Should You Shoot A Trap Gun At Sporting?

[@robertprivett1525]

I was not a very good shot with my previous o/u, game shooting gun I was average, however I decided to take up clay shooting so purchased a second hand mk38 trap that had had comb riser fitted and bored out for a set of tegue chokes which I now shoot half/half the result is a transformation in my shooting and more enjoyment all round. My previous gun was a very light Italian gun which I could throw all over the sky and stop my swing, however the mk38 soon put a stop to that and my shooting became more consistent.

[@Jakeo93]

MK38 G5 30" is my gun for all purposes. Interestingly, it is labelled as a 'Sporter/Sporting' but it has the beavertail fore-end, Teague multichoke and it is slightly higher in the comb - not full trap or full sporting geometry. This is how it came from the factory and you see them every now and then in shops and online etc (made in 2017). It shoots more like a trap gun. The weight controls the swing on the clays and the G5 wood and engraving looks good on the peg during game season. I did have a Browning 525 sporter for a while, but I couldn't get used to shooting things flatter with the lower comb - it made my shooting become very inconsistent. I mount the gun as I see the target and I find with a trap gun, you can get away with an imperfect mount 8/10 times. With the sporter, I found you have to have your mount fully dialled and you need to be properly hunkered down into the gun. Otherwise, you're missing over the top. I'm a larger-built chap so I don't notice the weight and the chunkier style of a trap gun fits me well off the shelf - especially Miroku. Sporters tend to be slimmer so slighter more average-build guys prefer a sporter. Interestingly I have a 20-bore sporter in the cabinet and that shoots totally different again! Humans are unique and finding the gun to match is even more so! A very good video and hits the key differences on the nose.

[@3967742]

You said "You can bore the chokes out and a lot of people like to shoot full and full". Considering that the Mk38 trap comes as 3/4 and full as standard then you will have a job turning it into full and full - unless you have it multichoked.

[@williamcollins2327]

The best round of sporting I ever shot was with a trap gun. I took a lot of heat hearing comments like I was shooting a stove pipe. It was a Remington 1100 Classic Trap.

[@Jolly56Roger]

yes great guns Remingtons

[@yeboidustin8725]

In my opinion it's 90% skill and 10% gun I use a 50 year old remington 870 wingmaster and I shoot better than most people I know on my trap team with actual trap oriented guns fitted to their liking.

[@bobhill3941]

​@@yeboidustin8725You're absolutely right about that, I've just started shooting trap, my brother got me into it and I love it. Regardless of what gun I use, I know it's all on me regarding skill, practice, and repetition. I am getting better, but I've always had issues with hand/eye coordination.

[@jamesjohnson7905]

Mk 38 trap take to gunsmith alter stock to make it shoot flat then have it tegue choked. Perfection

[@Jolly56Roger]

Great . I like a trap gun mk38 g5 adj 32" for sporting because I like to float the target which means you see the target above the bead

[@TheVanillaface00]

I shoot a Browning Citori CXT which is a trap gun, similar to the mk 38. The reason is less recoil and I am used to a higher POI.

[@EDST13]

I use my 50 year old Ithaca Model 700 trap all the time for shooting sporting clays, great 👍 fun

[@Blondejam]

I love my MK38 Trap. I shoot clays only as a hobby and not too bad average 75-85 plus a B725 of which I love also. I enjoy shooting both guns but must say (Don't let the 725 hear this) I really Love the fuller feel of the trap fore end on the MK38. I have tried Barretta but not a fan of the slender pistol grip. Any ho, good luck to all out there guns are like individuals, we are all different...

[@rogerlewis5815]

I shoot a browning CX for trap skeet and five stand hello from Amarillo Texas

[@walterwinstanley8502]

You were mustard with the trap gun, but I think the ideal solution, as has already been said, is to buy an MK38 trap gun and get a good gunsmith to convert the stock to a sporting configuration that fits you. Teague chokes, or let out to 1/2 and 1/4 and you have a great sporting gun that will never let you down. I have never liked Blasers and I now know I am not alone.

