Can you build a Sig Legion killer? A parts breakdown of my Sig M11A1

I've had people on Instagram and Facebook asking me what I've done to my M11A1. Here's a video of everything I've done to it to get it to be perfect for me. Feel free to send any questions to [e-mail].
Milos from www.armorycraft.com was kind enough to send me a pre-sale trigger to review. Thank you to Milos and Armory Craft for sending me your products to review, without asking for anything in return but my thoughts. (I was not paid for this)
He contacted me with this message for my viewers:
Thank you for posting this video. We at Armory Craft are proud to be the the "First & Original" coming to the market with flat (as well as 'slightly curved') adjustable triggers for SIG P220 226 227 228 229 as well as M11-A1 pistols.
There are now 2 special coupons for $10 OFF for the viewers of this channel:
HAMMER10 to be used for the flat version
HAMMER10C to be used for the 'slightly curved' version.
(Please use all caps when entering the coupon code during checkout)
ECI and master mat is from Ransom International
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Intro: P C III - A Dark Blue Arc (The Heavy Stick Mix Mix)(Creative Commons Instrumental)
End music New Hope - Audiobinger
Final note and thanks: Gun channels on KZbin have been demonetized and have been under extreme scrutiny and unjust bias for being on the right side of the spectrum. After being a fan of many channels for a while now, I've decided to create my own touching on breakdowns I couldn't find, gun parts that aren't mass advertised and thoughts about things I don't believe get enough attention.
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DemolitionRanch
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Forgotten Weapons
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22plinkster
Taofledermaus
MikeTheCop
LunkersTV
I know I forgot some and will add them as I remember them.
This entire video was filmed, edited and posted using my Google Pixel XL.

[@PowerTow3R]

Great video! My EDC is the M11 & was interested in upgrading it so this helped out a lot in my decision making. I did get the Grey Guns trigger before I watched this...I'll give it a try. Again thank you for the review.

[@Pippinm7]

Awesome review! One of the best Sig reviews and upgrade videos on KZbin!

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Pippinm7 Today was a horrible day with Vegas and all, that comment brought a little smile out. Thanks for the support! I promise they will only get better as time goes on.

[@Drew4078]

Love your sites! Great set up and fantastic video my friend!

[@danieljohnson5726]

Good video, simple, no fancy graphic’s or eye candy. I own a SIG P228; I’ll be trying some of these mods on my SIG.

[@S5King7]

I have a Legion P226. Your gun looks cool, and may shoot a little better, but it cost more to make than I bought my Legion for. Sig says you can't build a gun with Legion capability for less and that appears to hold true.

[@NegroRotary]

of course you can build one and save some money

[@doneanddone4952]

I found you though YM. I am learning a lot about what's available for Sigs with this channel.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Joel Lopez I love to see this! Thanks for stopping by. I will try to have as much of everything as I can, but I am a sucker for Sigs big time. If you ever have any questions I might be able to help with, please let me know

[@marksd5650]

Joel Lopez This is a great channel, but also check out Sig Sauer Guy.

[@MegaMastiffman]

Never really liked those x5 till I saw yours really nice man good job great vid too

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Brendan Fazekas Thank you! It's the "middle range" model but not too many are seen. I love that it's not over the top, just a refined 226.

[@mikebyerly2344]

Nice job, great looking guns! I agree on the grip screws.......they look like they are off of a farmhouse screen door!

[@keithkent8126]

Thanks for the reminder on coupon code , they are ordered and on there way . The 229 357 sig barrel is great idea , I’m also considering the 9mm conversion barrel but would have to buy mags , where with 357 sig barrel no need . I actually like the 40 s&w in the 229 and shoot it accurately. The 220 has a new barrel and recoil spring just installed and spring and pin kit . The trigger in 220 is short reach trigger which is great for small hands ( I have medium size hand and it doesn’t work well for me ) . So the new trigger should cure most of my issues. I will polish most or all worn surfaces internally. I will follow up with you when finished . Thanks agin for your response K . FYI we have all rescues in our house 2 huskies and Pom .

[@TheFallingHammer]

I love messages like this! You don't know how much better your gun is going to feel. I have a video on all the stuff I polished to make it super buttery. The strut is the biggest difference. Thanks for saving those pups!! It's almost time for us to get a new one and I can't wait.

[@scottlucas7035]

Not to be a copy cat or nuthin but my M-11 A1 is a dupe of yours now except for sights lol. It’s always been one of my favorite SIG’s though my p220 in 45 is my fav to Choot ! Luv a 45. I REALLY appreciated your trial and error as it relates to finding that “just right “ upgrade. Again thank you for your time. It helped me get my M-11 even better. And most importantly, thank you for the tag at the end to adopt a shelter pet !!! I live in the backwoods of Kentucky on a big farm and have 10 rescues 😂🤣😂living in dog paradise ! there worse than my gun habit !!!

[@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG]

Big fan of Sigs here, so great job with the custom work you did! I’ve never had a flat trigger before, but I’ve heard lots of good things about the Apex triggers. Also it’s nice to see someone else who can appreciate the splendor of the .357 Sig!! I almost bought a Springfield chambered in .357 Sig some years back, but got a Glock 32 instead. I’m trying to save up for a Sig Nightmare Fastback carry that’s (you guessed it) chambered in .357 Sig, but it’s close to $1k so I may just get a .229.......especially after seeing your Part 1 & 2 on your .229! Thanks for the videos : )

[@TheFallingHammer]

Your going to hate me, I ordered and paid for a nightmare carry 2 weeks ago. As soon as I get back to AZ I'm picking it up. We do have very similar tastes! I fell in love with the 1911 and that was the only one in 357sig I could find. And it's a sig so it's a win win.

