Sig P229 Legion / P229 Scorpion / M11-A1 Comparison

See a detailed comparison of Sig Sauer's new P229 Legion with the P229 Scorpion and M11-A1. Note that I neglected to mention that the Legion has a solid steel guide rod.
The three pistols shown in the video are:
E29R-9-LEGION
M11-A1
E29R-40-SCPN (I didn't have a 9mm Scorpion available)
See detailed information on Sig's Legion line (including ordering info) on our blog at www.osagecounty...

[@eddieengland9886]

Great comparison which convinced me that the M11A1 is the pistol for me. New subscriber and I look forward to seeing more from you.

[@josephcriddle1991]

I own a 229 legion. I love it

[@bernardflood8289]

I live in Ireland where we have very strict gun CONTROL, I lived in Arizona for several years where I enjoyed a wide choice of guns ranging from flint lock, cap & ball and more modern types. I really enjoyed the video.

[@vixrethman8425]

Got my legion 2 weeks ago and love it. It's now my EDC.

[@M-POLEN]

I'd love to see Sig offer Legion Members a free hand gun tactics class at there Sig academy

[@snailsfrogslegs119]

M11-A1 was and still is the best of these by far. A compact pistol does not need a stupid and ugly rail and hooked guard with bottom surface to abrade your fingers on the bottom. The M11 also has corrosion resistance in internal parts. I did put a standard trigger on the one I had but had left the rest stock because it was so good. As for the "legion" guns, Sig is now sending a much cheaper gun case if you register. I sold that Sig too... only one I regret selling is the M11, when I can afford it again, I'll probably purchase another in the future.

[@nashman50]

Both the 226 and 229 video's were the best I have seen on the internet describing the guns totally. Well done.

[@GB-9666]

I bought a P 226 with the legacy slide and E2 grips from your company recently and I am very pleased by the service I received. The salesman was very friendly and helpful. He was also quite informative about the products on your website. I look forward to making additional purchases from you in the future.

[@leisongivangomo5656]

This is one of the most informative and thoughtful videos I GM have ever seen that compares firearms. I will be back to watch more! For future videos, please also include a shooting segment if possible.

[@SecretSquirrelOffroad]

I've been drooling over an M11, but the Legion has changed my mind

[@aksbe27]

This is by far the best comparison video I have ever seen. Thank you very much for taking time to make this video.

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

The P229 Legion is my favorite! Love this gun!

[@steveeab2364]

Great video! It actually swayed me away from the M11. I'm just not a fan of the dovetails on the others. Back to my original plan of the P229 Combat!

[@edwards52111]

I got a 229 scorpion and love it. Now I Can't wait to get my hands on the 226 leigon!

[@redsky8509]

seem the M11-A1 compact would be a better carry gun. the eternals may hold up in different environments better.

[@chasegibson8174]

The Sig Legion P229 is definitely going on the Christmas list.

[@brianquillen8702]

Just Subscribed to your Chanell, great information about the New Legion Series as well. I have an M11A1 and love it along with a P229R 9mm with the TacPac-L, also have a Beretta M9 but back in 1990 I became a Police Officer and we were issued the Sig P226 and have had a Sig throughout the years and absolutely love them. I had an original Sig P228 in the late 90's but had to sell in 2001 but about a year ago I purchased my M11A1 and the P229 and the M9 and saw your videos tonight about the Legion Series and what all the Legion Series entails for someone purchasing this great new Line and already I'm thinking GREAT another Sig P229 I feel I MUST add to my collection so THANKS guys. LOL Seriously tho the videos were very informative and I like you have many different things ABOUT the Sig Brand as a whole. Keep up the good work and wouldn't mind trying to win a Sig hat sometime if I can as well, I think you can win one anyways I believe right? Well I hope I can, thanks again and look forward to more informative videos.

[@mdc3564]

You guys do a great job presenting. I appreciate it. Thanks!

[@rafi4rnr]

Nice video. Just what I was looking for...a comparison between the different P229's.

