Sigineer 15kw inverter unboxing

[@all4amd344]

Can you detail about the common issues with the inverter board? Looks just like the inverter board in my 18k SunGoldPower that just spectacularly released the magic smoke.

[@leexgx]

Interesting things about you say about the fans, motor on the back is the direction of flow (even the shape of the thins) , So this is a split phase 7kw per leg inverter (don't expect it to do 15kw off one leg without melting stuff) I seen others wire directly off the circuit breaker instead of the junction blocks so not to overheat

[@erroneus]

correct, each leg would do about 7kw max. i'll demo some test during future videos

[@kickgas7171]

You can't beat Sigineer low frequency, transformer based inverter chargers for performance and reliability. They're so much better than all of the cheap, short lived, high frequency junk inverters that everyone else is selling.

[@pavelnsodim8819]

Where did you buy it from

[@mikeg2321]

Ia your sigineer inverter still working well

[@erroneus]

@@mikeg2321 sold it a couple years ago

[@loungelizard836]

Can you hook it to an oscope to show waveform under load? My Powerjack claims 15kw constant load but anything above about 5kw and it goes to a flat-top (almost square) wave.

[@andrewelliot7039]

I realize I am kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good website to stream newly released series online ?

[@andrewelliot7039]

@Troy Aarav Thank you, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I appreciate it !

[@troyaarav9971]

@Andrew Elliot glad I could help xD

[@a2cryss]

The insides look just like the AIMS inverters. That empty space on the AIMS was for some kind Pump input hookup inductor.

[@luisquinones104]

What is the max power voltage of the sigineer 12k?

[@smartliketruck]

The Sigineer lineup looks a lot like AIMS which is made by YIY as far as I've read. May be useful if you are trying to track down parts.

[@stevelamperta865]

they are made in china.

[@kingrpriddick]

Those are DIN rail breakers and are much more common than what North America uses in our walls. They are the standard for all equipment and machines, as well as ROW electrical panels.

[@aday1637]

Those are dc breakers with arc protection built in which is what differentiates them from ac breakers. DC arcs dramatically when it makes and breaks contact. Arc arrestors are necessary and these are the one's designed to do that.

[@kingrpriddick]

@@aday1637 DIN being the form factor while also being rated to better survive the arc. Not all DC rated breakers are created equal as you mention. It's prudent to pursue quality examples when they are expected to perform many times.

[@mashhourtaleb2262]

What price for this inverter ? How much battery's must connect with it? Where I can buy it?

[@قلبينار-ظ4ق]

انته من أي بلد

[@f.emanuel4048]

@@قلبينار-ظ4ق ?????

[@Anthonylopez-rd7nr]

The empty space could be for a 100a MPPt charge controller.

[@showmequick2245]

anthony lopez exactly my though. That would be deal breaker

[@svilponis]

This space actually is for a MPPT controller.

[@karensar9304]

How is your 10k inverter? How does the review work? Or is your Chinese stronger?

[@friendlytryhardgaming2284]

this can power up my entire workshop all at once!!

[@davidjames1684]

I wish they made inverter/chargers that could be phased locked together, so that instead of 1 large inverter/charger like this, you could have 2 smaller ones each feeding a separate 120V branch, but phased locked 180 degrees so that the 240V stuff would work well too. So for example, a pair of 7.5 KW inverter/chargers instead of a single 15KW inverter/charger. I suspect it can be done so why don't they do it? It would be easier to move 2 smaller inverters around, and they could either share a large battery bank or have their own smaller battery banks. Many more options with that setup.

[@ericbraun4652]

There are many that are "parallelable". Here's an example: www.ebay.com/itm/254419476613?ViewItem=&item=254419476613

[@aday1637]

They do. I think Growatt makes one among others

[@kris1935]

what happened to the other one?

[@bigblockcutlass123]

did you ever get this up and running

[@peterokeleke1872]

Kindly assist with the no load current draw. i.e how much power does it draw without load. Thanks.

[@tetraederzufrequenz]

How much is it?

[@ambersmith6517]

Glad to see you making videos again

[@Oxyfresh2773]

Hey I have a question I need to power my electric carpet cleaning machine. It requires two outlets 17 ams 115 volts and 19 ams 115 and 2 mytee 2400 watt heater i need about 9000 running WATTs total. Can I connect the INVERTER to a small generator because this system requires a 220 pound generator i will have to carry around

[@erroneus]

It will not work without a battery pack, but yes, you can connect it to a generator.

[@Oxyfresh2773]

@@erroneus thanks for the info 👍

[@rafaelgutierreznotengo4412]

Hi Joel, I am interesting in transformador de 15000 wts, for shipping to Colombia. Thansk for the information.

[@bostjantrancar9605]

Joel can you tell me about idle current..... and how many mosfet's are on one side... And does mosfet's have some thermal compound on it or are dry mounted on heatsink...

[@erroneus]

I have not powered it up yet, but the documentation implied that the no-load power draw is around 200w. I don't remember how many mosfets there are, but they are directly mounted on the heat sink. There is probably thermal compound, but it isn't obvious

[@loungelizard836]

Dry type ( uses a plastic tape to isolate) is better than the grease for thermal conduction and is also easier to use and replace.

[@thedjdubbieexperience4147]

What is the name of the inverter and how many volts is it for?

[@thedavesofourlives1]

The empty space is probably so they can use the same case for the 24v models with two driver boards?

