Sig Mk25 P226 - Close Range Practical Accuracy

[@9HoleReviews]

Guys, while it's true that the G19 is favored by many SOCOM troops, the Mk25 is still in service (the military doesn't just dump things off on a whim). Our point is that Sig's marketing team seems to remind us whenever they bring up the Mk25. Anyways, it's Josh's tendency to shoot the Gucci'est of Gucci pistols, so I am doing my best to find some other specimens to add to our testing. A crime locker Hi Point is one firearm that I am trying to find for Josh to test. -Henry

[@kristjonpedersen9342]

Please make sure it's money print or blood stained from the crime locker for authenticity.

[@matthewpham9525]

Shoot it sideways and call it a Glock 40 for the most authenticity.

[@kristjonpedersen9342]

Ok to summarize we need a glawk fawty aka "problem solva" with blood stains or money print from an evidence locker, a 1995 Honda Civic and the problem solva needs to be held gangster style/sideways. That sounds good to everyone?

[@bauerjack2152]

The Glock 19 is called MK27 and is actually a gen 4 M.O.S. version with a threaded barrel (look it up at nsn now: 1005-01-658-1930). They would probably pair the MK27 with the Trijicon RMR type 2 adjustable LED 3.25 moa (recently released as the HRS Version). Probably also good as a concealed weapon, which can be fitted with a suppressor, if needed. I think it would be cool if you guys would make a video like this with the MK27 as well.

[@K-bob_45]

Bauer Jack crazy they don’t sell suppressor ready models

[@lisar3006]

Our PD went to the Sig P-220 when we replaces our S&W model 19's in 1986 and they are still using the Sig P-220 today it is a great hand gun.

[@hasakeyyyy8796]

Pls do the hi-point but on the service rifle test

[@scottgti20t]

Be sure to mount a 24 power optic so u can do the 1000 yard shots. I really wanna see the long range accuracy of the hi point.

[@New2Kendo]

The cameraman is correct st thr same time SEALS were having slides crack on Beretta M9's they also had P226's frames crack. It was due to the ammunition (Winchester I believe) provided what was basically proof test loads, that in conjunction with the high round counts already on both guns caused the failures. Beretta took in the slides, tested them and it was not their fault. Unfortunatley by this time their reputation had been tarnished, so they sued the military and won a defamation of charater suit. The military made the change to the M9 on the hammer pin so that it was keyed into the slide, that way if there was another failure the back of the slide didnt injure the soldier. This was all done at the militarys expense because the problem wasnt the fault of the Beretta M9. Both the M9 amd the P226 are my 2 favorite handguns, I do shoot the Beretta slightly better, but the difference is maybe 1/8th of am inch. I have tried polymer handguns, I just dont care for them, and I always come back to the M9 and P226.

[@josholdham1033]

Love 229s and 226s

[@9HoleReviews]

Extremely iconic firearms for sure.

[@Jakeau24blue]

Picking up my Sig MK25 Monday! People who like Sigs like Sigs, and people who like Glocks like Glocks. Both great guns. I prefer Sigs and HK’s, DA/SA and a steel vs poly.

[@Maelstrom8]

Truly a classic. I love everything about the pistol, except for the grip size. Despite having large hands it never sat right for me. Switched it out for the E2 grips and now its a willing dance partner. I highly recommend them if you wanna run this beauty more. Good shooting!

[@forrestnelson4429]

His hands aren't used to holding something so large. Go Navy.

[@KILOXSILENCER]

You guys are my current favorite channel, you guys have a great personality and makes watching the videos not just for the weapon but also for the hosts. Cheers guys

[@Nihilum79]

Best reviews on KZbin guys 👍 love your videos

[@ratagris214]

Great shooting and presentation. Always a pleasure to watch your videos and your analysis and explanations.

