Showgirls - re:View

Hey look! It's that movie everybody hates from that director that everybody loves. It's Showgirls! Now several decades after its release, Showgirls has had many reappraisals over the years but not by these two dim witted slobs. Is Showgirls a misunderstood camp classic or a genuinely terrible movie? Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between. Enjoy the video before KZbin shadowbans it!!!

[@hocuspocusfocus6229]

"Paul Verhoeven approaches sexuality in Showgirls, the exact same way he approaches violence in Robocop" That should have been in the movie poster. It would have been a critical success.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

Seeing those parallel shots between Showgirls and Robocop was as shocking as the parallels between Breaking Bad and Malcolm in the Middle.

[@paulinegallagher7821]

@@DeflatingAtheism lol thats a good comparison.

[@theoutlaw486]

I couldn't contain myself during that bit, fucking hahahaah,

[@tartrazine5]

21:40

[@kingslayer2999]

Showgirls is a unappreciated Masterpiece imo

[@toddc7450]

"Just two dudes, watching Showgirls"

[@KKBDesignStudio]

On 2 separate couches 'coz they're not gay.

[@Roger-fs5yo]

​@@KKBDesignStudioI bet Jay looked at Rich and said..... I like ya and I want ya🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@drownthepoor]

It's a pretty great movie. Norm McDonald even gives it a 10. I've watched it with my Grandmother back in the day.

[@SGFTI]

​@@KKBDesignStudio They never said they're not gay, just not a gay couple. They're in an open relationship.

[@turnerlarson12]

I'm glad that they put their pants back on during the discussion

[@nyyfandan]

"Everybody got AIDS and shit" one of the most iconic cinema lines of all time

[@ellis7622]

“Nobodies got AIDS! I don’t wanna hear that word in here again!”

[@CandieP]

😆😆😆

[@kameltoh9817]

Is it iconic? Or is it just the last line of the video so the only one you can remember, you drunk hobo?

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

@@CandieP lol

[@StarOfElyon]

sings: EVERYONE HAS AIDS. AIDS AIDS AIDS!

[@MateoMarine]

"It's like watching a Spanish soap opera. You don't understand what anyone is saying, but they have so many emotions." That is perfect.

[@ladivinapr]

Learn spanish then, like we learn english.😑

[@etsequentia6765]

@@ladivinapr To watch soap operas? Not worth the trouble.

[@Porterhaus94]

Woolie when explaining Faro opera badly

[@MateoMarine]

oh ffs. Ok, change that to Klingon Soap opera as not to offend anyone.@@ladivinapr

[@devintariel3769]

DIFFERENT PLACES ALRIGHT?!

[@mapk1516]

I think it was quite bold for Rich Evans to reenact the graphic sex scenes from Showgirls, but it really shows how much of a method actor he truly is.

[@sebastianplank6466]

Give it up for Jay taking it like a champ!

[@somerandolad]

Hollywood wishes they could take him back.

[@tomatkinson4880]

He even got AIDS and shit!

[@backwardthoughts1022]

bazookas

[@viridiansignal]

They don't call him Dick the Birthday Boy for nothing

[@Fe22234]

How unexpected Jay wanting to talk about a sex pervert movie.

[@driftless7134]

For science.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

It reminds me of Lifeforce.

[@Khazuki_]

I'm just shocked Mike isn't in on this

[@genewitch]

@@Khazuki_ mike thinks sex pervert movies are icky. That he didn't have a cameo saying what kyle said up there is the missed opportunity

[@nignamedmutt7270]

When I was at work I got this old dude who trained me,(probably in his 60's) and told me aaaalllll about how him and his brother drove for over an hour to go to a theater screening of Deepthroat. Now I'm fully aware of what the movie is(not outright pornographic) but I couldn't hesitate the opportunity to throw this guy under the bus. Right there in the office(only 2 other coworkers present, not a job that has customers in and out or anything like that) I belched out at him "DUDE! WTF?!??! YOU WENT TO SEE A PORNO WITH YOUR BROTHER?!??- Him: N-N-NO IT'S NOT A POR- Me: UH HUH! SURE! PRETTY SURE I'VE HEARD THAT EXCUSE A FEW TIMES! He scratched his head, waved his hand and did a "aaahh fuck this it isn't even worth it" before we clocked out and left for the day. Don't pass up on golden opportunities to throw people under the bus like this.

[@sarsmask]

One of the biggest fights between my parents I can remember happened while my dad spitefully watched Showgirls in the living room.

[@LycoLoco]

That's not just a choice, that's one that endures for the entire runtime.

[@Drak976]

@@LycoLoco Well once you press play you can't stop now. I would bet $ his Father watched the credits.

[@throwMeAway9001-bx8lv]

legendary comment

[@nemo-zl1vm]

This is poetry.

[@nicolascapitaine]

Went to a screening of the film in France, presented by Verhoeven himself. He told us before the film that he was at the time feeling pretty low after his big crusade film was cancelled. He therefore wanted to make something quick and low budget to keep moving, and at the same time vent and unload his anger and frustrations, making things as vulgar as possible. Watching the movie right after he told us all that made a ton of sense, and probably made it way better than just watching it without context, it was pretty great.

[@munaus-3345]

Show Girls was low budget? all that dancing choreography training couldn't have been cheap. Nor the monkeys!

[@gamemaker1802]

​@munaus-3345 Wikipedia says it cost between $40-$45 million, but to be fair, that's definitely low budget compared to the Crusades film with Arnold, which would've easily been over $100 million.

[@born2hula325]

This film feels like a satire of a genre that never existed. Like, if there had been 10 years of glossy, NC-17 films that were just an excuse to show memorable actresses' boobs, this would come across as a brilliant parody.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

I imagine that several cuts of the movie were submitted to the MPAA, who regretfully told Paul Verhoven that if he wanted the NC-17 rating, he was going to have to insert even more nudity and violence.

[@justinknop3582]

I think that is exactly what the movie is trying to be

[@justinknop3582]

I think that is exactly what the movie is trying to be

[@justinknop3582]

I think that is exactly what the movie is trying to be

[@justinknop3582]

I think that is exactly what the movie is trying to be

[@JB-pu3oj]

As i remember correctly , Paul Verhooven stood up very much for Elizabeth Berkley, that she delivered him exactly what he wanted to see. So any criticism on her should be on him.