[@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG]

Ha, not at all......maybe a little envious LOL Just kidding! The first time I saw a review on this thing I was like: “.357 Sig....check, 1911......check! Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a caliber snob by any means, it’s just that I tend to prefer .357 Sig, 10mm, and .44 magnum. Sure, I have handguns in 9mm, .357 magnum, and .45, but everyone has their favorites right?? That’s awesome you’re getting the Nightmare Carry soon, and you’ll be doing a review right? (hint, hint)

[@TheFallingHammer]

Kratos SonOfZeus o definitely. Holster is here and some other goodies are on the way.

[@michaelbattin6717]

great video!

[@howardm5759]

Beginning my tweaking/modification on my entry level X-5 P226 from Germany Mastershop (x5 short). Upgrading the sights (Trijicon) and grips (Piranha G10) - already installed a SRT when i got it years ago

[@vsimmons1900]

Dude, I got my trigger and srt kit on my 229 thanks to your videos. I also got the srt spring tuning kit, but have to idea where to start with that...

[@frankbutta9344]

I have a P226 Legion SAO, and two standard P229’s. With the P229’s, I added the SRT kit, Trijicon HD sights, replaced the decocker with a smaller part, and added Hogue checkered G-10 grips. I replaced the hammer spring with a one step down spring, so they’re all equal to me. I like the fat 229 trigger, and it’s apples and oranges to compare the SAO trigger with the SA/DA, but the SAO is a delight at the range.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Frank Butta truth about the SAO. Sounds like we have the same problem with Sigs. I'd love to try out a legion SAO.

[@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe]

nice build with great parts n sight choice, excellent choice's enjoy ! just bought the same handgun, n plan already on building one kinda like this, I have a legion which is nice, but I believe like you we can design one we love better !

[@williams9859]

Nice guns. I'm not a huge Sig fan but I do like hammer fired guns best. I do like how you put the costs in the video.

[@TheFallingHammer]

William S thank you bud! I was raised with and taught firearm safety with a S&W 629. I just love the hair trigger when the hammer is back and NO safety. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, I truly appreciate it.

[@jeggers7648]

Legions are worth every penny love my p229 legion sao rxp

[@keithkent8126]

Thanks for your response, I will take it out agin and hit agin with the stone and flitz.

[@TheFallingHammer]

The bottom leg that goes in the spring, especially the bottom corners that push into the spring and top divots that the hammer contacts

[@tony1019]

The E2 grips are so mint 🤌🤌

[@lnstall_Wizard]

Good pistol. Thanks.

[@keithkent8126]

Got it all figured out . Back together 3.5 lb single action , 6.0 lb double action ( trigger is great now ) shooting the gun( P220 ) with amazing accuracy . Working on 229 now almost done . I will follow up later thanks K P220 needs sights Dawson ordered. FYI you can build a gun better than legion .

[@raudelcontreras2102]

Great Video Man. Very Informative And I Love the Price Breakdown. In Regards to the Trigger job.?? You used I Ceramic Stone?? Can you Kindly Explain?. I Never Heard of that. As I would to do the Same To My Sig P226.. Please Advise...

[@ChukesOutdoorAdventures]

I knew I should have got an M11!!! Must have punisher grips for my Legion by the way...

[@jeffgenchi5863]

I did recently buy two new p220 legion guns in the 45 and 10mm. I like some of the features the legions have. Mine have the optic cuts with the RMR and Delta point pro. Overall I totally agree about the legion membership because my brother traded for a P226 legion and he cannot buy anything from the legion store. I let him use my account if needed. Lol. Great video. I usually prefer building my preferred guns to get what I want. In this case the legion filled that well.

[@juangalvez8594]

X 5 is the Crown Jewel 💎 Bud ☝🏼

[@TheFallingHammer]

I agree. I really love that one and the trigger is out of this world!

[@chevydrum82]

Im used to shooting both thumbs forward like my glock, and I hit the slide release on my p226...thanks for the advice

[@TheFallingHammer]

Shuma Gorath I've swapped slide locks on every sig I own

[@keithkent8126]

The strut thanks will do . I need to order strut spring not included in parts kit from sig and seer spring. Someone install new sights (HD’s) 220 ( born date 2010 ) but in great shape (frame And slide ) . I traded a Glock 19 gen mos for the 220 smart move I feel . 229 is nib this past summer. Happy New year !

[@keithkent8126]

YouTalk and make sense that’s why I’m a new subscriber. My project guns are P220r in 45 acp and p229r in 40 . Just getting started . Thanks for your great video work . Sigs are great handguns , but as you know they need tweaked lol . And yes you can make them as good or better than the legion series. I was raised by ex military cop and 1911s where his thing , but later in his career Sigs like the P220 ( duty station in Germany) service pistols . I loved my father and all his experience as a shooter got passed on to me . Thanks agin K

[@TheFallingHammer]

I appreciate it! The 220 is on my want list for sure. I highly recommend a 357 sig barrel for the 40!!!