[@troy9477]

Love Sigs. My 229 logged god knows how many miles with me in a 20 yr career. Stock grips and everything. For awhile i had 2 jobs, so it got shot that much more. Went through 2 sets of night sights. Think i replaced the recoil spring once. It easily has 8-10K rounds through it, or more. It even tolerates crud well. I prmurposely did not clean it after the first day of a multi day training. I was up at 400-500 rounds before it hesitated to go into battery. All i had to do was nudge the slide forward. A quick wipe of the chamber and feed ramp area took care of things until i cleaned it that night. I swore by it, and never had to swear at it. It is in honorable semi retirement now, but i make sure it gets a little exercise at least annually. In 2005 i bought a used 228 to have a backup to fit yhe same holster, in case something broke. It never did. I like the 228 as a training gun when i teach people to shoot.

[@tholmes9341]

Stopped in from C&Rsenal. I like what I see. Subscribed. Keep up what I have seen.

[@9HoleReviews]

Welcome! Happy to have you and thanks for letting us know where you heard about us!

[@GunFunZS]

@@9HoleReviews yo tambien.

[@chickenmon]

I’m not a huge sig fan, but I am a huge fan of this channel! Keep up the great work!!

[@Steelers86860]

Hogue G10 grips and a gray guns PSAIT trigger made all the difference for me.

[@gunnerview6578]

Love the P226 along with the beretta and glock. Good shooting!

[@Bifistik]

Talking about the trials with Beretta, time to bring on the m9a3 or m9 variant....

[@SomeGunNerd]

Do one for the Hi-Point C9. Just for laughs.

[@9HoleReviews]

No universal pistol course test would be complete without one, would it!? ....crapppppppp

[@Lemoncarp]

9-Hole Reviews I heard if you use the tactical one it cuts 10 seconds off your time

[@tengu190]

@@9HoleReviews I bet it will have some decent accuracy thanks to the fixed barrel.

[@SomeGunNerd]

@Shoudday Cha And maybe they did, who knows? It doesn't make it a good gun. That said, I do at least respect them for making something even functional at that price range.

[@Rotn2]

HK mk23?

[@PhialTrout]

It does not get better than the mk23

[@JBMSTRIKER71]

I thought I was thr only guy that brought that up

[@Maelstrom8]

This! Please?!

[@jkellyid]

Great content as always

[@reverendreview1777]

Great review on a great firearm. I love my P226 MK25

[@BK45AUS]

loved my original first pattern west german manufactured 226, very accurate, enough so that i started shooting head box double alpha's only, only problem is it blew up after owning it for about a year, broke the breech block roll pin, fractured the rails off the frame, split the chamber and the breech face fell out through the mag well when i cleared the KB.

[@andrewt7884]

I relate to the ergonomics. I have a 226 MK25 but after fondling a Glock 19 I’m thinking about picking one up. Just feels way better in my hand

[@vvill7109]

there's a lot to he said for the ergonomics and how they relate to the shooter. I shoot a P226 noticeably better than any other handgun other than a 1911. Something about the way it is shaped just agrees with my hands. I have the stock 80s style grips on it but I think I will go for something with more aggressive texturing. The size doesn't bother me but they are a bit too slippery.

[@nindger4270]

Regarding parts breakages in military use, one should keep in mind that NATO specifications for 9x19 are made with SMGs rather than pistols in mind. CIP ("Euro") standards for 9x19 are hotter than SAAMI standards and NATO ammunition is even higher pressure than that, so the military is effectively running all of their pistols with nothing but +P+. And then going through thousands of rounds in training on each one. E. g. the USP was originally designed for .40 S&W, so it's pretty beefy already, but the German army still had slides cracking on their 9x19s before they switched to an updated, reinforced model. Cool video by the way, came over from C&Rsenal and I'm liking what I've seen so far. :-)

[@gabemondry]

Great shooting! Josh is too humble. Was a little disappointed y'all didn't put a suppressor on that threaded barrel. Would've made for a nicer comparison to your M9 video

[@9HoleReviews]

Thanks for the comment, Wayne - we're actually going to run the M9 without a can for the direct comparison for the exact reason you just stated. We want to have all of these service pistols run the same standard in "the same" configuration. We will eventually do suppressed runs with them as well for sure!

[@gabemondry]

@@9HoleReviews lookin forward to it!

