Sig Air VFC M17 PROFORCE GBB In-Depth Review

[@BadaBingPictures]

July 2024 Update: I am back to fix the slide lock issues with this M17. Check it out here.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGG9dZ-dqL6iiLM

[@chamburrito5506]

I wish everyone did reviews like this, this is the best airsoft review I’ve probably ever seen

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate! I can understand why, it’s extremely time consuming. On the other hand it’s super helpful for potential buyers.

[@OllieTalksAirsoft]

Just made my coffee, ready just in time for my lunch break 🥳

[@BadaBingPictures]

Cheers ☕️ Hope you enjoyed the show. Thanks mate

[@OllieTalksAirsoft]

@@BadaBingPictures certainly did buddy, great review!!

[@tannerg4511]

Good stuff. Small note, when mounting an optic to a handgun, It's typically considered a good idea to have blacked out backup sites so that other color does not distract from the dot itself. Great review as always

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks man. Interesting tip, cheers mate.

[@chrisneils2536]

That's a terrible idea. You don't get distracted from the other dots if you train and know what you are looking for.

[@tannerg4511]

@@chrisneils2536 nah you're wrong.

[@wazzdawg]

@@tannerg4511 And your word is final and fact? He's right you know; training removes the need to black out or remove irons.

[@Overtorange]

@@tannerg4511 You definitely want them to be noticeable in case you want to use them at some point lol. Train properly and you wont have that issue.

[@hmmm2668]

The controls of the slide release being far back is something sig has done for a long time on their real steels (and equally long complained about), the awkward position is just amplified by having a manual safety right next to it unfortunately so I don’t think they will change it

[@I_HaVe_Depressio]

tbh, the far back slide release is a good design for me, with my short-ish hands, i can only reach the slide release on sth like a 1911 with my secondary hand (without changing my grip), making reloading on sigs faster and more hassle free (but adding the manual safety does make the space too cramped)

[@phoenixrockey1642]

I like it, I just removed the safety on mine because I didn't like it anyway

[@sleazykilla360]

Just got my M18 and wanted to chime in, first and foremost thank you for all the detail you put into your reviews, specifically in this one when you told us about the round indicator being easily lost, that helped me to not lose mine. as for rmr plates I bought the GK Tactical M17/M18 RMR Mount Base adaptor and I'm pleased to say that I actually did not have the same issue as you with the round indicator causing it to be wobbly, it fits very nice and tightly, I don't know if this is because sig addressed the issue and made tolerances tighter, or if the GK plate is simply better designed but I'd go with the GK version to be safe and not have wobble. it also comes with raised front and rear sights however they are not fibers and the hole for the screw on the front sight didn't line up properly with the hole on the slide but this can be solved with a high strength bonding adhesive such as jb weld.

[@ThePadsta108]

Hey mate, I was thinking about getting the M18 instead of the full-size pistol. With the smaller slide, have you noticed anything like the cold weather problems Bada mentioned, with the gun failing to lock open on empty?

[@tylerblalack6684]

​​@@ThePadsta108anyone reading this in the future, if you want the smaller version, get the xcarry. Fixed issues like steel seer, and better trigger, and tons of sweet aftermarket Love my m17 though

[@tedscott4559]

I have the Pro Force M18 and wow what a great pistol. Works great in the cold months with Co2. Been waiting for a new video thank you and great job as usual.

[@4UADSmartAirsoft]

I love the whole video especially the intro~ I have to be honest that was a hot one!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Hey buddy, Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it 👍

[@pedrotome9119]

There is no question that the reviews of this channel are among the very best we got here!! ❤❤ And thank God they come in a plain full understandable English, without stupid musics and/or other psycadelic noises... (There are also normal people here too!!) ❤

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Cheers! all the best

[@blowbackairsoft6577]

Great video bada, as usual. I've found the C02 a huge step up on recoil, but even on gas its excellent. Please never stop making ASMR for my earholes.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate. Hah, I’ll try to jeep punching them out. 👍

[@doriondouglas6176]

@@BadaBingPictures were you able to test the slide catch on co2?

