Sibling Rivalry S2 EP13: The one about education

[@MayckonWillian]

I love how everytime they discuss, they are both right, with valid points, but can't find a middle ground.

[@clairemariefergley]

Mayckon Willian exactly! They’re just competitive and want to be right and want to win 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tube-yo9tj]

Mayckon Willian the whole theater v. theater education discussion was like girl why are you debating this bob literally went to school for this lol

[@iHatebreed]

Let’s be real, most of the time only bob has valid points 😂😂

[@callmehwinter8454]

Mugiwara legit monet is me and bob is my brother even if I know deep down he’s right I will go to the bitter end with my invalid point

[@polyexpressions]

They can’t find a middle ground for filth 🤣🤣🤣

[@ida5067]

"what does one do with a bacheor's degree besides drag" lmfao

[@csegobia75]

Ida H. 😂😂

[@paperremix]

I see no lie

[@johnwilson4677]

Work as a nurse.

[@talkindurinthemovie]

Me af

[@andreveronez7848]

Hahahaha

[@dimantecastle9816]

Sibling rivalry, the one where “you let me finish” 😂😂😂

[@Gir1023]

Where's the lie tho???

[@kingjohnathn]

But beyonce had the best video of the year

[@TheChan0299]

Y’all don’t understand how excited this upload made me.😂

[@shawnchavez1209]

Chandler Ross same girl! I live for Sibling Rivalry! 🥰😍😍😍🥰✨✨✨💎🤩💖

[@joshuarodriguez1262]

same this is my favorite podcast

[@StoleMyEdgePodcast]

girl i'm kiki'ing already and it aint even start

[@FilmMonki]

God bless the one place on this earth I can watch two black men dressed as gorgeous women argue about THEATRE EDUCATION! This is the representation America needs in our school systems!

[@Incegnito_27]

Period!!!!!👏👏👏👏🙌🙌

[@yun-pg8cr]

Lydia Williams you have it right here.

[@stevieCMA]

2 minutes in and already the first argument. LOVE IT

[@tanner4985]

Stephen pina we are so blessed and well fed on this good Tuesday

[@moneymaker3208]

lmfao not even 2 mins in

[@polyexpressions]

🤣🤣🤣

[@trish9576]

They will literally argue for 10 minutes with both of them thinking the argument is about something different 😂 SO SIBLING

[@sethsolis3282]

Damn near lost it at “Jasmine Masters has a masters degree” !!!

[@JavierMendozaAvila]

Seth Solis She does, she is the pioneer of Jush Studies

[@_lizbeths_]

Javier Mendoza anna oop

[@morgan_____4290]

@@JavierMendozaAvila lmao

[@MsKambul53]

You sure about that? Because I heard Jasmine say on a a live cast that she quit highschool early and didn't graduate.

[@goop3263]

Joy FortyTwo it’s a joke-

[@ApolloGreatKnees]

How do these two manage to genuinely have constant arguments about EVERRRRRYYYYYYTHING and still keep us entertained

[@KillaryKlinton]

Only siblings can do that.

[@Tason123]

A decrescendo is the same as a diminuendo, Monet just hates when Bobs right 😂👏🏼

[@tojema]

In music school they HATE when you use the word "decrescendo" for diminuendo, you're taught that "diminuendo" is more correct... but I agree that they're the same thing

[@cole7726]

lol Monet also tried correcting Bob that Vivacious came in episode 2 in season 6 even though Bob was right and Vivacious was in episode 1.

[@Vanessa-fd3mr]

George Bond she just can’t allow it. So many people can’t handle being around people like Bob who are consistently correct. She gets so worked up.

[@JohanSheridan]

"opera's different you wouldn't understand" honestly she is insufferable sometimes

[@ms.martiegallego8834]

@@Vanessa-fd3mr YES !! I find it annoying. Didactic describes Bob, the drag queen!! Luv Ya !!

[@DiscordBeing]

These are the only two I totally don't mind watching ramble for 45 minutes :).