[@scottsaylors1996]

226/229s are amazing pistols

[@geraldknapp4958]

Good shooting dude you're doing it the hard way you're a lot younger than me if you take a tool like that rested on a sandbag you shoot I passed a hundred yards with that thing you shoot groundhogs with that thing they're that good you just got to hold it still got to love German engineering

[@bradleytinstruction1350]

I dont like shooting the 226 either, just never been able to make it work for me, but the sig 320 tacops is an accuracy machine! You should try and get ypur hands on one.

[@rawtoon2000]

Now you have to do every version of 226 out there

[@bend2145]

HAVE to.

[@BenBelkin]

For all intents and purposes, it is ok to use the phrase for all effects and purposes ;) Just busting balls, I love your videos, keep up the good work!

[@9HoleReviews]

Lol got me there.

[@Beyond_TheRedLine]

It would be interesting to see you guys do a .300 blk video at the range. Maybe suppressed subs vs suppressed supers.

[@9HoleReviews]

It's coming - we've got a huge list of things we want to run through this close range PA course!

[@Beyond_TheRedLine]

@@9HoleReviews Consider the bell rung! I look forward to watching this channel grow.

[@skjporkchop]

I've always wondered how a mark 23 would perform in this kind of test, I hear they are too big for practical use all the time, but I have never handled one.

[@9HoleReviews]

We've got the FN45 coming down the pipe soon which is in the same ballpark for size - we will do the Mk23 eventually as well.

[@nwcEVO]

It's criminal you haven't done a cz 75 test yet!

[@bend2145]

sooooooooon

[@albertoamoruso7711]

Do 226 vs 92fs

[@commandohuti]

Please do a mk23 if possible. I wonder how that good shooter can connect to the monster...

[@TuckerDale89]

I think a MHS XM17 comparison video would be cool to see

[@rednecksniper4715]

Nice video patiently waiting for the M39

[@9HoleReviews]

I hope Henry doesn't get upset with me for sharing, but we're going to need to take it back out for some additional shooting before we release that vid...we may or may not have hit a target REALLY far away (we didn't see this until reviewing the video footage) and Henry wants to see if he can hit consecutive shots with the iron sights at said target.

[@rednecksniper4715]

9-Hole Reviews lol if you want to get the best performance out of the M39 see if you can find some Lapua D166 projectiles and hand load them the D shank barrels were designed for that projectile and they shoot sub minute groups with the right load

[@michaelhatfield3430]

I like the P226 but mine has smooth wood presentation style grips that make it feel like a brick. Two handed shooting is ok but one handed sucks. I'm looking for some ultra thin G10 grips or something similar. The Beretta M9/92G fits my hand like a glove (I have large hands but not huge). My Sig is in 357SIG and I have a 40S&W barrel. It is reliable and very accurate. If I could find better grips it would be one of my favorites but I still never understood why the Navy SEALs chose it over the many top of the line handguns available to them.

[@tuck234]

I say that was a good run as well, Josh. Interesting gun the Mk. 25. There was a time I wanted it, but my P10C is pretty much my favorite gun so far. I shot VP9s, M&Ps, Glocks, 1911s, even a shitty Jennings Bryco 59 (The other Hi-Point). All meh. CZ P10C, 75B, and SP01 Tactical are my favorites. Unfortunately, I only have one handgun compared to my multiple shoulder-fired firearms. That will be soon rectify in the summer. lol

[@9HoleReviews]

Thanks dude! I'm a big fan of CZs - my production division match gun is a CZ Shadow.

[@tuck234]

@@9HoleReviews Ooo nice! I love the Shadow too!

[@KirShizzle]

Do the M17 if you can!

[@nathanielrasey]

will we be seeing the m9 soon? your pistol standards demo showed you shooting it suppressed. 0:38 0:51

[@9HoleReviews]

Eventually, but we do have quite a few others slated first

[@nmurt99]

I would like to see this course run with a CZ P10C.

[@MURICA69.]

Do the walther ppq

[@vincentchen8213]

0:59 master catch

[@9HoleReviews]

ROFL - this is the BS we learn when we spend so much time practicing for competition...it helps us look cool ;) - Josh

[@SlytigerSurvival]

I’ll be getting a 3rd SIG next. A 229 in the best caliber, the .40

[@nuclearhominoidea]

Please... do a review for MPT-76! I'd like to see your opinion about that gun.