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@doriondouglas6176 No. I don’t want to buy different mags and co2 capsules. Too much hassle and I don’t want to risk blowing out the nozzle.

[@doriondouglas6176]

@@BadaBingPictures yeah I'm watching a different review and the co2 mag is firing AT 1.9 JULES. I found this gun on a crazy good sale, and even though the slide doesn't always lock on empty I think I'll still get the green gas variant. I'll just have to be mindful of if it's actually shooting haha, but as I said it's on a sale rn for really cheap

[@Steve_281]

I love that you and Tom from @AnvilAirsoftTV take the time (and considerable effort) to actually use a gun before posting your reviews. I sold M17 last year without getting it to a game. Felt it was a quality build, looked great but just didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Tom is a legend! Yep, gotta put them through their paces. I know what you mean. I like Sigs but there are other pistols that catch my attention more.

[@Rdm2k]

I own one for a year now, it performs well, also in 5 degree celcius. Locking back is better by my own m17. Clean it and lube light with silicone is the best way.

[@nextkaretus6518]

Any complain so far? Co2 or gg? Im cosnidering getting one now

[@VapourTrailz]

Mr. Bing, glad to see you back with another great video, such a shame for the m17 as it looks the business with some decent features - think I'll stick to my HK45 as it doesn't miss a beat and still on its original plastic slide too!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Mr Mills, what a delight to see you grace my comments once again. Nothing can touch the TM HK45! It’s a power house.

[@doranwilliams9137]

Well once again you did not dissapoint, what a video, take a bow sir 👏. As an M18 owner in my experiance i am running into the exact same issues as shown in the video, however, i still love it. Solidly built, lovely to handle, looks the part! Great video 👌

[@michaelcorney1042]

Love you reviews bro it's because of your review of the Tokyo mauri USP 9 is very reason why I bought it and the compact u need to get loyalty rewards from these companies bro true Airsoft warrior been wid u last 7 years ...... Glad to see u still making best Airsoft weapon reviews on KZbin

[@BadaBingPictures]

Hi mate, Welcome back! Good to see you in the comments again. Thanks for the support, really appreciate it. Hope you’re enjoying your USP

[@flufy55]

its like 22lr rounds in some handguns i have sometimes the slide is a bit heavy or you can polish the slide ramps by hand where the slide has more of a smooth surface to lock back a bit better.

[@ihawk4244]

I work at an airsoft store and we’ve had to warranty so many of these cause they end up going full auto, lol I be stopped selling them cause of it.

[@wolftheweekendwarrior]

I don't know if you still have this platform, but a softer recoil/hammer spring could solve the cooldown issue. I have them on the way, so might make a video on it when they arrive.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Oddly enough I do still have it. And the WE version. I have the hammer spring already and will try out the winter recoil spring at some point as well.

[@JoshAllingham95]

Im so pleased you’ve done an actual in-depth review of this pistol thank you bada bing

[@BadaBingPictures]

You are very welcome. Thrilled that I could contribute to the community.

[@aaron4820]

FWIW steel P320 X-Five kit is gonna be out soon ;) I have the Pro-Cut stainless slide with the NOVA frame and it's so awesome on co2.

[@1337RecklessX]

Hello, at 13:03 you've shown "STRIKER PING" (PART # 03-23) out from the FCU. I accidentally took off mine and have difficulty in putting it back. Can you make a short video on how to assemble the part back into its FCU housing please? Thanks!

[@raisatwika1232]

hell yeah, been waiting for this one

[@KrayzieBuddha]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna have the same effect with the X Carry. I just bought the X Carry not too long ago.

[@pauls.4860]

Great to see you back Badabing, great review as always! I really appreciate all your work! With that being said ill stick with my trusted work horse, the ASG CZ-P09!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks, Paul. Oh that CZ has certainly carved out a healthy following.

[@teaandmedals7677]

These have such a mixed reception in the community it’s unreal, I run one for my kit but it also happens to run terribly IMO compared to the TM US M9 it replaced for me.

