Should you still learn to code? (ft. Devin)

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#devin #cognition #anthropic

[@timursalakhetdinov9662]

It is like when Excel was launched in the 90s, hyping that accountants wouldn’t be needed. In the end all accountants are still using Excel as a major tool😊

[@mrbartuss1]

Yup, no matter what software is used, at the end everything ends up exported to Excel

[@johnnyiambayu3437]

I bet you we didn't need as many accountants though. because the average person could now do the work themselves. Depending on how fast the technology moves, you could still be leaving a lot of people out of work for at least a few years... Not saying there's anything wrong with that per say, but it is something to think about.

[@Alpacabowl98]

eventually Devin will be smarter than everyone combined. you think you're going to fix a problem everyone working together can't, you must think your him

[@pvanukoff]

That's an invalid comparison. Excel was a replacement for the paper ledgers accountants used, and sure they throw some math functions in there also. But it didn't do the accounting for you. Accountants were still doing accounting, they just do it on a computer instead of on paper. AI agents, like Devin, actually *do the work* instead of the human.

[@mnothing1325]

@@pvanukoffwriting code down and getting code written for you isn’t that different Everybody used stack overlflow lol This is just going to make less programmers that can do more But there will still be programmers

[@youMatterItDoesGetBetter]

Please everybody, stop studying CS, drop out of school and quit programming... so my salary will go up to 300k a year. =p

[@at3941]

That’s why you’ll be replaced - AI vs 300k per year it’s a no brainer 😂 - many people have lost jobs for fractions of that

[@youMatterItDoesGetBetter]

@@at3941 I'll turn into an AI consultant bud. Adapt or die in life.

[@Alex-ns6hj]

@@youMatterItDoesGetBetter everyone, work in AI consulting so we can share the salary :D

[@MINDucated]

If programmers and developers can be completely replaced, I think that not only programmers but most people with other careers should be worried

[@satchillananda]

True

[@Vic_Manswell]

Take my job... Please

[@abdala3475]

Accountants, managers, economists, lawyers all of these can be replaced by AI at this rate of technological improvement

[@georgerake5821]

Well, if AI can replace 100s of thousand of developers working at microsoft, than it means we just need to buy same AI and hardware and create our own windows

[@UseDucts]

Don't overestimate coding. It's just another language, just like translation from English to.... If they find a way to translate English to software with a high accuracy, then great. But their language translators are still Bad even when you translate from two Big languages like Arabic to English and translators are still needed to correct AI. I think that the same will happen with software engineering.

[@MrSamPhoenix]

I would still love to learn how to program. It’s good to know how do so

[@Vic_Manswell]

Learning is living

[@nig3ldoug1as63]

But AI is killing our brains

[@anubisai]

As a guy who is legit building a massive fullstack app using AI, I can assure you there is still plenty of work to hash out as a human. Specifically getting ones ducks in a row. 😅

[@firz8744]

But the research says Devin only works 13% (current highest) of the time. That percentage can change anytime...

[@anubisai]

@@firz8744 You can have the most buttoned down state of the art AGI, Multiple agents, tree of thought, the works. The bottom line is that when you are executing building a product, you have to have every single detail worked out ahead of time. We are talking 15+ detailed documents. THAT is where the human work exists. That and prompting it through step by step including error handling and testing. These are facts even if it does "100%" of the work. Don't kid yourself, im in the weeds doing this with way higher percentages, today, already, whilst people are talking about "what it can do in the future ". Nobody is getting replaced, people's rolls will simply change and you will be expected to get more done. So it still pays to get your education and learn to program.

[@zoeherriot]

@@firz874413% of what? I guarantee you that even at 100% it won’t be taking my job.

[@1000timka]

@@firz8744watch web dev simplified’s video. Those numbers are extremely misleading and I would argue they r lying

[@helterskelter4357]

@@firz8744 13% on the 𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐭 they used for testing and evaluating their LLM. We still need to see how it fares in the real world even if it improves over time.

[@Drone256]

Who just writes software?? Being a developer is about problem solving and code is how you express a solution. If you can’t code then you can’t speak the language to fully define a solution to something.

