Shouting in the Datacenter

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Bryan Cantrill

Bryan Cantrill

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Brendan Gregg from Sun's Fishworks team makes an interesting discovery about inducing disk latency. For a ca. 2020 retrospective on this 2008 video: • Bryan Cantrill talks S...

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@Napert
@Napert 2 жыл бұрын
"don't scream at the drives, they'll get discouraged" Should be a warning sign in every datacenter
@OfficialMurray
@OfficialMurray 2 жыл бұрын
As a data center tech I'm putting one up at every install site now thank you
@dragonfireproductions790
@dragonfireproductions790 2 жыл бұрын
I placed one on the server I worked before
@ben_jammin242
@ben_jammin242 2 жыл бұрын
Operator:"AAAHHHHHHH!!!!" Computer:"Gah!! Don't do that!...*mumbles angrily*"
@chattymatt
@chattymatt 2 жыл бұрын
discouraged, or DISKouraged?
@o.sunsfamily
@o.sunsfamily 2 жыл бұрын
@@chattymatt DISKoutraged
@azo5000
@azo5000 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why solid state drives were designed - to prevent performance degradation due to shouting.
@ThomasNimmesgern
@ThomasNimmesgern 2 жыл бұрын
That's why SSD stands for Shouting-Safe Data.
@kakyoindonut3213
@kakyoindonut3213 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasNimmesgern Shouting-Safe Drive is way official I think
@kaidwyer
@kaidwyer 2 жыл бұрын
Now if only they made gamer-fist-proof monitors, we’d be set.
@knssssss
@knssssss 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaidwyer That one, now bankrupt company (I don't remember the name) used to make GFPs for like a year or two, but they got replaced by LED (Langer Emanagement Dyes) screens.
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaidwyer gamer proof monitors used to exist. they were called crt monitors. you could take a baseball bat and hit the screen on the glass as hard as you could. and it wouldn't shatter.
@steelwitness
@steelwitness 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the old internet. This was the realest content Ive seen in years and its 13 years old. No ads, no sponsors, no 5 minute intro. Just a video of a guy with something cool he found and wanted to share with us. Their smiles and the way they carry themselves is wholesome and fun. Not taking things too seriously while still getting things done properly.
@KonEl-BlackZero
@KonEl-BlackZero 2 жыл бұрын
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@chuckiemyers
@chuckiemyers 2 жыл бұрын
Videos like that still exist stop being such a doomer
@steelwitness
@steelwitness 2 жыл бұрын
@@chuckiemyers but they don't. Not good ones
@jinxtoon68
@jinxtoon68 2 жыл бұрын
@@catsozenbut before that, wanna have a cleaner shave for the family jewels? Manscape 3.0 is the right tool for you
@PollenEye
@PollenEye 2 жыл бұрын
Just watch videos that aren't monetized
@declan5073
@declan5073 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how KZbin waited 13 years for me to go into the IT field and then show me this masterpiece
@Frogfragger100
@Frogfragger100 2 жыл бұрын
Yep right here with you my man
@micro-hacker5959
@micro-hacker5959 2 жыл бұрын
Yep right here with you my man
@alessandrorossi1294
@alessandrorossi1294 2 жыл бұрын
Yep right here with you my man
@Deadbeatcow
@Deadbeatcow 2 жыл бұрын
Yep right here with you my man
@Cneq
@Cneq 2 жыл бұрын
Yep right here with you my man
@bensomethingetc
@bensomethingetc 2 жыл бұрын
This video is perfectly 2000s, it needs to be in a museum
@user-mj1np8ei1h
@user-mj1np8ei1h 2 жыл бұрын
2009
@FaZekiller-qe3uf
@FaZekiller-qe3uf 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-mj1np8ei1h 2008*
@user-mj1np8ei1h
@user-mj1np8ei1h 2 жыл бұрын
@@FaZekiller-qe3uf 2008,5
@shlongbongchewy
@shlongbongchewy 2 жыл бұрын
​@@user-mj1np8ei1h 2009 is part of the 2000s ya twit
@moonwaystudiosVR
@moonwaystudiosVR 2 жыл бұрын
bruh he says This video is perfectly 2000s era
@M4D0GG0
@M4D0GG0 Жыл бұрын
"Disk performance degrades when yelled at" my performance also degrades when i get yelled at
@anteeko
@anteeko Жыл бұрын
Yeah relatable
@Rejomy-reAl
@Rejomy-reAl 9 ай бұрын
F
@DumbOrangeFrog
@DumbOrangeFrog 9 ай бұрын
Asian parents:
@sillygoober23
@sillygoober23 9 ай бұрын
turns out me and computers have a lot in common huh
@agentsmidt3209
@agentsmidt3209 8 ай бұрын
Any sort of meanness just hampers my drive(pun intended).
@alexanderdavenport1127
@alexanderdavenport1127 2 жыл бұрын
My father always told me never run around running computers when I was a child. "Its bad for the spinning harddrives" . Watching this 20 some odd years later made me feel somewhat satisfied.
@Infinite_Jester
@Infinite_Jester 2 жыл бұрын
Between the 40s and 80s, my grandfather worked for a bunch of companies in the tree and steel industry. One of them produced wood boards (some kind of plywood or particle wood) that you would place underneath the computer in the computer room to absorb vibrations in the building. I was always fascinated by stories like that.