[@JonahCBR]

I've got two CO2 mags and it kicks like a mule for about one mag. Then it fails to cycle. The CO2 valves seems to be the problem. It gets marred by the striker after a few mags and it very hard to depress. It's a damn shame, because the pistol feels great. I switched to green gas and all is well again. I'm really hoping somebody addresses the CO2 mag issue.

[@mnlgrnwd4152]

Limited Spare Parts support: not true, order directly from VFC to get whatever you need. Yes it infact does have problems with Co2. 1.6 to 1.8J means fields don't let you play with it, ontop it will at some point rupture your nozzle.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Depends if they feel like replying to my emails or not. While they’re a good resource, it’s still a resource on the opposite side of the globe to me. A local supply chain would be ideal. As it’s nonexistent, it’s limited. I heard the nozzles tend to pop on co2. That’s too bad, if it were durable for prolonged co2 usage that would be dynamite. That output from the dangerous end is a little spicy!

[@kennyrebel3407]

Once again another lush video badabing 👊

[@mattvecchio1331]

Anyone notice that the barrel tends to jump a bit, taking you off target?

[@mixmixed.comics3002]

I love your honest reviews!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Cheers mate. Glad you enjoy them

[@Zulu191]

My m17 has a terrible slide, I can't even get it to cycle while unloaded. Believe it to be the valve striker reset issue you mention. With a loaded mag I need to force the slide forward to fire again. Any fixes?

[@metaversebioshock2515]

i love mine and the only issue i have with it is trying to find a suppressor that i like that "fits" the gun...

[@blackwingmaster141]

Slide lock issue coud be due to damaged/badly designed piston head. My ASG XP18 had similar issues, and slide wouldn't lock below 15C even with CO2 mags. I replaced stock piston head with poseidon ice breaker, and now it runs really good, even at near-freezing temperatures (obviously, with CO2 😉 )

[@WolfMan-nf4lv]

Good to see ya back man! Also great review! Personally I like the length of the M18, so that’s what I’ll go with rather than the M17. Quite a shame it doesn’t work well in even mild temp, cause I too am exclusively a gas/propane user. It’d be kinda cool to see a comparison between this and the F17, if they have anything in common! Till then, cheers man ☕️

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate. Nice to see you in the comments! I prefer the M18 too. I’m torn as to whether or not to make a comparison. The F17 doesn’t have anything in common with the M17 besides using the same bbs. Although that being said the inner barrels and rubbers should be cross-compatible. It’ll be a tough decision because there are things the WE/AEG does sooo much better than the VFC.

[@WolfMan-nf4lv]

@@BadaBingPictures no problem! Ah, gotcha, I thought that’d be the case, as is often with WE vs VFC. Also yeah, from what I heard the VFC absolutely wins on build quality, but the WE has better cold weather performance on gas.

[@jdliefting8926]

Does anyone know if you can get a softer spring for this replica in the EU?

[@marchantal9]

An excellent and detailed review as always !!! Thank you Bada Bing!!! I was considering getting it but no more…

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks man. You are most welcome. If you live in a hot climate, I don't think it'll be much of a problem. Although if you don't, then you'll be as disappointed as I am here @23:26

[@Boldpilot3]

How does this channel not have a million subs

[@monteque3502]

The best airsoft reviews is here..

[@mankuzos1473]

Fantastic review. Love all the details 🔥

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@StoianStoyanov]

Great review, mate ! Thanks

[@christophlawrence7264]

We’ll done again!!! Best airsoft reviewer out there for sure! No competition, this review blows others out of the water. Just a quick question, what are your thoughts on the ghk glock?

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate, I’m glad you enjoyed it. I do my best. I haven’t tried the GHK Glock. Although I am curious. That being said, I don’t think it’ll touch the performance that my TM G19 has….a steel slide and heavy recoil isn’t too impressive if it’s inefficient. You know?

[@germancatleo8234]

Finding after-market parts for this gun has been hard for me, as I want to deck mine out since I freaking love it. Where would you find the parts for it? anything from barrels, internals, triggers, anything really.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Asia. Hands down the best place to find all these upgrades. Shipping is expensive but most of the time you can find everything you want from one shop. Instead of several. Action Airsoft, WGC etc..