[@chaosmos24]

I don't understand how people don't see that Showgirls is a satirical comedy.

[@vinesauceobscurities]

@@chaosmos24 The general audience missing the point? Say it isn't so!

[@aenamabag]

@@chaosmos24 In the same way that they don't see Starship Troopers or Robocop as satire

[@pronkb000]

@@vinesauceobscurities ...or the movie failed in getting its message across, which is also possible. And true, in Showgirls' case.

[@cptrelentless80085]

He wanted to see her clam

[@petercofrancesco9812]

Cristal: "I used to love Doggy Chow" Nomi: "I used to love Doggy Chow too." What a bonding moment 🐶

[@eraserhead-prime]

Showgirls 3: One Night at Seizure’s Palace

[@nc2669]

XD

[@SharifAbdou]

Rich's Oppenheimer story might be the worst thing I've ever heard. It would require the patience of Gandhi to not go ballistic on that mother. What a horrible, horrible mother.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

I'm shocked he was able to hear them over the volume the movie was played at...they must've been DAMN loud.

[@ExaltedUriel]

I would have gotten out of my seat and turned into that clip of George Carlin responding to a heckler so fast, lol. "SHUT THE FUCK UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

[@playedout148]

That's it for him. Another theater patron bites the dust.

[@Audrey-xh4pu]

​@@Corbomite_MeatballsI mean she had to turn the volume up and be loud asf she could barely hear tiktok over oppenheimer smh /j

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

Truly-this woman is an obnoxious,irresponsible,narcissistic person.

[@tonyelectionfraud669]

"man everyone got aids n shit" what a great line

[@WormyJester8]

EVERYONE HAS AIDS - Team America World Police

[@bingobongo1615]

I was half expecting one of them trying to gaslight us into believing that showgirls was a secret masterpiece like with Freddy got fingered…

[@FateBringsMe2U]

@@bingobongo1615Freddy Got Fingered is an overt masterpiece. Everybody I've ever watched it with has loved it

[@firebert123]

a true RLM type line. feels right out of a BOTW action flick

[@AbuseTeamRobot]

AIIIIIIIIIIDS

[@ResurrectedBrush]

I have a theory that this movie was written to be a comedy, and the only person in the entire production who actually realized it was a comedy was Gina Gershon.

[@mori1bund]

I'd call it a satire on the American society's dysfunctional relationship with sex and nudity, just like Robocop was a satire of America's relationship with capitalism, or Starship Troopers was a satire on America's militaristic, even fascist tendencies. They way the movie flopped in cinema and was bashed by critics while it was a huge success on home video (where people could watch that movie alone and more... ahem private) actually proves the point of the movie. 😁😁

[@rayortiz313]

I agree that there was probably much more satire intended than people realize, but that doesn't mean the movie works at the end of the day. The "give you the sleaze you asked for beause you Americans are idiots" hat trick he pulled of with Robocop and Starship Troopers just failed here.

[@mori1bund]

@@rayortiz313 The difference to Robocop and Starship Troopers is that Americans are perfectly happy with gratuitous violence, blood & gore in those both movies, but as soon as instead of violence a female nipple appears on the screen people get weird. That's why the very same hat trick suddenly failed. 😂

[@josephfisher426]

@@mori1bund Would the reaction be much different with a different target audience? For civilized people, violence is an easier satirical target because it is removed from real life. Sex is personal. The lead character is a familiar trainwreck rather than one that can be held at arm's length.

[@mori1bund]

@@josephfisher426 Sorry, but that's BS! Violence is very personal for too many people, while sex & nudity in strip clubs and Las Vegas Shows is removed from real life for most people, even the sex scenes in this movie were actually mocked for being to unrealistic (which was definitely a deliberate choice by Verhoeven). Come on, we both know, that this isn't about real life vs. unrealistic premise. 🤨🤨

[@borat656]

It's amazing to see the Star Trek Trivia Champion Rich Evans talk about movies with fellow cinephile and Nightmare on Elm Street Trivia Champion Jay Bauman. What legends of cinema knowledge!

[@davechan8613]

“This is slowly becoming a show where we just watch porn, isn’t it?” -Rich Evans BOTW

[@TattyBojangles81]

Excited for the inevitable RLM Goonsesh

[@obnoxiouspedant]

In an episode of Black Spine Spunka, most likely ​@@TattyBojangles81

[@ChrisHuppey]

Sun gooning with the RLM crew 💦

[@funguy398]

Can't wait for a "Necromantic" episode

[@Rajorn]

I would unironically love for them to re:view the pornos made by Catalina video.

[@loufher284]

I'm shocked that "Everybody Got AIDS and shit" didn't catch on as a phrase of the 90s

[@drownthepoor]

It did... and they told you about it. It was the aids that didn't catch on so much.

[@LyleVSXyle]

Sounds like a line from a Gregg Araki film

[@HoneyMike]

@@drownthepoorpeople were catching the aids though

[@joejohnson273]

Trey Parker wrote a song about it

[@drownthepoor]

@@HoneyMike No one "catches" AIDS actually. They catch HIV. AIDS was actually causes by the drugs they gave people to combat HIV. Additionally, it's pretty hard to spread HIV. This is why it was characterized as a disease for gay men. A woman could get it from a man, but not so much the other way around. That particular type of sex is prone to bleeding. The community had a lifestyle of mixing lots of drug use (which compromises immune system) and lots of partners. Anthony Fauci once told nation that you could get it by sitting on a toilet seat. The HIV in Africa is allegedly very different from the HIV/AIDS in the USA, but I don't know how true that part is.

[@boogerparty]

Rich's Oppenheimer story reminded me of when I saw Blade Runner 2049 and this dude in the back kept talking and making shitty jokes all through the movie. Then he finally left about ten minutes before it even ended, but after it got out I heard him and (who I assume was) his girlfriend having a screaming argument right outside the only exit. It was so bad that a theater employee actually let me use one of the emergency exits to get out.

[@vagabondarcade7633]

That's a big reason I love Alamo Drafthouse- zero tolerance for talking during the movie. They'd kick those people right out.