[@valentinrowzay]

I thought monet’s powder puff was a cookie

[@DoctorJellicle]

I thot so too

[@ajandrewsmusic]

Decrescendo is literally just music getting quiet lol. Monet: it is way to much to get into right now

[@justinklym5603]

I think its more the difference between 'decrescendo' and diminuendo because decrescendo isn't a proper term

[@milosummers5064]

Decrescendo isn’t a thing though, it’s called a diminuendo

[@vany4133]

@@milosummers5064 is it a matter of it not existing in singing? because growing up and playing violin, decrescendo was a term used often to describe playing quieter.

[@renatofabbro5263]

@@milosummers5064 Wrong! Decrescendo is indeed a proper term. One look into books such as the New Harvard Dictionary of Music confirms this.

[@renatofabbro5263]

@@justinklym5603 It is a proper term though and is used all the time by master class clinicians and in all types of musical lectures/presentations. There is no difference between decrescendo and diminuendo.

[@listamato]

Bob got me agreeing with Monet. I'm mad. Lol Point is, I'd rather someone who logged the hours with guidance of a professional than someone who logged it by trial and error. Plus "Ryan" went to school and logged his hours w/a professional. Idc that it's his first day. Age doesn't matter, adequate experience does.

[@Naki04]

Listomaj 🗣You better say that. And low key, I, out of ignorance, assumed that Bob was more educated than Monet.

[@eveannelise560]

I screamed when I got the notification. I’m actually addicted to this podcast 😌✨

[@cereyza]

they have chemistry like no other pair, I swearrrr

[@RichardApperition]

Same, i was so tired of re runs

[@LernardGrigsby]

Logged hours basically translates to muscle memory. And muscle memory can either make you more proficient (because it's engrained) or make you more complacent (because you've been doing it forever). Logged hours can help guarantee someone's ability, but you can log hours in other ways than through a university. Like a resume, references, portfolios, etc.

[@hr8290]

Practice makes permanent, not perfect. Sometimes people are taught something incorrectly, or an instructor doesn't notice a problem and correct it. Then that person goes into the world doing the wrong thing and not trying to learn to get even better.

[@intrepidtomato]

You also want an experienced hairdresser or several to look at and improve your technique througout.

[@sandra-jones]

I know I'm late on this but I have to chime in. This is based on the industry. A hairdresser learn how chemicals react and understands hair and it's growth. A lawyer doesn't need to know things like that a very smart person can learn to be a lawyer. A pilot goes through lots of simulations. Nurses Doctors etc. need school. Carpentry, home decor etc. No need for school. Its all based on yhe industry.

[@michaelwertz1072]

Love the podcast! Long time listener, first time caller. My unsolicited $0.02: an arts education (music, dance, visual arts) is essential to the mental health of any kid. We need trained teachers to teach these kids. There is never shame in teaching.

[@sosexymagazinerobinwatkins8467]

Beautifully Said!

[@ororomuntoe3996]

Not Bob doin Mo'niques crying voice from precious JSJSJSJSJSJSJSJSJ

[@joeyjose727]

XmenTrash Hi Gowon, I just saw Gowon girl

[@bbbotc]

Does anyone spend half the argument agreeing with Bob then flip to Monet then back to Bob, this is literally me every single episode

[@MB-iz7qm]

“Washington Rachel Dolezal State is really something else” Me, living in Washington: “where’s the lie tho”

[@brysan7146]

Madison Leigh LMFAOOOOO

[@sammuelle77]

Been going absolutely through it lately. Seeing that notification come through was a god send. Love you guys

[@glittery_cucumber]

I hope it gets better for you

[@sammuelle77]

@@glittery_cucumber Thank you. Your name made me giggle

[@LonApex]

Abydos_77 not to be thirsty or anything but you CUTE

[@TaniaSubrotoMX]

FauxName he is...

[@CoryJones-yc9ie]

The only reason to study arts at a higher level is to learn from someone considered a master in their field. It's basically just an expensive apprenticeship. BUT, you would not have access to those masters without going to their institution.

[@donnieramos611]

Monet’s onesie looks so soft. I want it

[@walkthroughvinny]

"Jasmine masters doesn't even have an elementary degree" 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@DSa75044]

Here's the thing, with the pilot example. I want someone who has passed standards/practices and also has experience. Look at the situation with Sully his knowledge and experience came together to save lives.

[@kozmikoblivion]

Monet is right. I trained as an Profondo... I’ll tell you... Opera is extremely demanding.