[@seanwhite5001]

What hex key size did you use to remove the front sight???

[@liamb5694]

Does anyone reckon using red gas would improve the slide lockback issue under those slightly colder conditions?

[@justoneromanguy5637]

2 years later did they fix the lock back or the co2 shooting hot??

[@maxsteele20]

I bought a Co2 mag to see how it performs better than the Greengas mag, because the gun does not work well in the UK with greengas/redgas/blackgas. The Co2 has a hell of punch..but when chrono'd it's waaay to hot to play with. 400+fps!! Crikey....

[@BadaBingPictures]

Shoots like it’s charged with nuclear waste, but stings a bit! Then there’s the WE version and that’s more resistant to U.K. weather. But it’s bitter sweet as it has……issues.

[@solo8827]

sir, make a canik tp9 review..

[@mikus1980]

Where you been? Have missed these reviews!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Welcome back mate. Yes, still here. I have several things that I’m in the process of reviewing, these things take time and I’m useless at multitasking.

[@chayze3009]

First of all thanks for the detailed review! I have a thing for realistic looking airsoft replicas like this one. And unlike some other people, I prefer the military versions! But the slide not locking back on an empty mag, makes me think twice about getting the M18 (Why exactly are there no reviews on that model?) No other review I've seen said a word about the slide issue

[@Airsoft_Chay]

I’ve never had the slide issue, the slide locking back is due to the gas efficiency. The M18 should have better gas efficiency though

[@Hadley_O]

hey, newbie here. What is the best way to remove the orange tip?

[@insertname791]

Hey, consider trying the angel custom antifreeze additive, I've heard good things and my results are pretty good

[@MaydaysanAirsoft]

Wow long time no see! The JP CO2 version of this is definitely my favourite to use

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate. I bet on co2 it’s amazing!

[@mrsherman5012]

would the m18 have the same problems when it comes to lock back cuz its had the smaller slide or what do u think?

[@James28R]

on what planet do the slide and lower look the same colour?

[@BadaBingPictures]

They are the same colour. *Edit* aren't they?

[@TheMcMillan716]

@@BadaBingPictures they are 2 worlds apart lmao. Completely different

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@TheMcMillan716 Oh…I did preface that statement by mentioning my colour blindness…so technically….to me I’m not wrong haha.

[@YouTubeCommentator.]

Wuld you have the same slide-locking-problems wit the CO2 version?

[@benreeves3224]

Great video!!! What red dot plate are you using? Can't find one that will except the Trijicon RMR. I prefer to delete the rear sight too.

[@Lessonswithsenseimatt]

Now that’s a Review 🎥

[@BadaBingPictures]

thanks! Glad it’s helped.

[@solo8827]

is there a compensator for this?

[@icecoldkilla2504]

Excellent review, hence why it takes some time, but really the best reviews as always, even if i had to go through like 10 ads ahah. Keep up the good work

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate! Certainly takes a while to build an impression. Writing, filming, editing, re-shooting, rewriting, re-editing. It’s enough to make my eyes bleed , hah. Sorry about the ads mate. If it makes you feel any better all those pennies really do help fund new toys and equipment for future content. Speaking of which, I have some awful awful gameplay of BF3 that I was thinking of uploading. 😂

[@icecoldkilla2504]

@@BadaBingPictures yeah that’s why i don’t use any adblocker, if it can help you to make some dough off youtube, which is quite difficult, then it’s great ! I wanna see that gameplay ahah, i hope an MP5K is involved !

[@BadaBingPictures]

They have the MP5K on there?? To be honest I’m terrible at the game for PC. When it first came out on the 360, I was better. Still fun though.

[@icecoldkilla2504]

@@BadaBingPictures yeah i think it was from a DLC. It’s the same for me ahah, i was way more efficient on PS3, i suck at pc

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@icecoldkilla2504 I know what you mean. You start thinking that maybe my PC isn’t up to spec, maybe my mouse isn’t quite good enough, maybe my internet connection is too slow etc… but the realisation that maybe I’m just shit! That’s the more likely scenario for me at least.

