SHRAPNEL BERET VS CAGE VS GAS TIGHT HELMETS - WHICH ONE IS BEST? FULL IN-DEPTH GUIDE - Once Human

[@JoeGambitz]

bro this is by far the most detailed regarding shrapnel information.. there are non video on how it truly works. you are very detailed and knowledgeable guy.. i really appreciated the time and effort to make this kind of video, that's explained why shrapnel new buff(gold) said increase 10% on all type shrapnel damage instead of (purple) canned meat 20% shrapnel dmg.

[@DUKEzors]

More Myelin Games does a great job too. But Doomeris tends to be more succinct with his math vids.

[@dougeglass7460]

“Not all heroes wear a cape” very detailed and explained in the simplest way possible! Appreciate it brother!

[@luhgaming3380]

the best shrapnel lesson, now i know how shrapnel play hands down thank you man and this is what CONTENT CREATING MEANS not just showing off a 360 aimbot shots, or jumping around getting in and out of a car then shoot noobs like us. the best man.. THE BEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSST XD

[@E.3M3.Y]

i know this type of video is boring for the pro out there, but this video is so helpful for someone noob like me. i bought the helmet cause dont know that that only make the gun didnt have multiply shrapnel which make the gun sucks. thank you for explaining it in more detail. now i know what's wrong with my set.

[@Meowiesse]

thanks for sharing this video.. the amount of efforts, time for testing and detailed info about all the helmets..

[@salreus]

I ran a boss test with Treant and consistently was able to finish quicker using Gas tight and SOCR over the other 2 options.

[@Doomeris]

gas tight can be better endgame with minmaxed mods for the socr, but if you dont have good mods early game, then beret it is

[@adamestes9745]

@@Doomeris It's because that 120% multiplier being it's own separate calculation. It makes a difference for builds that already have the mods to heavy stack crit damage. If you have heavy crit bonuses, then your single shrapnel hit with +120% damage will hit harder than the second hit part from the beret and be worth more. If you don't hit hard enough to make up for the missing hit, then beret wins.

[@Viel_Glueck]

Isn't gas tight on average always better no matter the crit rate, because the shrapnel damage is 2*2.2 = 4.4 while the beret is only 4*1 = 4.

[@ysnyldrm73]

9:06 that's a good straight line.

[@presnostix6125]

Great Video. Interesting as a Shrapnell User.

[@RealFabz]

'4+1 is 5' - Doomeris Nice vid mate, I finally understand this crap. They really need to stop putting university interns in charge of descriptions. It's so freaking annoying that basically 90%+ of descriptions are wrong or misleading.

[@Mikaile374]

Ain't no one doing content on OH like Doomyyy BRODAAA🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@psvpl]

Thanks, I love those mechanics videos for all the games.

[@ScarletStarManor]

A thermal tower being called powerpuff girls, is a hard bong joke, not gonna lie, good one.

[@DerLuk3]

Really good explanation

[@dei_stroyer]

I hope the devs use the $600 I spent on that car skin to fix descriptions.

[@JWatson2525]

**gas helmet exists** Doom: it does nothing!

[@Mafem_mfim]

In Shrapnel SOCR, the firefighter helmet is the best choice for PvP, ranking at least an A. Although switching to a beret was once worthwhile for PvE, the introduction of the Shrapnel LMG with its superior ammo capacity has made the cost-effective firefighter helmet the only option for Shrapnel SOCR.

[@RAGNAR-AR]

this is the best explanation i've ever seen man 👏 , tell me , when using the shrapnel scar, what gives better dps should i go 3 shraps with only 7 triggers to deal explosion or 4 shraps with 10 triggers to deal explosion?

[@goblin12]

I feel this video was made specifically for me lol thank you so much the way the helmet reads and works wasnt easy to understand luckly we have blyeprint conversion

[@skidbot]

good job bro i dont think it can be explained better I was saying that about the scar and berret since season 1 but ppl were saying I was delusional

[@DUKEzors]

It's weird that so many people call it Scar or SOCR. The classification is SOCR. The gun is Last Valor.

[@adamestes9745]

It's because the gun starts with SOCR as the name and is the only SOCR worth mentioning, as such it's easiest to just shorten it. When they add more SOCR, people will probably keep using it because it's habit at this point.

[@Pyonte]

I dont get something with damage. Why Gas Tight Helmet is worse than Beret, if Beret max can have 1-1-1-1 shrapnels and Gas can get max 1 + 120% dmg + 1 + 120% dmg ? Shouldnt the overall damage be better with Gas?

