What happens at 20,000 VR? | Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

Nintendo's online worldwide rating system will never make sense. Also everyone picking yoshi will never make sense.
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combo used:
king boo / teddy buggy / roller / cloud glider
(this is my best combo or main combo)

[@fatbreadsan]

The guy saying acceleration is the most important stat has gone real quiet after seeing king boo outrun a blue shell at 200cc

[@Shortcat321]

Why have acceleration when you could just not get hit??

[@wilpalkia]

Wut?

[@Hungary_0987]

@@wilpalkiaidunno

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

At 200cc ​you can just outrun the blue shell if you have a fast enough kart. Some people like acceleration but sometimes speed can be better.

[@MapologyYT]

@@wilpalkiaThere is a clip of king boo’s high speed allowing him to outrun a blue shell on 200cc

[@kaloncpu57]

That reveal of the whole room using Yoshi Teddy Buggy was so good

[@Shortcat321]

The cherry on top was the bottom 3 having a different combo. Peak Mario kart

[@kaloncpu57]

@@Shortcat321 Truly

[@lorebanjo8516]

It's really making me nostalgic fir the days of waluigi wiggler

[@chao-thereal]

​@@Shortcat321shortcat I'm begging you why are you not uploading on jperm. Are you quitting cubing? 😭

[@sebastianmjynapiermjy]

@@chao-thereal???????

[@hariman7727]

Outrunning the Blue Shell was impressive.

[@maildaemon]

For almost a full lap, no less... truly a 200cc moment

[@slapdog7273]

its not that hard just pick a fast combo and try to neutral drift

[@IronBlaze77]

Hearing Daisy say “Bye bye!” after slipstreaming Shortcat at 6:13 before proceeding to trail him is so funny to me.

[@Shortcat321]

She thinks she outplayed me but I just got forced to bag and that was my powerup

[@DanielDeLeon69]

​@@Shortcat321I've Never Hear Daisy Say Bye Bye!😅

[@user-1mc0n4us.ed-_-]

Same for me with the Rosa at 7:30 saying “See ya” after both Shortcat and the Daisy were hit by the bob-omb.

[@los-lobos]

@amniositystop trying to get attention

[@FinleyBagley]

Repent to God

[@JonzaGoodGuy]

I did NOT know you could outrun a blueshell for THAT long, thats insane lmao

[@Shortcat321]

200cc is basically a mod

[@DragonZaid6]

It's not that uncommon in 200cc. The game was never really designed around it existing and they never updated it to make it as polished as 150cc.

[@AeyakS]

As long as you're max speed, aren't taking sharp turns and remain in a neutral (+0 direction) drift, you can outrun it forever pretty much.

[@slapdog7273]

@@Shortcat321 lol! you should try mkwii retro rewind 500cc mod its crazy. also we love Jperm bring it back

[@Bryan.Hernandez]

Mario Kart makes is hard to achieve 10,000VR and then 20,000VR when you're close to it. When you're around 8-9k or 17-19k, most of the time you're put in a room with people that have less VR then you. So when you get a good placement you'll get very little VR but if you get a bad placement, you lose a lot of VR. It's annoying

[@bananaking3236]

Hey man. I live in asia. The servers are so bad i can't even play online. Yes iv'e tried a lan adapter and still nothing. Just be happy you can play online

[@Shortcat321]

It's worth noting that being in a room with lower VR players probably means it will be easier for you to win as well, so it kind of evens out.

[@TheeOnlyStolas]

@@bananaking3236bing chilling

[@thegamerhawk69]

​@@bananaking3236skill issue

[@Unmustache1]

Why are half of the people replying being rude?