[@thisisbadstuff]

I suspect that the poor cycling in the cold is probably due to a stronger recoil spring being used than typical because this gun seems to be made with CO2 also in mind. If I get one I might try to fit a weaker spring in it and see what happens

[@BadaBingPictures]

Perhaps. Even in mild weather it’s underwhelming. Other similar GBBP’s perform better. Even the WE/AEG M17 runs rings around it when using the same gas (propane).

[@thisisbadstuff]

@@BadaBingPictures Got this just last week. Racking the slide on this thing I feel that it takes quite a bit more strength to overcome the hammer, not to mention the heavier trigger than average, so I tried swapping out the hammer spring for an AMG "winter use" one and it's a massive improvement. Trigger is much lighter, much smoother cycling, and full mag dumps + lock back without any problems with cold mag.

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@thisisbadstuff well that’s a good idea. I still have this M17, so I might give it a go. Any light striking issues with regular propane on a hot summers day?? Thanks for the feedback.

[@thisisbadstuff]

@BadaBingPictures Warmed mine up pretty good just to test. Still cycles no problem.

[@xenoniuss5791]

​@@thisisbadstuff After I suppose a few months, having used it a bit. How is it faring with the weaker recoil spring? I'm considering the P320 M18 to go with my "All SiG" MPX load-out and was wondering how it does? Buying another spring isn't really an issue, given it's not even a tenner compared the price of the rest of the replica :P

[@Th3Shrike]

Wonder what's better, this or vfc hk45t

[@shovelchop81bikeralex52]

30 degrees Celsius?! We're in the UK, when will a gas mag ever reach that temperature over here?!

[@BadaBingPictures]

It did once, haha! When those moments are few and far between I have to grab the camera quickly and record. Same thing when I get a dusting of snow.

[@EBB47]

have you had any issues with the red dot mounting?

[@BadaBingPictures]

From general finding a plate and mounting, no. The loose side to side play from that mounting plate, yes. As I say in the video, the loaded chamber indicator is what the plate indexes on and doesn’t keep it straight as it has loose tolerances.

[@CMBelite-FR]

Nice review. Do you remember the gas PSI you used that day ?

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks. I don’t know mate. I was using Propane.

[@mreallucky2235]

Just picked an m18 up and it is definately a great feeling pistol, however very strange with the slide lock, somtimes it will lock back 10 out of 10 shots on a half empty mag rapid fire, however somtimes on a full charge under the same temps i cant even get it to lock to the rear with slow firing. Very strange haha but none the less im picking up an m17 as well haha

[@MrJOECOLE88]

Seen 4 of these in person break from using co2! Litrally one magazine :( (Nozzle splits)

[@BadaBingPictures]

Major bummer! You’d think they’d see to it that the internals can hold up to that kind of punishment before they send it out.

[@dreadfrost]

was really looking forward to the m18, think im just gonna stick to my hi-capa :( that slidelock issue is a deal-breaker for me

[@Songo77483]

Could you thread a suppressor on that barrel?

[@BadaBingPictures]

No. But threaded barrels are available

[@Songo77483]

@@BadaBingPictures thank you so much I love your reviews

[@fabiong7090]

Nice! Would you say the kick is harder in SIG than a VFC Glock?

[@A55A553N]

Love it phenomenal review, actually the reason I’m going to buy one now. But dawg, the upper and lower are 2 different browns

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate. Are you sure? They look exactly the same.

[@SemperReloading]

It’s really disappointing. The steel hammer on my M17 even cracked the blowback unit in half before I have a chance to mount an optics on it.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Have you had any experience with the Pro Arms lightweight BBU?

[@SemperReloading]

@@BadaBingPictures nah, I sold my M17 before that bbu went on the market

[@sylithics]

That’s why I love plastic slides.. don’t see the point in using a metal one especially in the uk. Awesome vid as usual 🍻👌

[@BadaBingPictures]

Plastic slides are simply superior. It’s official! Cheers buddy

[@sogerc1]

Well you know, they don't look as good, and half of airsoft is the fashion show. I have a TM FNX-45 in tan, that's even worse than the black USP9. But only up close.