[@medibrace]

Right, he doesn't explain this

[@Doomeris]

because 4 shrapnel parts can crit, and 2 gas mask parts can not crit, which can result less dmg due to RNG

[@diludedyt8210]

Looking on this video and already have gotten the gas tight helmet yesterday 😀

[@jrandell217]

SOCR + Gas is the highest damage so much more consistently in every situation. Just costs more, but at rank 5s blow for blow, they're all good and it doesn't matter. It's literally negligible and all are capable of clearing the same content, but SOCR + Gas will consistently be the fastest / best in most situations, especially at max ranks. You hit 4 times for no increase damage... Or you can hit twice, each one doing 120% more.. that's the equivalent of hitting 4.4 times. Each one is hitting twice and then some as hard with the damage increase. So you can hit 4 times or you can hit twice for twice and then some as hard. Gas Tight Helmet + SOCR GG.

[@salreus]

Right. i wish he would have shown total dmg over x amount of shots. doing few shots does not show the true results.

[@Doomeris]

@@salreus this video isn't dps checking. it's how helmets work. it is RNG dependant. sometimes gas tight will do more damage and sometimes beret will do more because you get 4 shrapnels. these 4 shrapnels can crit and gas tight you get only 2 shrapnels which they can crit or not crit resulting in less/higher damage, it's a gambling machine. if you have high crit rate take gas tight, if you have low crit rate take beret.

[@qpappa318]

@@Doomeris Well the title of the video is Which one is the best though right? I think that should be included in the video somewhere then. I know "best" can be subjective but even the info you posted in this comment should be included at the end of the video.

[@Raven3557]

2 shrapnel hits with +120% is like the damage of 4.4 normal shrapnel which is more than the 4 of the beret in the crit case and 2.2 instead of 2 for non crit if I'm not mistaken. The gas mask seems just better ? Or am i missing something

[@HowlingDoom]

This games needs improvements on some many aspects, the most important is on the technical side(servers and optimization) but this games localization is awful too. My friend thinks it's not even localized but just machine translated and just slapped in and I can believe that. Great video Doomeris very informative. Quick question though, I'm thinking about doing a Frost Vortex build for the fun of it, would you suggest the Abyss Glance or Silent Anabasis?

[@Doomeris]

abyss glance seems to be stronger

[@atsukki]

shouldnt gas mask be the best on socr..? lets say shrapnel does 100 damage beret -> 4 shrapnels * 100 = 400 total dmg gas mask -> 100 + 120% = 220 * 2 shrapnels = 440 total dmg so its 10% damage increase

[@josuecalderon5796]

One of your best explanation videos. Others i get lost.. lol

[@tamop]

I just dont get it if the SOCR + explosive shrapnel is a good combo for real. You really need crit rate + crit dmg for the srapnel procs and damage overall, and by the next step you'll want to increase your shrapnel dmg itself, so the gaslight helmet looks like an intuitive choice? - - - - - - - Say, you have 50% crit count, exactly every second hit is a crit and all other stats are the same, X is bonus shrapnel dmg, A is crit dmg, weapon dmg goes as 1. So normal shrapnel hits for (0.5+X) dmg, crit shrapnel hits for (A+0.3)(0.5+X) dmg - so for the explosive shrap proc you'll go with Cage [+2 +3 +2 +3 +2 +3 +2 +3 BANG], 8 hits to do; with Gas [+2 ... +2 BANG], 10 hits to do; both dealt 20 shrapnel hits, both dealt 10 crit and 10 normal shrapnel hits. On the same count distance, like 40 hits (and same amount of weakpoint hits), Cage goes 5 explosions and Gas goes 4 explosions, both did 20 normal hits and 20 crits. So in this time Cage does 20+20(0.5+X) + 20A+20(A+0.3)(0.5+X) + 5(A+0.3)(0.5+X+3), and Gas does 20+20(0.5+(1+1.2)X) + 20A+20(A+0.3)(0.5+(1+1.2)X) + 4(A+0.3)(0.5+(1+1.2)X+3); or, simply, "Cage is better than Gas by" 1.05 + 3.5A - 27.8AX - 32.34X. If crit damage A stays the same and bonus shrapnel dmg X goes up, it means Gas perfomance goes better and better as well. So, in these conditions, when Cage and Gas deal the same dps? 1.05 + 3.5A - 27.8AX - 32.34X = 0 X = (1.05 + 3.5A) / (32.34 + 27.8A) Aaaaand now, if we use a graphic calculator here, it goes that X>0 with any A possible (A>0, obviously). When X is higher than the graphic's line, Gas perfoms better than Cage, and the graphic has the horisontal asymptote is at around 0.12589928. So it means that Gas is guaranteed better than Cage at 50% crit rate if you have more than 12.6 bonus shrapnel dmg, if I added +120% Gas multiplier right. Or you can sheck how much bonus shrapnel dmg you should have by the X > (1.05 + 3.5A) / (32.34 + 27.8A) formula (A is your total crit dmg). - - - - - - - At 100% crit rate it will be Cage dealing 3 shrapnels every hit and exploding every 6th or 7th hit, so on the same count distance, like 20 hits, it will be: Cage 60 shrapnel hits, 3 explosions; Gas 40 shrapnel hits, 2 explosions. In this time Cage does 20A + 60(A+0.3)(0.5+X) + 3(A+0.3)(0.5+X+3), and Gas does 20A+40(A+0.3)(0.5+(1+1.2)X) + 2(A+0.3)(0.5+(1+1.2)X+3). "Cage is better than Gas by" (A+0.3)(13.5-29.4X) Same process: bonus shrapnel dmg X goes up, the gape in the perfomance between Cage and Gas goes down. Cage and Gas here will be as good when 13.5-29.4X=0 or X = 0.4592. Cage and Gas are as good at bonus srapnel dmg equal 46% when crit rate is 100%, and when your bonus shrapnel dmg is bigger - Gas mask is better. - - - - - - - Now, there are three things here: first, I really hope I didn't messed this up; second, I really don't know what conclusion I should make here; third, I really hate equations with three or more variables. And I don't have any juice left to build up a formula for the "crit rate is not a fixed value" here. - - - - - - - I guess I'd like to say "for me the Gas Tight Mask seems to be better in the most realistic situations here, but no promises". This math is freaknig me off.