[@jeffecake6197]

Two dudes watching an erotic film and the sexiest thing about it is Jay's hair.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Still waiting for one of their shows to do a fake ad break starring him, in a faux herbal essence shower scene.

[@21DaHoagie12]

Jay really needs to cut that awful mop. He looks terrible with it, waaaay better with short hair.

[@42ndStreetMatthew]

"Nobody would help me, Jay!" is my new favorite Rich Evens line.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Yeah, this is exactly why I refuse to go to movie theatres anymore unless I'm forced to - no matter what film it is, every damn time someone is there being an inconsiderate a**hole - actually usually now it's a bunch of people - talking, using their phones, shining a laser pointer on the screen, eating something stinky, kicking the back of my seat, wearing a f*cking huge hat in front of me - even a couple having a domestic dispute right in the middle of a film once - and there is indeed no employee around who ever does anything about it. People are indeed the worst.

[@PaintraSeaPea]

​@@Beer_Dad1975Do you live near Milwaukee? Part of me wonders of this is a regional thing. Not that I don't believe them, but I'm always in awe at just how deep the RLM crew's disdain for an institution can reach. I go every now and then and it's never like these horror stories.

[@cariboubearmalachy1174]

I love Verhoeven's "it was over the top but I thought it was... fun"

[@brmartin]

I need a timestamp of when Rich said that.

[@alejandrojuarez5640]

@@brmartin 39:02

[@Dethmaster64]

Jay claiming that Showgirls is the Morbius of 90s cinema will haunt me for years

[@Lemonjib]

Sheesh. That's a reach and then some.

[@a.f.watcher8888]

I’d think Faust or something would fit that title better.

[@commenter381]

It's showin' time

[@theactualTVB]

If there’s ever a re:View on Snakes on a Plane, will Jay call that the Morbius of the 2000s or the Showgirls of the 2000s?

[@redadamearth]

"Morbius" *wishes* it was as bad-good as "Showgirls". lol At least "Showgirls" is fun to watch in that sense; "Morbius" is just a forgettable POS.

[@jamalcalypse]

I think it was pretty clear Nomi was trying to start anew running from a troubled past when she kept dodging questions. "Where you from?" "Places." Eventually we learn she has a rap sheet. So by the end when she's leaving Vegas for LA, it's because Vegas has become another "place" she'll be wanted for a crime. So she has to try yet again to fly straight and turn over a new leaf. But, imo, the message in true Verhoeven style is that wherever you go money will corrupt, there is no innocence in an exploitative system.

[@ironmonkey1512]

She didn't save herself, she is exactly the same person she was when she went to vegas. Nothing was learned, her and las vegas' existence is pointless.

[@sim4344]

Alternately: "Wherever you go, there you are." Just because you go to a new place to "start over" doesn't mean you're not the same hot mess of a person who had to flee the last place you were.

[@pianonotes1010]

The robocop/Showgirls pool scene overlay is the funniest damn thing 😂

[@mariosbrother6845]

Rich's Oppenheimer story genuinely raised my blood pressure

[@trav7060]

Was looking for this exact response!!

[@BunnLilah]

How?? How do people like that exist!? Generally speaking, it's great not to be ashamed of yourself. But every human needs some amount of shame because then *you do THAT.*

[@JiaNaDaRen15]

It's the reason I'm slowly building my home theater because people like this come to every movie I go to watch.

[@StupidFaceRob]

Sometimes in the UK people are bad in theatres, but the US is on another level. If I lived in the US I’d never see anything at the cinema.

[@JSLongstreet]

This is legitimately why I stopped going to the theatre. I did find a smaller one, where it's safe to go mid-day, but no guarantees about the assholes. I'm in Canada, worth note. People are just the worst part of seeing a movie on the big screen.

[@Thaddeus.]

That Oppenheimer theater story is absolutely nightmare fuel

[@stefanpoirier6810]

I woulda lost it at that mother. You dont ever ever go to the theatre and make an absolute c*** or jackass out of yourself whatsoever.

[@benderbendingrodriguez420]

Might be my favourite reView in a while..Not just the subject matter, but i think this is the most often weve heard Rich Evans beautifully angelic laugh in a long time. Just the constant cuts to Rich losing his mind is fantastic

[@benjaminfisher5351]

Too bad the Rich side of the story line is a tragedy. The ending broke my heart.

[@gregorydavidson2744]

The editing in this re:View really went above and beyond. The Rich camera and the inserts of Veerhoven speaking were both effective. I’d love more inserts of directors speaking

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

That’s an excellent idea.

[@phluphie]

I was at MGM for a while and "Showgirls" was one of our cash cows on Home Video. We were releasing new special editions of this film about every 18mon. And the thing is, based on the marketing, it wasn't targeted at men wanting to see naked chicks. All the marketing was targeted at either gay/drag queens watching it on a lark or bachelorette parties.

[@rolfthewhatever]

Was it really one of the biggest home video releases overall? I haven't seen that many copies of it floating around in the wild.

[@phluphie]

@@rolfthewhatever couldnt’ tell ya. However Showgirls release was getting marketing attention at high levels. Years after its original release. Only Legally Blonde seemed to be getting that much home video attention. But his was about 15yrs. ago.

[@jakeschutz6342]

it made something like 100 million in the home video market. Pretty much got the film to profitability after its theatre run@@rolfthewhatever

[@DeflatingAtheism]

Serious question… wasn’t there a DVD edition sold with shot glasses where you play the Showgirls drinking game? I seem to recall it was marketed as an “in on its own joke” camp classic the way Mommy Dearest way.

[@phluphie]

@@DeflatingAtheism don’t remember the specifics of it but yes. There was an edition of “Showgirls” sold as a party pack w/ a bunch of branded party stuff in the box.

[@JohnDoe-cd6ro]

My favorite _Show Girls_ jab/joke was Randy Meeks telling Ghostface that it was his favorite scary movie in _Scream 2_ .

[@Darkbeatdk]

I had a Basic Instinct poster in my childhood room in the 90’s. Not because I had ever seen the movie, but I had a friend who’s older brother worked a movie theater and I somehow ended up with that poster because of that awkward childhood phase where you feel like you have to leave your childish things behind and get grown-up stuff all over the place. Not sure how “grown-up” a Basic Instinct poster would be considered these days. Anyway, thanks for reading my blog.