[@keithkent8126]

I will be ordering the slightly curved triggers for both guns , thanks for your reply. Happy New Year K

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@keithkent8126 dont forget the coupons to save some $ when you get around to it, the hammers are amazing as well

[@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe]

@@TheFallingHammer I just bought a m-11 in 9 mm , I have a 229 with a .357 sig barrel so can I now just swap the slide n barrel from the 229 over to the new m-11 and be ready to rock n roll?

[@transambill1]

Not a fan of the slot headed grip screws either but there used in case you have to remove the grips while out in the field. You can back them out with a spent brass, chances are your not going to always have a hex tool out in the field with you. I have several Sig's and love them all but always swap out 4 things on them, grips, grip screws, solid stainless guide rod and they all get the SRT kit installed. My Legion got me used to the short take up so now I install the kit in all my Sig's. About 20 minutes of work that makes a big difference in how the gun performs.

[@TheFallingHammer]

I agree 100% those changes make a world of difference!

[@hammercrg]

It is funny that you have to buy a Legion to be able to buy certain things that are only available to those that buy them...like it's a big secret...lol! That X5 should entitle you to but whatever you want from them, seriously. Ive tried the Armory Craft triggers but I like the GG triggers more. I've got several Sig's, a P227, a P229 Elite, a P220, a P226 Legion that has a great trigger, reset and better night sights than the standard Siglite night sights, better grip due to frame cutout under trigger guard/front strap, I have a MK 25 that I had a Gray Guns straight trigger, SRT kit and competition spring kit installed on that has given it a sweet trigger, about 2-1/2 to 3# pull in SA and 6-1/2 to 7# DA and a great reset, I have a SP2022 in .357sig that has a better stock trigger than P-series Guns....IMO, it only costs half of what the standard P-series Sig costs and I shoot it better than any of them.....go figure. That SP2022 is a totally underrated, overlooked and under appreciated simply gun because it's a polymer hammer fired Sig and not a P-series/Legion series gun. I've never tried an X series but that X5 is a sweet looking Sig and one I would love to have, might have to sell off a couple of the ones I don't ever use and get one. The Legions are nice Guns but they are really just a hyped up version of the standard P-series with a few options that make it better in a few ways, but it really is about marketing to make more $$ on a line that already exists...and yes I can talk shit about them because I do have one. They do have a better frame as far as getting a good high grip due to the cutout on the front strap but that extended beaver tail is unnecessary, the X-Ray sights are better sights....that front sight really pops in the daylight and e serrated rear sight is nice, and the trigger and reset is exceptionally sweet. I also bought an Arex Rex Zero after watching the gauntlet test between it and a Legion and I can say that other than the plastic grips, they are a great gun and accurate as hell right out of the box. The Arex Alpha looks like a great competition gun and will be on my next purchase list and they have a Delta model which is their toss into the striker fired ring. They are a force to be reckoned with....great guns, great quality and craftsmanship. Oh and P.S......Glock sucks!...lol...I agree, they are just an overhyped block of shit, the grip angle sucks, the plastic sights suck and the triggers suck.....so yeah...they suck. I hear the glocktards crying now!

[@TheFallingHammer]

Armory craft is making Rex triggers ;)

[@ITHINKUREALESUK]

I like your set up. I own a m11a1 I’ve just started tweaking to my liking, and a pair of 229 Legions. Love all three and as far as the legion club offerings, it’s just a truck load of shit hats and other brand advertising trinkets. Nothing to feel left out or bitter about.

[@keithkent8126]

Just a follow up to the 220 and 229 project, the trigger upgraded to both pistols , springs and polished internals . Greatest improvement was with 229 great results. But 220 is still gritty in double action trigger pull . Not sure what is causing it , will continue to try different spring weights ( hammer) and sear . All internal contact points stoned and polished ( parts are all coated with black slick material very little wear seen ) I was told about a part called super strut ($65 )eliminates hammer spring bend and safety failures , and supposedly drops trigger weight ,what are your thoughts . K

[@TheFallingHammer]

The sig armor makes the super strut and the strut is what's causing that grittiness. You can polish it out or just grab the super strut

[@mbenjamin292]

I have a Sig legion p220 45 I love it he'll I love all 45s never met one I didn't like.gret video.

[@nobodysreview6137]

P220 is underated. Great balance and a great shooter.

[@maksyathinkdntit4103]

I would get you whatever you wanted from that LEGION store! I purchased mine two days ago, along with the GRAYGUNS flat faced trigger. I own two other SIG's also. Doesn't matter how much you spend on SIG stuff the LEGION is the key to the "special" store, I know, It's nut's! I love that X-SERIES you've got there. Great vid my SIG family friend lol!

[@TheFallingHammer]

+MAKSYATHINK DNTIT Much appreciated! What did you get? I love the finger cutout under the trigger guard the most. I still might break down and get one one day in the 227 flavor. Thanks for watching!

[@maksyathinkdntit4103]

I got the 229 Compact 9mm. Was Thinking about 357 but all of my pistols are 9mm except my wifes WE the PEOPLE 380. Wanted her to get the 9mm but she just wouldn't do it lol.