@phoneyphone
@phoneyphone Жыл бұрын
DVDs and cds used to skip if you jumped/ran too
@logandunlap9156
@logandunlap9156 Жыл бұрын
i’m pretty sure that’s more of a “politely, please sit down and shut the fuck up while i’m trying to work” type of thing
@AethernaLuxen
@AethernaLuxen Жыл бұрын
Our old computer was stationed on the 2nd floor of our house, and it was made of wood We always wondered why running or jumping would cause the computer to crash, now we know
@CrunchyTire
@CrunchyTire Жыл бұрын
@@phoneyphone You gotta get that walkman portable CD player with anti skip protection. Truly ahead of its time.
@CICADASECURITY
@CICADASECURITY 12 жыл бұрын
While developing our technology, we discovered that the siren tone we used in our initial version would cause a number of laptops to Bluescreen due to persistent Read / Write failures. As it turns out that most drives are sensitive to sounds below 100Hz or neat 1kHz. We adapted our siren pattern and eliminated the problem. We found this video after the fact.. In hindsight, I wish we found this before all the headaches.
@gasun1274
@gasun1274 2 жыл бұрын
there was a certain laptop that would specifically crash entirely if you play a song from the 90s near it.
@AksoAmaral
@AksoAmaral 2 жыл бұрын
@@gasun1274 Rhythm Nation, Janet Jackson, to be especific hahaha
@dementedpeep
@dementedpeep 2 жыл бұрын
Soo serious question, I like to bass really hard to the point the walls shake a tad bit, and i'm having a problem with HHD's getting way more wear to them than they should be in my room... (SSD however is fine ) could this be the reason why? I'm basically ruining my drives with bass? lol
@SUNNYCLOUDBUNNY
@SUNNYCLOUDBUNNY 2 жыл бұрын
@@dementedpeep I am also interested in this question because I have a subwoofer on my desk beside my PC -- after watching this video I am mildly concerned about the concept of prematurely wearing my HDD due to excessive bass when I record/produce music and use the sub at higher volumes.
@CICADASECURITY
@CICADASECURITY 2 жыл бұрын
@@dementedpeep ABSOLUTELY... Go SSD all the way if you like bass... but it is not specifically bass which is the problem. There are specific frequencies which cause resonance in the head assembly. When we were developing our technology we hit one of them, and it caused irrecoverable R/W errors on the drives.
@arushsharma6556
@arushsharma6556 Жыл бұрын
This reminded me of my father's lab; my father is a seismologist. I would jump where the seismograph sensors were located and it created 10-11 level earthquake readings on seismograph. Such fun times.
@monks311
@monks311 Жыл бұрын
You probably gave your dad mini heart attacks lol good times I bet
@EpicBunty
@EpicBunty Жыл бұрын
time to go on a diet then mr mini kong.
@micahshelley4525
@micahshelley4525 9 ай бұрын
My man a magnitude 11 earthquake is equivalent to a world-ending asteroid impact.
@SorinOltean77
@SorinOltean77 7 ай бұрын
pretty sure you are the reason why bringing kids to a seismology lab is nowadays forbidden.
@antonyc.7173
@antonyc.7173 6 ай бұрын
That doesn’t sound like a healthy weight…
@klauztigr
@klauztigr 8 жыл бұрын
Even soullsess machine cant work properly when it`s being shouted at
@Omisis046
@Omisis046 7 жыл бұрын
Also don't watch them while they are working. ;D
@n0xx295
@n0xx295 6 жыл бұрын
Hard drives aren't usually red headed.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 4 жыл бұрын
@@n0xx295 Except the shitty WD SMR-by-stealth Red ones :-( Bastards...
@zeniththetoaster9712
@zeniththetoaster9712 2 жыл бұрын
We're not soulless >:(
@al-to2sx
@al-to2sx 2 жыл бұрын
even a worm will turn
@jarrodvsinclair
@jarrodvsinclair 8 жыл бұрын
There was a very popular online photo service that was having cooling issues in their datacenter. They brought in some large floor fans to help cool it down while they waited for repairs. Within 8 hours they were in a full panic as they have lost 40% of the disks in that whitespace. Well one guy started mapping out the lost drive physical location and realized that servers that were within a few feet of the fans had almost complete disk loss. Vibration is Hard Disk killer.
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 2 жыл бұрын
Jarrod, spot on. Had one question come up about a loss of performance after adding a bunch of new disks to the arrays, I asked: what's the harmonic frequency of the spin rates between old drives versus the new? I love when interviewers ask real questions, and begin texting other engineers. And the look, "that… is unexpected" when the responses come back.
@float32
@float32 2 жыл бұрын
Was it vibration, or the pulsating magnetic fields?
@jarrodvsinclair
@jarrodvsinclair 2 жыл бұрын
@@float32 vibration. If the read/write head were a Boeing 747, and the hard-disk platter the surface of the Earth: The head would fly at Mach 800; At less than one centimeter from the ground
@float32
@float32 2 жыл бұрын
@@jarrodvsinclair why did you stop there? Follow through with the analogy. That cm of air acts as a nearly impenetrable boundary layer, applying millions of lbs of force, as the Boeing approaches the ground. Heads only crash when drives stop spinning, or you apply massive g forces by dropping it to the ground. Tracking errors are *easy*, which is what this yelling, and almost certainly the fans, would be causing. There’s no protection for alternating magnetic fields though. That’s how you make a degausser.