[@kingsleycy3450]

As a teenage boy I pulled off a 4D chess heist to steal a friend’s VHS copy of Showgirls. My disappointment was immense when I actually watched the thing

[@obnoxiouspedant]

Is that the day you learned thievery is never worth it?

[@svenylford4047]

I'd watch a movie about that heist

[@NoriMori1992]

I need to know more about this 4D chess heist 😂

[@xBattsey]

Congratulations, you lose!

[@Flint-Dibble-the-Don]

​@@NoriMori1992it's called Chinese checkers I think.

[@kylesugarman]

As an epileptic, I feel really seen by RLM's dedication to reviewing movies filled with girls having seizures filmed by perverts. Thank you for the representation. ❤

[@GoetiaTV]

I’m surprised Jay didn’t drop in a clip of The Comedy starring Tim Heidecker.

[@lloydritchey]

😂 Thank you

[@langleymneely]

⁠@@GoetiaTVIm mad that more people don’t even know what it is!? Like most Heidecker stuff its brilliant on multiple fronts!

[@ididgt4259]

​@@langleymneely The Comedy is no joke just a documentary about what Heidecker is like

[@DirtyFrigginHarry]

just stay out of kentucky or pennsylvania or wherever that nut is

[@gargooletz]

I had my worst theater experience last year on a late showing of Indiana. It was nearly empty, just an old couple, and me with my fiancee. Ten minutes after the start of the movie 5 clearly drunk guys went in and prompted by the sight of Nazis on screen started shouting random phrases in German. Asking them nicely to keep quiet of course didn't help so I've asked the manager for help. After the short talk with security they've shut up for the whole movie. But as we're about to leave our happy bunch waited for us at the door, they've started arguing with the old couple then threatening us. In the end security had to escort us to our car in the parking lot. Honorable mention: a guy recording parts of the Godzilla to post them online. I love the theater experience!

[@MarkS6789]

I also had a bad experience seeing Godzilla in an Indiana theater. Classic Indiana!

[@gargooletz]

@@MarkS6789 Oh, I've meant Indiana Jones :D I live in Europe

[@The_October_Man]

I’ve been lucky not to have any bad theater experiences, but when I saw Indiana Jones 5, there was this one guy who had two little girls who I was worried would ruin it, but thankfully they didn’t.

[@dr6559]

@@MarkS6789Damn I got luck when I saw it in Indiana; had like 3 people there and it was pure bliss.

[@donall]

Lack of ushers is probably the biggest threat to the cinematic experience.

[@guthax30]

You have nailed it. TLDR: But the home experience beats the theatres on quality and cost for the vast majority of Americans. Problem is: Theatres can no longer afford them. That kind of labor cost wouldn't be worth it because most people don't go to the movies because it costs them too much and the home experience is cheaper. Money talks and BS walks. Not only that but: for most people who aren't theatre buffs and theatre buffs are a niche market anyway the home expetience is higher quality and more consistant. What theatres must do: Private 20 seater rooms with the highest grade flat screens where you can pause your movie. groups of friends and families can then have private rooms with a temp flat screen. maybe throw some arcade games and a ball pit in there for family rooms. etc etc. small theatres you can rent with surround sound and a buffet lay out

[@lucamckenn5932]

Have you seen americans who choose to go out lately? Ushers would run the gambit of physical danger all the way up to litigious legal troubles. If you underestimate others retardation you fail to understand their motives. Which is them > anyone else.

[@swirvinbirds1971]

Omg... That scene comparison between the pool sex scene and the Robocop death scene had me in stiches. 😂

[@SultanSamet]

That "diying Ed209" sound 💀💀💀

[@vandjack17]

Rich's Oppenheimer story is why I'm so thankful we can see movies at the Alamo Drafthouse theater chain, where they will aggressively kick you out for making any noise and they ban youg kids from all but select showings.

[@dionysusNME]

I was so underwhelmed by Oppenheimer, esp having seen both The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar in Imax. This latest Film was just...meh, and far too self important.

[@dionysusNME]

I was so underwhelmed by Oppenheimer, esp having seen both The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar in Imax. This latest Film was just...meh, and far too self important.

[@LittleJimmy835]

Sounds like bliss… Like a heaven on Earth like god intended.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I've long heard legends about Alamo Drafthouse, I wish there was a European counterpart.

[@FunkBastid]

They’re bretty gud

[@levierickson7321]

I shared an elevator in Beverly Hills with Elizabeth Berkeley for several floors, around 2005. She broke the ice, knowing she was recognized and made small talk. Cool experience

[@globetrekker86]

My favorite angry episode of Nomi’s is the French fries massacre. Molly: “So, where are you from?” Nomi: *huffs* “Back east.” Molly: “From where ‘back east’?” Nomi *splattering ketchup all over her mangled fries before scattering them*: “Different places!”

[@korbendallas8488]

I saw Showgirls on opening night. I was a sophomore in college at the time. My dorm had all-male and all-female floors. Being on an all-male floor, it was a given that we planned our monthly floor event for the release. It was showing on the main screen of the campus movie theater. It seated around 200. We arrived early and were smart to do so. Our showing sold out. The crowd was about 90% college-aged guys. The atmosphere was raucous. People were shouting at the screen and cheering anytime there was nudity. I've never had so much fun at a movie

[@jaythomas468]

Honestly, I feel like that was probably the PERFECT kind of audience to be in while watching Showgirls, lol.

[@MattBryant2792]

How was the uhhh reception to the outta nowhere rape scene

[@aab350z]

@@MattBryant2792 RAUCOUS.

[@andronis6452]

@@MattBryant2792 reception was great. thank you

[@brianbelgard5988]

That’s the only way to see this movie.

[@warbossgegguz679]

25:37 - 25:58 Rich is half-right. Iwatani did design pac-man to attract an audience of non-violent gamers and women and used concepts like cute character design and a simple mechanics, but it wasn't as simple or blunt as he put it. It was also designed knowing that women historically enjoy puzzle-based games, so a maze game further appealed to that demo. And even though it sounds funny, it 100% worked.