[@azzlckdavid517]

26:23 First of all crazy how Shortcat outran the blue shell and second ,Noooo we didn't get to hear the "oof" after getting after the line 😢😂

[@Shortcat321]

Gotta keep you on ur toes

[@h3r01cviii5]

nah the oof sound got removed in roblox, gotta use the new one 🤢🤮

[@starrstruck]

one of my toxic traits is thinking I could easily beat anyone at this level easily when I only have 9000 VR

[@carstengrooten3686]

Relatable. But Its partially bc I play for many years now but just got an online subscription so I am still rising pretty fast

[@jeremyabbott4537]

Me: Yeah I could probably beat these guys Also Me: *Drifts into walls regularly*

[@lazypaladin]

I'll one up ya, I've never played Online and I bet I could whoop them with Lakitu.

[@grrumakemeangry]

same lmaooo

[@grrumakemeangry]

@@jeremyabbott4537same XDDD

[@originami9199]

i want you to know that everytime i open youtube i check your channel hoping you've uploaded... shortcat is the goat all around, cool personality, good at the game, pleasant voice etc.

[@Shortcat321]

Thank you so much :) I'll need to get even better at the game now though since I have tougher competition

[@laser_uhhhh]

the bell icon:

[@saltyowl3229]

The really low VR people might just be splitscreen with higher level friends! I can definitely get an argument for “people will be alright against people as good as their friends, but people playing on their own wont enjoy an inability to win”

[@Balthazar228]

I was blown away by Shortcat having 20,000, but after seeing that one player in the lobby with 57,000 only gaining 2 for getting third, I wonder how many games they must have played…

[@Sparklee_Gem]

I picked up mk8 deluxe after a while of not playing and only playing casually when I had and felt really discouraged after trying to play online I was suddenly recommended your channel and checked it out. I’ve seen all your videos at this point and now feel so much better about what I need to do to practice and improve, and I have excitement for playing the game again!! Thanks for all your content, you put a lot of effort into explaining everything and it really helps new to competitive players. It’s also super fun to watch! 🙏🏼✨

[@Shortcat321]

That's awesome! It's very easy to feel like "i'm doing everything i can" in pretty much anything you learn, until you watch someone achieve better results by doing different things. I'm glad I could help you have more fun!

[@KnockOut49]

Bro the bullet + lightning RNG on cheese land was the most shortcat moment of all time and I am all here for it 🗣️😭

[@WordFyle]

2:15 a big part of that is actually the different culture around video games in Japan, America is more focused on casual enjoyment and Japan on competitive improvement

[@s0d761]

Shortcat is so chill its addicting

[@ehrlichergobbler]

13:00 that reveal of the Yoshi hive mind with the boom sound got me ngl

[@autismandgaming4532]

Meanwhile in Wii U Mario Kart 8 when you’re almost at 10,000 vr you end up in 80,000 vr Lobbies

[@Notsoweezy]

I don’t play this game or Nintendo at all but this sparked the child in me and for a solid 30 minutes I forgot about all my problems in life. And was so focus on you explaining the game as you played great video.

[@CitryteYT]

Watching your videos has inspired me to play online more often, and the things I learned from you and a few other youtubers have taken me from not really playing consistently to going from 4000 to 5000 VR in a single day, and I feel confident that I could make it to 10000 soon too! So thanks for reigniting my passion for this game, even if I will adamantly use the B-Dasher despite its stats 😂

[@viveroblo2985]

I despise people who say "first" with a burning passion

[@Popgoes-zr5ps]

Oops

[@Biscuitaly]

first

[@yaboisurge]

First

[@HumbleJesus]

Lowest of the low

[@Popgoes-zr5ps]

@@HumbleJesus I agree I am the lowest of the low

[@craftyg9827]

I don't know if you take stupid idea suggestions, but you might want to try max invincibility. I'd recommend BabyRosa/GLA/Off-Road/GoldenGlider. You could also use Petey for high speed.

[@Shortcat321]

Thanks, i'll definitely do max invincibility sometime!

[@Seven--]

Congrats on hitting 20k now your rooms are going to be a little tougher

[@MarioKartz3861]

I reached 99999 VR back on August 14th 1:43 am. The VR journey took me nearly 8 months... The rooms get tough for real especially the 70,000+ VR players...