[@mastakilla9783]

Hi Mate, which Gbb/Co2 Pistol is the most realistic you think? Im also looking for a high quality beretta 92/ m9 but i dont know which to get... I realy line the looks of the marui m92f chrome but unfortunatemy its plastic. dobt know if there is a steel kit available

[@BadaBingPictures]

Not sure as there are so many GBBP’s. Inokatsu made a 1911 a long time ago which was all steel, and by all accounts a stunning replica. But like all steel GBBP’s, they don’t tend to be the best performers. The TM M92F might be plastic but I bet you it would piss all over any other metal GBBP, at any time of the year. Using the same gas. Sure there are metal kits available, although you’d have to fire up your Google-fu skills.

[@mastakilla9783]

@@BadaBingPictures thanks man you should try the RWA Nighthawk Custom made from Steel

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@mastakilla9783 Honestly I don’t like 1911 type handguns. They belong in a museum, hahah.

[@mastakilla9783]

@@BadaBingPictures haha then go for GHK GLOCK 17

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@mastakilla9783 Hmmm…I think my money would be better spent on something more practical than a GHK. Like hookers and blow.

[@brunoteixeira2177]

Hi badabing! Nice review, as always. I would like to see One off the vfcs Glock g17 gen5, Im my opinion os One off the best Glocks on the Marquet!

[@BadaBingPictures]

Hi! Thank you very much. I have no plans to review the VFC Glocks. I’m satisfied with my Marui G19, it’s a little monster!

[@brunoteixeira2177]

@@BadaBingPictures well its a pitty! And on near future there is a review of the ghk g5? I was furious about that thing...the problema that breaks under heavy gás. By the way, on tour opinion tm mws vs BCM mcmr what is the one to go?

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@brunoteixeira2177 I owned a GHK G5 in the past and it was great fun. Sadly I didn’t get a chance to review it. I have to be careful what I review as I have a limited budget, so I’d rather concentrate on things I haven’t had in the past. I hear the VFC BCM is a great rifle. I guess it depends if you care more about realism for your GBBR’s. If you do then the BCM GBBR will be more valuable to you than the Marui.

[@brunoteixeira2177]

@@BadaBingPictures off corse! Well my indecision with the mws cqb or the BCM mcmr... Is the Marui prone to broke the recoil spring and other parts, and i whanted a réplica that os sturdy and resistant...i already think on the ghk but its to expencive!

[@michaelcorney1042]

Badabing where is that score of music from used in this review it's excellent I'm sure I have heard it before please put me out of my misery ...... HIT

[@BadaBingPictures]

Hypnotic Patriotic Album by James Dooley. It’s all in the description bro 😉

[@michaelcorney1042]

You da man 🙂 thanks bud got new phone so setting up KZbin Twitter ect ... Glad to be back and look forward to more amazing reviews from yourself Badabing top man

[@SteveSupreme]

As a comparison, what gun(s) from your experience have better cold weather performance with green gas? We have the same issues with cold in Canada, so I was considering this pistol with CO2, but I thought you may have additional insight.

[@BadaBingPictures]

Easily my TM G19, it runs well in cold weather. Or better yet my TM HK45 has a slightly better resistance and on propane it can fire off an entire magazine to achieve slide lock.

[@billbolor9142]

The CO2 magazines have a tendency to lock up in the release valve, so make sure to lubricate it well

[@ETNTO]

Another great video! Would love to know which site that was you played at, looking for a change of scenery 😁

[@BadaBingPictures]

Thanks mate. That was Bristol Airsoft, an old Magistrates Courthouse. It’s no longer in operation, sadly.

[@ETNTO]

@@BadaBingPictures well that's a shame :( seems to be happening more and more. I haven't played indoor since the Mall in Reading which has also gone. Zmart is just down the road, maybe I'll venture there at some point!

[@avoidvoltz2893]

does dry firing damage the gun?

[@avoidvoltz2893]

i have co2

[@stephenadkins6425]

Slightly late to this party but it's great none the less. Nice review of the pistol and I'm still not the owner of one.

[@Failsauce86]

If you put in a crazy jet barrel and a maple leaf HopUp, you’ll dominate.