[@stevemc6010]

I think only the Turkish army has that

[@ArtisanTony]

Nice channel, Othais sent us over :)

[@9HoleReviews]

Welcome! Hope you enjoy it!

[@combatantfrost495]

Do one for the M9!

[@cyborg2048]

Josh will have to wear two pairs of gloves to grip it.

[@9HoleReviews]

I like the M9 Grip better than the Sig grips XD - Josh

[@TheTmshuman]

Bought a 226X5 comp in .40 In Commifornia when I was at Pendleton and had them mail the mags to my house in Washington LOL. Anyway I can hit 19" steel silhouettes at 100 yards prone no problem. Off hand not so consistently. Love SIG. Mk 23 is the only pistol I have that's more accurate. Too bad the DLAM costs more than the pistol and Knights Armament suppressor combined, IF you can find one. MGS FTW.

[@rgbgamingfridge]

you're pretty good

[@TheTmshuman]

Allah's Snackbar Not so much. The SIG surprises everyone, and the Mk 23 turns mere mortals into Chow Yun-Fat. Although the Mk 23 is in the dirt at 100.

[@K-bob_45]

Ready for Glock 17, VP9, CZ’s and more

[@9HoleReviews]

They're coming. All of them.

[@nirfz]

Maybe a Steyr M9A1 or A2 or L9A1 or A2?

[@WalterWhite-gw3vm]

Josh what's your take on the CZ handguns like the Shadow, P07, and P10? I own but a P07 and P10c and I just love the way they feel in the hand an shoot.

[@9HoleReviews]

My competition gun for Production Division is a Shadow, so, enjoy them quite a bit! We will have that out on the course eventually.

[@ConradTheLonelyStump]

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to request this, since I only just discovered your channel a few hours ago, but do you think we could expect to see a practical accuracy test for a bare-bones SKS rifle in the near future?

[@9HoleReviews]

We had a Chinese T56 earlier, but it was a very worn from military service and wouldn't hold zero. We are looking for a bone stock SKS.

[@perspicacity89]

My favorite gun in the world.

[@FishFind3000]

Can you do a cz 75? Maybe a sp-01 or compare a regular 75 vs a shadow and see how much better a competition ready pistol is vs a basic.

[@9HoleReviews]

We can!

[@m0314700308891515]

*4.8" at 25yds off a bag* mother of god, is it broken? Was the ammo from Khyber pass?

[@m0314700308891515]

@@9HoleReviews oh wow, you guys are still reading the comments lol. Sure, should I use a P228 for relative consistency to the Mk25? Or is it cool if I use my carry pistol? 10 round group?

[@m0314700308891515]

Hmm, just double checked, looks like you guys were using a 5 round zero group, I'll do both because I love you 😙

[@9HoleReviews]

Andrew H much love! Yeah these are 9. Most of our service pistols have been about that so far. The P7 seemed crazy tight? But the bone stock ones we’ve seen do about that.

[@m0314700308891515]

@@9HoleReviews I'll make an emergency range trip today just for the occasion 👍 5 and 10 round groups at 25m off a bag, then I'll lob some standing at 25 and 50m. The P7 is mechanically incredible, it should be capable of (cherry picked)

[@m0314700308891515]

@@9HoleReviews kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnbXiIRseMhgepY

[@benwilkens9787]

I didn't hear neutralized, did...did you get it?

[@9HoleReviews]

We like to avoid FTN (Failure to Neutralize) Penalties on the close range.

[@FlyWithMe_666]

You sure the Navy (SEALs) are still using the P226? I think they went for the G19 a year or two ago. Anyway, as a P226 owner myself: good shooting!

[@krisrhebergen]

Ronny Gordon I would imagine that the mk25’s are still in the armories and many seals probably still prefer to take the sig but yes the g19 is the new issued service pistol.

[@FlyWithMe_666]

krisrhebergen Agree. Chris Kyle wrote in his sniper book that the SEALs were one of the few units that can choose their sidearm as per own preference. So while the G19s are now purchased, what they actually carry is a different question (HiPoints in urban camo I assume).