[@Seven--]

@randomworld3861 props to you, man. I definitely don't have the mental capacity to grind vr like that. I started playing a year ago, and I just reached 26k today 😆.

[@Seven--]

@randomworld3861 I mainly play competitive as well.

[@MarioKartz3861]

@@Seven-- cool job as well!

[@stealthxg5045]

Hope you did it global rather than regional. I see too many 99999 VR players in regional and they're honestly not that good. Their skill most of the time is comparable to a 20000-30000 VR player in global.

[@djroscurro9859]

the blue shell chase at the end was insane lmao

[@BrandonChen-sdef123]

Shortcat, don’t be intimidated by these high VR Japanese players, you have a higher cute stat than all these Yoshi Teddy Buggies

[@mews75]

This quickly becoming my favorite channel Keep it up!

[@BrandonChen-sdef123]

Shortcat’s cheese land races are so good that I almost think he edits out his bad ones 😂😂😂

[@Shortcat321]

Mario kart has so many tracks that these anomalies happen for sure. I usually do great on cheese land, but as soon as I start recording, the most insane stuff happens. My waluigi stadium win streak is another example of all my luck concentrating onto one track

[@joshiboy9157]

Hey man, I just got 10,000VR, and I really just have you to thank, you have been so helpful and so much fun to watch! Keep doing what your doing, it’s great!

[@splash7351]

CMON 200K! Ur videos just keep on getting better. I don't know what it is but ur doing something right.

[@banjofett3949]

Hey friend, new sub here. I love your gameplay and also love that you have clean language and refrain from blasphemy, kudos and keep up the nice work

[@cinderling]

im not even into mario kart like that but this is probably one of my fav channels LOL. makes me want to play more :3

[@FikoTheMonkey]

Shortcat : *frontruns* literally 1.5 seconds after Tallcat : bags Smurfcat guy : bagging is the best!

[@laser_uhhhh]

we love we live we lie

[@los-lobos]

What?

[@poombie]

im just glad the new meta character is yoshi so at least there is some variety with yoshis colors

[@ulysses7157]

You're channel makes me so hyped when you play to the point that it makes me act like an excited kid. You literally brought the kid out of me!

[@azzlckdavid517]

The "Japanese" lag is haunting Shortcat for Halloween 👻

[@someguy787]

he said its on the other side of the world but its actually pretty close to us

[@laser_uhhhh]

why did you put japanese in quotation marks

[@jason_zer0]

@@someguy787depends on what side of Canada he’s on

[@azzlckdavid517]

@@laser_uhhhh because japanese lag isn't really a thing it's more like japanese people lagging. I just thought it would be fitting

[@Samnad0]

As a player who has 5000 vr only I can tell you how bad grouping is. When I first started playing I would get people in the same range as me but now I get players who are more than double my vr. I’ve seen 20 and even 25k players in my rooms!

[@Shockwave5140]

Been loving the content recently, it brings to light how much skill can go into MK. Just wondering if you would ever consider streaming MK, maybe just grinding VR, or messing around with random combos?

[@Buckethead_Zombie_real]

Me and the boys getting ready to go in to 20,000 VR with the same bog standard competitively viable combo 13:02

[@nekorion]

i love piranha plant slide, would love to see a time trial for it. Its one of the more complex tracks in terms of lines

[@JacksonMahlberg]

26:18, I stg there was someone else there, like in person. though funny that blue shell just floated

[@SnowDK_Austra]

Dude you're shortcat you da GOAT you cant loose to people who have 10K more VR than you

[@jeremydanner6421]

Then how did I get placed with a 99999 vr person?