@sjm4306
@sjm4306 2 жыл бұрын
@@float32 inverse square law and comparing induced emi magnitude to the remanence of the platter coating. I'm more likely to believe damage was caused by physical vibration sooner than oscillating magnetic field generated by a synchronous motor in an ac fan.
@Average_Josh
@Average_Josh 2 жыл бұрын
He is so happy because he finally has a cause for his latency issues. I have felt that relief before and the fact he had to make a video to prove the issue is just a testament to how unreal the cause ended up being.
@n646n
@n646n 2 жыл бұрын
Where does it say he has latency issues?
@nagrom97
@nagrom97 Жыл бұрын
Now the next step in the latency investigation is figuring out who comes in to the datacentre on a regular basis and screams at the JBODs
@UnbelievablyBased
@UnbelievablyBased Жыл бұрын
Now to find out who is shouting in the datacenter all the time to cause those issues he was sent to investigate.
@cam5816
@cam5816 Жыл бұрын
@@nagrom97I know it definitely isn’t me. Maybe Obama?
@thefonzkiss
@thefonzkiss Жыл бұрын
@@cam5816 15 year old joke but it’s a 15 year old video so I guess you get a pass.
@MikeDanko
@MikeDanko 10 жыл бұрын
This video is now six years old. If you aren't aware, Brendan and Bryan are amongst the top tier engineers in the world, but more importantly, they made this video of them death metal screaming into disk arrays. I came to watch this for nostalgic reasons this evening, and it was certainly great. I think it's just as important as anything to say that they're still two guys that yell into servers for fun even to this day. They're also probably on my top ten list of serious engineers who are also seriously approachable. The world needs more people who can think like this.
@wullxz
@wullxz 10 жыл бұрын
could you post that link of the death metal at disk arrays video? i'm really curious ^^
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Danko But these days, they yell "F*** you, Larry!!!!11!!" ;-)
@Gametherapist
@Gametherapist 5 жыл бұрын
Six years you say? huh.. it's been a while. This video is about as old as I've been on KZbin.
@javaguru7141
@javaguru7141 4 жыл бұрын
@@tsaarno He's literally talking about this video
@Llirik13
@Llirik13 4 жыл бұрын
This comment is now six years old.
@Aranimda
@Aranimda 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes hard disks are just like humans. They're vulnerable, sometimes forgetful, dutiful, hard working and don't like to be shouted at.
@jaskajokunen3716
@jaskajokunen3716 2 жыл бұрын
And sometimes they just die early in their lifespan
@Peter_Parker361
@Peter_Parker361 2 жыл бұрын
And normal twins (Raid 1) are way healthier than conjoined twins (Raid 0) ^^
@Solanuma
@Solanuma Жыл бұрын
i too forget what i was supposed to do while playing around with magnets
@xChimkin
@xChimkin Жыл бұрын
they stop working when struck by lightning
@Diabhork
@Diabhork Жыл бұрын
and in the modern day, they're getting replaced by a superior alternative
@milokiss8276
@milokiss8276 Жыл бұрын
"DO NOT SHOUT AT THE DRIVES" He warns, Having to shout over the ambient noise.
@needoriginalname
@needoriginalname 2 жыл бұрын
You know, if someone did this in an AWS datacenter, it would give a whole new meaning to "Old Man yells at Cloud" meme.
@ktburger659
@ktburger659 2 жыл бұрын
underrated comment
@needoriginalname
@needoriginalname 2 жыл бұрын
@@ktburger659 thanks
@Xevailo
@Xevailo Жыл бұрын
Dang, came here to comment just about the same thing :D
@lewismitchel9678
@lewismitchel9678 Жыл бұрын
Very clever
@amahlaka
@amahlaka 6 ай бұрын
Dammit, i was a year too late.
@Napoleon_Blownapart
@Napoleon_Blownapart 8 жыл бұрын
I kept screaming at my laptop trying to kick in the HDD protection... My parents ran inside my room thinking i was being murdered. Now they think i am insane.
@TheLukasDirector
@TheLukasDirector 8 жыл бұрын
That's what counts.
@HazewinDog
@HazewinDog 8 жыл бұрын
After reading this, I too think you're insane xD
@fsmoura
@fsmoura 7 жыл бұрын
Could be worse; they could be now _wishing_ you were murdered.
@supertren
@supertren 6 жыл бұрын
did you take measures of your HDD i/o ?
@hungryhungryhummer
@hungryhungryhummer 5 жыл бұрын
I broke 2 hdds trying this
@mildlyannoyed1
@mildlyannoyed1 2 жыл бұрын
Always remember to whisper sweet secrets to the machine spirit, as it does not like to be shouted at.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 ай бұрын
yes whisper the machine is sensitive to shouting🤣🤣
@lockerzFITTOME
@lockerzFITTOME 9 жыл бұрын
Don't do this at home. Sure i've got datacenter in my room...
