Undaunted 2200 - Our new favourite?

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[@Nayr090]

The fact that he struggled so hard between recommending and not recommending speaks volumes on the bar they set for the SUSD Recommends badge. Good video!

[@plektosgaming]

I appreciate this. I mean, you have money - and there are a LOT of games to buy, plus some juggernauts like War of the Ring (if just looking at 2 player games) in the corner. Older games like Kemet/Cyclades if you want to just bash armies at each other for JUST a little more money. The bar has to be set high.

[@glaxnor7]

Matt had 20-20-20 vision when reading the box in the open scene... :D

[@jeremytitus9519]

Had his third eye open for maximum perspicacity

[@БулатМиннуллин-р8щ]

That jellyfish joke though!

[@IoFoxdale]

We're but two iterations away from Undaunted reverse engineering the ASL half map tiles as a middle ground between fiddly individual tiles and boards that only work for one scenario.

[@faiir]

What's age-sex-locaction has to do with it?

[@meathir4921]

​@@faiir ASL stands for Advanced Squad Leader.

[@webaker]

He had me at "it reminds me of The Expanse"

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

I'd watch to the end.

[@Betito1171]

@@HeroOfTheWebhe had me at sci fi

[@broganirwin864]

I've only played the original Undaunted a few times because I loathe setting it up - the map tiles, the player decks, organizing the control and fog of war tokens. This looked to me like an immediate improvement because of the map boards - one fewer thing to set up! But sounds like it's still a pain.

[@MrRjak21]

Well, now this will be out of stock everywhere by the end of the day and I have already blown my budget for the month. Oh well, I guess I'll buy it sometime next year whenever it gets reprinted

[@stevenmill9887]

Have to congratulate you on your camera work and editing. It’s really impressive and so well done to go unnoticed

[@deohere7647]

This looks like it would be a blast as a digital boardgame with tool tips and pop ups rather than a physical game.

[@funkyskunkvids]

Or a hybrid?

[@fakename368]

Tabletop simulator mod is gonna be lit.

[@Killayeti67]

This review made me call my local game store and ask if they had it yet. Thank you SU&SD!

[@videk_online]

The cross-referencing session before starting a scenario is probably the main reason my old copy of north Africa doesn't hit the table as much. I'm happy someone pointed it out - the narrative around undaunted is usually very positive (and rightfully so), but setup is a major pain.

[@jokerES2]

Welcome back to the land of reviewing, Matt. I'm sure this is reference pear approved.

[@diegomountin585]

The d10 joke got a good laugh out of me, hahaha!

[@JeffGoris]

Ditto

[@robertthurman9866]

Thanks, you addressed several aspects of the game other reviewers passed over. Rather than a gateway game this is more like Stalingrad, great but not if you are just starting..

[@HumbleMinted]

he sounds just like Quinn this is crazy

[@bartomiejbuller1228]

That's what I was meaning to say 🎉 I wasn't looking at the screen and got soooo confused 😂

[@MrJackBroady]

This feels like a return to classic susd. More please

[@HedleyPhillips]

100%

[@markcalhoun8219]

Stalingrad was the pinnacle of Undaunted for me... I'll wait for the expansion which will almost certainly happen and see what it fixes.

[@HedleyPhillips]

I haven't played Stalingrad yet despite it sitting on my shelf for months. I love Undaunted. I'm a WWII nut and it's right up my street. Just need to get Normandy and then North Africa played first then can open that big box of delights.

[@Alexcmlindquist]

3:21 "Maybe both sides are bad" 😂

[@SteveReasonable]

Robbie MacNiven, eh? He did some Warhammer novels I quite enjoyed, and has also written some Descent (the board game) novels that I still need to check out.

[@luiscarloscampos7687]

Never played Undaunted due to the theme not really catching my interest, but recently got this one. Love the 4 player mode as well, feel like it will make it easier to hit the table at my local boardgame meetup

[@joemacleod-iredale2888]

Feels like they could have used Jaws of the Lion style spiral bound map books

[@JeffGoris]

"Okay, we've been tasked with quelling the miners rebelling on one of the most rugged environments we've seen. We should send in the glass mechs and lots of troops to babysit them." Matt made the mechs seem quite vulnerable which makes no sense to me.