[@J.A.G790]

Great video, fun to follow your progress! And an episode on Piranha Plant Slide would be interesting, I think a lot of us struggle with this track

[@unnamedtoaster]

Oh wow, I never realized that there were such strict categories. But I will say, as someone currently in between 10k and 20k VR, the chaos is real! It feels like everyone is a competent driver but also a gremlin. A part of me wonders if I'll see a similar result once I break the 20k barrier. The ironic thing about playing optimally is that it also makes you predictable to other high-level players. But with good, but not great, players, you can totally get blindsided by something that's so dumb that it shouldn't work, but ends up working because you didn't prepare for it.

[@CR33P_000]

just got mario kart bc of u thank you so much for the content

[@silverna7404]

Are you J perm? If so I love this channel anyway

[@PatchiKnowledge]

the sound effect that you use at 13:00 always cracks me up no matter how many times you use it

[@christophermason5088]

this guy is nice to have on as background noise its somehow calming ....also that orange yoshi he reshows just had a star inside of a boo thats why he just randomly appeared

[@Kai-vo9hl]

Thank you for the video! I am very new to Mario Kart 8 Online, and I was at around 1600 VR when I got matched against someone who had, I kid you not, 63k VR. I do not really understand how the system works, and especially now that I've learned 20k is already high, I am very confused as to how that person got 63k VR, and how they got matched against me when I'm a beginner. Everyone else had around the same points as me too! It was on worldwide, maybe an error?

[@Shortcat321]

Worldwide is not just matchmaking, you can also join other people's rooms through the "friends" option, instead of worldwide/regional. Also, 2 people of very different VR can get into the same room by playing 2-player online from the same switch. So it's probably one of those that happened!

[@Kai-vo9hl]

@@Shortcat321 Ohhh, thank you! That makes sense! So when I joined worldwide, I might've ended up in a room made by friends that had different VR? The guy wasn't teamed up with anyone from his own country. Thank you very much for explaining!

[@chamab.6800]

@2:45 ish. Thank goodness you said that. I’m in the states but I’m up at night and tend to play against mostly Japanese players. I’ve been taken out by invisible weapons and players. I thought maybe I was just tired. 😅

[@jacobg8436]

As someone who recently hit 10k VR, how I'm pretty sure the matchmaking works is that its categorizes for every 1k up till 10k where then its does it for every 10k

[@Shortcat321]

That seems accurate in my experience!

[@theanswers3186]

Clicked on this video thinking it was a guy playing in 20000 cc in virtual reality. Bro was decieving

[@Ilyjesus444]

HOLLY SHOOT I REMEMBER WHEN U HAD 30K!! ❤WOWWWW OMGGGG CONGRATULATIONS ON 180K!

[@mysticmaya9426]

I love that strat of bagging/frontrun depending what happens to you. I usually do the same unless it's Cheese Land type of tracks. If I get mario karted, I might as well bag a little

[@Wadeypooo]

“It’s getting a little bit later into the day, and the Japanese Players are waking up.” Funniest part of the video to me.😂

[@lemonfry26]

Outrunning that blue shell at the end is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen

[@robbierotten2215]

21:42 that was one of the nastiest bumps i have ever seen

[@brandon0702]

I always enjoy watching your videos. Looking forward to the next one. 😁

[@prof7304]

You could make a smurth account called "the friendly smurth" and then everytime you play ranked you wait in the finish line and let other people win XD This might come off a bit arrogantly tho...

[@lepsko_Bread]

I can't wait to become as good as you are Shortcat! I still have to learn a lot and make better short cuts. I am now at something like 11400 VR and it is very fun now to play online

[@ShyGal3]

after recently seeing Shortcat's Tick Tock Clock time trials video it's just so satisfying to see him win on the first race

[@BudzxP]

15:55 that was a really close banana Snipe, dangers everywhere at +20000VR

[@Hydra3001]

Time to creat an alt and call it SmurfCat

[@BrandonChen-sdef123]

I love how you change your name for every video 😂😂😂

[@Izice_]

I like your content. I'm not even that big of a mario kart fan I barely play it at all. Would write an essay to explain what is great in your content and all that but I have a headache but you'll figure it out on your own do your thing and I'll enjoy it

[@bosoxdanc1]

My favorite thing so far in MK8 online is being like 1050 rated (maybe 10 races or so online) and having a lobby with multiple 50k+ and a 99999. Good work, Nintendo.

