Should you use Primed Firestorm on the Torid Incarnon?? (AoE/Beam Chaining Mechanics Explained)

[@ThatBeePerson]

"I couldn't think of a good way to visualize this part so I coded a simulation" I have literally never seen your content but my respect for you jumped twice within the first 2 minutes, once for clearing up some pretty blatant misinfo, and then again for LITERALLY CODING A VISUALIZATION to make it easier to show how something works

[@Stryker_VR]

"So I just coded a simulation" DAWG???? HELLO????????? LMFAO

[@ovencake523]

hes earned a sub from me for that

[@iputuwahyukusuma1270]

what a madlad

[@Zexion0the0great]

Ironicly also the best review of the torrid incarnon, instead of just a brainrot build, you actually explain the mechanics and how the mechanics applies to the weapon. Would love to see more weapon reviews about obscure mechincs That weapons can have.

[@SkyEcho751]

This explains SO much. I was trying to figure out how a weapon that creates a bigger AOE would create beam chains... This clears everything up so much. Definitely will Forma my Torid a couple more times to be able slot this in.

[@Crembaw]

Interesting point, however, you sound like you worked at Souplantation and weren’t allowed near the pizza section after fourteen citations and CCTV footage of the ‘incidents.’

[@Malurth]

dam that's a particularly rare insult 😂

[@dainharriott3060]

Right???? Like wow

[@Malurth]

...this is too upvoted now. someone say a nice thing about my voice 😭

[@ThatOneVizard]

@@Malurthyou sound like a geek, which is preferable to a nerd or dweeb. ❤

[@Brendzun]

This mf know something we don't

[@kyaii]

hm, thats pretty cool, good video

[@beegyoshi1685]

i immediately looked for that particular short where you replied to a guy saying i think firestorm increases the AOE with no it pretty clearly extends the chain by 2 LOL

[@TForgery]

"So I coded a simulation" is such a goated way to handle this lmao Thanks so much for the video, I really appreciate it. Super helpful. Shame I didn't pick up Primed Firestorm during Tennocon, I was like "Oh, the +aoe mods aren't good, right? I'll skip them"

[@DizzyFi]

So basically, the initial targeting AOE of the beam is considered an explosion, so bigger AOE just means it can hit more initial targets to chain to, instead of increasing individual beam chain length. Good video, took me a minute to wrap my head around it

[@RavlinWasTaken]

Incarnoff made me cackle. Great video!

[@Ave-Satanas]

A general video on dispelling the myths and misunderstandings of [Galvanized Aptitude] would be cool.

[@PrismariLaura]

Galv aptitude is fine (minus the weird exceptions) once you learn the basic rules. For hitscan weapons it's additive to base damage like serration or primary merciless (i.e. damage is 1 + (165% + 80%) = 245%) For projectile weapons, on direct impact, it's multiplicative to base damage (i.e. (1+165%) * (1+80%) = 477%) And for AoE weapons, it does nothing. Ignore bows for your own sanity.

[@sajinkahnalt]

1:21 you immediately have my sub and respect for putting something like that together. Even if it may not be that impressive from your perspective, I only wish I could render that in something like after effects. More wf creators should strive to achieve this level of intuitive visual demonstration. Very refreshing

[@LobotomyPatient]

“So I just coded a simulation” definition of love for the game. Respect it so much

[@fourleaves6877]

"Too lazy to make end cards" *Already programmed a simulation to better convey your point* You don't need end cards, dude, you've proven yourself multiple times over! This video is well-researched, succinct, and to the point! A fantastic breakdown of both how Torid Incarnon works, and how Firestorm affects it! Bravo!

[@blakehayward6884]

Agreed. He earned my sub for this!!

[@jetwar-y9h]

That visual you made looked so good and demonstrated what you were taking about so well!

[@joshsolders5543]

This video explains to me why I felt my corrosive cold build felt underwhelming on the Torid. Multishot not applying is significant when the Frostbite adds multishot.

[@Wooskii1]

This is not only one of, maybe THE, best Torid videos I've seen but it's one of the best videos I've seen on any WF mechanic. Very informative! Now I'll check out some more 👍

[@fev3rd]

Who really care bad build good build on the torid. This thing of mass destruction kills in incarnon mode period.

[@Wooskii1]

@fev3rd Yeah exactly, that's why videos like this are awesome- If it overkills the 4 dudes you're pointing at anyway, understanding the mechanics to go for 8 instead is the way to go, even if you have to drop an extra damage mod

[@TheNumbersPerson]

Another nerd discovered who knows and understands obscure Warframe mechanics with a nice voice? Oh this is a good day. I will watch your career with great interest.