[@francobuzzetti9424]

tl;dr : have parts? need triggers, have triggers? need parts

[@ell22122]

nice video amigoo subbed and likes

[@Xeno326]

Nice, so we know how shrapnel and hit parts work with the keyword. Conclusion was left out; which configuration does the most dps output?

[@Fatalbunny87]

Ty for clearing that up!!!!

[@Scared6971]

Oh my god in the german descripton says +1 and +120% damage and i wonder why no one use this gas helmet. Thanks for this nice video. I dont run sharpel build it was only for a friend but thats makes it even worse for me

[@extbr3akz]

excellent Riskeris

[@johntexan4165]

Screwed by the crappy description of that fireman’s helmet. I could tell within ten minutes of wearing it that it was under whelming.

[@Raven3557]

Would you recommend the scar with lone wolf 4p + bastille 1p + beret for someone that started playing last week ?

[@Doomeris]

sure, i have the best guide on the channel for that build: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqHCZ5eZo8-Xbac

[@Sukzess89]

Nice explanation video. I like it very much but you dont say which one ist the best helmet for each weapon or did i missed it?

[@Doomeris]

whichever procs more shrapnels is better

[@Sukzess89]

@@Doomerisso you would Rank Beret > Cage > Gas tight for Scar?

[@rumtata]

Well done m8😊

[@sirdigbychickencaesar71]

I keep seeing videos about shrapnel builds, has something changed? iv only just finished getting all the stuff for my bingo build, was this a mistake to make?

[@Doomeris]

nothing changed, just cradle buffs and the new shrapnel gun

[@sirdigbychickencaesar71]

@@Doomeris ah thankyou, I was shitting myself for a min there lol

[@tulamar]

Great video, thanks mate! A personal favorite for each weapon? Especialy for those, who don´t have the beret and want to use the SOCR?

[@Doomeris]

use the gas tight helmet with scar if you dont have beret, but like beret will do way better early game than gas tight

[@tulamar]

@@Doomeris thanks mate! ❤️

[@TheKobool]

Soo. Barret for scar and cage for LMG

[@JunjiC]

I don't usually comment on videos but i have to let you know how awesome this is. Great video! Any plans to do other guns?

[@Doomeris]

you can leave a comment what videos you want to see, 80% of the guns i already covered on this channel just need to search

[@Novarics]

So what’s the highest dps weapon and armor combo for shrap now?

[@thejesteramongfools]

Based on this video It really depends on your weapon choice: LMG - Cage Helmet SOCR - Barret MP7 - Cage Helmet Pistol - Barret for budget or Cage Helmet if you are using explosive shrap Mod Blue AK - Barret for budget or Cage Helmet if you are using explosive shrap Mod Gas-Tight can only really be useful on the Pistol or AK IF you want another multiplier for damage and not another damage proc. they almost amount to the same but matter when it comes to mod triggers.

[@Novarics]

@@thejesteramongfools it cant depend though. The nature of the question implies one answer which is what weapon and armor combo has the highest dps output.