[@nitrorichfire5779]

Thank you for explaining the difference between the three guns, have a great week!

[@transambill1]

Didn't see it mentioned or I missed it but the Legion is the only one of the 3 that comes with a solid steel guide rod. The other 2 are hollow.

[@tca9093]

Thanks for the review. Exactly the info I was looking for.

[@TheTacticalDAD]

I own a M11-A1 is an awesome handgun. I thank you for explaining the Legion Benefits, just for that I may buy one. Yes Sig can be expensive but compare with what ???? There are NOT polymer guns, so there is no comparison with Glocks.

[@classifiedsecurtiy]

This will defiantly be my next side arm purchase. I could use that Sig Trucker hat to go with it too! :) Thanks for the awesome review and info! I look forward to the day you have them in stock!

[@jasonhood7671]

I liked the video. I thought it was very informative about the differences among the different versions of the different models. What I really wish is that I had seen a video like this before I bought my first Sig. I just recently bought my first Sig, a P226 Elite SAO. It would have been great to see a video like this before I bought mine. I'll keep your channel in mind for my future needs. Thanks

[@edwardpfister651]

Excellent interview...! Very detailed...

[@ronm7781]

Thanks for the info - I have a Scorpion on hold in 9mm - thinking about changing over to the legion now. Your comments on finish and wear struck home. I LOVE the feel of the Scorpion vs the M11-A1 - ny local shop didn't have a legion in stock. may wait until they get one in

[@Rudyelf1]

People keep mentioning the high price point. Well gents, as the OCG guy mentioned, the features bring it up to a good deal. Allow me to elaborate. I was tempted to get a scorpion and mod the frame, similar to what Sig made to the Legion. The metal work and refinish would have left me without $ for a Bruce Gray trigger job, and some aftermarket sights. As for the "join the cool kids club" marketing/hype, meh. These are tools, not some trendy/"swag" sneakers to impress on the first day of school. OCG, keep that discount going, because MSRP is for suckers. (dibs on the sig trucker hat.)

[@USA2ndAmendment]

I am in love with this legion pistol...thanks for the video!

[@weedeater6946]

Very interested in the Legion P229. Great comparison video.

[@jimchambers7548]

Nice lineup of 229, I have the OG 229 40S&W. Mines almost 30yr old shoots and looks better than most new guns. Sig cost a little more but last a lot longer than most. Great video and info👍👍

[@LSiriko]

Excellent Comparison ....I Have Sig P 229 Legion....I Carried on Duty and Off Duty, Very Effective, and I Love It....(a Retired HPD Office).

[@jimhontz7313]

Great video. After watching the comparison I bought a Legion P229. I a ready have the M11-A1 which I love. Thanks for a job well done. Also subscribed to the channel.

[@colesutra]

I'd put the M11-A1 above the Legion 229 for two simple facts: The phosphate treated components in the M11 improve the wear and tear lifetime, and will keep your handgun more reliable in the long term. And second, the 229 Legion has a single-point adjustable trigger which *is* very good out of the box--you can tune them to be finger-pressure-reset. But you can buy an M11 for $300 cheaper, get a two-point Grayguns adjustable trigger (both pre-travel and over-travel) for around $70, get an E2 one-piece grip that has better hand-fit and grip than the Legion grip plates. You'll still have around $175 leftover, and end up with a better performing handgun.

[@justinespinosa7878]

Thanks for the well thought out review! Very cool!

[@victors6988]

Very thorough review - nicely done...

[@silvio2wheel]

Love your videos, very informative and detailed. I think the Legion Series is awesome!

[@kanaloa38]

I hadn't even heard of the Legion series. I have nearly every standard and elite Sig P 22x series made. I'm missing scorpion models. The Legion looks very well thought out and desirable. The only shortfall to me, is the beaver tails and semi beaver tails are too thick, and don't add much value. They don't allow one to get the web of the hand higher up such as on a good 1911 or CZ75 Custom. That addition to the Legion would have sold many folks on the gun (IMO) and a MUST have for me. But obviously they are still my favorite since I keep selling my other guns to buy Sigs. Fantastic model comparison video...the best I've seen.