[@rgbgamingfridge]

is the p226 more accurate than the p210?

[@krisrhebergen]

Allah's Snackbar the p210 is basically a target pistol and known for top notch accuracy. While still very accurate, the 226 is still a service pistol above all and accuracy is just a bonus of being well engineered.The p210 has the greater potential for accuracy.

[@rgbgamingfridge]

@@krisrhebergen the p226 isnt its successor?

[@Chiefshadow4]

PPQ or P99?

[@alexg36c]

hmmm i wonder how the mk23 and the mk24 would do on the same test XD but tthat might just be me.

[@GulagPower]

HK Mk23 Please!!!!

[@nickhowatson4745]

For all in tents and porpoises

[@nurgozhin]

Btw good run!

[@djwoody1649]

Hiya lads, good video as always. Hate to be a bit of a downer, but I personally find pistols a wee bit boring. I actually enjoyed your break down afterwards more which is a shame as you skipped your way through it. Anyway, keep up the good work. Just a bit of feedback from the cheap seats.

[@9HoleReviews]

We get it, and appreciate the honesty. Not everyone likes the close range stuff and not everyone digs the long range, but we're trying to present a rounded view of firearms from the channel as a whole. Rest assured, we'll be back to the long range next week! And, I can assure you, you didn't miss anything on the debrief other than me stammering my way through a few points very ineloquently - Josh

[@djwoody1649]

@@9HoleReviews Hey don't get me wrong, Josh, I quite liked the SMGs, especially the Sterling and it is good to see you run a course quick and accurately--testament to your skill. Handguns just don't really do it for me is all. Cheers mate!

[@zidan1hao917]

the Chinese P22 (copying P226) was far better in quality than the type92, but users always complain about the fat grip ever the manufacturer came up with a slim modfied one

[@jaychen887]

Please tell me there's a Maxim 9 waiting on a tax stamp.

[@rgbgamingfridge]

where the music go?

[@50StichesSteel]

Cage code on the MK25...Government property?

[@immikeurnot]

No. Sig sells them (and the M11) that way.

[@warriorwolf77]

How about a mark or 2 less?

[@9HoleReviews]

Soon - we are sourcing one to test.

[@warriorwolf77]

That's great to hear, I really love that I see you responding to comments, not sure I've seen you say no to a gun yet.

[@elipergande91]

Please do the Glock 19 and talk ergonomics. Great vid

[@9HoleReviews]

We've got the 17 slated to go first, but have several 19s around that we'll certainly be running! We have a few other pistols we are going to release before the glocks, but they are coming!

[@alanfender123]

Guess the moral of the story is that aluminum isn't as tough as steel.

[@Tearitory]

Glock 17 next! Love your videos

[@9HoleReviews]

We've got one on hand. It'll be a bit before we get it filmed and published, but rest assured, it's coming!

[@universalrandomizer405]

I think the SIG is capable of a higher hit factor. It scored unfairly poor, worse than a Glock. I find it hard to believe Glock is a superior platform

[@Shane-Singleton]

Now do a Star Model BM :)

[@9HoleReviews]

That's certainly not a request we were expecting, haha! If we ever get our hands on one, I'd try and shred with it lol - Josh

[@Shane-Singleton]

@@9HoleReviews I've got one I can loan if you guys are ever up in the Dallas area to pick them up. I think I have some long guns that I could loan too. SVT-40, 1903-A3, And i'm sure a few others i can' tthink of, lol.

[@txdocprich_8404]

Personally I think the 40cal is better, but to each his own. I know we had trouble in Afghanistan putting people down with the 9mm because of their heavy clothing and silk shirts. See a dude get shot twice, get up twice, third round in the t-box put him down. Just sayin’

[@mikeyob4271]

45,10mm no 40 cal FBI says bye,bye.

[@sean7456]

You had trouble in Afghanistan because the US military is not issued hollow points. FMJ 9mm vs drugged up fanatic = no bueno. Just rereading Chris Kyle's autobiography and he mentioned preferring to carry a .45 (either SIG or Springfield 1911), which makes sense if you live in FMJ-stan.

