Skill Tier List in 2024 2/3 | Darkest Dungeon

Fellow DD content creator @THEREALSPARTAN and I dive through the entire cast in this 3 part series discussing hero skills. The 2 of us have a lot of collective experience, so diving into the mechanics and history is sure to be a fun time.
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[@urnx6172]

The 170 accuracy always gets the spotlight on target whistle. But don’t forget it also lasts 4 rounds for no reason

[@ExtremeMan10]

Hellion and Grave Robber skils arent S tier, this tier list is either rigged or Shuffle is imposter.

[@seantaylor8114]

Yawp not being S is a crime.

[@konieczny417]

Hound's rush in C, shuffle what have you done..

[@RanVor]

There is no universe in which Hound's Rush is worse than Thrown Dagger. There just isn't.

[@user-gs6uo7mp8d]

Also how is pistol shot one tier below Thrown Dagger

[@Silverhand404]

@@user-gs6uo7mp8dI am guessing they are also assessing opportunity cost. GR has that and lunge, HM has all the best moves. Some of the better ranks: Riposte, point-blank shot, tracking shot.,

[@user-gs6uo7mp8d]

@@Silverhand404 idk you mostly only run one melee move and grapeshot is for some wanky rangebuild. Most of the time you will have pistol shot to reach the backline without duelist. Its a good move and one you will most probably use the turn right after duelist.

[@arkirron7172]

@@user-gs6uo7mp8dfor sure for its high crit decent accuracy, versatility and range, as well as highwayman’s high base damage, it’s at least b tier

[@CatVisionTM]

protect DD1 content at all costs

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

Honest outside of the outrageous state on houndmaster's mark, I genuinely don't get the hate for the guy because while relatively strong, he by no means this monster that breaks the game He's just this interesting character that has a shit tone synergy and ways to play him Like idk if it's just me but I often find his damage numbers mid but his utility great

[@lavendeer6290]

Nah, he's the most solid in the game

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

@@lavendeer6290 eh he's solid but he's not as over powered as highway man (outside of his mark He has amazing row damage diversity, being able to hit any row with 2 moves, yet that's balanced by his middling damage and below avarage accuracy His doge is great for doge taking yet it's balanced by it only really lasting one turn unlike man at arm's where he can guard someone then actually do something next turn with the guard still being on Etc etc, I just find him extremely dynamic and really well balanced with multiple ways to play him

[@SynthLove]

Excited to go to war over leper rankings in the next video 😂

[@reubenthawmte8504]

We all will

[@alexhu2384]

I’m probably the only person bad enough to run Finale this way, but I always enjoyed Finale turn 1 into Ballad spam until stress heal stall. I always found it helped me push tempo with my support class while still supporting every turn other than the first.

[@filoche4853]

"Wicked hack is average" , "I run this on every Hellion", proceeds to put it in bottom of C tier. WTF?!

[@Partor6]

seems like average is below average in this game lol. But in all seriousness, I don't ever play wicked hack, since Hellion has perfect reach without it, with the only exception being when she gets shuffled behind rank 1 where she can only reach rank 2 and 3, but I usually don't mind bleeding those ranks either. Wicked hack just always feels meh to put in for me.

[@pollograssopollo]

This tier list is the clear result of having no criteria on what the tiers mean. The discussion is great, the grades are completely absurd.

[@222Clone]

Ok. Iron Swan B tier is Grave Robber "S Tier" levels of copium lol. The most relevant targets in the game get killed by it, Prophet gets killet by it, Hag also, DD3 is much easier because Iron Sawn exists. Shieldbreaker its the only other hero that can damage nuke rank 4 from rank 1... I love this videos anyway, keepem comin Shuffle.

[@ShuffleFM]

Everyone always says what they disagree with, but never what they agree with 😔

[@ethandurst]

@@ShuffleFMdagger throw somehow being a rank higher than hound’s rush is fucked up

[@nathanaeldiegofariassantos4926]

"You will use only once or twice a battle" thank God, just means the move did its job, S tier, I don't agree with this tier in general, the older one is much better as far as I remember

[@222Clone]

I do agree wih most

[@armedweiss5531]

Duelist's Advance is absolutely one of the most busted skills in the game, and more than deserves that S tier. It effectively gives Highwayman as many turns as the number of enemies that attack him while the riposte is up. More attack opportunities equals more crit opportunities equals more stress heals.

[@artificialaceattorney6822]

It was a lifesaver for me in the first Darkest Dungeon quest, particularly against Priests and the Shuffling Horror.

[@arkirron7172]

And the fact that eliminating the opponent with the riposte cancels the on hit effects such as bleed, blight, debuffs, moves, stuns and stress (unless the stress is caused by enemy crit) makes it even more useful for mitigating damage and stress. Plus the fact that you’re just getting so much free damage, more opportunities to crit thereby giving increased stress healing as well, and wrecking opponents with it so fast if they’re targeting highwayman, and as they say being proactive and mitigating and dealing damage is better than healing it. So a high crit, riposte highwayman provides so much damage mitigation and morale boosting for your party, all the while obliterating the enemy ranks simultaneously. A few good ripostes can easily turn the tide of a fight.

[@VisionSpire505]

The Hamlet as background music for these videos are sorely missing.

[@ShuffleFM]

I thought it would get stale on a 2 hour loop :

[@RanVor]

@@ShuffleFM Alternate it with other tracks?

[@SovietSnake89]

Another video that will live rent-free in countless DD player's minds.