[@repeter]

Great review. I enjoy my M11A1, but for whatever reason, I still shoot my P228 better. (Probably mental) Might have to get those grips, as I also had a set of the Hogue overgrips, but really don't like those. My crimson trace grips are great, but expensive to be buying for both.Thanks for showing those G10s, as I had not been able to find better photos, and they really helped me pick which set I liked more.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Peter Dittoe this makes my day! I bought both sets blind and was hoping that it would help someone out. I envy your 228, that's towards the top of my want list!

[@repeter]

If you are ever in Indiana, you can shoot mine sometime. I know they are for sale used, and mine was used, but very well maintained. I thought it was a great deal when I bought it a few years back. Although it still has original white sights on it, I would like to change them out one day, but they are so dead on that I really kind of don't want to mess with it. That one is perfect out the box. Granted, best part of the M11A1 is that it can use the original P228 mags and the P229 15 rounders (as well as the P226 mags too), so I really don't have to get any special for it.

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Peter Dittoe same goes with you if you are ever out in AZ or CA. Hopefully I'll have a 228 within the next 12 months

[@mrweeby1961]

Yep, a MK25, 226 Extreme, 220 and 320 but I'm not "Legion" material lol. I get what you're saying. Man I had to come back after you talking about the Glock thing lol. Exactly right. While they are a good reliable tool that's all they are. They are not the be all to end all by a long shot. Having many poly framed guns including a G17 I actually put it in the bottom two overall. I did make it better by building a Poly 80 lol.

[@ray8832]

liking the chain link grip displayed on your x five, thanks for sharing.

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Ray 88 appreciate it! I have the small sig medallions I need to drill the grips and put them on.

[@johnny6148]

just bought a armory craft trigger. thanks.

[@TheFallingHammer]

You will love it! For which pistol?

[@johnny6148]

@@TheFallingHammer both

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@johnny6148 they are awesome. The hammer makes a difference too. Really changes up the gun

[@mmallay]

Thx for the Video! How did you improve your trigger, what areas did you hone?

[@TheFallingHammer]

I have a video on it, check my video column and it will be in there. 👍🏻

[@PrezUSMC]

Recently bought(lol about a year ago) p229 police trade in(357 sig) for a little over $400. And I've got a p226 police trade in(also 357 sig) on the way for under$400. Just found your channel.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Super deals! You can't beat that anywhere. I'm glad you found me I'm a sig nut and am happy to help you out anyway I can.

[@PrezUSMC]

Heck yeah. I do have one question.... the 226 is DAK system. I know you can change it out to DA/SA. Do you have a video of that.... curious, can you change it out to SAO?

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@PrezUSMC I don't have a video of it exactly, but you can buy the DA/SA kit and just follow the video I have of putting the frame together with the new parts. SAO is SAO, no swap for it.

[@PrezUSMC]

@@TheFallingHammer well crap.... DA/SA it is

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@PrezUSMC SAO is epic!

[@rentacop88]

I owe 4 sig, p 232, p226 9mm 40 cal, X5 and still cant get nothing if I dont buy a Legion

[@michaelweston6083]

What did you do for the extractor spring? I have heard nothing but bad things about it failing to extract/eject.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Nothing at all. I've had 4 with the large extractor and never had any issues at all. They are the most reliable semi autos I have. On the older small extractors I'll have one FTE maybe every 2-400 rounds

[@biodigitaljazz5814]

Don't let exclusivity bother you because years ago I bought a P226 single-action only Legion 9 mm and 3 years later the damn range bag and challenge coin has never shown up and I filled it out on the website correctly now I think I'll get an FN 45

[@mattr918]

I don't get why the legion seems to be the highest standard in the p series. They are nice guns for sure but the it's not a giant difference from a standard gun with a grayguns trigger and some good sights.

[@liggerstuxin1]

Cerakote coating?

[@clarkclifford2338]

Dude, you should have bought the legion. I got a free factory tour and access to all the other programs they have.

[@923mercury]

I got stock in the company

[@alexanderfrancis1845]

This guy really needs to buy a legion if he's so butt hurt about it lol

[@chrisgrignon3877]

I have a legion p229 case I will trade for the gray guns trigger I also have a legion 226 40 s&w I would also rather have the X5

[@astrudwick75]

Have you used the gray guns ELS kit before?

[@TheFallingHammer]

Currently have one in the M11 to do a future video on

[@michaelpiliero9755]

I think you are taking it too seriously. I own a P226, P229 and love them. However I also own a Legion P229 & P220. The reason I purchased the 2 Legions were because they are both SAO. That my friend was worth the price tag. And I don’t care about the free bag or stupid coin. Your M11 is 🔥

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

Really nice firearms you have. I wish every firearm was on the same playing but it's not. Cars, trucks etc are no different from firearms. I got the Legion because it had the features that weren't in the regular classic line. Not to fit in the club.

[@pitts3219]

I have 2 German 228’s in 9mm and 1 in 40 all with SRT and wouldn’t trade any one of them for a new Legion

[@nobodysreview6137]

The company Sig Sauer sucks but if you can piece one together just how you like it and get one with a nice fit slide it will be the best gun ever, i love the no safty double to single action and the decocker is all just perfect when shooting.

[@JayCole37]

Wow that X5

[@Angad1826]

👍

[@mattysmall22]

Not to mention you did your own trigger job which would realistically be 2-300 by a reputable (non voiding warranty) like Robert Burke. Legion is a way better pistol, and with a trigger job and a flat trigger (which I prefer) it looks better and will be much better overall, especially in finish/quality.