[@numalesoybea1348]

AI problem solves just fine

[@marlon7826]

Great video Luke!

[@Vic_Manswell]

I'm with Dr. Chuck on this one. This tech will be complimentary and a great assistant for humans AND code devs but coming up with original creative ideas and the replacement of a human element just isn't going to happen anytime soon. Learning to code is still a thing

[@timothywcrane]

The drive to get others to "stop tech" sounds more like market capture than honest advice.... they ARE programmers FCOL.

[@Vic_Manswell]

@@timothywcrane I concur

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

Don’t be so sure about its inability to come up with creative ideas.

[@Vic_Manswell]

@@Zane_Zaminsky im confident in my own abilities. Everyone else is on their own

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

@@Vic_Manswell So am I. I am a statistician / statistical programmer / data scientist (newer term) since the early 1980’s. And I’ve taught this to college students for several decades.

[@stefcon2000]

People need to understand that all the hype around AI is there for marketing. You can't build a startup and say, yeah, we are just a new tool trying to breakthrough, you need to sell yourself hard. And I don't believe that there was a lot of AI breakthrough done with Devin, they most likely just included some smart prompt engineering to prompt LLM to search net/docs when it meeds to and to run it's code multiple times and try to reflect on it (basically, run itself until test cases pass). Cool, but nothing special in grand scheme of things.

[@oscarcastro9316]

I've been "programming" with AI. For years I've struggled with learning Python. Now I make full script, automations and machine learning projects. Im sure using AI for work will be frowned upon certain fields, but an employer who looks beyond that and focuses on the results will be the ones that will stay ahead of the curve.

[@bluecrocks]

If it’s a passion you will do what you want

[@VastCNC]

Open AI is about to put out a press release that just says, “Hold my beer.”

[@LukeBarousse]

🤣

[@Vic_Manswell]

What kind of beer?

[@xevenau]

I believe it too haha. Technology at light speed.

[@JoshBabin]

​@@Vic_Manswell UnNatural Light

[@Vic_Manswell]

@@JoshBabin only the finest. Enjoy

[@josephmiller9180]

Luke, you are our father

[@kevinfultz07]

What's up dadda nerds!

[@davidmiller-td1sl]

He brought the receipts!!!

[@LukeBarousse]

😘 chu know it

[@syedhammad1962]

Hey Luke great video as always, here is a suggestion as a data nerd :- Can you make a community channel where you can update us instantly on what courses you are going through and what is gonna be you're next upload coz I am always curious to see what you come up with each week. thank you.

[@LukeBarousse]

Thanks for the idea, let me see what I can do

[@dissipation]

Well it looks like we'll still need some human input, a 0.03 confidence score not something I'd try to sell on upwork - but I do also thing there are lots of things in analytics and data science that could benefit from some automation!

[@alphatipoglu3160]

Luke hello as you know, we are working or want to work on data analysis, like me, we must have basic information such as ensuring the security of our computer, not sharing our personal data around and protecting the company before we get to work. Can you prepare a video on this subject?

[@user-tf8mj2ew4k]

what about sql for data analytics or phthon for data analytics like just telling them group this or select this or sort by whatver or do i still have to fully and advancly learn coding for data anlaytics or is it unesscary

[@msfalfayez940]

I was planning on taking Microsoft Power bi Data Analytics professional certificate because it has powerquery and Excel and other tools that are in demand, should I study Googles instead?

[@knw-seeker6836]

The skill of problem solving will still be relevant one way or the other By the way Luke you explained everything very cool as usual

[@johnpasir3207]

in the past and now it is about difference and coming together of experience, expertise, context, views and opinions as well of understanding of requirements of each project participants in a project or transformation. Throw a JohnDoe AI in the mix to simplify the whole thing and let's see if everyone will blindly agree to the recommendations. Imagine office politics against or for the opinion or work of JohnDoe AI.

[@ahrdal]

It seamed as if they were taking screen shots of GDP-data from several countries, and just using extrapolating them into the future with various time-series methods. That does not constitute.a forecast of GDP growth, you need to analyse much more types economic data for that.