[@punhulk]

Information was great; I have wanted a sig tac ops 226 for a while, but I think this legion 229 is a better buy.

[@mikesenior4014]

Nice video! I see a P229 .357 SIG Legion in my future. That is when they are in stock.

[@Sig229DAK]

Got 3 Sigs, am looking forward to trying the Legion.

[@bartman07cole92]

That was a great comparison video, too bad at the end of the video we couldn't go out and do a side by side shooting comparison!!

[@Airplanetyson]

So beautiful

[@DGStill33]

Am leaning so hard towards a P229 Legion! Drooling my be involved but ya' can't prove it! Seriously, the Swag / Lifestyle items are cool and all but it's the pistol that makes me look at the inventory and see what can go and buy the Legion, ya' I'd buy a knife too...

[@18twilliams]

I thought the scorpian was the best 229,I had to get it when it came out. now you come up with the legion! congrates, nice piece! going to have to work some ot!

[@SuperSnallygaster]

Thanks for the great video. I really want the x-ray sights and think I want the gray guns trigger, but I plan to carry this and have no need for the rail. I am also concerned about the crappy Legion PVD finish. Scorpion is out for me due to the full beavertail and overall size (it's actually slightly longer and heavier than my MK25). Decisions, decisions.

[@Hialeah1925]

What did you go with?

[@johnbd05]

Very informative and good format.

[@crysmatt3337]

Thank you for an informative video. I'm a long time Sig owner I've had a chance to shoot all three of these beautiful weapons and a couple of points are worth making that were not discussed here. Grip size and feel are all very different. I prefer the E2 grips that come standard on the 229 Enhanced Elite. They are a thinner profile and have a great tactile feel. The M11 and Scorpion can be swapped out for E2...does anyone know if the Legion can? My opinion of the new XRay-3 sights is they are great but really only brought Sig up to what has been available in the aftermarket for a long long time and in all honesty, I don't think they are as good as some of the site specific manufacturers. Lastly a suggestion for future videos, please use a neutral/white mat on the table when showing the features of a black gun. Thanks again!

[@jimtravis8829]

Is the legion grip bigger than the others?

[@colesutra]

You've probably long since had this question answered, so this is more for comment section browsers: Yes, the E2 one-piece grip will fit on the Legion P229.

[@unclebob4964]

Excellent presentation.

[@TimBucktooy]

Love the Legion series...

[@rdzone1]

Nice review, wondered what the differences were.

[@Dodrums10]

Well done!

[@utubeduracell]

Sweet, thanks for the comparison!

[@Aleks9x19]

I can't wait till get a legion !!!

[@easierb1]

Thanks again for good video comparison!

[@jaboody123]

another awesome review.... great info... you guys rock!!!

[@voltsoftruthBSbuster]

I have the M11-A1 can't justify spending extra $300 for few checkering cuts, its a total gimic as far as I'm concerned. The M11 comes with tritium night sights and SRT trigger. Its the best trigger I've ever shot on any sig. Thats all I need, guess maybe rails would be nice, but then again I haven't attached a single light or lazer to any of my other guns that have rails, so I can do with out them. Thanks for the review

[@aaronneumeyer5572]

Great review. Very well done.

[@fgtypezero0684]

Great vid for me, I'm presently in the market for my second sig. I had narrowed down scorpion elite p229, p225, p229 legion. I didn't think of the m11a1. Also in the running is a sig or colt 1911 and sa range officer compact

[@angelr5955]

i just wish i can get 226 or 229 legion's in California...

[@theconnollys6389]

Legion is awesome

[@Chayonray]

Very informative comparison. I have a 229 Elite in 40/.357 Sig with an SRT trigger. Love this semi-auto. It would be nice for you to compare it to the Scorpion as it is a 40 cal. You could also explain how easy it is to swap from 40 to 357 Sig.