@ihatenumberinemail
@ihatenumberinemail 9 жыл бұрын
Home lab.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 8 жыл бұрын
+ThisIs MyName (Poin)Dexter's Lab :-)
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka 7 жыл бұрын
today i got 4x VTrak m500f, i have absolulty no idea how to use thoes things besides taking out hdd's for spare parts :D And that i need SunSolaris or Windows 2003 server for thoes old beasts
@LedoCool1
@LedoCool1 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's a top notch server machine in my house I use as toilet paper stand.
@GG-lw4fv
@GG-lw4fv 5 жыл бұрын
...don't allow excessive noise and vibrations around ANY non-ssd drive is the lesson :|
@chuckritola
@chuckritola 8 жыл бұрын
Had this happen in a recording studio: A guitar amp was being tracked in the same room as the drive and the DAW kept complaining that the disks couldn't keep up. The amp had to stay so the drive was placed on a piece of foam and the problem went away. Turned out the floor vibration from the amp was interfering with the drive.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 жыл бұрын
and people wonder why ssd's are taking over cause those mech drives can't take any vibrations at all
@Sigma_Eight
@Sigma_Eight 2 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 SSD's took over because of their incredible speed benefits and longevity. Not because HDD's were susceptible to vibration. Lol
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sigma_Eight um yes that also helps them an ssd can take hits that a mech drive cannot and keep on going so it can handle vibrations like my shits in the toilet can
@fakeemail4005
@fakeemail4005 2 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 Why do you have HDDs in your bathroom?
@buddyclem7328
@buddyclem7328 2 жыл бұрын
@@fakeemail4005 🤷🏻‍♂️ That's just how she rolls...I guess. 👩‍💻🚽🧻🧻🧻
@mrActionhouse
@mrActionhouse Жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video, expecting to hear the disks making music
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 ай бұрын
do ssd's do the same thing in a data center?🤔
@BrendanGregg
@BrendanGregg 12 жыл бұрын
It was Sun Storage Appliance 7000 Analytics. Now called Oracle ZFS Storage Appliance Analytics. In particular, I was showing heat maps of disk I/O latency - which are crucial for examining the full distribution of latency over time. Similar heat maps are now in Joyent Cloud Analytics. In both cases they used DTrace to fetch the data.
@harriehausenman8623
@harriehausenman8623 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Teddemeister
@Teddemeister 2 жыл бұрын
@@harriehausenman8623 9 years later he finally gets a "thanks" for his knowledge, feels good
@bigul_siwach
@bigul_siwach 2 жыл бұрын
Ohh he's the same guy 😨
@oShadowkun
@oShadowkun 2 жыл бұрын
Incase y'all didn't catch it, this is the guy in the video.
@leftysheppey
@leftysheppey 2 жыл бұрын
@@Teddemeister 9 years ago was probably before youtube comments work like they do now. They didn't use to be nested threads, so early discussions were an absolute nightmare
@XiciousZ
@XiciousZ 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like a time traveller accidentally stumbling on an ancient video yet I still learned about how vibration can affect the disk
@enricmm85
@enricmm85 2 жыл бұрын
We use SSD drives nowadays. HDD drives are slowly fading away.
@stanleybochenek1862
@stanleybochenek1862 2 жыл бұрын
The more you know
@Wockes
@Wockes 2 жыл бұрын
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 For now, 10 years from now kids won't know what an HDD even looks like
@TetanusSnowfall
@TetanusSnowfall 3 ай бұрын
"This is not special effects." Brother, I didn't doubt you for even a second.
@davidkleegeek
@davidkleegeek 2 жыл бұрын
It's been 14 years since you released this, and I still enjoy it. Thank you!
@realcartoongirl
@realcartoongirl 2 жыл бұрын
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@michaelmonstar4276
@michaelmonstar4276 2 жыл бұрын
12
@aSnugglyDuckling
@aSnugglyDuckling 2 жыл бұрын
11
@trannel73
@trannel73 2 жыл бұрын
10
@shinymarvin3067
@shinymarvin3067 2 жыл бұрын
In the 14 years i got putin, VICTORY FOR UKRAINE
@Slay1337pl
@Slay1337pl 8 жыл бұрын
Aww, you startled the disks...
@Cheetahs
@Cheetahs Жыл бұрын
this would actually be a very effective teaching video to show to networking students learning the importance of 'stable' servers
@htwingnut
@htwingnut 8 жыл бұрын
You hurt their feelings.
@Samuca1300
@Samuca1300 6 жыл бұрын
SSDs have no feelings, so today it should be safe to do that. :)
@samsmith9764
@samsmith9764 6 жыл бұрын
Poor lil guys ;~;
@ferrari2k
@ferrari2k 3 жыл бұрын
@@Samuca1300 Yeah, sure, I will buy several TB of SSDs... Unlike some other people, I have to work for my money :D
@camelCased
@camelCased 5 жыл бұрын
Do they start spinning faster when you whisper nice words to them? "Oh, my precious disk drive, spin faster, faster!"
@cranknlesdesires
@cranknlesdesires 4 жыл бұрын
I tried this, quite dangerous as the disk came loose and exited the room via a burning hole it made in the roof. On the bright side though, for a brief moment it was transferring several gigabytes a second.