[@Verus07]

Damn you for those last two sentences Malurth! That was exactly what I was wondering! Great video, love the highly detailed and actually tested content meant to explain concepts to idiots like me. That visual representation was quality stuff.

[@mrtchicc6837]

bro used simulacrum in real life just to tell you to put a specific mod on torid WHAT A CHAD

[@sentryga8444]

If only i had the quality and dedication for my thesis like this guy has for talking about torid incarnon.

[@brunox93]

Fantastic video! Good way to make it visually digestable too! I knew it felt good using it, I knew I was hitting more targets, I never knew why! And that is now clear!

[@Sage_0034]

You are a true scientist. I didnt even know torid had an incarnon going into this video but now i know everything i need to know about it

[@lucagenovese7207]

The fact that you coded that simulator blows my mind

[@NFZKAZE]

Instant sub, instant like, what an amazing video with gorgeous visualizations and explanations of the mechanics going on.

[@palea1335]

this is an incredibly informative video. honestly, every torid user should see this video. well done! this is far more in-depth than almost any other guide or explanation i've seen on warframe.

[@knicklichtjedi]

This is content creation! Deep testing, proven on an example and even better visualized through a simulation! Absolutely glorious!

[@Average_Internet_User101]

Cuh said "Fine, I'll do it myself!"

[@toddboward4771]

Congrats, you speak like you have a shoe sized IQ and a father that went out for a pack of Newports 18 years ago 😂😂

[@blueveil3277]

The moment you showed you firing near the enemy I knew what it was about. I really didn't knew about the radius around the beam, this is an amazing find to me, specially because of my sloppy aim. Great video, man. Great video. Beautiful Equinox too. Speaking of which... Equinox vid when?

[@Malurth]

haha idk, atm I pretty much exclusively play night mode Equinox, day mode fans would likely be left disappointed. but I will think on it :p

[@zattez3032]

I'd be fascinated in a breakdown of how the boar incarnon works. It's a favourite weapon of mine.

[@CDubb442]

Had to sub you’re the only person explaining this mechanic thank you.

[@jokerServerDE]

This is super helpful and well put together! Thanks for the hard work

[@feechbone9927]

you're so criminally underrated, loved the vid

[@laeyein]

this is such an awesome video!! thank you very much for your efforts :)

[@slavy2]

I don't even have the torid incarnon but it's so relaxing to listen to you explain things

[@ryanchen8403]

Thank you so much for this info, this clears up a lot of questions I have had about the torid incarnon. Also it shows how messy the weapons chaining mechanics are behind the scenes. Granted the Torid incarnon does so much direct damage that even a DOT build still kills mostly from direct damage instead of the DOT's doing the heavy lifting, or it might just be my +dmg multishot and CC, +recoil riven talking

[@jacob-2271]

Yeah, it might be the riven you just tried flexing making it crazy enough to do that 💀

[@ItsWizardTime]

This is some very useful information. Hopefully other content creators decide to make a follow-up video correcting the misinformation for those who dont see this.

[@starstreakalex7372]

This is a BRILLIANT video. THIS is the type of video we need more of on warframe youtube.

[@Semaradrid]

Great video, the multishot part is big if true.

[@Miss-Catnip]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I WAS LITERALLY SO CONFLICTED ON IF I SHOULD EQUIP IT OR NOT AND WHAT I WOULD EVEN USE IF I TOOK IT OFF BUT NOPE.

[@giraoshaw]

blast or electricity seem like the go to elements when using fire storm. sick I can't wait to try it out. thank for this video

[@duskymage]

In my opinion, if you want to deal with crowds better -> use firestorm, for tougher enemies -> don't. In my opinion, torid doesn't ever struggle with crowds, only sometimes with high level eximus/bosses, where firestorm doesn't do anything... So I generally don't use firestorm.

[@Joe90h]

I use Firestorm, but because I have my Torid setup for crowds. IMO there are better guns for single target takedowns, like Kuva Hek or Vasto Incarnon.

[@jonahbrown5669]

If you're using Torid for tough targets, you're not using Torid. Torid is ALL about clearing crowds.

[@qsfff5099]

If you want to kill bosses, bring different gun

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

Instant sub for the effort. Cheers.

[@MihaiHategan]

Fantastic explanation dude! I hope you make more of these 👌👌👍👍

[@mbpm6135]

Thank you for the literal perfect explanation.

[@iFINNIX]

Thank you so much for the visuals!