[@TheFallingHammer]

How is it way better? The finish is known to wear extremely fast, all the internal parts are the same except for the trigger. I don't like the grips on the legion and would swap the sights so it's pretty equal in my book. Minus false notion of it being way better than other sigs and a coin.

[@mattysmall22]

@@TheFallingHammer I'm no "Legion" fan. I like the other areas like the beaver tail and the checkering on the grip and trigger guard. As well as the higher placement for your middle finger under the guard. I also like the milling on the front of the slide. And I love the hogue grips. I paid 900 for my legion in .40. The finish only wears fast if you're using it daily which I'm not.

[@jimmychong7646]

My west german 228 from '89 with a SRT installed shoots far better in virtually every way than the legion 226 I have fired. And I have fired many as just about every gun buddy of mine has one. Add to this the military arms channel torture test which the legion failed spectacularly, and I see no reason to buy it aside from the marketing nonsense which has become sigs primary focus as of around 2010.

[@GrayGhostDog1]

@@jimmychong7646 if I recall, the Legion was not the only Sig that "failed" MAC's gauntlet test... he re-visited the test with a non-Legion gun.

[@jimmychong7646]

@@GrayGhostDog1 He revisited it with a Sig Mk25 which, if I remember correctly, faired far far better than the legion

[@maxfit68906]

Is the Hogue G10 grip thinner than the factory grips?

[@TheFallingHammer]

MaxFit 68 yup. Awesome grips

[@slntscpe]

5:15 I think it's a slide stop lever and the that part might be from a p224.... might be wrong

[@TheFallingHammer]

Just the slide stop is 👍🏻

[@aksbe27]

Did you try E2 grips?

[@TheFallingHammer]

I have I loved the size, grip and look of them. The big downsize is since there are no screws they never feel 100% attached and had a tiny tiny bit of wiggle. It drove me nuts and I got the hogues. I don't think anyone could come up with something much better, the g10 piranhas are epic

[@tacticalbt1023]

Hard to for the money you’ll end up spending more in my opinion! Legion for me and In SAO!!

[@322doug]

Bro screw Sigs marketing crap, thats a great looking pistol. Did you paint it yourself and if so what paint did you use. I have a p220 I bought in 1990. i have bought maybe close to a hundred pistols since,,, but my p220 will always be my favorite. I had the 1911 and beretta cougar in the navy,,, but I always get the best groups with my p220... I love it. Honestly the wife could go before my p220.

[@wooddawg4868]

The sig classic line is the same gun no matter how you slice it. ITS THE SAME GUN. It shoots good, recoils good/soft stock so what ever you add is just an addition but not a game changer.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Game changer no I believe most platforms have pretty much hit a plateau. It's all about refinement and customization now.

[@mbenjamin292]

New sub here your a great guy keep saving animals my friend I am with you bro.

[@PrezUSMC]

hey guys just picked up a used p229 that was a new Jersey state police issue(357 sig). first sig I've ever owned. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they tricked those out, or are they pretty much a standard p229

[@TheFallingHammer]

Kevin Perez not positive but for legal reasons I bet it's 100% stock

[@TheFallingHammer]

You'll love it

[@mikebeach2516]

I would trade my Glock for a sig Legion any day!

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Mike Beach everyone needs a glock and they are great guns, but everyone should have a sig too :)

[@shwagondawheels]

I have a p226 and the club is dumb. Like I'm gonna pay $200 for a streamlight tlr-hl that I can get for $100 just because it has a legion chevon on it. I love the legion for what it is because I don't want to do a thing to it with aftermarket parts which is rare for me. I did knock the slide release out 10 degrees for less painful to the edge of the thumb slide drops along with taking some emory cloth lightly to the tips of the diamonds on the g10 grips for less fabric grabbing when under my shirt but besides that modifying a standard 226 would have cost more without selling the old parts to redeem some of the changes. And yes, I do that all the time with everything I modify.

[@williebulletman5217]

I really love your x5 now I have both sig 220 and a glock 34 I love them both but I completely understand what you’re saying for some reason when people get Glock’s they get wrapped up in that this is the best gun in the world and that’s bull Puckey great video where did you get your trigger from if you don’t mind me asking for that price thank you very much

[@TheFallingHammer]

The trigger on my x5 is unique to the x5s, the trigger on my 229 is armory Craft. I have yet to shoot a 220, I want to badly! Glock's are awesome don't get me wrong, everyone needs one. But a lot of people don't want to spend the money or only feel comfortable taking glock's apart because it's so easy and hard to mess up.

[@robertlittle2429]

There is custom work done on the frame of the Legion that Your's does not have!

[@TheFallingHammer]

You mean the small beavertail and x5 undercut? I picked the m11a1 because it's exactly what "I" wanted.

[@FoulPet]

Ive got 4 of those stupid coins now. I dont feel any more important but I am happier.

[@jimmychong7646]

My west german 228 from '89 with a SRT installed shoots far better in virtually every way than the legion 226 I have fired. And I have fired many as just about every gun buddy of mine has one. Add to this the military arms channel torture test which the legion failed spectacularly, and I see no reason to buy it aside from the marketing nonsense which has become sigs primary focus as of around 2010.

[@TheFallingHammer]

I can't agree more, you hit it on the head!