@anhduc0913
@anhduc0913 2 жыл бұрын
@@cranknlesdesires Pretty sure 2 years ago gigabyte transfer speed is already a thing on SSD at least.
@buddyclem7328
@buddyclem7328 2 жыл бұрын
"Come to me fledgling! Come to Vladistas!" -from the movie Bram Stoker's Dracula.
@cameronbigley7483
@cameronbigley7483 2 жыл бұрын
@@anhduc0913 I'd assume that he was talking in retrospect.
@um8078
@um8078 Жыл бұрын
youtube in 2024: let's recommend this again
@BADESTPIE1-ESK5
@BADESTPIE1-ESK5 Ай бұрын
you tube in 2025: let's recommend this again
@EmanueleSantoro
@EmanueleSantoro 5 жыл бұрын
Even after years, watching this video is always a mystical experience
@MikeDawson1
@MikeDawson1 10 жыл бұрын
But you can still yell at your SSD's!
@tincugabriel8320
@tincugabriel8320 6 жыл бұрын
they won't listen the same way a disk drive would :(
@richandrews
@richandrews 4 жыл бұрын
The universe is yelling at them with cosmic rays. So the concept still applies.
@MikeDawson1
@MikeDawson1 4 жыл бұрын
@@richandrews that built-in ECC though...
@drmic3401
@drmic3401 4 жыл бұрын
SSD = Shout Safe Disk
@MikeDawson1
@MikeDawson1 4 жыл бұрын
@@drmic3401 genius!
@mkloven101
@mkloven101 2 жыл бұрын
Why is this in my recommended 14 years later? I love it
@locust76
@locust76 10 жыл бұрын
If you made "Don't shout at your JBODs!" T-Shirts, you'd make millions.
@paulk8io445
@paulk8io445 2 жыл бұрын
I had a data center on the top floor of a 150 year old brick building, next to a railroad track, two rail lines actually. We got a lot of hdd failures that I was convinced was the vibration. Random raid fails that a rebuild would fix. You could see monitors wiggle on the far end of the building from the tracks. Glad to be gone from there.
@drac124
@drac124 2 жыл бұрын
How laptop hdd can stand the users shacking all the time?
@ReptilianLepton
@ReptilianLepton 2 жыл бұрын
@@drac124 Laptop 2.5" drives have active protection against head crashes that enterprise 2.5" SAS drives and typical 3.5" drives of all flavors lack. This is also one of many reasons why flash storage is preferred for laptops these days.
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o 2 жыл бұрын
@@drac124 The vibrations from the train passing by might not be as large in magnitude, but it's all about acceleration (you'd probably have to hit the laptop pretty hard on something to replicate the kind of acceleration the shaking from train can cause)
@fishabyss753
@fishabyss753 Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite videos on the internet, I watch every time it shows up in my recommended.
@00011theman
@00011theman 9 жыл бұрын
Went through a datacenter tour today and the manager referenced this video so I figured I needed to see it
@Ongomar
@Ongomar 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I've been recommended this video almost 14 years after it was uploaded, but it's given me some refreshing new information
@GilZu
@GilZu 2 жыл бұрын
Same and I believe this video is older than 14 years old
@Cneq
@Cneq 2 жыл бұрын
*refreshing old information This is some of the most archaic shit that it needs to be taught in computing history class lmao this is not how it is nowadays.
@nizm0man
@nizm0man 2 жыл бұрын
14 years later, still being informative.
@someguy4915
@someguy4915 8 жыл бұрын
Spending your day in the DC, shouting at the storage arrays :D
@thesupervisordj
@thesupervisordj 7 жыл бұрын
That's a classy way of not being allowed in anymore.
@asa_williams
@asa_williams 16 жыл бұрын
This research was already done at Sun Microsystems a couple years ago (2). They got the same results. This is why they use vibration dampeners on the fans. It would also be a good idea to use water cooling, or just go with a solid state drives if you have the money
@lotusofdeath1881
@lotusofdeath1881 2 жыл бұрын
exactly i have read that research too.
@pabanoid
@pabanoid 2 жыл бұрын
Still about the money if you looking at SSD. hehe
@yezhishen3022
@yezhishen3022 2 жыл бұрын
@@pabanoid SSDs today are cheaper than HDDs 13 years ago
@fuz5567
@fuz5567 2 жыл бұрын
hell yeah! somebody else with the name Asa!
@theseagullwithteeth116
@theseagullwithteeth116 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone responding like this comment ain’t 13 years old 😂
@lowflyingdonut
@lowflyingdonut 2 ай бұрын
one of my favorites of all time. I'm so glad the KZbin algorithm brings this back to me every couple years so I don't forget. The one good thing it does.
@carbrand109
@carbrand109 2 жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of my favorite top ten things to do in a data center
@No-mq5lw
@No-mq5lw Жыл бұрын
Just for reference, that 1 server he yelled at could hold a maximum of 24TB of data, and would be about $27k if Sun's $1/Gb marketing is to be believed. Nowadays, all that hard drive storage could genuinely fit in the space of your toaster and is reasonably affordable for a single person.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Жыл бұрын
does this work with ssd's?🤣🤣🤣
@Brent-jj6qi
@Brent-jj6qi 8 ай бұрын
@@SaraMorgan-ym6uenope, SSDs aren’t doing insanely fast spinning
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 Жыл бұрын
I love the KZbin waited to show me this until practically every new computer has an SSD instead of a spinning drive anyway lol.