[@georgros4199]

I like your presentation. Thanks for this content. Hello from Russia!

[@BadaBingPictures]

привет мой русский друг I am glad you enjoyed my video.

[@harryhealy611]

slava ukraine

[@Terminatorbart]

Good review!

[@Airsoft_Chay]

Gas efficiency is a problem for this pistol sadly but I guess it helps living in a state thats always on fire..

[@sogerc1]

You mean like Ukraine? Sorry, bad joke.

[@Airsoft_Chay]

@@sogerc1 lol, im in California

[@Dizzyfatpigeon]

Yep... Roll on the TM P320

[@BadaBingPictures]

That will definitely be a great pistol!

[@Dizzyfatpigeon]

@@BadaBingPictures took me 4 years into Airsofting to learn my lesson to just buy TM and stay with TM it's not even dogmatism, all these manafacturers have unrestricted access to materials and manafacturing, yet can't ever match let alone exceed some of the performance those guns put out In TM we trust.

[@idkwhatnametouse4510]

The garand thumb of airsoft

[@sogerc1]

Damn it, I hate when GBBs don't lock back! So I still think I made the right choice with the TM FNX-45 instead of this one. Although I've got to say a plastic fantastic with a tan slide is not the best looking replica, at least up close. Many thanks for my next BadaBing fix. This half hour went by fast.

[@BadaBingPictures]

It’s utterly disappointing when the slide doesn’t lock. I might as well remove the slide catch all together if it’s not going to work. Save on the weight, haha.

[@sogerc1]

@@BadaBingPictures Maybe you could also short stroke it? I'm constantly thinking about short stroking my KWA USP, that also doesn't want to lock back, almost as bad as this replica. But I love how a pistol looks locked back, that's what's stopping me. Instead I only use it during the warmest of the summer.

[@TheEpicDartfish]

@@BadaBingPictures It should lock back without issue, that's weird why it's not workng.

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@TheEpicDartfish it should, but it doesn’t. After a few shots, the slide notch hovers over the catch but it never travels beyond it in order for it to connect. It’s like the system exhausts itself very quickly.

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@sogerc1 I only just saw this response. I thought about short stroking the slide lock too. Filming the M17 in slow motion, the catch would require a quarter>half its width filed off so it could stand a better chance. Although during that testing the slide notch would barely reach even halfway over that catch beyond 20 shots in a row. And this was with the AMG winter hammer spring. It’ll be even worse stock.

[@sislajpaveslaj7597]

Do you recommened 0.20g bbs or 0.25 bbs for this gun?

[@BadaBingPictures]

I would choose heavier ammo if I’m honest. The lightest I’d go is 0.28g. I don’t recommend 0.20g bbs. Not for the playing field anyway. Too lightweight.

[@sislajpaveslaj7597]

@@BadaBingPictures Thanks on the answer, i wanna buy the same gun, green gas edition. And i have a problem trying to find what bbs weight and what producer, elite force, bls.. i really dont know which one is best.

[@BadaBingPictures]

I hear good things about BLS bbs, although I’ve never used them. I generally stick with Geoff’s Precision Bio bbs, so I don’t bother testing out different brands. I used to buy Madbull bbs but they’ve gone out of business, and before that I used Excel and Guarder bbs.

[@sislajpaveslaj7597]

@@BadaBingPictures Thanks about answer bro, i have to buy bls bbs near me, so im gonna go with them

[@yackson4804]

Maybe don’t use green gas mine locks back at 10 Celsius with Co2

[@BadaBingPictures]

It really has no excuse. It should be able to operate with the most popular airsoft gas. It shouldn’t need co2 to get it to complete the most basic function in mild weather.

[@steffer4288]

yo what bodycam do you use?! good ass video man

[@BadaBingPictures]

For the first person shots I am using the MOHOC Elite Ops Camera. Nowhere near the clarity of GoPro’s (or even old gen GoPro’s), low light performance is poor and audio quality is also poor. However it’s simple and easy to use. I’ve hardwired mine to a power bank and it almost looks after itself. Thanks for watching!