[@jimmychong7646]

@@TheFallingHammer thanks. The M11-A1 is probably the only US made Sig that I am interested in at this point. The stories of FTE attributed to the long extractor have put me off a bit but I'll probably end up with one anyway. Think I may set it up similar to yours minus the FDE finish as black pistols are more my thing. That trigger really has me curious but I'd need to work up the courage to take a stone to it. Any FTE issues w yours? How's the fit of barrel to slide?

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@jimmychong7646 it's been 100% never had one issue. I have complete confidence in my m11. I've haven't had any FTEs in any long extractor I've ever shot. Had a few hiccups on my short extractor on my 229 SAS, I stripped it cleaned and oiled it and never had them again.

[@Airplanetyson]

Is this your EDC?

[@TheFallingHammer]

It's in the rotation, I carry my 229 SAO and 320 xcompact more

[@settleschris1965]

Is the M11-a1 the same as a p229?

[@TheFallingHammer]

Slimmer slide. It's pretty much a 228

[@blackhorsecavalry]

I'd trade a Legion for an X-Series any day of the week!

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Blackhorse Cavalry they are definitely worth it, I got it as an investment and won't let it go now

[@TheFallingHammer]

+Blackhorse Cavalry it was steep, but definitely worth it

[@rentacop88]

$1700 for a X5 and I cant get a frigging thing from the so call legion club

[@TheFallingHammer]

Yup, it's marketing at its finest. I got one recently just because that's the only way to get a 229 SAO and I'm not impressed with what the offer so far 😑

[@S5King7]

@@TheFallingHammer I was new to guns and bought the Legion mainly due to marketing hype. The items in the club aren't that great. If I could do it over I would have bought a Emperor Scorpion or Navy 226. I don't think there is much of a difference in the triggers.

[@jarredlkling]

@J B Its not more expensive if you start with a $340 dollar police trade-in 229 w/ DAk trigger in .357 sig and convert to DA/SA and 9mm.

[@ImmortalSet]

I'm planning on getting a sig p226 tacops so I can do a real "tactical operation" on it 😂 and have it running like yours

[@TheFallingHammer]

Nice! That's a killer gun, with a little effort it's not hard at all.

[@marknarvaez6040]

u only spoke the truth in my opinion.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Mark Narvaez I'm surprised on the amount of people that agree, I thought I was going to get a lot more negative comments. Thanks for watching and Part II comes out this weekend

[@petermartin7371]

My German frame SIG P229 Two-Tone with GG flat trigger SRT and 6in Bar-$to 357Sig barrel with muzzle brake kills the legion and your x5 M11 bud with the proven and field tested short extractor and No MIM parts 😂js

[@TheFallingHammer]

Peter Martin sounds like my sas now. I'm. With you on the German frames with a barsto the lockup is solid. I've got a stock length barsto barrel, tungsten guide rod, 19pd hammer spring, polish, GG st8 trigger on the 229 sas. It is as tight as my x5. But you can't compare trigger feel. No DA/SA will ever beat a 3 way adjustable SAO at 2pds 3oz.

[@hnhgnjj6078]

What muzzle break do you run?

[@muffemod]

Legion = Marketing Custom = Performance

[@muffemod]

@J B My custom was cheaper and destroys a legion out of the box. No contest really.

[@muffemod]

@J B Truth is not a function of belief ^_~

[@muffemod]

@J B Sure, 1 You can buy hogue grips from the hogue site (without the gawdy legion branding) 2 AC flat face trigger 3 Sig SRT 4 MECGAR magazine with higher capacity at lower price point 5 The beaver tail, PVD finish, undercut, and stippling add little in the way in competitive shooting, and are of dubious value. The money is better spent elsewhere to really make the pistol performance ready. At the end of the day you're still under $400 budget constraint with a better gun.

[@muffemod]

@J B Did you pass high school level math? $100+$160+$40+$27 = $327, well under the $400 mark. Besides when I bought my kit it was with coupon code and black friday so I got it for $229 shipped. The SAO P226 have been out for years before the Legion marketing drop so I'm not really sure what you're talking about SAO being a Legion exclusive. The Legion grips are made by hogue in the same factory so the grips are effectively the same if not better for the hogue because you can choose how aggressive or light you want. PVD is the new kid on the block but I didn't find the nitron finish lacking, or warranting the need for PVD. The undercut on the frame is nice but not as nice as a custom trigger that blows the Legion trigger out of the water. Seeing as the trigger will impact shooting more than a minimal relief cut under the trigger guard, stippling, or beaver tail; I'll gladly pass on the $400 markup and get the custom trigger and extra cash to spend on ammo and range time. Look if you're happy with Legion all the power to you. It's better than the standard models. But comparing a stock factory offering from Sig to a custom modified tricked out Sig is comparing apples to oranges. The Legion is left in the dust.

[@muffemod]

@J B I'm not refusing to acknowledge the upgraded frame (stippling, beavertail, undercut, PVD). Most shooters will see them as welcomed additions, but to call them major performance upgrades is "dubious" because most shooters will be able to shoot a stock frame and Legion frame just as well with similar accuracy, draw time, follow up time, etc. Similarly my commute to work will be the same time whether in a VW sedan or Audi sports car. The enhancements are nice for the ride, but they get to the same place in the same time. So yes there are enhancements to ergonomics with Legion ($400 worth is up to the consumer to decide) but real world translatable performance compared to a tricked out base model P226 is going to be a tough sell for those who have any competency with basic gunsmithing and shooting fundamentals.