@BState
@BState 6 жыл бұрын
I have a large subwoofer, originally from my car, connected to my computer. On one occasion, I played music at nearly 70% of the subwoofer's maximum volume capacity, which resulted in a BSOD. The low frequency sound waves from the subwoofer vibrated the HDD (Hard Disk) so much that it got damaged. Thankfully I've had a backup of the drive. The solution to be able to use the subwoofer at high volumes with the pc, was an SSD.
@lotusofdeath1881
@lotusofdeath1881 2 жыл бұрын
you what?
@andreasjoannai6441
@andreasjoannai6441 Жыл бұрын
Just wait till you accidentally find a resonant frequency for those nand chips, I bet that same frequency will also cause problems with the rest of your computer.
@BState
@BState Жыл бұрын
@@andreasjoannai6441 The resonant frequency of NAND chips typically falls into the higher end and outside the audible range of human hearing, way beyond subwoofer-related frequencies. Sub sound frequencies are incapable of resonating them. A HDD is a totally different story though.
@andreasjoannai6441
@andreasjoannai6441 Жыл бұрын
@@BState If you can find a resonant frequency for HDD's, in theory you could also find one for CPU fans or any other spinning object.
@BState
@BState Жыл бұрын
@@andreasjoannai6441 Of course you can. But, again, the resonant frequency (specifically of NAND chips) falls into the higher end of the sound frequencies and outside the audible range of human hearing, way beyond subwoofer-related frequencies. The reading needles in a HDD are susceptible by lower up to middle frequencies. On the other hand, NAND chips would need a high frequency so strong that probably no current twitter-speakers can produce. Subwoofers are incapable of producing so high frequencies since their range is typically from around 20 Hz to 200 Hz. The upper limit of human hearing is often considered to be around 20,000 Hz (20 kHz), while beyond the range of human hearing, there are ultrasonic frequencies used in various applications such as medical imaging, industrial processes, and animal communication. These frequencies typically start from around 20,000 Hz and extend into the megahertz (MHz) range and these are the ones that can actually influence NAND chips, if strong enough.
@2Sor2Fig
@2Sor2Fig 2 жыл бұрын
This has brought me an indescribable amount of joy.
@TheZeroLatitud
@TheZeroLatitud 2 жыл бұрын
This guy: shouting at hard drives 3 million people: interesting
@The.Drunk-Koala
@The.Drunk-Koala 2 жыл бұрын
Legend has it 13 years later old mate is still shouting in the datacenter
@Yeenuwu
@Yeenuwu Ай бұрын
This would be a 30 minute video with 2 minutes of actual content now.
@TheUboni
@TheUboni 2 ай бұрын
I'm here from 2024.... This was a fantastic experience all around. Highly recommend this video to all new folks coming into the IT industry.
@Casanova_999
@Casanova_999 2 жыл бұрын
Love the 14 year old videos finally getting their time to shine with actual information that makes a difference.
@techalyzer
@techalyzer 2 жыл бұрын
As an IT professional myself, this is what IT really is all about.
@Blast-Forward
@Blast-Forward 2 жыл бұрын
What is IT about?
@tomasprochazka6198
@tomasprochazka6198 Жыл бұрын
@@Blast-Forward It's totally about this!
@arthurizando
@arthurizando Жыл бұрын
14 years later, KZbin recommends this. Perfect algorithm
@celebrityscience7764
@celebrityscience7764 16 жыл бұрын
Yes, and yes. DTrace (the feature that makes this analytics magic happen) is available in both these operating systems. The Sun 7000 series storage appliance in the video is based on OpenSolaris. A large amount of Sun server hardware is supported for Linux and Win2K3 as well.
@strangevisions5162
@strangevisions5162 2 жыл бұрын
Sun What?😂
@memes_gbc674
@memes_gbc674 2 жыл бұрын
@@strangevisions5162 sun microsystems, the guys who brought the world java and sparc
@JohnGardnerAlhadis
@JohnGardnerAlhadis 2 жыл бұрын
@@memes_gbc674 And Doors. And ZFS.
@maximumnoise78
@maximumnoise78 8 жыл бұрын
True story i used to live near brendan and was mates with him and his brother around 18 years ago, we used to get on it and talk computer talk, somehow i stumbled across this video and its a spinout seeing him again, apart from the goatee and filling out he hasnt changed a bit! Small world
@sharks445
@sharks445 8 жыл бұрын
damn
@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475
@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475 Жыл бұрын
Wow... R u guys still alive ?
@mooyoul
@mooyoul Ай бұрын
I never expected to see Brendan Gregg in a randomly recommended video like this. He's one of the legendary engineers I think, and his book “Systems Performance” is the best performance optimization book out there. Also, the cloud systems analysis he blogged about while he was at Netflix was amazing, and I learned a lot from him. I know most of the comments on this video are in response to the meme, but I want to point out that he's actually a legendary engineer.
@LOLHICRONO
@LOLHICRONO 8 жыл бұрын
i had my volume turned up and then the video started...
@xdptwin5343
@xdptwin5343 8 жыл бұрын
My hearing is now slightly worse than it was :D
@2Hard2Core
@2Hard2Core 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah and my HDD crashed instantly!...