[@metalj]

I think the eating part comes from Paku-paku being one of those verbs that sounds like the word it's describing (Onomatopoeia) in JP, also Pac Man himself is famously a pizza with a slice missing.

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

Good to know.

[@swishersnaaake8208]

Right, it was intended to appeal to everyone, not just specifically women. And it succeeded, it was the first video game with a real mainstream audience.

[@larrylaffer3246]

Which then of course led to it's far superior Pseudo-Sequel Ms. Pac-Man. Who is considered to be gaming's original leading lady.

[@Tom_Van_Zandt]

Besides the pizza reference, the only other thing I know about Pac Man is it was originally going to be named Puck Man, but the name was changed for obvious reasons - American fans, and such. That might also be one of those rumors that has become gaming lore over time, but I like to believe it's true. Oh, and I know Billy Mitchell claims to be the 1st person to ever "beat" Pac Man, where you score so many points that it causes the game to glitch. Also, I made a video calling Billy Mitchell a d-bag - I had a VERY modest KZbin channel with under 300 subscribers - and "Billy Mitchell" messaged me asking to have a dialogue with me. I use quotes because apparently it isn't really Billy Mitchell, but his son who runs all of his social medias. He literally scans all the socials searching for any and all mentions of his asshat dad's name, and anyone who defames him, libel-wise or else-wise, needs to be corrected - or sued if you're a KZbinr with a lot of clout, such as Karl Jobst, who I believe Billy actually sued at one time. And THAT's all I know about Pac Man. Plus, I used to watch the Saturday Morning Cartoon. And I swear that's all I know about it. Well, I also know that I was never any good at it. My mom was able to roll the score on the old Atari 2600 because she learned the pattern of the ghosts - something I've never been able to do. And now THAT is all I know about Pac Man.

[@chrislehmier]

Oh my God. The juxtaposition of the pool scene against the ED209 demo had me on the floor. So perfect.

[@Jammonstrald]

I like showgirls. It's deliberately unsexy in its portrayal of sex. It is so performatively cynical about the world it shows, and that's entirely the point. The (spoiler) end is that she was never the hometown girl that turned bad to get what she wanted, but that she's morally bankrupt to get what she wants because of course she is; the whole world functions that way. It's like the inversion of Basic Instinct. Veerhoven was told "yo we're gonna make a movie that capitalizes on peoples' desperation for titillation and smut, make us a movie oversaturated in it" and being the blessed troll he is, made a movie that embodies the cringe and the sardonic sleaze of that very idea.

[@pressrepeat2000]

Wow, that’s some incredible analysis! Great observation. So much wisdom in KZbin comments…

[@davidbirke8647]

Hi! This is a great excuse to finally comment on something because I have inside info! The next Verhoeven movie is going to be an adaptation of the Phillipe Djian novel, "Sans Compter". It has slight elements of being a political thriller but a lot of sex or sex-adjacent stuff. They're going into pre-production just now, God willing. I've been a long time fan of this channel since- independently- my two daughters who were big fans told me that you'd shown my picture and made fun of me, which they took as a great honor. And I kind of did too. Slender Man was my Showgirls, only I had a terrible reputation going in, so it really was a disaster. So bad I had to literally leave the country. But getting roasted by you guys is the one thing from that period that does bring a smile. Kind of. Thanks!

[@leob4403]

Im calling it, an 85-year old Paul Verhoeven will be over-excited on set from the naked bottocks (pronounced like forrest gump) and suffer some sort of stroke, I hate to jinx it, but I just have a feeling

[@jennys1983]

I loved “Elle” so much!

[@davidbirke8647]

Ha! Thank you!@@jennys1983

[@janfranszuidema8512]

Jay was probably referring to the Young Sinner project. But a new Djian adaption sounds great! Same team (screenwriter, producer, director) as Elle and Benedetta?

[@davidbirke8647]

Yeah, The Young Sinner project is still very much something he wants to do with Ed Neumeier but the script's not finished yet, so he's doing this one, I think, to keep busy. This will constitute, I guess, a "trilogy" lol @@janfranszuidema8512

[@AceMoonshot]

The sex in the pool and the Robocop kill scene comparison was funny because it is a 100% accurate comparison.

[@Caffeine_Club]

Editing the dance club scene from Robocop and Showgirls was genius. 👍

[@notyourdad]

I refuse to believe that the man who made Robocop and Starship Troopers didn't know exactly what he was doing with this one - I think it's an intentionally hilarious movie and I loved it.

[@connorstephens7467]

It is. Verhoeven is a genius. Everything is intentional.

[@godofspacetime333]

21:57 the sound of the ED-209 winding down overtop Elizabeth Berkeley is gold.

[@jackflash8218]

That almost fk'n killed me! Replayed it dozens of times! 😆😆😂😂😂😂

[@KnowledgeSeeker78491]

The guy lower his head is the icing on the cake

[@darrengordon-hill]

EVEN FUNNIER WHEN SEEN!! Saw this comment 20mins ago, just got to that part; HILARIOUS observation comedy!!!

[@darrengordon-hill]

​@@jackflash8218CANNOT stop laughing!!!

[@alistercaddy1208]

For all of us that used to frequent video stores, the cover was absolutely iconic.

[@ToumalRakesh]

Core memory accessed.

[@jsinjapan1689]

I saw Elizabeth Berkeley a few years after this on some Disney channel exclusive movie/series. It was surreal.

[@TwelveinchChewbacca]

"I've been thinking about 'Showgirls' recently." Well, *there's* a sentence I didn't expect to hear today ... or ever.

[@BerdosReactions]

I’m crying at the pool sex scene with Ed-209 shooting audio 😂😂😂

[@MrAnaheimification]

Read your comment before getting to that part and I lost it too 😂

[@flying1dead155]

Epically the breaking down sound 😅

[@DaKnifeCrow]

my last theater experience was Bladerunner 2049, where an older woman sitting a few seats down in the same row kept asking her husband "Where's Harrison Ford?" until he showed up in the film then she just started talking to her husband about other bullshit after Harrison appeared

[@stefanpoirier6810]

Jeez. Hopefully she got her comeuppance afterwards.