[@hypergraphic]

It's like asking should we even learn math since we have calculators and computer algebra systems. The answers always gonna be yes if you care about grokking how the whole thing works from the bottom up .

[@samuelkimotho3040]

Are you seriously comparing AI to a calculator,... Calculator replaced no mathematician while chatgbt replaced 100% of online writers in kenya

[@hypergraphic]

@@samuelkimotho3040 I said IF you care about grokking the whole thing. Not everyone cares that deeply. How many people today know how to use a slide rule or an abacus?

[@MACODJ]

Nice video

[@k7gamerz414]

00:02 Devin, an autonomous bot, can impact job security with its coding and analysis abilities 01:15 Cognition tool used for code fixing and data analytics 02:30 Devon demonstrated impressive problem-solving skills with computer vision model 03:35 The importance of human intervention in guiding automated coding solutions 04:48 Coursera offers $100 off yearly subscription to Coursera Plus, giving access to Google certificate and 7,000 other learning programs. 06:00 Positive trajectory towards better coding technology. 07:05 Anthropic released a new economic analyst model second to open AI's GPT-4 08:21 Using coding and large language models for data analytics

[@Nate-fy5cq]

I have a feeling we closer to singularity then we think

[@RunOs3]

I think by guiding AI we are teaching AI to do our jobs, and eventually AI will guide us to the unemployment line.

[@Vic_Manswell]

After Ai makes me a sandwich

[@m.w.6099]

Luke, you know what course best to follow on coursera to learn Python?

[@LukeBarousse]

I’m all for the “Python for Everybody” course

[@m.w.6099]

@@LukeBarousse 🫶🏼

[@chyngyzdosmatov3229]

Devin for dummies?

[@thisbridgehascables]

No outside tests.. means it’s only as good as the test. So, it can’t replace crap.

[@DisentDesign]

I've avoided needing to code anymore than what copy and paste can do for over 30 years, aint no one i'm going to start to learn now, i mean i can talk to ai, i can code already.

[@91dgross]

speak english

[@DjordjeSusa555]

What is the right direction here Luke?

[@ibrahimalharbi3358]

Direction to know your God Your purposes in Life God is not a dead Man Faith must make sense

[@yournan5372]

HEY EVERYONE HERES THE SHORT ANSWER: study computer architecture and science and the basic rule set for code and programming syntax so that you can use AI tools to their max potential, learn the rules so you can break them like a pro

[@Gamez4eveR]

6:04 this graph is quite something In my experience, Claude3 is barely any better than GPT4, yet in this graph, Claude2 demolishes GPT4

[@FactsNoCare]

It's cool but takes hours to do tasks and that's gonna cost a pretty penny with how much llms are. Just pay the humans that already know what's up.

[@malik.E.A]

it's not using a debugger because it's obviously not real 😂its all markerting.

[@centipedekid9824]

Who tf thought it would be a good idea to invent something to take their job?

[@GeorgiaMade404706]

Exactly, take their job while making them filthy rich at the same time. I would definitely invent something like Devin Lol

[@bimrebeats]

Uhm, that’s all we’ve been doing for 50 years now. And guess what? The demand keeps multiplying. Or do you think people in the 70s knew we’d be programming thousands of applications for one brand of telephones?

[@MobileDeveloper1965]

The problem is if the business trusts the code generated by the AI

[@jarryd9422]

Meh, the fear drives me to continue on learning.

[@06kokoko]

Isn’t this like questioning whether it is worth learning English when AI can generate text for you?

[@zulfiqarkhan8046]

no because you use english to communicate/influence other humans, and you do that well when its not you reading from AI, whereas in the case of programming, that isn't the case, you program to make the computer do some task; which AI can do better, very soon.

[@MobileDeveloper1965]

Mindless ceo

[@herpaderppa3297]

people don't remember what computers did to human chess. It went through the same stages as AI today. "It's impossible" - "It's possible but too costly" - "It's possible but only useful for a few" - "It's possible but won't change the philosophy behind a thousand year old game" - "It's possible and changed everything, people in the future will NOT play chess. It's over." (you are here) - More people play chess now than ever before and at a much higher skill level because computers helped with the mediocre stuff. It's like a super intelligence came to earth and gave you a clear answer - is this move good or bad. yes or no. Before that, different opinions and much debates about moves were held. Now you just ask a computer.

