it seems. I'm at ilvl 608 and when I buff my pwave cleave with UL _and_ swiftness - it still only heals for around 260k. That's absolutely (and I mean ab-so-lute-ly) _laughable_ for a capstone talent that requires serious setup (ideally 3 x riptides, pwave, UL, maybe swiftness, healing wave ). It should at the very least heal for like 1M, or make it so that your ancenstors also cleave their healing (doesn't help Totemic). Look, just drop pwave...it's too much hassle for the garbage healing it does.

[@Imgone251]

@@zerodivided3676 100% agree, I've been using PW in some +8 keys and it just does absolutely nothing for the amount of setup that is required. Even with 2 ancestors up and unleash life active, it barely makes a dent in people's health pools. I have noticed that downpour is very strong right now, I can get around 25-30% of people's health pools up.

[@tbone8358]

It is good, when it’s good. It’s currently mediocre. It should heal more than 40% of the healing wave or something.

[@Korpzgrindr]

I play totemic, it's actually really freaking great!

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yeah, game play is so smooth and easy, it just flows!

[@alfahidi7018]

Farseer just feels better, more control for healing bursts and the shorter healing rain is a boon because of downpour. Plus for the amount of healing, the mana efficiency wins it for me. Also, I feel the tier set better synergizes with Farseer.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

All agreed although I don't seem to be able to squeeze a lot of value out of Downpour. May be it's the PUGs but in any case, not many better talents to pick from anyway so..

[@bogguslife]

@@thelegendbehindthecowregardless of the healing amount, it’s 10% maximum hp temporarily. Extremely strong for big potentially lethal aoes

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@bogguslife True but that's only relevant if you run very high keys. Not much value for regular weekly keys as nothing is going to be even close to one-shotting you there

[@bogguslife]

@@thelegendbehindthecow I mean running low keys you could run anything and do it so who cares.

[@Ikbenpro]

Not sure on which video to react but thanks for all the work :)

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Cheers mate, thank you very much for the kind words! Enjoy the rsham journey :)

[@borgirlol]

I was all the time farseer user, good mana sustain , love riptide gameplay (with chain heals and no primordial wave) , but once everyone drops to half HP its over to get them fast back. I switched to totemic which i didnt like, but its just more easy to pop everyone fast up.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Interesting take! I feel exactly the same but with Totemic and Farseer switched. If I time my stuff correctly with the ancestors, I'm breezing but with totemic, falling behind and having no HST available to press feels really bad. May be I should give it another spin to see if I can pull it off in a different way now that we played for a few days :)

[@daxuo]

Ive played resto shaman for over 12 years now and I'm sticking to farseer in raids and m+ because it feels best to me, same playstyle thst resto always had pretty much. Also fuck primordial wave, ain't running that shit even if people say it's good

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Amen man, I see so many comments like this one. Hopefully they bury pwave as deep as they can and never bring it back :) Interested to see how Farseer does in raid, I've only played Totemic there but may be I should try it and see how it goes.

[@quangduyho]

whats that weakaura for your cool mouse cursor? edit: its called ultimate mouse cursor

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

It is indeed. The other one is a spell tracker that you can get from the Discord in the description :)

[@ShampooRs]

first season trying pve properly after pvping, got used to farseer from pvp and finding it difficult to switch to totemic. Healing 9/10s completely fine as farseer. Just hoping i don't hit a brickwall because i'm not playing totemic like most

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

I think you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Farseer is definitely carrying its weight and no matter what happens, you will be able to push relatively high keys on both hero talent specs. Brickwalls only exist in extremely high keys if you are pushing for title - everything else, just play w/e you are comfy with and you can make work and you'll be fine.