[@buckshotaaa]

You certainly are not alone in your opinion of Blasers, a mate and his wife bought one each (F16) and have had nothing but trouble in the reliabilityl stakes. First off, his blew a choke out the muzzle so he had it chopped and Teagued. Blaser didn't accept liability. Secondly, his wife had the forend wood drop off on a clay shoot. The're only bonded on to the iron. Both guns have suffered from ejector timing malfunction. Blaser come with a 10 year warranty (if you send it off annually for a service at your own expense). They're pretty much sorted now but she has the odd ejector hiccup every so often. Not what one would expect from a four grand gun. German engineering anyone?

[@fullchoke01]

You can shoot anything for any discpline, gun fit, mount and swing, practice til perfect is the recipe, not what the gun says, i know guys with very old sxs who never miss, and guys with 20k krieghoff/perazzi whi can't hit a barn door, i myself use 1970s mirokus and can hold my own in any discipline

[@biagiocozza8875]

Great video. Love both guns, but will always go with the trap gun, for me.

[@buckshotaaa]

Back in the day, AJ (Smoker) Smith did okay with his Winchester full/full gun. If you point it in the right place the clay will break. Multi chokes just make it a little easier.

[@Plainsimple67]

IT HELPS FACTOR OUT ERRORS IN LEADS!!🤷‍♂️

[@JonThomson-j3h]

I shoot Kreighoff shotguns and I dont see the type of weigh difference you speek about, my K80 trap special weighs about 8 1/2 lbs whereas my K80 pro sporter a bit over 8 lbs. The major difference as you point out is the higher stock on the trap special. Both carry 32 in barrels and I do have a set of 30 in barrels for the trap special that I use on helice. Longer barrels aid in longer targets whereas the 30 swing a bit faster. I note that you are shooting an F16 Blaser, the F3 models I have shot both in trap and sporting weigh in closer to 8 lbs and have weights to adjust the balance. Your points are well taken, enjoyed it much, thanks

[@davidkermes393]

When shooting gets so specialized, especially with shotguns, there's less fun in it and more snobbery.

[@QuiickScopeThis]

This, I can run my Beretta SV10 or Silver Pigeon and i get no comments, if i roll up with my Caesar Guerini which is setup for trap then everyone just immediately tells me i'll struggle... yet i beat them 9/10 with it.

[@lucastolson3570]

great video! I shot my Browning citori cxt today for sporting and I have not decided if I like better than my game gun for sporting. "extra weight makes me feeI slow to a disadvantage" also used a pattern plate to see actual point of impact. For me it was closer to 50/50 than 70/30 as advertised. (thank goodness)

[@renedebruijn8455]

I shoot all disciplines with a Beretta 682 X trap and I love it.

[@welditmick]

I shoot a trap gun fixed choke at everything. Change the butt pad for a sporting one and away you go. All this rubbish about chokes - Just shoot and forget. It's in the head!!!! PS My sporter stays in the cabinet

[@DFox-ud3gx]

Dave hello , I'm a big fan of the beaver tail not the tappered forearm. Thanks for your tutorials

[@boarzwid1002]

And with the higher comb and longer LOP, you can custom fit it relatively easy

[@nkdenton62]

A twist on the question of shooting trap guns at sporting - I’ve been shooting sporting and trap for nearly two years with a Benelli Rafaello Supersport Performance Shop 12 gauge. My favorite choke is the Briley Light Modified, which shoots a very consistent 60/40 pattern. I’ve plateaued at 70-75 or in sporting so decided to go for the Browning 725 Sporter to have a properly fitted gun and hopefully gain a few more targets. OTOH, the Benelli with Briley LM choke has been a can’t-miss setup for trap and elevated wobble contests. Things look promising so far with the Browning for sporting but I can’t hit diddly squat with it on the trap field, so it looks like I’ll be picking up hulls from the Benelli semi for a while longer in trap contests. But hey, if the name of the game is broken targets then I should stick with what’s getting results, right?