[@wesleywheeler7891]

Shortcat's the real MVP. He could have just kept all his game knowledge to himself to continue dominating the rest of us

[@DulceCastillo-j9u]

Thank you shortcat I love your channel

[@iCyee5G]

Shortcat!!! Love your vids man. Waiting on the edge of my seat for beginner to pro! Keep up the great content. ❤

[@onebear6504]

Congratulations on getting to the realm of 20k players! It's a new era of shortcat content with new tracks (first time Singapore Speedway appeared in your video I think) and new rivals! Also, although I am no expert, but my guess with why they just categorize your VR rather than grouping with people of the same VR is as a *performance shortcat* . If the system computes your VR with those matching up of similar VR, it needs to track said individuals one by one, checks them against your VR, calculates how far your VR is to them, and repeat until it creates a group that averages the VR in the room. Plus the system will do all this all at once (multitask) per player. But if there's a category in advance, the system don't need to check individuals one by one and just look at the tag and stuff them to the closest group. Perhaps some outliers (way higher or lower than the category) appeared here and there due to lack of available players to match up at that instant and the system just f it and put them anywhere available within good connection range so they can deal with the next people waiting. Just my guess though, I am by no means an expert with software, but I think it's likely to be a *shortcat* so there's not much computation for the system to do (less load = less loading times and faster response). Perhaps, online games with silver gold platinum rank or something do something similar to match up faster.

[@Shortcat321]

From what I know about coding, I imagine that keeping track of the average VR in a room would be almost as easy as tagging the room with a category like "10k to 20k". It seems like a really simple thing that Nintendo just decided isn't necessary. It would take more work to do for sure, but that work is less than a millisecond per each person who joins or leaves. P.S. Singapore speedway appeared in my "no handling" video!

[@BrandonChen-sdef123]

Shortcat is the perfect mix between a bagger and a frontrunner

[@guillaumegil5964]

Bagging players are the worst thing in this game. Such a joy to beat them

[@fowox_]

Hey shortcat, can u tell me how to practice? Cause ill do time trials and stuff, but i dont really feel like im getting better, help?

[@CheesyLizzy]

I did not know Yoshi Teddy was the new meta 😆 My lil sis who loved that combo a few years ago is gonna be happy

[@RealSilGaming]

Shortcat, I don't know if you know this, but the item distribution is only affected by distance from first place, not the place nor number of players.

[@Benny_Blue]

Tl;dr: Race with the kart build with max handling AND traction. Nerd version: Kart challenge: Use the setup with the max value of traction _times_ handling. You said in your handling video that you need traction to actually make use of a high handling stat. Maximizing the product of the two will reward builds that strike a balance of both (10 traction and 10 handling makes 100, while 19 handling and 1 traction makes 19). That way, there’s a “right answer” for what kart to use.

[@TheBena007]

Congrats on 20,000 VR shortcat :D

[@Tamar233]

That backed red on Piranha Plant Pipeway/Slide killed me. xD

[@Neuviroli]

once at 2k VR a japanese player with 40k joined the room and I was so confused because I couldn't understand why nintendo would put someone who was like 20x the VR of the entire room in a room with us lol

[@jakksy_]

I feel like MK8D handles Online matchmaking with VR similarly to the VR settings in the settings when you're creating a tournament, just a hunch.

[@FondantApple]

As of current state of playing this game in at 4.5k VR atm I still really love the king boo combo you have a lot ^^ cause king boo is my main too cause he's cute ^^ maybe one day I probably should aim for 10k VR. I don't have the best track knowledge in certain tracks, but I do know certain shortcuts in lot of other tracks! But that last part had me dying XD you litterally outran a blue shell. Which makes me wonder if you are able to outrun it if you had 1 less coin instead of 10. But very nice video shortcat!!