[@Pattamatt1998]

When my fiance and I started dating we saw Isle of Dogs in theaters together and one of the only 2 other groups in that theater was a young couple with a probably 3 or 4 year old that sat down right behind us and loudly kept asking her parents questions every 5 seconds, "what are the dogs doing? Where are they going? Why are they being mean?" The entire film and the parents did NOTHING to teach her that you don't talk at the movie theater. Immensely frustrating experience.

[@bc-cu4on]

What a coincidence, I stopped going after seeing that same movie, too. I was bitten by mfing bed bugs during the film, and I swore to never go again.

[@gablefisk-govphost817]

"Whenever Deckard isn't on the screen, all the other characters need to be asking 'Where's Harrison Ford?"

[@macupgrader]

That sounds a lot like when I saw Apollo 11 (the 2019 documentary). I had seen it before but I was really excited to get to see it in a cinema, on the actual 50th anniversary and with my dad (whose own father had actually worked on Project Apollo). Anyway, some moronic old woman in the row behind us didn't shut the fuck up the entire time and kept asking her husband what was happening every thirty seconds. Completely ruined the whole experience for me.

[@emilym3679]

I've never seen footage of Verhoeven before. He's 100% less creepy than I expected. He comes across as a "nice grandpa" type.

[@FinalLevelBoss]

One of my memories of Showgirls was when I was about 11 or 12 years old. A friend of mine down the street had just gotten Mario Kart 64. Bunch of us kids were playing and about 40 minutes in my friends older sister came home with her boyfriend and couple other friends. They're like "alright everyone get out! We're going to watch a movie and it's not for kids. It's called 'Showgirls'". We were all dissapointed we had to stop playing and leave. Right before we left one of my buddies was like "I bet that movie sucks." Man was that kid correct.

[@Kwolfx]

I saw Showgirls with some friends the first weekend it came out, because I was living in Las Vegas at that time and this movie was going to be about "The real Las Vegas." Yea, other than some easily identifiable exterior and interior shots filmed in Vegas, not so much. All I really remember; aside from Elizabeth Berkley flopping around like a dolphin having an epileptic seizure, is at the very end of the movie as the credits started to roll, someone in the audience shouted out loud, "What the hell did we just watch?" That was the best moment, it got a pretty big laugh.

[@sleepdeprive]

I appreciate the candid discussion about Rich Evans' short-lived stint as a Vegas showgirl. He's come so far!

[@djangofett4879]

When i pictured rich in that showgirl outfit, i came pretty far too. it hit the ceiling

[@alansmithee.01]

It was a truly bold stepping stone from his child actor days as the chestburster in 1979's Alien. Yaphett Kotto dispensed some sage career advice on that set.

[@NatePilgrim]

And then the final scene when the truck stops, and Mike is in it, and the road sign showing they are entering Milwaukee...

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

Hearing his creepy perv laughter as they drive away and the scene fades away

[@NatePilgrim]

@@Avatar_of_Chairness - "Are You talking me home?" - "Oh no... No, no, no, no, no.... Nonononononononono... No! no, nonononono......"

[@dylanspicer6979]

At UnI about twenty years ago my film studies tutor was absolutely convinced Showgirls was going to be reappraised as a classic. Although that hasn’t quite happened, it’s nice that he was partially right in terms of the analysis since.

[@Forthelemon]

It absolutely has as far as I can tell

[@niallreid7664]

At the very least, it's being appreciated as a camp classic with the cult film crowd, not too dissimilar from Rocky Horror. And that's pretty cool imo.

[@andyholstein237]

It's Paul Verhoeven's Freddy got Fingered. Misunderstood at the time.

[@thoughtfulho]

Former showgirl / porn creator here that can try to explain the satire with Nomi’s character. The showgirl/burlesque/pole communities does have a lot of anti sex work, rippers, and porn creators, that make it their mission to tell anyone and everyone that they are not them, even despite doing the same things basically. When I watch her character, it’s the camp version of these people who actively exist in these industries, when most of us don’t actually care and are just trying to pay bills and live life.

[@lelandunruh7896]

I still say "everybody's got AIDS and sh*t" from time to time. Truly a cultural touchstone.

[@DVAcme]

I love the fact that not only does Verhoeven not disown this movie, he's PROUD of it and more than glad to talk at length about how deliberate every creative and directorial decision in the movie was. It's usually bullshit when someone says that a movie's satire is so brilliant that it goes over people's heads, but that statement has never been more true than when applied to Verhoeven. Dude's a massive troll and piss taker and I fucking love him for it.

[@juniorjames7076]

In order to take his movies seriously, you can't take them seriously.

[@zoltanrudolf9413]

Spot on!

[@t19040]

He should be proud. It's a great movie.

[@axileus9327]

I don’t see a big difference between showgirls and his other films. If he has to disown one he’d have to disown them all. They’re all very good in my opinion.

[@theDiReW0lf]

1000%

[@heli88]

The cinematography in the Rich Evans reaction scenes is Oscar-worthy. Jay has truly embraced his muse.

[@Josh-ez5hf]

Kyle McLaughlin said, upon seeing the film for the first time, that he was "gobsmacked" after seeing it and I thought "dude, you filmed every single scene that made me feel that way"

[@nemo-zl1vm]

Now I'm imagining that they filmed much more serious, traditional scenes, and then Paul would say "Now let's do a silly one!" like mom during family photos. And then he put all the "silly" takes into the actual movie.

[@prettydick6ix9ine]

I've always thought this movie was a pretty straightforward take on show business, narcissism, & self indulgence. And that the over the top eroticism was actually satirical in nature. The ending (imo) is a "justice" moment as she represents the women who have been taken advantage of by all of these powerful men. And I always took the sign to LA as a final nod that this was directed "toward" Hollywood. I think you can draw that she repeats the same stuff in LA...which means what we saw is exactly like Hollywood. - the "always eating" stuff is just another nod to self indulgence - the goddess show she stars in is her narcissism shining through in all kinds of forms (the various states of good/evil) - when she first gets to town and the guy takes her suitcase she is now "free from all her baggage" and starting fresh. A girl with a dream. After making all the wrong decisions she leaves town "with baggage" after she hitches a ride with the thief.