[@thebigguy5538]

If you’re happy with 70 - 75…

[@nolandenton1224]

@@thebigguy5538 Given I’m not in a position to shoot 500 targets every week (not even sure I want to), yes - actually I am happy with 70-75

[@creekmiata]

Miroku shotguns are not available in the States for some draconian reasons I managed to snag a very used 2800 trap, spent a few dollars to get it running, and I now have a great gun under $1000 It can be done and is certainly worth the effort.

[@PencilProper]

What about a sporting gun in trap?

[@keithhaynes8079]

Thank you again David.

[@TSCTheshootingchannel]

Your Welcome!

[@josephyankoskie506]

I am from the US and shoot a high rib and high comb Browning 725. Its had a lot of rounds through it but man does it break the targets good.

[@johngoody7815]

I do use a trap gun for skeet, I dont shoot sporting. I do shoot what we call, great circle. that is the clay thrower is in the centre of a circle and positions are at 10 yard intervals and 40 yard from the thrower. 360 Degrees. The clay speed is approximately 70 to 80 mph..doubles are 3 secs apart. The circle is great fun. the angle of departure can also be changed. All my guns have Adjustable stocks. I could lower the stock but I dont. I know where all my guns shoot. instead of putting the clay on the bead, as in trap, 60-40, I lower the barrel approx 12" under the clay. I use an mx2000 Perazzi, Ceaser Guerini vii Invictus, and a HRT Miroku. I favour the Invictus. I shoot mainly DTL and Olympic Trap.

[@ronaldjohnson1474]

I think it would be difficult to shoot a high shooting, 70/30 gun with a high rib on sporting/game targets. Not impossible, mind you, but not optimum.

[@davidpyper82]

I shoot mk3800 trap at sporting 32" barrels and sporting butt pad Fixed choke bored to 1/2 and 1/2

[@alanbrudenell4918]

Great gun. I have the same

[@davidpyper82]

@@alanbrudenell4918 is bored to tight 1/4 1/4 now and I love it even shoot skeet with it 👍

[@vanislandsteve]

Always use a skeet gun!

[@stevepicton8222]

I shoot a old Winchester 8500 trap for sporting nice gun

[@martymac63]

I picked up a Browning 725 skeet for sporting clays and I love it except for the finish of the wood. For some reason, i get white marks in certain places. I believe they are light nicks. If this is true why would they put a finish like that?

[@joshwalker4506]

What would the Mk38 trap be like for pheasant and game?

[@jpkla5663]

I shoot a Fabarm Elos Trap 30" multi choke, non adjustable comb stock on sporting and as a game gun, has matt black barrels and action. Love it great gun, safe to shoot this rubbish steel shot we have to use through it.

[@paulbrookes7057]

Y not have one gun to do the lot farmer’s gun as if .we all have a gun we go to?i don’t have rabbits bashing gun and then pigeon gun I use same gun on clays aya side by side

[@weissrw1]

How was the Blaser choked? Thanks.

[@olivergrothe]

Great vid mate! Personally I use a Zoli Kronos w TSK stock. 76cm barrel Might be more a Trap gun than a Sporting gun? But it works fine for me competing in both

[@grahamking2239]

Dave , I’m 78 and have been shooting for some 65 years , 12 bores are just to heavy . Especially over 100 clays , I have been shooting Beretta 687 sporting, is there a better 20 bore

[@pdaunton]

Just wondered what benefits there is with a step up or adjustable rib and why people use them

[@yeboidustin8725]

People use those for trap most of the time not sporting clays or skeet.

[@billk888]

Great video, very good info..

[@Colinhunt68]

Comparing MK38 Trap vs Sporter would have been much more useful rather than comparing to a totally different gun. If you want tight chokes like 3/4 or full then you do not need to bore them out as that is what they come out of the factory with! If you want more open chokes that is when you would have them bored out!