[@jonashuber4785]

Nice, now you can play the (space) Pinkerton Agency instead of the bloody NZS. That is much better! Good on them.

[@six12]

The comment section tells how much hype this channel creates just by making a video on it. Watch to the end

[@eveningchaos1]

Wouldn't the trade unionists be more akin to the Soviets, not the Nazis?

[@reallyidrathernot.134]

people need to pay me to write their manuals. idk how to hook that up

[@FlawlesSanshiro]

looks absolutely amazing though

[@EricMeyerweb]

Betteridge’s Law of Headlines strikes again. Ah well.

[@DicingWithDeath]

Can’t wait to get this to the table. Awesome commentary on the game.

[@WilliamOfUrnge]

Matt, fantastic review!! So well thought out and scripted. Ultimately you made me not want to buy it, but to definitely want to play if, but maybe not buy it...? But definitely play it! Lol

[@blazepond5518]

damn, i was really hoping for this one to be a non-historical war themed undaunted system, i was really hyped for it

[@jonathoncampbell6813]

As always, a fascinating and insightful look at this. This would have absolutely been an impulse buy for me, what with the Undaunted system, the sci fi theme, and anti-capitalist leanings, but it's good to see a complex look at a game that is so fantastic, while also being hard to parse and, in some ways, a little frustrating. You're awesome! Can't wait for the next one!

[@josephmeszaros8725]

What about City of Remnants!!! I got it based on your review and I really like it. Honestly it has a similar feel.

[@ZD10house]

My pre-order is arriving tomorrow and my hype is through the roof.

[@ImRightYoureWrong452]

Can't wait to try this one

[@elqord.1118]

Looks good but when will I ever feel like putting this on the table? I will stick to lighter two player fare. I really need a 45 version of this from setup to fin

[@mr.wassell7885]

Rock Raiders color scheme is a great choice for a Sci-fi game

[@melipon3]

❤ Great review, thanks Matt! Look forward to giving this a try if someone else has a copy, already got North Africa, Normandy and Reinforcements to finish off.

[@charlez2729]

My copy came in yesterda, my biggest concern was the 4 boards

[@barm9919]

I mean, it costs $85 USD, so I think even if it was pretty much the same as Normandy or North Africa, just with a Sci-Fi paint, it would make a pretty bad first entry into the series, considering both of those are only $48 USD (buying straight from Osprey on their website). I think Normandy is the best entry into the series, since it’s at a larger scale than North Africa and is just infantry, no vehicles to learn as well. I think the vehicle system in North Africa is a little complex for people new to the series.

[@jamesnicholson4890]

Awesome video Matt. Loved it

[@mattrenyard]

Yeah Matt is back! :)

[@jasoncross4165]

Spot on review. Completely verbalises my love/ frustration with this version of a great game/ series.

[@bradleyjones1515]

Bit disappointing that a sci-fi undaunted has some missteps but I was very nervous clicking on this video that I would be compelled to buy yet another undaunted game. So slightly relieved then too i suppose

[@carpemkarzi]

Thanks Matt. My son and I played Undaunted Stalingrad…..and…..we found the campaign to be extremely bland. The missions were mostly great (though. We hit two where a couple lucky dice rolls ended the mission in minutes) but the rewards were never really impactful and losing really didn’t matter as you sti get the new cards. We love the OG Undaunted and were thinking of 2200 but given the size of those boards and the setup …..wee may pass

[@aaronstark5060]

3:13 The miners were being shafted… if that pun was intentional it was brilliant.

[@Jaybirderino]

Entertaining veview as always.

[@Betito1171]

I hope for mecha undaunted some day

[@jeremygovier6403]

Amos is indeed the best big boy

[@JonTripp115]

Too late, I already ordered it. Hopefully it's at least 10% less frustrating than you imply.

[@SoloBattles]

I won't buy this game. Excellent review matt. Ordinarily, for the same reasons as you, I would absolutely love this game but, and it's a very big but, extra fiddley absolutely ruins it for me. As an older gamer, the eye strain becomes a game killer. This review has saced me $$$! P.S. I still really really want to like it!