[@jcb7265]

Dude you can get all the same stuff sold on the Legion store from the manufacture and in some cases for less$$$. It is a marketing ploy by Sig to create some loyalty in the same vein as frequent flyer or gold card holders in the credit card market. I like your build and am sure it is great but a Legion is awesome right out of the box and you had to go through 3 grips 3 triggers etc to get your awesome gun. Get over the Legion thing....it isn’t worth the complaining

[@TheFallingHammer]

+J C B I forgot what I saw advertised at the store that I wanted but was irritated when I couldn't buy it. I totally get it, I was in sales for 9 years and it is working out great for them. I wouldn't expect them to change it. I just hate the elitist attitude of a large amount of legion owners that don't know a thing about Sigs. I throw them into the glocktard/most Porsche owners are bulges group. I'll try not to whine too much, thanks for being one of the few that actually take the time to comment. I didn't realize how much went into all this and it's nice when people actually pay attention and respond back! 👊

[@jcb7265]

TheFallingHammer I get ya cause I had 2 Sig ARs and a P model before picking up a Legion. By far the Legion is the best out of box Sig I own so if some rich bitch just bought a Legion and it alone or one switched from a plastic gun to the Legion I get why they tout the Legion.

[@c-sync9223]

my sig legions > that thing lol, tho i suppose its all opinion by the way i have a p226 legion single action only, and a p226 rx legion single action only with the legion tactical light and a suppressor. sick

[@TheFallingHammer]

I wish you could shoot this thing now, it would blow your mind. The legion SAOs are epic. I have one in 229 SAO. Check out my instagram to see where that's at now 😁

[@c-sync9223]

TheFallingHammer yeah i do suppose it is unfair of me to make such a comment without shooting it myself haha its jus had to imagine it getting much better, and i have 2 legions myself 226 SAO also one is the rx version with a tactical light an the other is just plain. but certainly a beautiful gun itself i jus love these legions lol

[@TheFallingHammer]

@@c-sync9223 SAO takes out DASA in my opinion the trigger on my 229 SAO is insane. The M11a1 is about 7.5 pounds in double action and about 2.2 pounds in single action and is butter smooth. It's in Cajun CZ territory

[@andrewwilliams3207]

the answer is no

[@tommcqueen3145]

I heard sig went out of business in Germany

[@TheFallingHammer]

I don't know if it's going to be 100% good bye, but they are shutting down the factory in Germany that makes all the mastershop guns.

[@bloodyitachi]

1300 and no rail for a light or red dot cutout, or red dot itself. . .I'd rather just buy a legion

[@dsmith2197]

My nitron coated p229 LEGION crushes that gun and I spent less than you! Oh yeah and my coin is very shiny! 😂

[@TheFallingHammer]

Legions are PVD coated. Nitron is the base sig model so I don't know how to understand this.... Did you remove the PVD coating and get it nitron coated? Did you also get a trigger that removes pretravel AND over travel? I think you missed the point of this video, but your explanation of your gun makes me not surprised. Thanks for watching and taking the time out of your day to comment! 👍

[@terryvilhauer9228]

got P226 IN 357 LEGION im not a cheap ass

[@j.m.youngquist419]

I already have a legion killer it's called a sig sauer m11a1 without that stupid fancy finish you have on the legions

[@TheFallingHammer]

Insert Natalie Portman meme here 😂 that's the equivalent of saying I have a a Shelby mustang killer already in my mustang GT 🙄

[@shaneleonard7218]

Mines as good as a legion and it was cheaper.

[@nobodysreview6137]

Legion is the stupidist name in the world, u did the right thing by making mods that fit you.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Lmao they are cool but people act like they are a completely different gun 😂

[@grantorino2009]

Dude, this video is great, except for your ramblings about Glock people. Last time I checked, this was a Sig video. Every gun owner thinks their guns are the best. Why are Glock people wrong for thinking theirs are the best whenever you think your Sig is the best? Why aren't you calling out CZ people? M&P people? PPQ people? VP9 people? Kinda hypocritical for a guy who's only been shooting a year. Takes away from an otherwise good video.

[@TheFallingHammer]

I appreciate the input, if you watch my other videos I do say that glocks are awesome guns. But they do have the largest "fan boy" following and the highest percentage of people that believe that they are the best out there and nothing comes close. I have a ton of glock friends and like to troll them. CZ's, M&P, Walther and HK don't have the blind cult like following that Glock does. If I could only have 1 pistol in a SHTF event, it would be a G19 in 9mm. That being said, it's towards the bottom of my list as far as guns I enjoy shooting. I hope you keep up with the channel, a lot has changed since this video. Thanks for the views and the time you took to write a thought out comment. 👊🏻

[@alexanderfrancis1845]

Sounds like you should buy a legion cause your really concerned about this whole thing. I mean they dont owe you anything man if a company sayes hey buy a specific product and then you get cool stuff in return then that's what you gotta do it's just marketing

[@TheFallingHammer]

Ive bought one, just because it's the only way to get a 229 SAO. Legions are good guns, I just get tired of the people that act like they are in a whole different league than other sigs. Also having the video be "a great sig" wouldn't get as much attention. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!