[@pen64]

Overlaying meaning on a film is a bad look

[@genarocarranza9]

To add to the "starting fresh" idea I want to point out that she calls herself Nomi "No-me" and at the end she says that's what she won in Vegas: "Me", as some kind of self-identity or peace with the person/past she was running from perhaps?

[@ghostbreakergaming]

This was the best KZbin notification I have ever received during church

[@josephrion3514]

That's an underrated comment.

[@richarddevenezia8186]

and he's the preacher

[@Deeds_of_Love]

Rich keeping that pillow in reach just in case but never needing it says everything.

[@boardskins]

It was cold in there!

[@Treblaine]

From my memory of the movie the main use you'll have for the pillow is to rest your head to have a nap. How could a movie with so much sex be so un-sexy and so boring?

[@Zipshysa]

It was the most beautifully-shot trainwreck of a movie I have ever seen.

[@rmjmoviereviews6876]

One of the problems with the film is Elizabeth Berkley's character is so nasty. She seems almost like personality disordered. I'd say her character is disturbed. There's no one to root for.

[@MustafaTurgutDenizer]

Man, hearing Rich Evans' Oppenheimer story made me want to hug him because my experience was the complete opposite. A family even brought their baby to the movie theater and thankfully they kept their silence throughout the entire thing. I went there all by myself and there was a high school kid sitting next to me who was also by himself. He and I made small conversation about the movie, education and future goals. He reminded me of my youth and also my best friend who lives in another country. After the movie ended I said "Good luck out there." and never saw him again. Might be the best movie experience I had since Infinity War.

[@luiginastro8831]

And that kid was Albert Einstein.

[@beerus101]

I sat beside two people with body odor. They were quiet at least. Oppenheimer didn't turn out to be an affirmation of the wonder of the movie theatre for me.

[@TheMTSilver]

You were talking with a boy during the movie? Have you considered that the reason you didn't encounter any noisy assholes is because you were the noisy asshole?

[@stefanpoirier6810]

That's great to hear. I feel very very sorry pour Rich but when I saw Oppenheimer in IMAX last year, the audience I saw it with were polite. Heck my Dad and I seeing THE DARK KNIGHT back in 2008 with a sold out crowd were very respectful to one of the greatest films I ever seen PERIOD!

[@itsd0nk]

You two made small talk *throughout the film* or afterwards?

[@jakehanley]

I love the irony of the old Stardust being entirely fine with being featured in Showgirls, but then vetoing Scorsese’s Casino, released the same year and based on the story of a mafia skim that actually happened there, from being set or filmed on location at the resort.

[@aaroncampos5439]

In my headcanon, the events of those movies happen during the same time frame.

[@redneckroy8947]

Not really irony. The Mafia still ran casinos then, and didn't want the heat

[@Corbal975]

What's ironic about that?

[@jakehanley]

@@Corbal975 Boyd's was okay with the Stardust being the setting of a fictitious skeevy topless revue, but another movie showing a mafia skim that actually happened before they had owned the place was over the line.

[@YTAG33]

Topless showgirl shows were long seen as being on the edge of respectability and acceptable for a general tourist audience. I am sure StarDust saw a strong line between that and strip clubs or outright sex work. It seems like this movie did the opposite, and blurred the lines between those thing.

[@jussijokinen3151]

I have been having a lousy day, but Rich Evans reacting to the monkeys did manage to cheer me up a bit. Thanks guys!

[@kevinpistilli2593]

Jay preparing for his breakout role in the crow remake

[@terig5584]

That clip from Verhoeven confirms everything I ever thought about this movie and most of his work. He’s going for something somewhat abstract and for no more reason than it’s fun. Sometimes it works better than others, but he doesn’t care.

[@soulistheanswer]

It’s like that scene in iasip where that one guy talks about his ideal movie

[@pronkb000]

Then in that case I don't want to hear any bullshit about how Showgirls is "brilliant satire."

[@crakhaed]

Really doing it for the art I see

[@t19040]

​@@pronkb000 It is very clearly satire and it is brilliant.

[@billybollockhead5628]

“That’s not a lap dance, she’s basically using his pants to wipe her butt clean”, was my thoughts as a kid.

[@stefanpoirier6810]

lolololol holy heck that is funny. How old were you when u saw this as a kid?

[@langleymneely]

Screw you! That was so funny to read I almost choked on the water I was drinking! You won the internet for today! BRAVO!! 😂🤣

[@Awsomeisimo]

the 4k closeup rich evans cam is a much needed addition to the room shots

[@45johngalt]

Jay's locks look so luscious, love that little streak of grey/white, makes him look distinguished.

[@MusicFromAnotherTime]

By the way, puppy chow is a type of Midwest homemade dessert that typically consists of Chex mix, powdered sugar, and chocolate. I want to hope that's what they meant and maybe there was some sort of mistranslation where they called it dog chow, but then again eating dog food does make sense given the rest of this movie.

[@jamesmurray4062]

Puppy Chow is the name of an actual dog food. Doggy Chow isn't. Pretty sure it was changed to skirt the copyright.

[@Audrey-xh4pu]

they meant real dog food, why would she be comparing brown rice and vegetables to a sweet treat?

[@jackelewish1568]

In the south east we call that same exact thing "trash can candy" or "trash bag candy" because it's really common in poor areas to mix it in a big trash bag and shake it up really good to even everything out

[@billbaggins7355]

When I was watching Godzilla Minus One for the first time the theater was empty except for two seats. One was an older man in his 60's or 70's staring intently at the movie the whole time and the other was a pair of maybe 20 something young men. The ENTIRE movie the two kids were just yapping about everything that was happening on screen. It was like watching a movie narrated by a coked up Matthew Lillard. I'm 38 years old but me and that old guy had it at the same time. It was during the attack scene where Noriko was hanging out of the train car in Godzilla's mouth that he and I both told them to shut the eff up and it was magical. He turned to look at me and I looked at him and we both nodded to each other. I knew then and there that our generation gap was erased and we both understood that if the younger morons chose violence we'd have each others backs in the ensuing fight.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

To paraphrase Jonathan Swift, the only time two generations bond is at the expense of a third.

[@redsgrave2003]

You poor man. My theater had plenty of people and some younger kids. But the kids shut up when the movie started for the most part.

