Should You Practice MISSING?

[@hard2hurt]

Go check out Icebreakers at hard2hurt.teachable.com/

[@TUPA1334]

Heard he only used THE BEST uke's in his instructionals!

[@Niborino9409]

Yo, are there going to be more courses on there? 😃💪

[@stanwerbrouck8123]

Sup Mike, after about 2 years of not training, my chess club asked if I wanted to do a chessboxing match. Now, I wasnt gonna pass but I couldn't get to a boxing club to train. I never stopped watching this channel, and I believe it helped me beat up the nerd chess player that was 60+ pounds heavier than me.

[@hard2hurt]

hard2hurt is the ultimate convergence point of nerdiness and badassedness, so this makes sense

[@SuperOtter13]

😂

[@malkomalkavian]

This is the real story of victory that we need

[@DesCoutinho]

This would feel less decadent to me if they taught boxers how to chess. At the end of each round they had a three minutes blitz game. Three rounds. But maybe it's returning to chess roots

What’s your rating?

[@shawnangie1]

Nobody's better at missing than me. I'm the champ!

[@jackgrimble9418]

This stuff, all of it, works in fencing. HEMA. Duelist historical swordy fighty stuff. Just wanted to put it out there. The stuff you teach works in medieval armor and with swords (or axes or hammers). It's fucking awesome. That's why I do these "Thanks".

[@hard2hurt]

Large sections of what we need to know about fighting seem to apply across all types of fighting... from boxing to weapons to tanks. I guess certain principles of art hold true regardless of the medium.

[@bakionigeri6414]

That's good stuff! The solid combat fundamentals 💯💪🏾 across all combat-pkstforms

[@getwhatyougive]

Are fencers taught takedown defense or what happens if you lose your rapier? Also, Bruce Lee taught fencing footwork. I love how all of this stuff crosses over.

[@jackgrimble9418]

@@getwhatyougive Oh good question and yes, they do, in historical at least. Not only with rapier, but in longsword even more so. As far as losing the blade, there are instances where you want to close the distance and actually get into a grapple if you've lost the sword. Heck, there are even techniques that teach you to drop your sword on purpose if you are in a bind and just go for a takedown. It's awesome.

[@Swordsman_HEMMA]

@@getwhatyougive If they're doing HEMA at a decent school, yes. Grappling is a part of swordfighting.

[@samthemememan7399]

Icy Mike giving out the good dating advice

[@hard2hurt]

I'm very wise.

[@Koroeatspotates]

​@@hard2hurtbtw thank you your advice has turned me into a decent boxer at my gym i actually have footwork thx

[@Ninjacob00]

Agreed, my coach always said “in a fight 3 things are guaranteed: you will get hit, you will miss, and you will get tired, so I suggest you work on those things” Also to counter your shadowboxing video I think shadowboxing is perfect for this lesson because you can literally practice missing

[@hard2hurt]

Your coach sounds smart. And you've countered nothing.

[@G36-999]

great coach advice

[@vanoscrap-nb1go]

@@hard2hurt you could say he practiced missing a counter

[@ocean4171]

@@vanoscrap-nb1go Good one

[@wynsonrao5177]

Ever since I fell in love with long guard tactics and creating traffic, I naturally discovered that simply jabbing and touching my sparring partner's gloves, forearms, and extended arms gives me so much control over the pace and results in me rarely getting hit clean. At long range it is so easy to enter into punch range just by meeting my partner's lead hand with my own and timing a slight deflection + step in to whatever combo I want to throw Edit: So I don't consider any of this "missing"; we're often taught that striking success comes from sticking our opponent in place to be hit, and these minute controls are the bread and butter of that philosophy

[@ryanbradley5192]

I've been training martial arts for decades. We practice distance management, but it is never so clearly labeled. This was a great video.