[@NewtonLynn]

1927 Leuschke Mall

[@JaredBurdick]

Matt is that guy

[@Isaiah_Stuart]

Why didn't you cover Battle of Britain? Great video as always!

[@MurrayOfCanada]

I'm very curious for their opinion on battle of Britain

[@golgarisoul]

Love all the mess this episode

[@-Markus-]

I always hoped for a more interesting story to Amos character. He was always the dull cliche toughguy but I always believed there was something interesting that would be revealed as the show went on, but it wasnt :/ Im about to start the books and hope for more in there.

[@jordancarl1340]

Huh? His character arc is all about coming to terms with his philosophy and above all learning to make his own choices. He's the tough guy yes but he subverts the tough guy trope in a lot of ways. He is that guy. Hope you get more from the book.

[@pakkazull8370]

Amos is basically a sociopath who recognises that he has no capacity for empathy, so he latches onto people who he thinks will make moral decisions. I think he's a lot more interesting than "cliché tough guy". He's essentially an incomplete person, and he knows it.

[@Amadeus_A]

17:53 "I don't want to do this" Tom Vasel from The Dice Tower: "I'll do it!"

[@vervth]

Upset that the solo mode wasn't covered at all, the fact that there's a whole book for it got me excited. I'll have to look it up on BGG

[@UofTguy]

I can appreciate your disappointment, coming from the more streamlined undaunted games. Myself, I watched a lot of the original games, but the theme put me off from buying it. With 2200 Callisto being my first foray into Undaunted, I can tell you that I dont share your disappointment in the setup or confusion with the rules/UI. Compared to most strategy games, I have found this one to be pretty straightforward. That said, I do wish they had done away with all the boards and gone with tiles, both to reduce the weight of the game and its price. After two solo plays, Im loving the game so far, and cant wait to try 2p and 4p variants.

[@SpeedyNic]

Great review and quite funny, reminded me a bit more of the old styles of SUSD. I personally disagree with a couple of points made though. Setup is really quick for me, maybe 5 minutes? (although I do agree the insert could have been a touch better). I also think the difficulty in finding cards was a tad overexaggerated, perhaps the old undaunted's cards were visually slightly easier (can't say since I've never played them) but the font is chunky and easy to read, so can't say I've experienced that problem. Also the comment on how the foundation is perhaps unstable, that's very much from the point of view of a previous undaunted player. Interference is just as recognisable a term as fog of war (perhaps even more so for new players not as accustomed to war games). Found it very funny that in a video on a war game there was less political/social commentary than have been in the last few SUSD videos, hope we get videos like this more often in the future.

[@kyledewaal3426]

Great review because it explained why it's not for me. Sounds like the perfect game for someone else, just not this guy.

[@Ern.308]

I really dont see the fiddly element! I find it far less fiddly than the original game. 🤷

[@samarchism]

🏴🚩

[@plektosgaming]

What this game really needs is a companion app. Then you would just need to deal with the tokens and the map. This is EXACTLY the problem Mansions of Madness had originally. One person had to be the GM and it was known as one of the best and yet longest and most grindy games of all time due to the immense amount of work placed on the GM and the payers. Epically so. Then.. Replace the GM with an app... Quick setup, easy to play, and scenarios aside - lol - a vastly better game.

[@silverknight66]

When the guy who gushed over Gloomhaven on multiple videos says he hates setting this game up....

[@andyn2854]

I think set up time to depth or reward for that setup is important. I imagine he has it in his head that for this type of game the setup must be smooth.

[@funkyskunkvids]

Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh... Yes. YES. This is better. *Much* better. You know what I mean. Just shut up & sit down.

[@CopperLontra]

Using B roll from Normandy? Come on

[@shutupandsitdown]

You mean the section where we give a quick overview of Normandy? 😂

[@johndavidharding]

@@shutupandsitdown HOW DARE YOU 🤣

[@MaxMustermann.98]

Second!!

[@MrIrrationalSmith]

Sci-fi workers' strike? Cowabunga!