[@Shortcat321]

I'm no 200cc expert, but the coins definitely make a difference. Losing 1 coin probably won't make it impossible to outrun, but it would make it less lenient. I'd have to be more perfect with neutral drifting and I won't be allowed to lose as much speed.

[@ectoplasma1999]

You know I feel like a big reason why the acceleration stat is so much less useful than speed and mini-turbo is because of what other stats it comes with. Having high acceleration has really good synergy with high speed for obvious reasons, but there’s no way you can build your combo to allow for that. Instead acceleration is maxed out when your speed is as LOW as possible, when it objectively makes the least sense to have it high. So when you don’t need it it’s in abundance, and when it would actually be really nice to have you get none. Just some food for thought, great video btw!

[@jackc8358]

The way you’ve never once played battle mode 😭 I find it even more fun online tbh

[@EndietheEnderman]

The glazing for Japan is crazy

[@jodie9619]

Coming back to this video to say that i really loved this video and I would pay to see a reeally long video like this everyday

[@vesper_cheese]

Shortcat you HAVE to be J Perm, you're both Canadian, both love games and making youtube videos and you sound identical!! your personalities are also quite similair

[@Hensley_Jb]

I love shortcats videos with a calming inclination

[@TehFoamy]

6:20 Getting hit by two Boos within like 10 seconds of each other is crazy 💀

[@Nathan-rhino]

Crazy blueshell dodge guy tricked the shell into thinking he was in 2nd. Can never underestimate high VR!

[@sargentnocap1414]

Worldwide is absolutely nuts when you hit 20k+ I’m currently at 28k vr or so but every lobby I get put into everyone is above 20k or 30 or higher. I still pull wins often it’s just way more chaotic if you can’t stay in front of the pack.

[@ignaciogarciamartin4089]

1:10 Was that a mushroom in the first place?!!!

[@gittesanddahl9873]

2nd place

[@The_Dealmaker992]

Looks like Hydreix was right. 20 000 VR is the great filter between low VR and high VR.

[@kone_of_LU_BU]

I’m currently 9800 VR, on one hand it irks me getting out in rooms with players that are 13000+ - 99000 VR lobbys. It’s super intimidating and never any fun, because it’s full of Yoshi teddy buggy try hards. Then on the other hand (that also irks me) you get placed in 900+ - 7000 VR lobbys. It sucks because even if I win I don’t win much in VR, but if I Lose then I get f*cked out of a lot of VR usually because of the room being so imbalanced. I try to aim for room that are 8000+ - 11000 VR because it’s pretty even that way. :0

[@aquawrld]

I’m at 12K VR at the moment and it’s been a journey that’s for sure. Can’t imagine 20K

[@CoopDawg-v8i]

I swear, I'm at 2000 vr and everyone else in this lobby was except for one person, and they were at 31,000 vr

[@shadeknight6537]

There's a saying in martial arts that the most difficult opponent for a black belt to face is a white belt because they don't know what they're doing, and neither does the black belt. I believe the same holds true not just for Mario Kart, but a lot of competitive games like Splatoon, where the lower ranks are the hardest to get out from because nobody knows what they're doing, therefore you don't know what they're gonna do.

[@maraico]

i remember subscribing to this channel at 900 subscribers. Now you are at 178 K thats so insane

[@andrebaroni9276]

I’m brasilian and love your videos, congratulations😉

[@kaptenteo]

I always thought that people with like 50k or more were just cheating their scores. I'm not even at 10k yet, but still often meet players who have a whole lot more. Even 99k.

[@markbless419]

Livestream play with subs? My VR is low bc I don't get the chance to play much, but I'm curious to play with better players

[@oh7ven]

thanks for the content while i was setting up my oh main cube