[@jackgrimble9418]

A POEM! ahem... I see Mike, I click like. He will teach me how to strike He might teach me how to miss Or to make a proper fist Icy Mike, coolest cat! Teaches bits of this and that You will get your whiles worth If you follow Hard2Hurt Learn to roll and learn to grip hook and kick and jab and slip If a shadow you should fight VISUALIZE! - you’ll be alright Mike can even teach a class Like a game of DnD With a dash of verbal sas And a pinch of lunacy That is why this Mike - I LIKE! While other fighters sure are great, I think I’ll stick to Hard2Hurt So like, subscribe and don’t be late.

[@hard2hurt]

Well now this was fun

[@miguelladinodevera614]

​@@hard2hurtMr. IcyMike, it might be a good idea to have this pinned in your gym. Just a suggestion from someone who discovered u from Stephen Thompson's channel.

[@Jenjak]

Once my coach told me "Stop trying to hit me and hit me" , His name was Morpheus, great guy, great coach.

[@guillaume4519]

Great coach, but I failed the long jump

[@loganthenakmuay5473]

I used to practice alone when i began and quickly noticed that just drilling punches and kicks on the bag did nothing , i needed to practice the way to enter the range , how to sneak the hits in , this video comforts me in my way of training , Thanks Mike !

[@WakeUpUniverse66]

Yes. Do this on the Heavy bag. Swing full force with your weight in it at the bag but stand a few inches behind your reach so you miss and stumble forward. After you stumble try and recover and immediately hit the bag.

[@mitchperry9003]

My former striking coach used to really train us to miss and adjust..good to see this echoes his sentiment

[@saturnine41]

This video reminds me a lot of a topic that Cory Sandhagen talked about when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast, with his grievances on how striking is taught and understood generally. The overfocus on tricky things or specific combos that will seldom if ever work against a resisting person. When in reality your strikes need to address matters of space, positioning, etc. Things that are more conceptual, harder to explain, and harder for someone inexperienced to grasp.

[@closeredge5198]

I 100 percent agree with this,in Thailand pad holders make you miss at times, and this is the same principle. I even split my defensive practice into block/ evade / catch counter. I think combinations should focus on landing the later strikes

[@peterkennelly333]

Great video as always! As a sporty bouncy karate boy transitioning into muay thai, I've often thought about distance when throwing combos. Also what's interesting is how a lot of sport karate combos will only have 2 or 3 techniques max, and will usually factor in how opponents move, like how blitzes work best when opponents react by moving backwards.

[@rylewmma553]

This is why I keep coming back, Icy.

[@joshuahall1656]

I'm so glad you made a video on this. I make all my students drill missing, recovery, and closing the gap. I've trained fighters from other gyms, and a lot say that they never drilled missing. One of those fighters missed a lead, inside calf kick and had his back to his opponent, and instinctively blasted a back kick to the solar plex. "Didn't end the fight, but took a lot of steam out of his opponent." My student said if I hadn't drilled him on that he would've had his back taken, and his opponent was a dang good wrestler.

[@josemucarselsacoto5122]

I call that combo Ernesto. In honor of mr perfect. I teach it and drill it very often. Furthermore I tell my trainees to dance around using footwork and various types of defense i.e. block parry slip roll I even coined a rhyme for it " Bailando como si estuvieramos peleando" Keep up the great work coach 🎉

[@anftrew3775]

I love this. I remember drilling and drilling these types of combos. And I remember asking my instructor, but if they're at the best range of this kick, aren't they out of range of this punch? Then I'd get laughed at and some mumbled remark about adapting or something.

[@CoachSteveJandS]

"landing a punch to the face is a bit like falling in love...." Lol 😂🥊

[@liamdoes8580]

"when you stop looking it'll happen" is surprisingly profound for an icy mike video too 😂

[@todretex]

I try to only pick fights with people way smaller than me or kids. It helps with reach. They can stand back a few feet but it doesn't really help them much. They give you their lunch money pretty quickly and it is all over.

[@DesCoutinho]

And you can also take on multiple opponents successfully no bs make belief self defence techniques. But you try put out a system that is actually proven to work and I bet they won't let you monetize on KZbin

[@JKBEAST]

great video. currenty i dont have a coach or a partner, so I mostly self train on heavy bag. most of the times when I practiced combinations, I made sure to start a little out of range, was always doubtful if it actually made sense. From my experience and perspective it did but i rarely saw any coach or fighter foucsing on this. Now, I got the answer.