[@Briare0s_]

legend. fucking, legend. I dont even fuckin' have the Torid yet. but but the effort and care put into this video, is fucking INSANE 10/10 instant subscribe

[@Breqs98]

Bro coded a sim to dispute misinformation? earned a sub and like, just got the torid incarnon this week so ty for the info.

[@takirakirakira]

I'll just say that this great video will not sway from a fact of superior value/importance, that is that i found an amazing channel about warframe !!

[@SwedetasticGames]

Thanks for the breakdown my man. That was very informative, and it was highly amusing seeing how spaghetti'd this weapons mechanics are.

[@spookipants]

very informative and well put together

[@Hayden-yb7yy]

I've always wondered about how this actually works but i was too lazy to do research myself so thanks heaps you're super underated

[@Minecaffer]

Just found your video. Idk why it took so long but I subscribed within 3 minutes of that fucking testing application you used as a visual guide. A+

[@LambentV]

I see the algorithm has blessed me this day

[@kuzidas4213]

Another important thing about primed firestorm’s effect on the Torid is that since lunch through doesn’t do anything, firestorm makes it easier to hit enemies through walls/floors/ceilings. For a weapon that is strong because it’s so easy to use, making it even easier to use is a boon that shouldn’t be dismissed! Hitting one guy close to a door and killing 5 dudes in a room you can’t even see always feels good lol

[@crypticloki]

I pray for enemy density like this 2:18

[@Smatchimo616]

Warframe community is blessed by you and your math and your cool math tools

[@bounty446]

Great info buddy I just HIT that Sub. button keep up the good work....

[@lilimoe2632]

Thank you for helping all of us.

[@MadaxTheShadow]

Thanks for this. It already melted crowds, but now it's just getting ridiculous. Merciless, multishot, crit, firestorm, and corrosive + blast. Legit if two or more enemies are anywhere near each other, they cease to exist

[@Cedeqien]

hell yeah my favorite warframe utuber

[@Malurth]

thx ced 😂

[@isaacclarke8945]

Nice vid just for the sim alone! I like it and it works pretty well, but I don’t know if I can justify swapping to P Firestorm for Hunter Munitions or the addition of another status mod. A viral, slash, heat combo with Galvanized Scope can get really silly. Also, blast damage and gas damage work really well on this weapon even without P Firestorm. I would recommend P Firestorm on the Kuva Ogris and the Proboscis Cernos. Although it doesn’t change the fall off damage on the Cernos…

[@disendromeder4347]

First off, the "incarnon/incarnoff" thing is so funny i cant believe i didnt think of it sooner Second, in my head, i like to multiply the percentage bonus by itself and then by 6, so primed firestorm would be 6(r(1+0.44))², since its the actual area of the circle the true gain in its, well, area is better reflected. Overall, the actual gain in AoE is about 2.07x, or 207%, which is a LOT more than the increase is just radius implies at first glance

[@arisenprestige5717]

I love KZbinrs like you ♥️

[@coyork15]

Nice, actual information. I don't run Primed Firestorm anymore personally because I just haven't found it necessary. If I didn't have a Riven it would probably slot in but I run a blast Torid and it's extremely uncommon that there are groups of enemies that don't evaporate already.

[@lag00n54]

honestly I just put Prime fire storm on Kuva Ogris and kuva zarr

[@CardinalCake]

What’s your blast build?

[@jonahbrown5669]

Having a riven is more reason TO use Primed Firestorm as a riven can give you the equivalent of 3 mods for the mod space of 1.

[@QDRG64]

You get a sub just for that simulation lol

[@YourGypsyBro]

Meanwhile…. Torid: “And if you don’t love me now, You will never love me again” Primed Firestorm : “I can still hear you saying that we would never break the chain”

[@lalalalalalalalalala-js5xl]

Very useful visualiser

[@lordd0m490]

GigaChad,nice video.

[@TheFlyingslug]

I just use Blast damage on my Torid. Ever since the status changes with Jade Shadows, its hilariously powerful for dealing with groups of enemies.

[@hobogod2692]

Your doing god's work sir.

[@ardynizunia9709]

Radius increases are always CRAZY. It is NOT simply the same as a range increase in a straight line. The 44% increase from primed firestorm more than doubles the area covered by any radial effect. Remember, the further out you go with the radius, the bigger and bigger the circle gets, therefore, the benefits in area coverage are exponential.

[@QuietDarkness27]

Stopped by the channel at the suggestion of Kyaii for the Nova "quadratic scaling" information. Loving the Nova Nuke build. Checking in to see if that Torid build video is still in the queue? Thanks!