[@TheOlddr]

You can queue for follwer dungeon, and there will always be a NPC mage in party and sum the table, you can grab 80 breads and quit the dungeon. Boom! then you have 80 mage breads until you log off.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yep, that's a pretty good tip as long as you don't forget to do it :D

[@diegoamabile4072]

I learn the farseer primordial wave playstyle on shadowlands, to me its natural go strait for this build.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Oh for sure mate, if you are enjoyer of that type of a build, you will thrive with the farseer hero talents. How does it feel for you though? PW just seems to be a lot weaker now. I was fine with it in DF but now it feels like I'm healing my teammates with thin air for some reason :(

[@diegoamabile4072]

@@thelegendbehindthecow doing very fine on +7 runs. I believe will be fine on +8 to and maybe will be hard on +9. Im with 605 ilvl without any piece of tierset.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@diegoamabile4072 Noise! It will quickly start to get much better as we get more gear and tier. And surely, there's more nerfs coming on the way for dungeons too!

[@diegoamabile4072]

@@thelegendbehindthecow yeah, but im enjoying this bit hard content. I see on video u are using unleash to get a ancestor right on the opening of a fight. I prefer much more ondulation because most of the dmg on fights happens in midle of it, so ondulation grants a ancertor right when things got worse and most of the time party dont have cc s up.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@diegoamabile4072 I see your point but with UL the ancestor is always up - at the start of the pull, in the middle, at the end, always. I can stagger the second one if I wanna keep it for a certain moment but other than that I always have one up :)

[@chemdaddy602]

Do you have a link/guide to your Weakauras?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yep, grab them from the Discord in the description :)

[@jackfish]

Great video! Sorry to ask an unrelated question but can you tell me what the boss cooldown bar is on the right side of your UI? Add on or weakaura? Tia!

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Cheers mate! It is a WeakAura indeed that works on top of either DBM or BigWigs timers. Pretty sure I have it listed in the Discord from the description so feel free to grab it from there :)

[@damari1980]

The weak aura is called ability timeline

[@TheJukeboxzero]

Instant healing rain and totems casting chain heals - totemic for me

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yeah, that's pretty pog and it feels so damn nice, isn't it :)

[@mrr.dovahkiin1531]

What is that w/a / addon that shows enemy abilities comin in on the right side? Thanks in advance

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

It's a WA called something like Ability Timeline. Grab it from the Discord in the description :)

[@codycurtin2295]

I love farseer riptide lmao. It was so hard at first but chain heal was too boring and i just didnt jive with undulation. Now im blasting 300k dps and keeping the whole group alive by pumping out grandmas and grandpas like hot potatoes

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Grandpas FTW :) And yeah, if that playstyle fits you, you are in heaven!

[@Waevform]

I wish I could do more damage as farseer. If anybody in my group goes below full health I have to immediately change focus top them up or I risk me lava bursting while they go from 70-0 in 1 hit. Meanwhile on totemic I just drop a totem and keep DPSing. Some pulls just feel bad if someone gets targeted by 2 spells in a row so I’m always on high alert instead of being able to maximize ancestor damage.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@Waevform I guess it's fair to say it's easier to dps as totemic as acid rain is always down but switching to maintenance healing mode is a thing in every group no matter what you are playing

[@Nightingale2204]

Fuck Primordial Wave. All my homies are team totemic.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

You know, I AGAIN have hopes now that everyone is ditching it that may be, just may be they will get rid off it in that extra changes that they promised. I'll be disappointed again at the end probably :(

[@Slushybear405]

Hey great video! Would you be able to share the lust WA that pops up at the start of bosses?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Thanks! And sure, grab it from the Discord in the description :)

[@Sonarkilla27]

I just started to play totemic cause I saw the top rated guy using it. But I'm having a huge mana issue on totemic compared to farseer. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Nothing wrong looking at top players but remember they play different game from the one that we play! If you can make Farseer work, just stick with it. For totemic, trick is not to rely on hardcasting Chain Heals but instead let the totems do the hard work

[@Kwispy]

I just can’t get into totemic. It’s not a skill issue I just don’t like it. Farseer chain heal build is just amazing

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Luckily you can play both so don't worry about it and just stick with Farseer :)

[@nalaya_shepard]

Im even more crazy and go farseer without chainheal. NO mana problems EVER. maybe i will try it again with 4set bonus

[@Kwispy]

@@nalaya_shepard haha I’m not skilled enough for that. But I will say playing farseer feels 10 times better then totemic

[@nalaya_shepard]