[@Doomeris]

@@Novarics it depends on your minmaxed mod stats, thats when gas tight becomes useful. otherwise beret will do more damage with dusty in DPS

[@Novarics]

@@Doomeris well yea, but my question was much more blanket like assuming you have everything min maxed what is the currently highest dps build for shrapnel in terms of armor + weapon combo? For example does the new lmg out dps socr when we compare their most min maxed builds?

[@Doomeris]

@@Novarics i don't have good mods to test any of these weapons dps, but the new lmg has to have the highest dps

[@MrLilhauughh]

Great video. My question is, which helmet would I wear if I ran the scar and mg4 with 4 wolf and 1 bastille? Beret, Gas or Cage. This will be used for dungeons only. Thanks

[@Doomeris]

beret

[@MrLilhauughh]

Thank you for the response. So would you run both the SCAR & MG4 or one or the other with Wildfire? If only one shrapnel weapon, which one and which helmet to go along with the following: 4 Lonewolf, 1 Bastille, Wildfire

[@Doomeris]

@@MrLilhauughh beret for scar and mg4 needs cage so your build will be incompatible, run a bingo with mg4 or wildfire for the extra dmg buffs

[@HolladieFrechfee]

So just to make sure, since my english skills aren't the best and before OH i wasn't familiar with guns at all😄 If i play MG4 and wear the helmet.. the MAX amount of shrapnels is 10, right? Currently i have 211 mag capacity.. buuut I replaced 2 gold "crit dmg" mods for blue "crit dmg" und gold / purple "mag capacity" to get to this size. Now i'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off changing back for crit dmg since i apparently can't get more shrapnels anyway? 🤔 I appreciate any help ♥️

[@Doomeris]

if you wear cage helmet you will get 10 shrapnels. any other helms will give you max 6 or 1. as long as you have mag size above 160 you're fine. put overflow calibration on it and get all mods with crit dmg, make sure to use gold mods and not blue mod, unless you have bad gold mod then you can stick with blue mod on the chest piece

[@HolladieFrechfee]

okay, then I got it right.. ty for your answer, appreciated! Overflow calibration dropped only 3 times for me, all 3 times sadly with elemental.. so either the calibration drop rate is bad af or my luck is😂

[@TheJustHans]

which one is overall better for PVE? this mg4 sharpnel or mp7 power surge?

[@JaxxedGaming]

How is the Wildfire and Bingo doing this new season? Should I try a new build or stick to what I already have?

[@xxbrokensoulxx4651]

Feels good. Hard Bosses No Problem. Pro not Out yet.

[@minhnguyenhong2498]

Thank you for a very nice and detailed video. Can you help me find beret frag in new map way of winter ?

[@donromantiko8616]

This is incredibly helpful, and your explanation is clear and thorough. Thank you so much!

[@fryaduck]

@Doomeris My testing confirms, MG4 (196 rnd mag, Cage Helmet) 22k dps sustained. SCAR (55 rnd mag, Beret) 16k dps sustained. Damage per magazine, SCAR (55) 111k, MG4 (196) 337k. IMO MG4 wins.

[@mrboxy3970]

Did we watch the same video? MG4: gains shrapnel damage +15% for every 100 rounds, peak being 161 round breakpoint for +4 additional hit points, and to hit it you need a capacity mod. SOCR: gains 0% from capacity boost, using a different key modifier. ??? This is like saying you used elemental boost with the ice fish then tested the blunt fish with the same ele boost. Edit: TL;DR you tested more hits with a +15% boost against base yes it will be more damage. Fix the setups and test again, favoring one side doesn't equate.

[@fryaduck]

@@mrboxy3970 Ok

[@samuelfischer736]

Thank you so much for this! I finally have a workable shrapnel build! I had the gas tight helmet on and it was totally ruining what is now a viable and even decent PvE build.

[@macvexed]

been months since this game released, and they didnt even bother making the translation accurate so that players wont be confused :(

[@markanthonytan5460]

Which is god in dps now its jaws or the lmg sharpnel?

[@hanismike2361]

where did you get the top? cant find any blurprint

[@charliemongi7298]

Let him cook.

[@trixzels]

OMG BROODA DOOM, I FCKN LOVE YOU BRODA (no homo) NOW I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS SHARPNEL THING WORKS, THANK YOU SOO MUCH SIR

[@gran7773]

so beret for the socr?

[@albert1moreno190]

Can I request for an update build for KAM (frost vortex)? Thanks!!