[@Malurth]

it's still on the table, but I'm not sure if/when it will materialize, sry...thanks for the gas, tho :)

[@QuietDarkness27]

@@Malurth absolutely, looking forward to all the other “fire” videos. (Kids still say that sort of stuff yeah? Nah, it’s all good I’ll stick around if it’s all the same). :)

[@mmonkeybone]

I realy wish fire storm and prime firestorm was a exilus mod i love it for its primary mode more then its beam just something about shooting pods of toxin farts brings me more joy then the beam.

[@EXLR83D]

Amazing vid.

[@r1stsl1tr]

Very well made video

[@lucfal5978]

Curious how much of this translates to the Tenet Glaxion. Fantastic video!

[@TexAs-hh9um]

Mmm yes, Incarnon and Incaroff, lovely

[@jblnnn]

Very very good video thank you

[@joeillingworth1141]

Turns out it increases the chaining distance too. In the simulacrum you can see this

[@lagosertergaming3835]

This is why inaros is wonderful on torid. Group em up, hose em down, right quick

[@z3bra_f0untain36]

From my personal testing, run prime firestorm if you don't have a crit damage riven. If you do have a CD riven, you kill groups far faster by slotting galvanized scope over firestorm

[@pcsiipher]

It sounds like primed firestorm+primary acuity vs any multishot mod would be extremely op on the torid

[@XPilotPlayer]

I remember seeing a video adding a mod (not sure if it is firestorm) and it increases the chain by 2 more targets.

[@Malurth]

yea that was misinfo lol. nothing in the game does that.

[@hatenasjunjou4651]

Subbed thank u sir

[@Nova_Keiser]

Doing God's work, holy shit

[@koboldprime2257]

So I've been away for more than a year and got back and found people arguing about the same nonsense... Then I find this mad lad just dropping simus to help us visualize what's happening I feel like Gordon Ramsay right now: Finally some good f* content

[@liluc3695]

I think my biggest takeaway here is not the logic behind the primed Firestorm but more with the fact that Multishot doesnt work on it

[@moonominyi998]

who're you? what're you? where have you been???? subbed

[@Kfiekwlwlflflckkg]

bro is cooking

[@ecbrd8478]

oh okay so it doesn't add extra chain length, it has the potential to add entire extra chains! i'd say i would see about slotting this into my torid, but i don't want to invest more into any infested weapons knowing what we know about what's coming

[@rowankeltizar5961]

Looking forward to the build vid. Curious to see if rifle elementalist is worth running. And what about hammer shot?

[@Malurth]

yeh those are the mods you slot when you have a lot of extra room, like no riven + don't wanna use Firestorm + using a fire rate boosting frame etc. usually they don't quite make the cut imo. but yeah I should stop spoiling my vid now 😆

[@flipy2726]

NOT THE SUBWAY SURFERS FOR MY ADHD LMAO

[@manulenjoyer]

Awesome video! The simulation is super cool, it demonstrates the AoE really well. I still have a question about multishot tho. So, from what I understand, it will only be good for the first chain, and the rest of the chains are treated as if there was no multishot, right? Or does the base damage increase from the first chain also increase the damage of the AoE?

[@Malurth]

correct in your first take; only one chain can be multishot-enabled, the AoE chains never get multishot, regardless of whether the main beam got a direct hit or not.

[@hdgdhnxbdx1619]

Leave it to the players to be better than De devs ... pls hire this guy

[@MilkShotaSasuke]

every single time i see a "content creator" make a video i double check on the wiki and in my own sims, its rare i come a cross an in depth video referencing the wiki it'self and didn't just talk about prime sure footed.

[@pokzgg]

this fucking subway surfers clip got me LOL

[@marce1fen]

Amazing video, as everyone else has said already! Separate question: As you briefly mentioned, the chains can apply headshots, and with the primed firestorm there is a considerable amount of extra targets getting chained. Why is Galvanized Scope not viable? Might as well ask about Galvanized Aptitude since im here :D

[@Malurth]

galvanized scope is viable, I use it on some of my builds where there's ample mod space. aptitude not so much; it's bugged so that its damage bonus ignores the incarnon base damage upgrade. and besides, Torid is single-element (no IPS) so aptitude just wouldn't scale very high anyway.

[@hellkaiser1366]

Yes...if your like my and like to use the normal shoot from time to time,its so ficking fun I dont care to use the incarnon sometimes

[@noahc7764]

multishot does help DRASTICALLY with charging incarnon form, only caveat i would make

[@ZEROstigma]

If Anyone is here on 11/01/25, Baro has Primed Fulmination this weekend.