@d12kiem7
@d12kiem7 3 жыл бұрын
my teacher showed me this in class. really cool. it was to demonstrate how sensitive computers are to vibrations as you just deomonstrated
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta show it to the folks punching their desktops.
@SuperhotdogZz
@SuperhotdogZz 2 жыл бұрын
@@JonatasAdoM just get one of those old laptop and wave it around when it is transferring files
@le9038
@le9038 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: a similar effect also happens as well in places outside of the data center like when a boss is shouting at a coworker.
@wontonschannel
@wontonschannel 2 жыл бұрын
He's got the vocal inflection of a news reporter in a very strong storm
@Scar654
@Scar654 8 жыл бұрын
Leaked season finale of Mr. Robot season 3.
@Rebecc4choi
@Rebecc4choi Жыл бұрын
This is beautiful. I am here 14 years later and still very appreciative.
@izzafiramdhani4486
@izzafiramdhani4486 2 жыл бұрын
SSD : "shut up i'm working"
@danielmcpherson9062
@danielmcpherson9062 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from 1 minute in the future
@vex86bird
@vex86bird 9 жыл бұрын
It's been quite a while since I've seen this video. Still funny and most people don't stop to think how amazing the logic involved on read/write heads are to correct for vibration!
@the-real-random-person
@the-real-random-person Жыл бұрын
I miss the old times, you straight get the video and the content without ads I would love get this back today..
@adhoc_moniker1735
@adhoc_moniker1735 2 жыл бұрын
One of our customers once stopped their entire operations because they thought it was a good idea to use a drill on their storage rack. They were installing a new appliance and it didn't quite fit. This was a major exam labs franchise in Brazil. Fun times.
@DsiakMondala
@DsiakMondala Жыл бұрын
Unimed?
@adhoc_moniker1735
@adhoc_moniker1735 Жыл бұрын
DASA @@DsiakMondala
@Trump_y_Gore_Won
@Trump_y_Gore_Won 2 жыл бұрын
And I thought only the walls had ears. Here's a big "shout out" to you (no pun intended)! And yes, this video really has been up for 13 years! Amazing.
@harriehausenman8623
@harriehausenman8623 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@Nyekomaru
@Nyekomaru Жыл бұрын
"In a data center no one can hear you scream"
@DmitriiMaslov
@DmitriiMaslov 8 жыл бұрын
He was the Dragonborn before TES became Skyrim
@SixOhFive
@SixOhFive 11 ай бұрын
Now I know why I lost so many hard drives in my music studio, the 15" subwoofer
@MrAeral
@MrAeral Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how this video has those 2000s vibes. This is the exact thing you need to watch right now. I like my KZbin recommendations.
@Sunprism
@Sunprism 2 жыл бұрын
Let's just appreciate all the advances in culture and technology that have led to this moment of an Irish man yelling into a box to take away it's powers
@jackcallahan1848
@jackcallahan1848 2 жыл бұрын
Love his enthusiasm and excitement about the subject
@claybones1337
@claybones1337 8 ай бұрын
This video makes me so thankful for many different advances from.... Flash, Haircuts, video stabilization. :) Love it!
@danielmantell3084
@danielmantell3084 2 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious. I'm gonna do this the next time I'm in the datacenter. Too bad we run SSD now so it wouldn't do anything, but it will still be fun.
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector 2 жыл бұрын
You just have to tune your screaming to the resonant frequency of the ceramic caps.
@vincentmackinnon3601
@vincentmackinnon3601 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lemon_Inspector What foes that mean and how do you that like on mthybusters when they treid to build teslas earthquake machince?
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincentmackinnon3601 Would you like me to call you an ambulance?
@buddyclem7328
@buddyclem7328 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lemon_Inspector I don't know. Sure one leg, one arm, and half my face aren't working anymore, but I'm doing fine! (Tries to leave room, but falls after first step.)
@Peytopskiddlybop
@Peytopskiddlybop 9 жыл бұрын
I think Microsoft does this to their servers
@JamesBos
@JamesBos 8 жыл бұрын
Yep, every time Steve Ballmer walks into the server room jumping up and down!
@hariranormal5584
@hariranormal5584 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesBos LOL
@Koda.1312
@Koda.1312 Жыл бұрын
I thought I'd never see this video again! I remember being recommended it shortly after it was uploaded... and now 14 years later, it's happened again.
@mrbiff2you576
@mrbiff2you576 11 жыл бұрын
Every DC engineer has screamed at his disks. It is a right of passage.
@hariranormal5584
@hariranormal5584 2 жыл бұрын
Especially ES.2 Constellations.
@TIOLIOfficial
@TIOLIOfficial 9 ай бұрын
Alternate title: Dude verbally abuses hard drives.
@monado550
@monado550 2 ай бұрын
I cannot thank you enough for this video. A few years back I entertained my friends by showing them how my phone would lag and the screen refresh rate bug when shouting at it. I was never able to replicate it on newer models. Thank you for proving to me I am not some sort of genetic freak and that it was, in fact, normal tech behavior. As a matter of fact, screaming at anything will dampen its productivity.