[@YouControlYou]

Yes, we do drills like this often. Thank you for the such dope content!!

[@mariusreinecker1556]

Hey mike, bought your front kick course, it's great! Fully recommend.

[@hard2hurt]

Thank you sir. Make em miss, make em piss!

[@davidlouis1068]

Great points. I have been VERY lucky that all my instructors have taught in this manner. Basically, a 360 approach to bag training and techniques. 🤲

[@markzuckerberg3128]

Gold advice right there. I keep this in mind when I train on the heavy bag, Mike.

[@AlexanderMoen]

Great video. I'm new to Muay Thai and although my gym has a bunch of amateur local champs, we still mostly just train combos then spare. As a new person, it's virtually impossible to do anything with the combos we just learned. This video was a great explanation of space and to not always worry about landing. Part of my focus has been to read their attacks and find openings, but will be moving towards not necessarily waiting for an opening to land immediately

[@StealthScouts]

This was actually very enlightening! Love this channel, keep it up mike

[@spikesmartialarts]

Loved the seminar in Dacula, GA Mike! I love that you teach concepts instead of scripted combos. I actually put this concept into my training and teachings more, and it proved to be a success. Thank you for the great content! -A karate guy lol

[@dandudemanbro]

Nice realistic bagwork. That's how I work the bag too 💪👊 I even throw in some defensive blocks, slips, pulls, checks etc.. Simulating the opponent throwing strikes back at me. It's annoying when beginners think you have to land every single strike on the bag and with as much power as you can!

[@gageabdul]

It's serendipitous that this video popped up in my subscription feed 😁 Discovered this accidentally while sparring 3 weeks ago and have been using it ever since. Much appreciated, Icymike!

[@9095]

Love these videos. Always dropping knowledge 👌

[@TheWillToFight]

Brilliant video some very good key points to take away I really hope people are taking note

[@XXNerdzillaXX]

It seems to me that a term from air to air dogfighting fits in this scenario. It's called the MAR, or Minumum Abort Range. Once you cross that invisible line, you can no longer turn and run to get out of a weapons envelope. That same concept works here. In martial arts we always called it getting into the blender. I've also heard it called the pocket.

[@benjaminpujols1914]

You obviously know what you're talking about and what you're doing but I got to say for whatever it's worth what you're saying and what you're doing is honestly in my eyes and incredibly great idea and it really does work

[@ZolPsyko]

As a shorter guy, my coach had my practice this pretty early on (he's also short). Once i stopped trying to hit with every strike i threw, I found more success.

[@XpenguliGems]

this is insanely cool knowledge, this will help me in self taught learning, big thanks mike!🥺💙

[@-007-Warzone-MW3-MW2]

Always appreciated your concepts thanks man

[@xero4190]

i wish there was coaches like you because ive been boxing 3 years i didnt get amature bout and i trainboxing like my life is boxing sometimes i see improvements and sometimes i lose my skill because what um i doing boxing for anymore

[@EugeneTChu]

Good video! Live training is the best training. Most targets on body will not be in range and people usually fight back. You are right that coaches should teach entry tactics for ranges and that initial strikes in combination may miss.

[@theinnerg6196]

Exactly why he is one the best channel on KZbin

[@adukill]

Awesome approach mike. tarin as close to what a fight would look like. thanks.

[@Niborino9409]

This is one thing I am missing. "Pretend that the bag is an opponent" isn't enough information. I thought I had to stand and punch n kick like Mike showed how his students want to do 🤣 Which is why there's a disconnect to when I actually have to move with an actual person lol

[@eliaspohl5741]

interesting, I have one kinda random critiq. idk why everyone does this, but stop dropping your guard mid kicking, it's a natural thing we do but it's so dumb. once you get used to kicking well while still having your guard up, youll be much safer (imo). Also I love your vids, keep up the good work.

[@stevenramirez9957]

Yea on the bag awhile ago I started practicing missing, and going from a distance. I always thought that it didn’t make sense teaching just landing. And it’ll make people also understand the power of feints

[@devindodge8648]

So glad to see more H2H. Great video mate.