[@kiliaduicaps]

Pardon my ignorant ass, what is a Profondo? Is It the subgenre of a vocal tessitura (Alto, Mezzo, Baritone, ecc.)?

[@wilmafistfit4788]

I’m really watching drag queens argue about pilots and planes wow

[@huseyinusta9330]

it all goes downhill after this. welcome to the club.

[@srslywhy]

When they kept saying “I let you finish let me” is legit an actual argument we’ve all made with our siblings lol

[@SchoolinIife]

Btw the difference between an EP and an LP can be tracks, but generally is based off of play time. So an EP is between 10min and 30min in total play time.

[@cereyza]

Bob usually wins arguments but Bob was so wrong about standards and practices tests part of this. when someone practices something for more hours than someone else, most likely they will be better than someone who did it well at once. she used specific examples but that doesn't stand for the vast majority. brains know something better the most they do it, period. that's science. there are exceptions, but you cannot argue with that. Ryan studied law for 4 years. He passed his test. Liam studied the standards and practices test for a few months and he passed his test. these are absolutely NOT comparable. If neither of them touched law again for the next 3 years, and then they both retook the test again there is a MUCH more likely chance that someone like Ryan would pass it. Bob is siding with the education system which is so wrong lol standardized tests are what's ruining the educational system and everyone who's in it knows that. Precisely because a Liam can be regarded by people as an equal to Ryan is why it's wrong. ingrained EXPERIENCE will always trump scoring better on ONE specific standardized test.

[@lilnastyy1604]

Law is actually public information, so if someone sat at home and learned them word for word and trained their persuasive skills, they could produce the same work as those that went to school i.e beauty gurus are professional and making money, but not all of them went to beauty school. I was even given my GCSE Maths exam 2 years early and got an A grade, so I spent my GCSE years learning Further Maths and Statistics because my school knew 2 more years of education I’d already grasped was a waste of time. Bob isn’t saying 100% of the time but he’s right in saying why should it take countless hours in a classroom, when someone with a natural talent that could produce the same level of education could take the same end of year test and pass, why is that not enough? This spreads across sciences, arts, most courses you’d find really.

[@lilnastyy1604]

Bob also never said you don’t need the experience, he’s just saying you shouldn’t need a degree or school counting your hours to prove you have the same. I think you’re actually fighting the same argument as him.

[@lilnastyy1604]

Law is also ever changing, so a degree from 20 years ago, even with experience could mean nothing with a change of government. In which people just starting to learn would be more equipped with up to date knowledge and less clouded by previous law even with no court experience.

[@kiliaduicaps]

@@lilnastyy1604 You took beauty gurus an example, so let me reply with another example: Lacey goes to make up school for 3 years. They teach her how to work with every skin type, colour, texture, ecc. She gets her degree and stars working. Stacy has natural talent. She gets notice in the beauty industry because of her KZbin following. She also stars working. They both get the offer to do some famous people makeup. Who would you trust? Lacey or Stacey? I'd personally feel a lot more comfortable with Lacey. Dunno about you.

[@lilnastyy1604]

@@kiliaduicaps I also listed others too so you could read those. But to go off of your example, let’s take beauty, which can also be influenced with creativity. Just because someone learns the basics doesn’t mean they have the creativity to pull off more than someone with natural talent, for example lets take DRAG QUEENS.

[@mg-oe3qr]

Barely a minute in and they’re already arguing 😂😂

[@apersoninthecorner]

Did y'all really forget that its not just hours involved here, there are strong reasons why a degree denotes greater knowledge than training oneself to pass a standardised test. Yes, you can of course construct knowledge and talent yourself (especially if the thing in question is less technically complex) but the benefit of going through the education system is that there is an enormous number of external resources (books, classes, assignments, tests, TEACHERS who have a wealth of knowledge far beyond your own also informed by a diverse array of their own teachers). These things are essential to reaching a holistic understanding that one person on their own terms just simply does not have the capacity to create for themselves.

[@cristian24garcia]

Y'all i died when bob did the monique voice from precious 4:00

[@jjgnva]

OK OK Ryan the pilot is not going to be the 1st officer on the plane. He is going to have a senior pilot with him. He will be a 2nd officer or navigator to raise his hours first..So education is relevant based on industry..Doctors------->should absolutely go to school, hair stylists should be able to prove their knowledge on an exam THEN do their hours under a mentor...Plumbers and electricians work that way!!!