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[@ramoncuret446]

can't wait to buy my sig m11

[@McDade86]

Can’t decide m11a1 or P229 legion. I just want the most reliable for ccw

[@PLP357]

Take the m11 for ccw plus you safe money

[@transambill1]

I own both, the M11 A1's finish is going to hold up longer.

[@jgonzalez1666]

Great video. Very informative

[@evilernie665]

time to start saving my money . just bought 1911 tacops last week

[@johnrey8827]

Great detailed informative video

[@bdm1000]

Good video discussing the differences. I got an Enhanced Elite over the Legion because I hate the "undercut" (aft-cut imho) and I really don't want the challenge coin and all that other garbage (or the inferior finish).

[@bilzill1]

Excellent video - Thank you

[@alfredo0259]

good video brotha, very informative.

[@funkdified1]

Ahhhhh the 229's!! 😍 Now we're talkin. Definitely like the Legion the best here. That FDE is pretty sweet though.

[@harleysrule2176]

One comment about something that I seldom see mentioned; the newer .40 cal p229R has a significantly wider slide than the 9mm.

[@lostpacket]

How about a top down view instead of just a front view? I would love to see a side by side comparison of color as well.

[@playultimate86]

Just a comment about the coatings you mentioned. PVD is a process in which DLC is applied. People seem to get this confused a lot but essentially anything PVD coated is going to have good hardness and hold up well. DLC's have an excellent surface finish and lubricity to them in addition, I'm not certain if everything PVD coated will though. I wouldn't be surprised if some PVD coatings lack those friction reducing properties. It seems the firearms industry doesn't distinguish these differences well, could be marketing or even their engineering not knowing any better.

[@OsageCountyGuns-MO]

+David Swenson David, thanks for the clarification!

[@1uptospeed]

nice demo easy too understand.

[@glockensig]

Geez... I have the PO (plain old) model and it is great!

[@chetmakowski463]

Great job! Thanks!

[@jasonabrunner]

Christmas is coming. Sure would like a p229 legion :)

[@johnrey8827]

Great informative video I just bought the Legion Series 9mm & couldn't be happier! I already own the old Sig Sauer 5.56 ER & the Sig P-5.56 pistol so the Legion is technically my first Sig carry pistol which will relieve my Glock 19. Keep up the good work Sig & eventually I'll have just as many Sigs in my safe as I do Glocks,Berettas,S&W,Springfields,Rugers to name several. I'm now waiting for the .40 & .45 Legions

[@gunslinger4203]

Thanks for the excellent presentation ! I own many sig pistols going back to the 80's when they were made in West Germany. Do you do any presentations on the the new sig suppressors or their new optic line and long gun series ? Thank you for your time.

[@navyman8903]

I've never once heard or seen "Premature slide lock back" with a Sig. Failure to lock back all damn day. But never locking it back. No one on the planet puts upward pressure on the slide release during live fire. It's impossible to do so without actively trying given the location of the lever.

[@OsageCountyGuns-MO]

+DevilDolphin I haven't had it happen to me but recall seeing some topics on SigForum some time ago. I'm pretty confident that the reason for modification to that control was due to the shooter accidentally catching the lever and locking the slide inadvertently (perhaps more often when wearing gloves).

[@navyman8903]

+Osage County Guns Admittedly I'm predominantly an HK guy. But I have owned a MK25 P226 for years and fired about 2500 rounds down range with it, I also carry an actual M11(not the M11-A1 aka P229, but a tried and true 228 M11) on duty. I think the more research you do, youtube videos, and forum posts combined, you'll find it's actually failing to lock back on an empty magazine. I've never seen a forum post on premature lock back or even heard of it until this video to be honest with you.

[@OsageCountyGuns-MO]

+DevilDolphin I have definitely seen the failures to lock back! It is possible I am wrong but I remember a specific instance where a shooter was experiencing the issue. For some reason I feel like it was on a P320 or P250 and not a P226 / P229 that was being discussed on SigForum. It was about a year or so ago. I'll make an inquiry with Sig to verify the justification for the change to the controls.