[@TheVanillaface00]

question is why spend to bore them out at all. Just get it threaded for multi-choke or buy a modern gun that comes with multi chokes.

[@simonpalmer8033]

@@TheVanillaface00 think about what you have written.

[@rookstorm1]

If it sits over the rib it shoots high , trap gun

[@G78.]

Thanks for a great video I bought a new mk38 trap multichoked for DTL But I’m going to shoot sporting as well wanted expert advice what chokes would you recommend For sporting I use 3/4 full for DTL

[@johnmarkharris]

Trap gun is better for the actual shooting, you just have to get accustomed to lugging the extra weight around the whole course. 🙂

[@gordy1961]

David, I am a rough shooter (very rough) also a rifle shooter. Most of my shotgun work is on pigeon etc & I use a side by side Aya. However, I want to get back into a decent o/u with a bit of weight to it and am looking at a MK38 32" trap gun with extended teague chokes..... (yes I know) not exactly a pigeon gun but the question is - would I be handicapping myself too much if I bought one? Its a great price and good condition. I had a Betinsolli multi years ago and was the worst gun I ever had, didnt even shoot straight.. put me off o/u's for years.

[@zakariaabdullatif9149]

So how far can it travel

[@aleccrombie7923]

Good video and worthwhile breakdown of the differences. Not sure that watching you shoot 20 clays adds anything. I normally f/f that bit

[@peterheath8618]

I'm in the market for a nice o/u and I like the mk38, would you use it for game? Ideally I want to do a little of clays, bit of pigeon and general game birds on my beating days

[@ibelieve1468]

I have a 525 inv + 30" sporter. am I able to buy a trap forend to replace the basic forend? If so at what cost?

[@paulsherrod1365]

I shoot one for sporting clays . Because it’s all I have right now. What would you suggest for my purchase to sporting clays

[@hf8471]

I shot everything with a Trap gun. Skeet, Parcours Trap. Only Trap gun from Miroku ❤

[@jddero7892]

Don’t most trap guns have a higher rib? I have been shooting trap for a short while and when looking to step up to a nicer gun, I hear mixed opinions about a high or low rib for trap? Any thoughts?

[@darthavarus]

Hello! I have Fabarm SDASS pump shotgun with barrel length 51cm. Is it possible to use it for skeet?

[@cc8512]

Your videos are very informative. Do you have any vids using a yildiz sxs .410 with a turkey choke for trap? I have three of the yildiz....410 sxs...20 bore over/ under....and 12 gauge sporter steel receiver.....Thank you P.S. ..my main trap gun is a Browning Bt-99 with adjustable comb and a Graco gracoil with a kick-ezz

[@TSCTheshootingchannel]

There will be one coming out I. April thanks for the nice comment

[@Chickendave344]

My lad is 10 uses a kofs game twenty bore it's everything 😂😂

[@barbaraimmenhauser2849]

That is cool

[@nickselby7161]

Why compare 2 totally different guns when you could’ve compared a trap v sporter MK38?

[@digvijayrawat542]

hello iam an indian trap shooter and i am looking forward to import my first trap gun so please tell me the best trap gun that i can import under 4000 euro

[@Conservativemind929]

I enjoy sporting clays and wanting to get a Franchi Instinct L,anyone have any input on this model

[@iskandarshah2921]

I have an LX (fancy version of the L) and an SL (light version of an L- it weighs about 5.25 pounds). Both are great hunting guns, but I'd look elsewhere for a strictly sport gun.

[@clausenogbach]

I shoot a trap at sport - because i got a good offer ;)

[@richardtimms8733]

No comment!

[@lars9022]

Subtítulos en español

[@catalinmenghita1529]

Bună ziua cît costă o armă brownig 525 la mâna a doua și cum pot intra in posesia ei?

[@barbaraimmenhauser2849]

I also shoot

[@thebigguy5538]

Should you shoot a sporting gun at trap.

[@mycookimoro]

... Would you please speak English