@@Kwispy i feel not skilled either, i just played farseer from the start so it naturally feels less hectic for me although you need to press more buttons, sounds weird i know >_>

[@Kwispy]

@@nalaya_shepard no I agree. With totemic I just feel like a shit through mana because I’m over pressing buttons cause I’m used to farseer

[@nalaya_shepard]

Hey, just came here bc every guides suggests totemic but i play farseer all the time and although you need to click more it just feels way more easier for me... and the manaprobs are lesser too D= what am i doing wrong in totemic xD please help! or should i stay with farseer

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Oh, if you can make farseer work, stick with it! It's what I do, they are quite comparable. As for totemic, the key is to rely on your totems to do the aoe healing and you don't end up hard casting CH but it is tricky indeed.

[@nalaya_shepard]

@@thelegendbehindthecow But do I "waste" a healing surge charge when i need a CH although it is still up?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@nalaya_shepard If you can cast surge or wave instead of chain heal then definitely do that. In heavy aoe you only need to do enough healing so people don't drop below 0. If they survive at like 10-20% percent, you can top them off with healing waves and surges after that. So learning damage profiles of fights will help you to manage this better so you are not mindlessly spamming Chain Heal

[@nalaya_shepard]

@@thelegendbehindthecow Yeah well, in heavy aoe i use my CDs anyway and out of that I keep hard casting single target heals even in totemic, so in farseer at least i have 1-2 buddies double casting it. and if i really need chainheal i can pop a HST or HR and they will cast a chainheal too. onyl downside is they do not use buffed CH as it seems. And the only benefit I currently see in totemic is the movable HR

[@toddlester8063]

What spell(s) do you use with you Nature's Swiftness on Farseer? Healing Rain mostly?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yeah, HR is great choice at the start of pulls or when you get NS back but there's not much to heal. However, sometimes I will save and stagger it for a few seconds if heavy AOE is coming and send it with a Chain Heal instead when that happens. I also caught myself NS+Surge the tank in some panic moments when they suddenly drop low but those are more rare.

[@StraiyEU]

i just like farseer alot more...

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Fair enough! You are in a big camp :)

[@brentwaits954]

Idk man I just pugd +10 gb with a 613 item lvl and timed it with totemic. It wasn't easy but I don't think farseer would of been any better

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

You can definitely make both work so at the end of the day - pick the one that feels good for you :)

[@ImAnOcean]

really dont understand why we most ppl dont play unleash with totemic. you can unleash healing stream and the free chain heal will be even better or you can use it with hs to give 2 targets a fat single heal on demand

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

That's a good bit but at the end I think most people would play totemic for the simplification of the spec. If that's the case, you don't want an extra button to complicate the gameplay. You are also stuck casting a lot of surges/waves after you drop your totems so undulation brings a lot of value there but you can totally pull it off with UL as well

[@ImAnOcean]

@@thelegendbehindthecow thanks for the answer! i was just confused as to why every guide says to not use it with totemic but noone gave an explanation.

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@ImAnOcean Yeah, UL is primarily used in raid and supposedly you get more value from Undulation in M+ with least button bloat as well. It's just that the Farseer hero talents get huge benefit from it now in order to summon an ancestor and have it up 100% of the time so people started using it in M+ with that particular build :)

[@ImAnOcean]

@@thelegendbehindthecow yeah i get that it is really strong with farseer but i feel like it is really versatile with totemic as well but st healing hasn't really been an issue so far so maybe with +10 m+ keys i will change my opinion^^ update: i was missing 4set. getting 54% crit on hs + going higher keys it is starting to make way more sense

[@jllee4279]

What’s the bar that shows upcoming mechanics or spells from the npcs?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

It's a WA that works on top of either DBM or BigWigs timers. Check the Discord in the description if you wanna grab it :)

[@jllee4279]

@@thelegendbehindthecow Thank you!!

[@Ethan-wu4re]

My only issue with resto shaman coming from someone who ONLY played resto druid is the mana issue, omg i ran out of mana in a blink of an eye .