[@zeekmotion3622]

Thanks! Someone had to say it. This content is gold!

[@washington9816]

Thanks Sensei .You can go even futher by defending the same sequence while you go back to start position .

[@brucem8448]

Perception is the core of striking. Train your eyes. Hit when you can. Don't when you can't. Flashlights work well for this reason.

[@StrangerThing369]

The day just got better the second I seen the Hard2Hurt upload!

[@georgearonis1048]

Great concept. Thanks coach

[@BMO_Creative]

Yessir! LOL I'm tellin ya, I learned this the hard way... i was "headhunting" as a kid and the guy I was chasin hit me in the liver... dude! Now that's my fav target! LOL

[@Pwasercan]

wow! Awesome! Firs time I see anyone mentioning this! I've been tryint to train like this for years, because it's so obvious to me, but everyone just trains like 1 step away maximum. Hope you will enlighten the community with this gem 💎These are the things people only realize when they train alone for some time, without following the sheep mentality instilled by all gyms, where it seems more like a gym workout than learning to fight

[@TheShepherdFilms]

dude this is a great philosophy episode...good times. Sometimes you need to get into the headspace, the psychology, the philosophy, the mindset. and you did.

[@pyroseed13]

My friends and I were talking about this once when we were watching UFC recently. I can't remember the fight but someone landed a perfect 1-2-3 to finish the guy, and we were talking about we've almost never seen all three punches land like that in sequence, although we spend a lot of time at the gym practicing it lol

[@mikieemiike3979]

That's funny. I always do this without realizing it. But you're right it's like combining shadow boxing with bag and pad work. It's more realistic.

[@gw1357]

This is a good follow up to your video a while ago on initiative and being first.

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

Before watching the video, i have "practiced" missing. Not all the time, but once in a while ill think of it. Sometimes i do miss the bag and lose balance. Its necessary. I started doing after a previous video where mike said combat sports athletes dont spend enough time punching the air, and traditional MAs spend too much time.

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Being tall, I naturally adapted to jabbing on the outside to use my reach advantage when boxing. As for the heavy bag, it's still fun to move inside and do a peekaboo/Mike Tyson impression, but generally, I'm moving outside of measure to approach at different angles; practicing jabbing moving into range, maybe a brief combo inside (often mixing in hooks as greener partners tend to raise their guards to meet my jabs) then jabs moving out of range (preferably at a different angle than I entered). And, yes, all that moving is tiring 😂

[@caravaneerkhed]

I’ve got a wobble bag and sometimes if I’m throwing combinations my hooks can whiff and getting used to throwing a real hook and it not connecting is definitely a jarring experience at first

[@Sigrt]

I've practised missing, and it definitely works. Because I can miss during sparring, and even competitions as well.

[@BradYaeger]

I learned a hard and painful lesson that I pass on . My last instructor would move the focus mitts every so often and the first time I totally over extended my elbow because I was loading up full force every time knowing there'd be something to hit . And I was off balance after .

[@cherryb0ng]

A beautiful lesson I must say.

[@BR00P]

Jab not gonna land is crazy mike, it might be because I have really long arms but jabs are the punches i land most

[@Risha-rend]

I never been in a fight in my life, i signed up for a mma class, never in my life would i image a grown man just laying on me would leave me defenseless. Scary feeling

[@Greg.Mika.]

Closing the distance is the ultimate challenge... thx for the tip!

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

I love spar with Head Hunters they gets tired soo easily remember a fight is also a battle of stamina.

[@Cmaxb9]

What a great way to say get the fundamentals down, they are important!

[@distopicdream]

Your lessons are very very interesting.

[@_Crunch]

What a beautiful killer. Shes okay too.

[@corbyrobinson3640]

The one I always got was, jab, cross, hook, uppercut.

[@ReeseRozum-sm1zs]

Wow! I never thought of it that way

[@seanvalentinus]

Dang, good point.