@nlk294
@nlk294 2 жыл бұрын
When you think about it, it is incredible that this (or other vibrations) doesn't permanentely damage them although the head is just 3nm over the disk.
@BrendanGregg
@BrendanGregg 12 жыл бұрын
no, I've spoken to hard drive manufacturers about it - load noises or vibrations are a well known problem for rotational disks. If you'd like to read more about it, look up "Effects of Data Center Vibration on Compute System Performance" by Julian Turner, USENIX, 2010.
@nucleargoofball8043
@nucleargoofball8043 2 жыл бұрын
"Well known problem" * cites a book source * Don't you know regular, everyday people don't read books?
@Andika-uy5ir
@Andika-uy5ir 2 жыл бұрын
@@nucleargoofball8043 Even though I can agree with you, but dude, you just replied to a 9 years old comment. Things surely have changed, and people are different. And now I'm also in the reply section ಠಿ_ಠಿ
@nucleargoofball8043
@nucleargoofball8043 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andika-uy5ir Name me one boomer who reads books and cites sources. It's only going to be teachers, man. Things are still the same.
@Andika-uy5ir
@Andika-uy5ir 2 жыл бұрын
@@nucleargoofball8043 I'm pretty sure most undergraduate students have to deal with academic papers, at some point.
@nucleargoofball8043
@nucleargoofball8043 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andika-uy5ir Then allow me to broaden my statement and include that citing sources is strictly limited to academics. Christ, man, it doesn't disprove my point at all. The average American isn't an academic. They're not looking to prove anything. And if they are, they're highly likely going to be guilty of searching only for material that proves their point. Confirmation bias and all that.
@drpogo488
@drpogo488 2 жыл бұрын
the algorithm at the end of the year, showing me videos from 14 years ago.
@Internethoarder454
@Internethoarder454 11 жыл бұрын
Note to self; Figure out a way to get into a data center and just start yelling at their hard-drives.
@imbenzenker
@imbenzenker 2 жыл бұрын
This man is a gift to society
@wolfen1628
@wolfen1628 Жыл бұрын
I love how youtube waited 14 years to show me this masterpeice
@digitalairaire
@digitalairaire 2 жыл бұрын
Who’s here after the news about the Janet Jackson song that causes disks to fail?
@hw7640
@hw7640 2 жыл бұрын
Guilty.
@reda-w4g
@reda-w4g 2 жыл бұрын
Yip
@jonreyes8254
@jonreyes8254 2 жыл бұрын
I encountered the same issue with servers I installed and maintained at a data center in LA where they had a smoke emergency due to an air conditioner starting a fan belt fire. The halon systems deployed. The frequencies that the halon emitted destroyed 22 of 44 hard disk drives in multiple servers. Upon lab analysis of the hard disk drives, they could see where the disk puck (a.k.a. disk head) impacted the platters. That must have been one loud explosion!
@MaxLai_0104
@MaxLai_0104 Жыл бұрын
as a data centre, can confirm he was shouting
@sengork
@sengork 11 жыл бұрын
We have to update our datacenter guidelines. Thanks for the heads up, no shouting in datacenter from now on.
@anchorbubba
@anchorbubba 7 жыл бұрын
valve hires employees to scream at their tf2 item servers
@notthatplease
@notthatplease Жыл бұрын
What do you expect? If I'm at work in my little cube and someone suddenly screams at me I'll be much less productive
@TrueMegaManiac
@TrueMegaManiac 9 жыл бұрын
Trying it at home is probably fine so long as you aren't dragonborn.
@CuthbertNibbles
@CuthbertNibbles 9 жыл бұрын
+TrueMegaManiac FUS-ROH-DA-shit.
8 жыл бұрын
Funny thing. I can feel the hard drive working by putting my hand on the desk (or the computer case). Funny thing 2: If I tried shouting I think I would scare to death my very old neighbor. Yeah, that's motivation enough for me. A classic a-hole and their family too.
@CuthbertNibbles
@CuthbertNibbles 8 жыл бұрын
labobo copy a huge file and "feel up" your computer while it's moving. Then, find out why it does that using only Wikipedia. In a few hours, you'll know 10X more about your PC than you thought possible.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 8 жыл бұрын
+Cuthbert Nibbles The rabbit hole is much, much deeper than you thought....
@doodskie999
@doodskie999 2 жыл бұрын
This was peak 2000's Man I wish we could go back to this timeline
@joseaugustodasilvagoncal-su5fu
@joseaugustodasilvagoncal-su5fu 9 ай бұрын
I've never live those times (not fully sentient, that is) How different were those times compared to nowadays? Specially college life
@joseaugustodasilvagoncal-su5fu
@joseaugustodasilvagoncal-su5fu 8 ай бұрын
@JN-so6wt bro understands basic cause and effect
@albertopeixoto
@albertopeixoto Жыл бұрын
"We determined that your hearing loss and tinnitus are not work related"
@HippieSmasher
@HippieSmasher 16 жыл бұрын
For the love of pete, I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes... that's absolutely awesome. And that software is awesome.
@StefanoKocka
@StefanoKocka 4 жыл бұрын
Firefox 2 + WebDeveloper Toolbar, good old times
@SaltWaterDrums
@SaltWaterDrums Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how I got here but I did enjoy it.
@gen_angry
@gen_angry 6 ай бұрын
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