[@MrMann-gt1eh]

I will verify right now. My P229 .40 failed to lock after last round constantly. Pushed me to sell it.

[@Nick-qj4su]

Just missed the opportunity to get a used P229 Scorpion in .40 for $650 by about 45 minutes at my local store, what a shame.

[@LPSpooks]

+Osage County Guns You guys are the best great customer service I luv it! A few months back I bought a beautiful Sig P320 Compact .40 Cal for my off duty carry from you guys and WOW! Shot a perfect score with the gun...OCG you guys wont ever have to worry about losing a customer by me! I plan on buying my rifle from you guys and this Legion Sig if you sale it LOl!

[@OsageCountyGuns-MO]

+L&P Inc. Thanks for the kind feedback! I'm glad you love the pistol! We're working on Sig to add the Legion to the IOP / APP program! There are a lot of customers asking for it.

[@LPSpooks]

Osage County Guns OH, I'm sure I can't wait to own one in .40 Cal !!! I luv the heavy sturdy feel of it.

[@jimigogls]

Great video thanks

[@E.Chang.]

Love the color tone. Does the undercut on the Legion help with the notorious Sig height-over-bore axis?

[@jaygreene5609]

Great vid 👌

[@shihster88]

solid steel guide rod in the legion! I am not actually sure if it makes a real difference though.

[@Rudyelf1]

+shihster88 Fractions of a gram heavier would help with muzzle rise. LOL. HKs have them. So hurray for over-engineering!

[@nathanraines7622]

It all started for me with my first gun a p938 and won't stop there

[@michaelweston6083]

I've always wanted a 228 and the m11a1 is my shot at that.

[@MadMaxProductions-sx4hu]

I loved this video it was awesome to see the side by side of the black nitron finish up against the finish on the legion series. I am now having to make a tough choice do I want to keep saving for the TRP Operator I have been wanting for a long time or do I want to get this Legion Series p226... Why can't I just have both lol... Also would love it if they came out with a legion series p227 over the p220 due to increased capacity

[@dynabetes]

Nice advertisement for the Legion. Value? The M11-A1 is the best value out of all 3 of those, what are you smoking?

[@djrixxard]

The regular p229s differ in slide thickness and weight (by an ounce or so).. Is this also the case for the Legion series 229s? Or do the 40S&W model and 9mm model share the same slide?

[@OsageCountyGuns-MO]

+Richard Lee I believe they use different slides just like other P229's so I suspect there will be a minor variation in weight.

[@tpanzilius]

Very informative video. Do you know if the sights are going to be available I would love to install the cray sights on my p320 compact and p226 elite stainless

[@skilkrax]

If the P228 is a M11 why did they call the P229 M11-A1

[@charlesdickens8599]

It constantly astounds me that everybody ignores the fact that the slide on the p229 40 cal (newer ones) is 1/10 inch wider and taller than that of the 9mm. That is a big difference; holsters that fit the 9mm P229 and m11-A1 do not fit the 40 cal. ...how many people know that?

[@TheKingGamer24]

I can operate a 229 with E2 grips very easy but with stock it is a reach. Never held one with G-10 grips. It is going to be much larger than the E2 grips with the short reach trigger?

[@jFrosty2842]

I have a M11-A1...I realize the firearm is closer to the P229. I am curious is to why the P228 grips. Oh BTW, great video!

[@Airplanetyson]

Because the original m11-a1’s were p228s, however all p228’s we’re discontinued in 2005. They two are identical the only difference was the p228 was a stamped carbon gun and the P229 is milled (heavier and more durable)

[@randyshaw4142]

Love both guns ita a hard choice

[@jerseyjackrabbit2829]

okay, what is the point of getting the p226 version over the p229, im getting legion either way but just asking how is it better? better distance, low recoil etc? does the exta inch in the barrel make a difference over the compact or concealed carry option.

[@elijahbrooks8589]

My Sig typically fails to lock open because my thumb sits on the slide release.