[@gavinsipes1198]

Also wtf is bob talking about of course if you have experience doing something you’re more likely to be reliable. Why do you think doctors have 2-3 years of med school and then more than double that in residency years?

[@tomtalker2000]

These two sometimes are unbelievable in their arguments. I see Bob's point of view on things. But Monét's points here especially with flying are SPOT ON. Just because someone passed a test doesn't make them more "EXPERIENCED". I would MUCH rather have someone with 3yrs flying experience over someone who just passed a test a week prior. And i think that goes for just about everything when it comes too an occupation.

[@AutobiographyOfTmira]

When Monet pull out them SILICONES 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Bob... "these warm as hell"😭😭😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂i loveeeee them🙏🏾💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛

[@bryangul0]

May this podcast NEVER end lol. I’m always waiting for the next episode. YAAAAAY

[@trevidavenport573]

3:59 omg Bob nailed Mo'Nique cry scene 💀😂

[@wakka87]

Bob being the mom from precious had me hollering!

[@mikewnuk5855]

Sibling Rivalry S2 EP13: The one about Opera

[@dwight9012]

S/O to Bob for using the quote from Precious! 🤣🤣🤣

[@paigeconnelly4244]

Sibling Rivalry S2 EP 13: The one where Bob attacks Monét for 47 minutes straight

[@kengilua3416]

that monique impression SENT ME!!

[@EeeeVeee231]

Monét X Change is so beautiful. Just in a casual snuggly glam lounge set she’s stunning

[@narutofanguy321]

I think there’s a discussion happening here that’s focusing on talent/natural ability vs. practice to hone a craft, but there’s also a hint of theoretical knowledge that Bob was advocating for. I think if a person has a natural ability and talent for something, then I don’t think they should be held back from being able to do the career but I think there’s something gained from supervised hours to ensure there’s a strong knowledge base. To go with their cosmetology example, you can understand how to cut hair well or color it well, but maybe the person is not able to do this across a wide scale population. Or, maybe they have a strong grasp on how to color hair but maybe lack a strong sense of color theory or how different hair colors can impact skin tone or how it can frame a face. There’s a lot that supervised work hours or intern hours for licensing or certification that is really beneficial and should not be bypassed. You benefit from both, but that practical experience is really helpful.

[@bunni2454]

At my high school if you didnt go to college or went to community college, you were seen as less than and wouldn’t get acknowledged for any of your accomplishments. So I get what Bob is saying. I also get what Monet is saying. You want someone with experience and training. Also I love y’all so much 🥰🥰

[@charlies_rib]

A Bob and Monét festival could take my husband and I’d still give them all my money

[@louisenicole8416]

Charlie’s Rib YOUR USERNAME. I live for it

[@wilmafistfit4788]

I always read these comments in Charlie’s weird accent

[@marzi8456]

Think about how many actors have become great musicians vs how many musicians have become great actors. Music, especially "classical" is about studying a craft that has essentially been well-defined and "perfected" over the years. There are clear, tangible standards and rules on how to sound, play, coordinate, conduct etc (if you play an 'A' instead of a 'B', it's simply wrong...if you're playing 50 cents flatter than you're stand partner, you'll hear it). There are defined scales, chords, and progressions to learn, and right and wrong ways of playing them. Acting is more ambiguous - every person brings something different and there's no "right" or "wrong" way to act...it's more about being convincing, and even that's super debatable.

[@karlGiant]

You guys are a joy to watch! Keep it up!

[@Luke-rm1kw]

They both make good points. Formal education does let employers or others know that you've successfully gone through a training program for whatever you're doing. However, you can be independently taught and have the same or more knowledge and experience than someone with a degree, but it can be much harder or impossible to prove that you possess those skills, knowledge, and experience to an employer without a degree or some other portfolio/test/certification/etc.

[@TheGreenIzzy]

“Monét, I am falling apart” 😂😂 Someone turn on the AC

[@YourHighwayInTheSky]

"People live in the subway" that sent me

[@kaitol1934]

It does look like monet read her name off the paper🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BrettBax]

you know they’re best friends because they’re so argumentative

[@mjwc97]

This has been the most "LET ME FINISH" ass episode in the whole series 💀

[@picvic7]

When bob quoted Monique from precious , I dieeeeddd omg. Unexpected lmao! Love it.