[@steffer4288]

@@BadaBingPictures thanks man i like the grain in the low light along with the choppy frame rate makes it looks cool

[@BadaBingPictures]

@@steffer4288 Well that’s alright then. It’s quite pricy and could benefit from some refinements, but apart from that it’s a well thought-out design and user friendly. I’ve used it more for Skiing. Freezing temperatures and it’s never failed. (Probably thanks to its external power supply)

[@hanhsiaowu1639]

Great vid！！！

[@brorjordas1979]

Thanks forbthe awesome, extensive review! I've been wanting a co2 M17 airsoft pistol ever since I got the 4.5 mm pellet airgun version. But the comments of broken parts in the co2 version kinda has kept me away from it all this time. I'm mostly a co2 replica airgunner myself - bit I do sometimes buy airsoft pistols alwo of my favorite pistol models - and as a big Sig fan, I'd love one of these airsoft M17s - but with co2, as I do stock plenty of co2 anyhow, but not gas.

[@BadaBingPictures]

That’s the problem. I heard those stories of blown out nozzles when used with co2. It’s not worth the headaches if it’s considered a consumable part. Nice replica though. You’re very welcome. Glad you liked the video.

[@sleazykilla360]

so much talk about co2. let me tell you guys simply what I tell everyone else that wants to use co2 in their gbb guns. If you dont live in the cold, theres zero point to co2. co2 operates at about 800 psi, these guns are meant to be used with green gas, which operates at about 200 ish psi and even at that lower psi its considered "a high output gas". so you tell me, do you think, with the added 600 psi that the internals will survive? answer is no, it will destroy your gun, every time. it's not a question of if it will, but how long before it does. but hey, it's your money, if you feel like a tiny bit of harder kick is worth a broken gun, then go for it! maybe some people have hundreds of dollars to replace their broken gun. I'm actually in a FB group for gas gun users and all the people that use co2 are the same people posting about how they had this issue with their gun, or that issue with their gun, or this broken part, or that part that doesn't work anymore, and then they seriously sit there and wonder why.....smdh.

[@teaandmedals7677]

Also it’s really disappointing that SIG would make the civilian P320/M17 instead of the military spec M17, the notable difference being the controls should be PVD tan not black. So from a collector/display point of view it’s not up to the mark.

[@BadaBingPictures]

I know what you mean. I was a little let down by this fact. Sadly the tan controls are available separately, when they should have come installed on the pistol.

[@teaandmedals7677]

@@BadaBingPictures at this point I am considering getting them Cerakoted but from what I’ve heard/seen some parts on the pistol can’t actually be taken off (eg the black screw on the back) TM were talking about a P320 so perhaps they will release a working pistol and the aftermarket community will make M17 bits !

[@themaniac5864]

Nice vídeo. Thank you ps: I just watched 10min, 8 ads in i quited

[@BadaBingPictures]

Understandable, I get it. Sorry for the ads. Although all the pennies I do get from advertising does end up funding cool items and equipment for future videos. While on some videos it does work out to be merely loose change, it definitely helps.

[@themaniac5864]

@@BadaBingPictures daaaam. Sorry didnt knew all that. Next time i Will let it keep going and just ignore it if. Keep it up

[@BadaBingPictures]

No worries mate. Thanks, will do. 👍

[@tututurry]

Mine shoots full auto no matter what😢

[@swcblad]

air pistol shoting at 50 m? why?

[@BadaBingPictures]

Why not?

[@rileystein4900]

Umarex/ Vfc G17 Gen5 is a much better choice for the same price.

[@solo8827]

badaboom

[@bvekcr]

The hammer spring and recoil spring is too strong for this pistol, this made really bad performace in cold weather . You may try the AMG kit to solve the slidelock problem: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6XVqoaGar17obc

[@BadaBingPictures]

I might look into that, thank you.

[@BadaBingPictures]

I received the winter hammer spring today and it’s showed a marked improvement. Thank you!

[@aqua04031227]

Cool :)

[@BadaBingPictures]

こんにちは、友よ ;)

[@turijdragonfly]

Bellissima a 50 mt assurdo