[@ThomasTomiczek]

Except in Chess there is competition with AI. It is a sport. Programmers - sure, if you want it as a hobby. But expecting someone to pay you... will soon be over.

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

@@ThomasTomiczek tough to know, but I would still venture to say that "no". AIs will eventually be perhaps just another abstraction layer on top of other ones that we have built (I still remember doing my first programming in assembly language, addressing individual memory addresses etc). Becoming great at problem definition and what is called "pseudo code" could be the next level of abstraction that we will be using.

[@herrderr366]

Imagine, there are no programmers, and who check and understand the code? As a cs engineer i can tell you this is bs, nonsense and just a pr-stunt

[@BlueWhite69]

Devin ai

[@abner372]

third one!

[@thedeadman8361]

Remember everyone, there's no point in studying computer science and programming because AI is going to take over and AI has absolutely nothing to do with computer science and programming.

[@werren894]

AI would not kill software engineering, that make no sense, it would kill the low hanging fruit, common job or the high level stuff, the invention of the new is still our responsibility because AI would not be able to understand us (even our scientist are still in research about human), human courisity would still be going, the low level stuff always need some human works. software engineering is more than just to create product that solve problem, that would be AI and scientific machine, calculator did not replace accountant, programmer seems don't quite to understand, alot of machine are design not to be coded/programed, the job of SE is to make sure machine can be "instructed" to do something, like cracking a paid hardware product which is a crime is still software engineering, there is alot to it.

[@MobileDeveloper1965]

Coders will need to check the code generated by the AI

[@emmanuelalva6597]

I haven’t worked as a data analyst in about a year but as AI gets better the more I don’t plan on returning to that career. AI is still not there but it’s good enough for most businesses needs.

[@d16024]

bye bye

[@deveshdalmia3047]

AI is good but it can't replace Analysts. You still need someone to activate and use the AI and understand the results, much like how calculators didn't get rid of mathematicians, it just made it simpler.

[@storagedrive4369]

This will only reduce the demand on IT professionals, thus the competition will much tougher than before

[@emmanuelalva6597]

@@deveshdalmia3047 won’t replace analysts but you give this to the IT department and they’ll be able to do 90 percent of the job lol

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

@@deveshdalmia3047 indeed. One of the most important questions about data analysis is always "here is the data, but what does this actually MEAN for THIS COMPANY, IN THIS SITUATION". The quality of those answers has always been the factor that determines client satisfaction.

[@geetube79]

Corporations SIMP for money. Do you trust them? Lol

[@austinejuma6160]

Those who are threatened by AI just don't understand their purpose. AI is going to benefit those already in the realm of IT than any other field. No company will hire a plumber as a prompt engineer but developers will. Furthermore, it's a matter of embracing technology. If you are a programmer, embrace it and you will be considered, If you are an engineer embrace it and append your skills alongside it. Besides if AI has to affect the job market, I bet every other field will be, no need to panic if you embrace the emerging technologies. Forget all these misleading projections.

[@giulia6930]

Frankly, I didn't get why that dude told the public that we have to work in farms😂 Farms are gonna be replaced far before programmers, as medicine and education, we would probably rise beatles and crickets in those farms, surely not cows😂 What kind of comment was that? Just another way to say "I'm full of shit" without saying "I'm full of shit".

[@avi7278]

Devin is a tech demo for VCs nothing more.

[@timothytim1053]

Yeah, there is a lot of hype. How does this work in a day to day basis? We hear a lot of claims from the DEVS, but it rarely pans out as expected.

[@naromsky]

SQL is fun, but a waste of time otherwise

[@christianrazvan]

It's the bases of all working real world applications😅

[@naromsky]

Welcome to 2024.

[@RedJoker9000]

Hi first

[@ventus.pd89]

I will study only because if AI takes over the world tomorrow, I will be able to hack it!