[@jimigogls]

you lost me at grip tape, sorry

[@TheFallingHammer]

+jimigogls I took it off shortly after, the plus to it was that it perfectly cut and designed for the gun and was a comfortable improvement. But having a sticker on one of my Sigs bugged me too much and I took it off. Hope you come back sometime

[@blake102989]

I'm more of a Sig fan than Glock but Glock is the superior gun no doubt about it. It has been battle tested proven, over and over again and still remains #1 in reliability. As much as I love Sig, if I could have only 1 gun it would be a Glock and only because of its proven reliability.

[@TheFallingHammer]

blake102989 I disagree, I see glock's fail at matches all the time. Everything fails. The only thing glock has over sig is the availability of parts, and it's easier to take apart. If that were the case SF guys would all carry them, but believe it or not they usually go between a Beretta, Mk25, or TRP.

[@blake102989]

The bad thing with beretta and such is they have almost zero tolerance which doesn't allow debris to get through it if it gets dirty. From what I've seen glocks go through and still fire almost every time surpasses the amount of times I've seen another gun keep going. My brother in law is SF and he and most of his buddies wont carry anything but a glock. I would love to see them do sometime of metal framed gun instead of polymer though.

[@TheFallingHammer]

blake102989 what branch? I have a buddy that was a team guy and that's what he said they all carried, mostly mk25s and trps.

[@TheFallingHammer]

blake102989 I totally agree glock's are Uber reliable, but non competition 226s and 229s run like a clock too.

[@blake102989]

TheFallingHammer hes army, stationed in bragg. I've been wanting a 226 legion really bad. I just got done with a g17 polymer 80 build but still have some touch ups to do on it since the slide is a little sticky going on and the last 2 mags I ran through it, the slide didnt lock back. Have you watched military arms torture test? Much to my surprise the 226 legio did the worst out of pretty much every gun hes did. Kinda hurt my feelings lol I've seen others say they are not as reliable as people think but I havent ran one personally.

[@wewd]

The same CEO that ran Kimber into the ground is the genius responsible for the Legion BS. I was going to buy a 10mm P220 until I found out the only "normal" model they sell is a Legion for almost $2000. No thanks.

[@TheFallingHammer]

I did not know this! Makes perfect sense and explains the finish issues. Fingers crossed for sig

[@hammercrg]

Not true, you can get a P220 elite in 10mm, I live in Maine and my LGS has them for $1249. There is also two for sale, one in Armslist and one in Uncle Henry's that are under $1000

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

I got the Legion for the trigger, beavertail, and functional hardware. All I needed to do was change the grips and I was happy. I don't think that equates to being a glocktard. Yours is still awesome and I don't like the elitist Legion club bullshit.

[@MrMooseSlayer]

I don't really care one way or the other about the Legion club crap. Nobody is missing a thing. The carrying case that you have to get after the fact is nice, I guess, but doesn't have a carry handle so it has sat on top of my safe since it got here. And the medallion??? WTF?? seems a bit Pokemon-ish to me, but whatever. I won't pay what they're asking for anything they have to offer in the "club area". Everything is WAY overpriced... so I'm fairly indifferent to the whole thing. It's the pistol itself, which is incredible, IMHO. But I have to ask... what didn't you like about the Legion grips? I absolutely love mine! P229 in 9mm.

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

Both are worthless. The carry case is only good for vehicle transport or something to that effect, but really as a weapon case it is very cheap. The medallion....I don't even know what to think about it. The best thing about getting the Legion was not having to install an SRT kit, and being able to sell the Legion branded grips for $269.99 on eBay to someone willing to pay for it, so I made well over $100 and got my chainlink Houge grip and semi-flat trigger for free.

[@AGC828]

Legion guns are overrated. Only plus it's the Legion branding if that's important to the buyer. Not me. SIG should bring back the M11-A1

[@alexhutton155]

Not gonna beat the SAO version sorry man

[@TheFallingHammer]

You are 10000% right. My 229 SAO is my baby

[@Dizzywind]

Nothing like a gun review where the audio is dubbed in like a bad kungfu movie ...... Otherwise an interesting vidio.

[@TheFallingHammer]

Tom Cantu your being nice lol. I had a ton of friends and online gun buddies rip me apart for that. The music has stopped shortly after that video. I think the editing has gotten better now I just have to not look like a zombie half the time. Thanks for watching and Part II of the video will be up soon.

[@mmarpfm1]

Wow for somebody that don't want to talk about Legion that's all you talk about. For somebody that hates Legion sure wants to be a part of their Club. You keep saying you're done your rant and then you rant. PS Legion makes that gun look like s***

[@stephontaylor7356]

Stop crying & buy a legion or make your own club

[@TheFallingHammer]

I did, your watching it. Thanks for the views and comment 🖖

[@michaelanthonyanderson4404]

You come off really whiney about the legion. And I have to say the legion is a better piston.

[@TheFallingHammer]

A lot of whiney legion people were one of the reasons I made the video so that was kind of the point. Not saying everyone with legions are but there were a few posts in a sig group where people were arguing it was the best sig ever and its not. Is it a great PISTOL? Yes. One of Sigs better pistols? Yes. The best sig made? No, far from it. Can it be easily duplicated? Yes. Can you build something that functions even better? Yes.

[@bicycle551]

Sorry, what did you say? Ehh? Speak up please. Get a mike on your shirt. Too painful to hold my laptop to my ear! Bye

[@TheFallingHammer]

Got one shortly there after. A little late but I was new to all of this at the time