[@schellybelly2546]

1:27:30 okay so, I actually have heard this sound. Only one time tho, and that was during a game of Circus. It was my Shieldbreaker, with 75 dodge. She completely avoided it! :O And I remember this because, I also got an achievement that match. Which was MVP. I had Impale on, and did 1v4, and somehow brought it back and won that match!

[@yaboi3710]

Putting finale in B was a crime

[@williamli8708]

Iron Swan great for bosses

[@themelancholia]

Highly effective against Prophet

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

People complaining that Hounds Rush is lower than Thrown Dagger, but isn't it less accurate, on a slower hero who has a few better buttons to press? GR has Lunge and Shadow Fade, that's about it; HM has Cry Havoc, Lick Wounds, Guard, Prot down, STUN, or a cleave that cleans up enemies whilst getting other enemies into kill thresholds (you're always like 1-2 points too low in Bloodmoon)

[@ShuffleFM]

Finally, some sense lol

[@scarletsletter4466]

Ok but then you’re ranking skills in a different way. Is this tier list meant to rank skills only for each champ, or rank all the champs’ skills against each other? Because if it’s the latter, it doesn’t matter if Hound has “better buttons.” And if you’d usually find a Hound more useful than a GR, then Hound should be on your roster (a no-brainer IMO) & it’s misleading to be ranking GR’s skills above Hounds. If we’ve played a lot of hours we understand this, but it makes this tier list less useful for new players

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

@@scarletsletter4466 this is a disingenuous argument; most of my point stems from the fact that HM would rather be doing literally anything else with his own kit, meaning I'm not comparing him to anyone else when I say Hounds Rush is dog shit. You'd rather be stunning, guarding, stress healing, healing, or cleaving the entire enemy team to reach kill thresholds, or using the most busted mark in the game, than a shit accuracy move that doesn't kill unless you buff HM a shit ton in ways he doesn't need or want. I compare GR and HM for a moment because others have already done so, complaining about the placement of the moves in the list in relation to each other; since others have brought it up, I merely point out that yes, Thrown Dagger is just better than Hounds Rush in general. That discussion still doesn't negate my earlier points of Hounds Rush being ass cheeks in the HM own kit.

[@lukeyilonen]

Spartan likes his Duelist advance. It goes to S, end of the conversation.

[@memoryofsalem4474]

1:14:57 battle ballad

[@Partor6]

if grapeshot ended up in C, pistol shot definitely doesn't belong in C. Even compared to sniper shot, there s no way there s 2 tiers between pistol shot and sniper shot

[@bluecoil8356]

What about the Ancestor's scroll synergy for 'Lick wounds'?

[@notmbr]

Not worth it imo, rly tried making it work even w/ Cry spam when I had all my good healers on the bench (made a self-sustain team).

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

I'll like the video just to hear you and spard dunk on Commander's Order next

[@jshwanTTV]

Hellion turn 1 Iron swan over BO because backline enemies usually are a higher priority than frontline enemies I used to prefer wicked slice over open vein until Thick mentioned the ACC bonus OV has over WS. Now Im an OV enjoyer Grapeshot blast is unusable tier for me unless Im fighting the pounder, so D at best for me. ACC is too trash Jester: solo/dirk/finale -> profit Spartan is unapologetically a cleave enjoyer, some of his rankings had me going HUH as a single target enjoyer

[@Intelligenkeit]

i thought this guy plays only Darkest dungeon 2, is there so much content that after all that gameplay he still plays it?

[@mysteriousdonkey4624]

guard dog is the top 1 skill for players with strong game knowledge. if you know you know

[@ShuffleFM]

Yeah totally obscure knowledge: dodge is a good defensive stat 😱

[@orccleaver1999]

I will complain for more content my appetite is insatiable

[@scarletsletter4466]

😂 This isn’t an objective tier list. You’ve ranked the skills based on what you enjoy after playing for thousands of hours, rather than what’s most useful to most DD1 players most of the time. Hound is your least fave champ in the game. You love GR but dislike Crusader’s basic abilities. You think Antiquarian’s dodge buff & accuracy loss powder are great. But most players most of the time would be better off just getting rid of a front line enemy with Crusader’s basic damage rather than spending a turn on a dodge buff or flash powder. The problem with this sort of tier list is that if you want to be objective & truly rank the skills against each other, you’ve gotta take the usefulness of the champs into account. In reality, esp at harder difficulties, some champs are much better & more versatile than others. For example, I rarely keep aboms, Musks, SBs, Lepers, (or Anti once I’ve reached veteran), etc in my roster. Most players will do the best to have simple teams of A [Ruins/ Cove] & B [Warrens/ Weald]: Crusader/ Hellion, BH/ Highway, Vestal, & PD/ Hound.

[@ShuffleFM]

All tier lists are subjective, that's why they differ for each person :P

[@eren__morwen5947]

Im gonna say it DD1 is a far superior game than DD2 even with all of its faults

[@ShuffleFM]

Been reading it in my comments for almost 3 years, not the first time I seen it lol

[@moldycarrot9267]

Hey Shuffie!

[@ShuffleFM]

Hi :)

[@nazmmetin1862]

🎉

[@port8637]

Ay

[@hyperionsidartha5891]

POG!

[@friendlyolbum]

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[@mysteriousdonkey4624]

finale S, never comes off the bar, hits any rank, can't miss, fixes positioning. madman/spit pig dead round one, ghoul/skiver dead round two. most enemies you'll be stalling on have no moves to target jester in rank 4

[@AMaleDaG]

You run Dirk, Finale, Ballad, Tune?