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Unfortunately mana is and has been big issue for shamans basically forever. Kind of unfair as other healer classes do not use mana at all but it is what it is. Little practice and better gear + tier set is going to make wonders for mana

[@Ethan-wu4re]

@@thelegendbehindthecow I have tier set the 8% mana saving isn’t noticeable but on my druid i rarely ever need to take mana breaks i wanted to switch to shaman cause healing on druid this patch is hell

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@Ethan-wu4re Yeah, I play all the healers and I don't even have water in some of my alts as I never have to sit down and drink... Gear helps a bit but you'll always have to watch your mana bar, drink between pulls and care what you're casting. It's been like this for awhile now

[@Kwispy]

Learn farseer then. I have zero issues with mana

[@Sivart.]

Surging totem is like 9%mana, keep that in mind, and try to casst chain heal only when high tide is up, as a guide. That will help but it's still huge mana problems​@Ethan-wu4re

[@linusnero4427]

What do u take instead of pwave?

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

There's option. I'm trying to make Downpour work but that doesn't seem to bring much value in M+. Improved Healing Tide Totem is always good. Torrent rocks. Chain Heal talents are more than welcome. You can even pick Mana Tide if you are struggling for mana. Check my full resto shaman guide on the channel, there's a section there where I talk specifically for talents and options that you have :)

[@fredjiii6835]

if you dont take pm take Earthen Harmony

[@Kwispy]

@@fredjiii6835really?? Imma try that

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@fredjiii6835 You should have Earthen Harmony in every M+ build, no matter what hero talents you are using :)

[@jaceks88]

Yeet!!!!

[@Duck4Evers]

When you say higher keys what lvl do you switch to farseer

[@myersmayhem2023]

Ive now healed a few 8s as totemic I think it feels better honestly

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Honestly, try it and see what works better for you. It's not like you can't make Totemic work, it's just Farseer started feeling better to me. And if you want particular level - it's more dungeon related. For example, I had trouble healing Surgeon Stichflesh at +7 as Totemic and it felt much easier to do at +8 as Farseer. In Mists it doesn't matter at all and so on. At the end of the day though it's not like you MUST switch, it's rather only switch if and when you feel like it.

[@Duck4Evers]

Yeah I gotta say, I did two SOB 4's back to back in pugs and the first one felt like I was in a dumpster fire and the very next one felt like it was a heroic. Both totemic. I'm gonna test out farseer for sure but right now totemic seems super breezy. . AGAIN, AWESOME UPLOADS!!! TY

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

@@Duck4Evers Yeah, Totemic is very smooth and easy flowing, there's no denying that. Just keep in mind that pugs are very dicey right now so whatever you are trying and testing - don't jump into conclusions after just 1 or 2 runs because it's totally possible that you ran into some headless monkeys with no enchants who didn't know a single mechanic in the dungeon :)

[@Duck4Evers]

😂😂😂

[@MoodOnTele]

How much shit is on the UI holy hell

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

A lot!

[@tbone8358]

Totemic is the preferred play style for the top Resto shamans in M+ In case anyone cares.

[@Voltagio57]

Hard disagree. Totemic can easily hit 600k dps on trash while doing 600k passive from rain and HS totem. Totemic can burst to 1.5-1.7mill hp/s

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

If we are talking DPS, have you tried the same as Farseer? I think you can push and burst more DPS with it but as said in the video - if you can make something work, then go for it :)

[@bertsvello]

I can't really play around Totemic, I'm DONE with mana management (DF took all my will power to deal with mana). With Totemic I can easily fill up CBT with 3M+ while with Farseer I can only get around 1M (which makes CBT not really useful for my play style). Not only that, with Farseer, the UL plus HR (macroed with AS) combo is really mana friendly, since I can have at least 2 Ancestors per pull. Besides not having any mana issues with Farseer, I've been able to ditch PW as well, WHICH IS THE REAL GOAT

[@thelegendbehindthecow]

Yep, I ditched Pwave too for now and it's niiiiiiiiiiice :) I also ended up using HST with Farseer which is not optimal but it does the trick for now. Will eventually switch back to CBT but sub-10 keys should be fine with either.

[@dasilva9191]

once you get the hang of totemic the mana management is really that bad