[@of_Senjo]

FINALLY!! I've been waiting for my favourite bald guy to make more content like this! (Don't worry Icy Mike... I'm bald too) Looking forward to your next one! 🙏🙏

[@sethhood3492]

Good shit as always

[@mariaceciliacc]

This is so useful thank you

[@ryandoyle4344]

While crossing the distance, is it more of a jab or a faint?

[@NokturnalMonstrum]

Apparently the majority of striking gyms in the US sucks, because I've practiced boxing in a couple of different places in Poland, and in every single one of them I was doing these combo drills with steps and footwork. The same with bag work - every single combo I step around the bag, as if it was about to hit me back

[@Jason_g_kennedy]

The jab yes the rear you should be shifting to the outside for the hook. And you aren't in the pocket. Boxers never just train standing in the pocket. Always move.

[@simpson82k]

Work the jab, to clear the void, is good beginner level range management....is what I would have said without watching the full video, but also the comment applies, Mighty Mouse has a lot to say on closing the void between the lines, and you break it down well here.. This is probably more a sensei seth topic, but the 'stealing step' from drunken boxing is what you're looking for and should be incorporated into your dirty boxing system. Make him do a class and get back to me! (Xing Yi has it too....cool story).

[@CountryKarate]

I already covered this topic in a past video. and Yes you should. great minds think alike.

[@Reposteveryday]

Hi Mike I live in the uk and apparently the uk police use a synthetic OC spray that has been toned down if you could get your hands on uk police spray I would love to hear your opinion on it

[@Jay-ho9io]

That's just good curry.

[@hard2hurt]

Nice try!

[@Reposteveryday]

@ ?

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@Reposteveryday he thinks you're just setting him up to OC himself again. 🤣

[@Reposteveryday]

@@Jay-ho9io someone was murderd in my town yesterday I just wanted to know if the uk police are properly prepared it’s quite scary I’m a kick boxer and I’m concerned I can’t even begin to think how a old person or a teen might feel

[@teammcdoom]

Top video Mike! 🫶

[@ehellsword2]

I was just thinking about this. I only know 2 combos off the top of my head (1 2 3 and 1 2 1 2-sometimes with a kick to end it). But then you see fights or sparring and you probably won't be able to string it together because the opponent will react and respond mid combo. You have to react in accordance to what is happening so you don't make a mistake and get rocked badly.

[@DesCoutinho]

I was trained in the 1 3. 2 is when they hit you. But in practice that tends to revert to just the 2.

[@ehellsword2]

@ I mean yeah. Of course it's easier to hit you after you throw a cross. But the cross is still an important strike to know just as an option to throw.

[@Subfightr]

I've always had people practice missing. Man, pull the mit away when you're doing the mitts and watch your partner take a big ole step! The mitts are basically holding them up. Just like when people throw everything they have into a heavy bag

[@nickarnold1622]

So is it silly to just do bag work for developing power? I feel awkward trying to implement all the other aspects and like it doesn't feel like realistic feedback anyway

[@thealleycat]

It was Mike, for those that know. Matter of fact Icy Mike…

[@dannydagerous]

yep

[@RamboRichardson]

Your wrong Mike, the more I look at Natalie the more I fall in love 💕 ...but now that I have looked away, obviously I agree about the heavy bag footwork. Thanks ✌🏼

[@paparadeliko]

I see you mike,I SEE YOU

[@JuC5574]

Just to clarify. This is for competition, not self-defense, correct?

[@christophercurtis9392]

Dude, this is something that so few people teach

[@hard2hurt]

Sometimes that means you're a trailblazer... sometimes it means you're a loon. Fingers crossed!

[@huntergrant6520]

I've been training for 30 years now. I've yet to consider training for the inevitable mistakes

[@mr28086]

I thought you closed the club down, or are these pre recorded videos?

[@benjaminyoung9694]

The void is beautiful.

[@capnuge7488]

Good stuff 💪🏾💪🏾✌🏾❤️

[@Pharmbob69]

This is what I teach- you're not going to hit with the first, second or fifth strike. We drill missing!

[@gymvideos4579]

Great video

[@DesiRush1]

Who doesn't practice missing? I mean, I've even missed the bag a couple times...