[@fatandfem7781]

WHEN I TELL YOU MY FACE LIT UP WHEN I GOT THE NOTIFICATION💖💖💖

[@listamato]

Harrison Ford probably has the knowledge to pass the Standards and Practices. He ain't flying me anywhere.

[@kcede3597]

LOL!! Exactly!!!

[@lindabuck2777]

🙄😝 Right?

[@JamaulJoseph]

Bob, am siding with Monet with the certification topic. Yes,it is true that someone can take a test and pass, and it also can be said that if a person can past a particular test he or she knows what they are doing. However, it is also important that a person pursuing a particular art form be monitored by an instructor, and log a specific amount of hours under the supervision of an expert in said field. A person can come off the street and take a standardized test and pass, it shows that they know a lot about the topic. On the other hand a person pursuing a degree or certificate could probably pass that same test too --even though they are at the halfway mark in their studies. Logged supervised hours is important, it sets a standard for a particular industry, it minimizes fraud, it limits fuck-ups.

[@lindabuck2777]

Jamaul Joseph 👏👏👏👏

[@Probablylani]

My uncle is someone who just watches KZbin videos to pass whatever he needs to. But does he ACTUALLY understand the depth of what he is “learning” or have a passion for it? Nope. He forgets over time.

[@Orfeus3000]

These two are everything. BOB in that wig and blue dress DRAMA!!!

[@luckstah]

The Monique-Precious reference at 4:00 sent me😭😭😭😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ranincula]

47 minutes oh y’all spoil us 🤩

[@King-eg8qn]

WAIT!? This came out today!?! EXCUSE ME DID I JUST BINGE WATCH EVERY EPISODE RELEASED up to TODAY!? Mmm aweeright

[@King-eg8qn]

This was my Anna Ooop moment

[@hihowareya4004]

“Jasmine masters don’t even have a elementary degree” is crazy lmfaooo that shit tickled me

[@everardolopez9928]

31:50 I do agree with Bob, because for example. When you are suppose to be practicing to drive for those 6 months before you take the driving test and you never practiced not once up until the last day before your exam. And you still passes you have then successfully completed the corse and there are no questions asked the guy or whoever is doing the exam approved of it but you weren’t forced to practice at all those 6 months.

[@janicejanostak2545]

Bob's makeup this episode is GORGEOUS.

[@josephchmiel9539]

Such great chemistry together! I was rolling on the floor laughing the whole time. Love you guys ❤️ truly such talented people

[@1rkhachatryan]

I will never get over 12:27 makes me die laughing everytime 😂😂😂😂!!!!!!!

[@orgyonmyown]

“If you have an Emmy I have a Grammy...“ I‘m so happy I get this stuff 😂💀

[@charless.pereira5133]

Pleaseeeee, do a episode of "Gay Bars"

[@aAryan0309]

This whole episode was just one big ass argument IM LIVING

[@sukekiyo6]

"Miss Sophocles" ?!?!?! btw Monét, leave 'the oop' alone! Filthy read! AH! _le ded_

[@csegobia75]

Found the video!! 😂😂. Monet with her sponge on the table😂😂😂. I love this show❤️

[@thejessesouth]

I looooove watching older episodes I've spent this entire quarantine watching all of them!! you two are so entertaining thanks for creating!!! Love Jesse

[@msxlxsv2472]

Monet definitely read it off that paper!! 😂

[@KXNDIBENDER]

this is one of my favourites by far. love the opening of this conversation because it definitely brings important attentions to the internalized biases many of us have against folks without formal education

[@larrygiles4490]

This one about education is one of my favorites. Keep up the great work, Guys.

[@HunterSabinVEVO]

This episode made me so happy. This is my favorite KZbin series and I’m also going to school for opera performance. Love you guys!!