[@mikeyob4271]

@@sean7456 👍10mm fmj-stan ? Dropping them.

[@immikeurnot]

@@sean7456 All handguns are terrible, hollow points or not. The only good point of a pistol is that it's easy to carry.

[@chrislabitad8843]

Pls do m1911

[@9HoleReviews]

very soon - not the bone stock GI model yet, but we've got a popular production grade 1911 we're going to shred with!

[@chrislabitad8843]

@@9HoleReviews thnks

[@nurgozhin]

Guys plz don't split the picture. Hard to watch shooter and observer at the same time.

[@9HoleReviews]

A suggestion for watching these runs on the close range: focus on one screen or the other for the full run, then, re-watch the run with eyes on the other screen, instead of trying to look back and forth. There's immense value in seeing both angles, to see how the gun is reacting and what the shooter is doing...but we agree, trying to keep up with both screens at once can be information overload. We've played with just playing them back to back, but it really disrupts the flow of the video. Appreciate the comment!

[@sean7456]

@@9HoleReviews yep. Watch the run, then tap the left side of the screen 2 or 3 times to watch the other view.

[@9HoleReviews]

One reason why we did split screen presentations is also because we'd like to show the authenticity of these runs. Content creators may be able to cut out fumbles if it were a single camera take, but not so easily with two synchronized cameras. We work in two cameras to show that there are no tricks that we are trying to play on the audience.

[@nurgozhin]

I would suggest you first to show the view shooter and then the view observer. Because right now I doing it by myself :))) anyway guys you doing great content! Waiting some russian sh*t!! :D

[@leperking84]

Great gun...m9 still more accurate tho.

[@9HoleReviews]

That's not really the result that we've seen in our testing, honestly - almost all the service pistols we've tested group about the same in terms of raw accuracy...that said, "accuracy" is not the same as "shootability" (how fast the shooter can be accurate with a gun), and I'd certainly agree that, for me personally, the M9 is a more "shootable" firearm. - Josh

[@DocClark340]

Havent found a Sig I like yet... Its just the ergonomics for me.

[@immikeurnot]

Unfortunately the Mk25 doesn't have the improved short reset trigger kit, it's still got that ridiculously long reset from the bad old days, which isn't very conducive to accuracy at speed.

[@9HoleReviews]

Agree - we shot this one bone stock, which is different for me...I usually like to tinker with my guns to set them up exactly as I like them. - Josh

[@GunFunZS]

@@9HoleReviews As one should. One size does not fit all, and guns are not some mystical secret that normal people can't understand well enough to personalize.

[@hksigman]

immikeurnot , you realize that 99.9% of shooters aren’t skilled enough to shoot fast and shoot riding the reset at the same time right? Even most of the top competitive shooters in the world slap the trigger. Couch Commandos love to sound TactiCool talking about bore axis and short resets. That’s how you can tell the posers from the shooters.

[@jn3750]

M9a3 beats it in my opinion

[@LUR1FAX]

Hehe, STD ammo.

[@fossil7009]

First?

[@9HoleReviews]

winner winner for this week!

[@fossil7009]

@@9HoleReviews thanks dad

[@outlawgt3045]

Sigs are nice but I cant take one over my Glock. If someone gave me a free Sig, I would sell it to buy a Glock 19 and Hi Point Carbine.. Thats just me though... It is a nice pistol. It looks amazing.. Dont want one...

[@9HoleReviews]

You heard it straight from my mouth at the end - I just don't shoot this as well as a number of pistols, Glock included. We're going to get a good old Gen3 17 on here in the next few months...just have a few other videos we're working on first - Josh

[@outlawgt3045]

9-Hole Reviews I have nothing against anyone's preference in handguns.. I just feel like my Gen 4 Glock 23 is perfect for me.. Regardless of anyone else's opinion on it or the .40S&W, I absolutely love my Glock... I love mine so much that I plan on getting another one after I get that new High Point C9 when it comes out.. My Glock is OD Green which I like.. I want the Black or Battlefield Green Glock 23 G4 next...