[@LittleJimmy835]

@@therotten6152 Can I have you and your mates come with me next time I go to the cinema?

[@GreyJanuary]

Good job Jay, you avoided demonetizing the entire channel with your black bar editing. You threaded the needle very well.

[@kyleellis1825]

Meh. The size of the viewer base did that. On smaller channels, black bars aren't enough to avoid demonetization at all.

[@rodrigotolosa590]

Not an easy feat to thread the needle with his left hand

[@chrisbullard5901]

I just feel so bad for Elizabeth Berkeley. I haven’t been able to watch “Saved By The Bell” reruns the same way since knowing about “Showgirls”.

[@sureofcourse2792]

Thank GOD. RLM is reviewing ART now.

[@puppysect]

Joe Esterhaz was paid a total of 3.7 million dollars for the script to Showgirls. Money well spent.

[@cptrelentless80085]

Chicks do be lovin eatin food, tho

[@Schattenkirk]

​@@cptrelentless80085 *dog food

[@bencarlson4300]

Could make an entire movie with that in the 90s

[@hellfirdragon17]

@@cptrelentless80085 Women be snackin

[@kimberlyoldschool]

Joe’s career is the real one that got torched. The bidding war for writers went off the rails in the 90’s - imagine paying over $3million for a script in 1990s dollars, much less one that’s hot garbage. Then he did Jade, and then An Alan Smithee film, and that was that.

[@ReverendMeat51]

I remember when the internet was new and I saw clips from this movie as a kid. Didn't know what sex was but assumed it involved a lot of flopping around

[@jeremy____5747]

It only involves a moderate amount of flopping around.

[@maireadajisola]

Rich's laugh is now an instant mood booster for me! Thank you!!!

[@ohdogwow2]

It's great to see Jay try to bring back the 90's with his "Rachel" from "friends" haircut!

[@ElArto95]

It took me this long to notice that Elizabeth Berkley in the poster was actually behind a curtain and wasn't a head with a single long deformed leg in a black void

[@dembro27]

Some kind of sexy noodle woman.

[@ryklatortuga4146]

Bit like the '89 BATMAN logo - is it a bat or some weird gold teeth

[@PetersonZF]

@@ryklatortuga4146 Oh God, I can't unsee that, now!

[@jimkocherful]

Actually it is a head with a single long deformed leg that is peeking out between two black curtains. No voids here.

[@volbla]

Wow. It took me until your comment to notice.

[@IrisCorven]

I love that for the past year or two, we've had a dedicated "Rich close-up reaction cam" on the couch. It's a welcomed addition.

[@artofsam]

Rich's story about his incident at the Oppenheimer screening is genuinely triggering, when cinemas are quiet or have a very respectful audience it can be a wonderful experience but when you get people like "them" who do nothing but ruin it for the rest of us the experience is honestly hell on earth. I really think if cinemas can't control who comes into the screen then it should be in their policy to issue refunds if they are going to allow these people to stay, if I can get a refund for my food being cooked to shit then we should all be able to get refunds for movies that get shit on by inconsiderate selfish cunts.

[@munkledinks8732]

Jay is slowly turning into the Big Lebowski day by day. Also Rich-Cam™ is great. I hope we see more.

[@MrPeteybelljr]

“The dude”

[@rhindlethered]

From Wikipedia: "While the film's theatrical run was underwhelming and did not recoup its budget, it went on to gross over $100 million in the home-video and rentals markets, and as of 2014, the film is still one of MGM's highest-selling movies." People wanting to watch this at home and not in public should surprise no one. (Whether it worked for them or not is their business.)

[@oogrooq]

Next time someone asks me where I'm from... "Different Places!" [slams down food].

[@Hellohallo]

as a dutch guy, hearing paul verhoeven exlpain it in dutch: he was used to european and dutch standards. much more free than america by far. America is so uptight about sex, and he was already a powerhouse in hollywood: what he said: he just wanted to pull up a middle finger to the USA attitude of pretending they dont have a big porn industry

[@florinivan6907]

Americans are prudish about sex for two reasons. One is the higher crime rate. More crime makes them automatically harsher on everything. Americans are far more prone to panic over everything. When someone has sex its not like in Europe something natural its a gateway to potential violence. Lets be fair it is a more violent society more recently traumatized. That's how they see it. Second they want to create the perfect system because they're the primary western country and they feel they have to rise to the occasion. Europeans went through two world wars we have no illusions about human nature. We know what humans are like and how in real life there are grey zones. Americans are black and white in attitude. Americans still have illusions about human nature. So they keep trying to create a perfect system that handles everything in every scenario just right. Obviously it fails and its a temptation far closer to North Korea than western liberalism.

[@Naztash]

Paul Verhoeven is not always perfect, but he always does the work.

[@Puerco-Potter]

He works for the money!🎶

[@grs10051997]

His European Movies are graat btw.

[@galenspikesmusic]

@@grs10051997does he turn it up for americans? never seen his european movies.

[@joelww2501]

@@Puerco-PotterSo hard for the money!

[@transformerstuff7029]

he always brings that Dutch flavor and is one of the few people Dutch are proud of lmao

[@FranklyImaPerson]

"Man, everybodys got AIDS and shit" is a good summary of Best of the Worst

[@SJ-mn9ut]

Aaaaaiiiiiiddds!!!

[@wyattmartin8551]

"Eating doesn’t involve killing each other, and maybe women can enjoy it as a game too.” -Toru Iwatani (creator of Pacman)

[@Kcoldraz]

I watched it when I was a teenager. I actually liked it. It seemed like a sports anime for exotic dancing.

[@rainbo777]

Omg excellent comparison, you’re so right

[@finlaywelburn]

Rich looks so happy to be watching showgirls

[@kenrickeason]

Well... As a straight man I would agree.. 😂

[@bluechalk6275]

I'm just as happy to watch Rich Evans 😉

[@abstractdaddy1384]

The world WAS ready for Paul Verhoeven. It no longer is. Rich killed me with that one. I literally had to pause the video I was laughing so hard.

[@lindseymutert4952]

The Robocop intercutting is brilliant

[@marabupb]

I have been waiting years for this re: View