[@joeytheviolist]

As someone who wants to teach, I have two things I’d like to add. 1. With music, it’s all about names. Who did you learn from, what/whose techniques do they teach, and how long where you under them. It stemmed from the old ideas of when students were sent off to live with their teachers and take lessons from them and idea has still stuck around. It’s the idea of lineage and who did what and changed what to discover the best way to teach. The easiest way to think of it is through the lens of philosophy and rhetoric. In Grecian times, Socrates taught Isocrates and Plato. Plato then taught Aristotle. It’s though this lineage that we see the ideas of Socrates transform and why they’re considered the big three of Ancient Greece. 2. I worked with an elementary teacher who put higher education into broader terms which I think is a great way to look at it. You DO NOT need to go to college for a degree to get a job, you need an education. Education can be found in the forms of a trade/skill/talent or a degree. The teacher would always say, “I went to school for 4 years to get my degree to teach. My plumber has no degree and makes almost if not more than double my income.” This is what we should be teaching students, as long as you get some form of education, you are an educated and intellectual person despite what the field your intellect may lie in. I would never be able to look at a surgeon and call them uneducated because I play music, so why do that to someone who has taken on a trade?

[@marshramellow10]

THE MONIQUE REFERENCE I SCREAMED LMAOOOOO

[@alejandrom0725]

The term “yuck yucks” is something I’ve decided to start using because that’s funny AF. Thanks, Bob!

[@BriarRouge]

Barely two minutes in and they’re already at it! You gals crack me up!

[@gonzalodcs]

This one hits right at home. I’ve been two years after not finishing high school without studying arts and people assume I’m wasting time not learning about art and they throw down my intelligence because I didn’t finish school. BUT they dont know I’ve been playing piano every single day, singing every single day, writing music, getting better at drawing, just because it wasn’t inside an institution it seems to be not serious.

[@yeahsilviayeah]

bob kept talking about how sweat they were but literally their skin & makeup kept lookin soooo good & matte

[@gemap72]

When Bob did that Mo'nique from precious! I lived!🤣😂

[@charlottem.1477]

I literally lol’d at ‘Speaking of Spokane’, Bob.

[@breetheebeautee1478]

Lol Monet I’m from the Bahamas and he didn’t scam all of us 😂😂😂

[@szymborska]

Bob moving those hands like she's Italian hahaha. Baci Bob!

[@mrhighfashion]

This was one of the funniest episodes. Also Bulldogs is still open Thursday - Sunday. $5 to get in, $2 drinks and all the trade you could ever want.

[@TheeBlvkPharaoh]

LaRue Calliet I was just about to say Bulldogs ain’t going no where, it’s an Atlanta gay staple. Monet should definitely go!

[@JamaulJoseph]

Bob take a loss on this one, Monet has a degree in Opera Singing and as a result knows more about the situation.

[@maggiemcfly5267]

Monet is a trained classical singer?! ❤️

[@senpaisally69]

Maggie McFly yeah!!

[@0927kira]

@@maggiemcfly5267 yeah she even taught kids in music

[@Ninja-cn1xl]

This was just what I needed tonight, everything, :)

[@setsunabelaqua]

Watching Bob and Monet argue is my sole reason for living now

[@thelifeyenvision8242]

Idk why I thought that moment when Monet looked down at Bob's stomach & then back to the screen was hilarious. 44:33

[@collinmichaelkahn3918]

Bob's right. I have four arts degrees, double major in English and Film, double minor in CMCL and AADS and I work freelance making less than 30 g's a year. So yeah, shit ain't worth the paper it is printed on!!

[@christinahickman4620]

That sounds like ONE degree with two majors and two minors. Still only one degree.

[@scoobdoo2008]

Y'all cant never agree on anything😂😂 makes the show this is how my sis and I argue

[@sharky9846]

Bob just cracks me up & Monet is that lil' brother you wanna pull pranks.

[@dramatischegestalten]

The hours are there for getting into a routine and more chances to do something wrong under supervision, so you know more and can react better to unknown situations. I think a lot of the "tests" in classic education are too dependent on too many factors (your educator, how good are you at memorising stuff, do you get nervous/anxious at tests), so I think hours/practical work is very important as well to balance the tests (and vice versa). I think it is horrible how much you have to pay for education in the US (and often anywhere else for arts programmes)

[@gonzalodcs]

Not even 10 seconds in and you already fighting for a name, thats why I love both of you 😂♥️

[@wacabell]

It all boils down to Bob having a huge chip on his shoulder for having dropped out of school

[@Probablylani]

For real lol

[@Probablylani]

He only had one more year!