[@thejesteramongfools]

If someone runs Schrepel they HAVE to watch this video. Great work thank you for clarifying this for everyone. also LMG with Cage for 10 total hits seems OP lol

[@EBRAHIM_12-c5z]

When you can play last day again?

[@iwjfhaifn2950]

doomeris graduated at harvard

[@Aikz00]

whats the best helmet piece and mask mod for dusty?

[@thejesteramongfools]

Dusty isn't going to preform like the LMG or Socr and if you are looking for an early build the AK requires less investment. That said I did try to make a weakspot built with the dusty the problem is with all that weak point you would want the shrap to be hitting weakspots as well the only mod that helps that doesn't guarantee it which is what you would want. Either way you want cage or barret because they give you double procs. If you plan to use the explosive mod then use the Cage since it will cut your needed procs to 10 instead of 20. Hope that helps

[@diamondbackspartan3204]

@@thejesteramongfools the selling point of the dusty is that the shrap is unique and can hit already hit parts, unlike the other shrap guns. read description on it again.

[@thejesteramongfools]

@diamondbackspartan3204 right like weakspot however the mod that helps this the 300% weak spot influence one doesn't guarantee it. (which it would be better if it did) the explosion one would need 60% of the mag or more depending on set up and no other good mods for shrapnel exist. So you then pair it with the bingo or the wildfire and at the end of the day you would just get more damage using those alone. sorry to say there just isn't a good build with it. Maybe one you could do content with. maybe one you could even clear some things solo with some effort but not like true builds. It needs more support like maybe on there they add a line of like "200% weight for weak spot shrapnel hit" to Dusty itself then you pair it with the 300% mod and you might have something but for now it's a early build at best.

[@diamondbackspartan3204]

@@thejesteramongfools look at the latest G17 videos, thing is sick. And like every other pistol they just wreck regardless. THe mod you want on the dusty isnt the one you're talking about.

[@johnescalante3221]

sooo, gas helmet is useless for Scar LAst Valor??? should i use cage helmet or beret instead???

[@brianm1395]

This is my thought exactly, dude in my discord is saying how the pros all use the Gas Helm with the valor and thats what his 'paid website' is saying, and my math just aint mathing. To me you would want to max your crit chance and crit damage then apply any other buffs you can to maximize it but this build doesn't do any elemental damage early game so I am always like the lowest damage player in a run so its like did I just waste 8k+ starcrom

[@ArturCortez-og5gy]

Now the question is: Which does the most dmg?

[@Doomeris]

the one that hits most shrapnel parts

[@DK-oh4wv]

Soo I need to find the beret😂

[@reggieosbourne]

The video actually starting at the start and not 7-10 mins in? AND timestamps Wtf did you do with the real doomeris?

[@danni222]

so mg4 better than scar

[@snekers2038]

So for SOCR berret is still best ?

[@Doomeris]

yes

[@Kupoinfo]

What I understood, is that the gas-tight helmet is best for SOCR, and caged helmet for any other shrapnel weapon.

[@Doomeris]

@@Kupoinfo why do you think that? the gas tight has 2 shrapnels max for scar and 1 without scars passive. beret has 4 max and 2 without scars passive

[@BigHotCrispyFry]

What doom is saying is that gas tight is only good when the gun doesn't have a passive that triggers hit/target part

[@Mafem_mfim]

@@Doomeris If you have a cage helmet and the new Shrapnel LMG, the combination of SOCR and a beret is likely unnecessary in terms of sustainability. The only differentiation would be that SOCR emphasizes burst damage, making Gas-tight highly recommended to maximize damage per Shrapnel. It also offers great cost performance. In practice, when comparing Gas-tight to a beret, the damage output of Gas-tight is superior.

[@Begun2703]

yipeee

[@Mindgoblinzo]

Where to get beret on way of winter

[@Doomeris]

cant

[@captainmee3469]

ok so gas helmet is good for what weapon ?

[@Doomeris]

only dusty and thats only when you have minmaxed mods

[@thetokyo3142]

First 🎉

[@fu6817]

Dude you don't telling anything about the results, a.k.a "WHICH ONE IS BEST?", literally from your title. You know nobody cares how many hits or parts the combos do, all we care about is dps, which you don't even touch in your "FULL IN-DEPTH GUIDE". Going a bit more critical, you don't really do the "SHRAPNEL BERET VS CAGE VS GAS TIGHT HELMETS" part either, making the whole video not related to the title. It wasn't helpful at all, i didn't get the answers the title promised. Clickbaiting on purpose?

[@Sanotsuke]

so gas mask is all time useless ? XD

[@Hydekel-]

so: gas tight is ass, don't buy it lol

[@Doomeris]

it depends on your mods, thats the only time when you use it