[@gerardkeaveny9979]

MATHS

[@PhdHung]

wow. I like transformers

[@techbarron7383]

Hi,,hehe

[@jacquelineheaton8463]

you need to flip out thoses single breakers for a single double breaker. its very bad if 1 triples as in the usa or canada we use 2 legs of 120v aka 120/240 split phase. double single breakers tap on leg 1 and leg 2 to get 240v. each leg is still separate of 120v when running back to the appliance. so if 1 pops you need both to trip or you can burn out your appliances. can even cause your appliance to back feed from a simple trip and burn out your inverter but save your appliance.... or burn both up... My guess the inverter will fail first

[@davidjames1684]

That big empty space is where you put the 6 pack of beer when you poke around inside the unit.

[@whiteboyfromernul]

no,thats where customs took out the kilo silly

[@jamest.5001]

I have thought about these, what is the voltage range? It would be nice if it would go down to 18v or so, so 6s liion would be more comparable, I have a inverter charger, but not likely going to use the charger, being off grid, I have a 7s liion bank, 29.4 v peak. I'm looking for a larger inverter, 200w idle is a bit rough!!

[@davidjames1684]

I believe the power save mode on this one is around 50 watts.

[@texas2cv]

So ... 1) This looks a little "beefier" than the Sungoldpower 15k 48V in terms of wire gauge and components. Agree? 2) From previous, it looks like you are using (or are going to use) four 74p/6s Tesla 444cell modules for storage. Yes/No? 3) This looks EXTREMELY similar to what I plan in the future, so I would like to follow your progression if you do intend to (a) hook this up to an MPPT solar controller (b) go off grid and/or generator backup (c) keep posting your trials and tribulations especially with BMS issues, shielding issues, and your determination of upper limits of the unit. Thanks WJ

[@erroneus]

1) haven't seen the sungold thing 2) yes 3) stay tuned. Specific plans tbd

[@joelfuller4677]

Nice video Joel (from one to another). Can you tell me how loud the unit is when operating? Both low and high load? I am very curious about the noise level.

[@erroneus]

It hums like a big transformer, not silent, but not invasive either.

[@kirbyman1kanden7pf]

probably doubles as a good room heater too

[@jasonflt]

You should do an update video. What part of Canada are you in ? I'm hoping west lol. Also do you have link on where you bought the inverter from or directly from them

[@erroneus]

Sorry, southern ontario

[@jasonflt]

@@erroneus darn oh well. Thanks for the reply back.

[@onegreenev]

So you are a Jack Rickard fan. I stopped watching most of his stuff a few years ago. So he had some influence on the lithium algorithm for these inverters? I too have one of these. Mine is yet to be unpacked. Was shipped mid summer this past year. Still working on my bank of batteries. Im going to be using Nissan Leaf Modules. I have 90 usable ones at this time. I'll be making them into 48 volt packs and want to charge the batteries from the inverter itself. Then go into generator mode when power goes out or to manually switch off grid at night then back on in the morning.

[@iandadschorn4336]

Pete, I am looking to do the same Leaf battery bank as you. Could you provide any tips on BMS choice and solar options you went with. i.e. Did you go with micro inverters for your solar system?

[@onegreenev]

@@iandadschorn4336 I’m still hunting for a simple but reliable BMS built somewhere other than China. Those are not overly user friendly. Our solar was put up before microinverters. I do however recommend micro inverters for solar. One nice thing is if you know the size system you want you can buy the cabling and rails and add a panel and inverter at a time as your funds allow. My next option is using new micro inverters and stringing two or three older panels together per micro inverters so you can take advantage of the cheap panels. Micro inverters are much better than the large inverters hands down. I’m going to buy a small high frequency inverter for my power wall. Hoping to make it an all in one unit.

[@ugetridofit]

So where is the the updated video of it running.

[@erroneus]

Sorry, been moving to a new place for the last few months. And now it is too cold to continue this for now. I'll get back to it next summer

[@bornfree1794]

Missing space is for Optional MPPT Charger

[@blainecelestaine4543]

How did this work out.?

[@erroneus]

This is still too small to take a farm off grid. I ended up selling it.

[@aday1637]

At 15kw using 48 volt battery voltage, you'd need the batteries to provide 312 amps. Which means you'd need a whole heck of a lot of battery. (312 amps x 48 volts = approx 15,000). Which means you'd need at least 350 awg wire to conduct that amperage. 350 awg is nearly an inch in diameter. So in essence 15 kw inverter is for industrial use and not intended for home usage. Not sure you realize any of this. At today's prices the wire alone will cost as much as the inverter. Most homes will run fine on 5 kw or less, depending on devices used. If you are off grid you will probably want a gas or propane hot water heater and stove as well as clothes dryer if you need or want those items. I can run my entire home for around 2200 watts including 4 heat pumps (inverter type). Bigger isn't always better. Unused inverter will be less efficient than smaller one being fully used. I cannot imagine the price of batteries you'd need to fully use this beast but it's got to be near $10,000 range using build it yourself components.

[@BobbyBleacher]

I used tesla batteries with 4/0 wire for the necessary amperage and lived with it for many years supplying power for the entire home, charged by solar every day. It's extremely feasible to set it all up. Lots of satisfaction being self-sufficient, too. Mine was the 12kW version.

[@Rafaeljotiar]

But you can’t get 15 kw only with 48 vdc input if the wattage is low. I believe you must have a high input wattage also .

[@dumbassdriversofdenver9113]

Wattage is a volts x amps. If you can supply 48v at 312.5 amps you have an input wattage of 15,000 watts = 15kw. 48 x 312.5 = 15,000 That's with perfect efficiency of course so realistically probably would draw closer to 330 or more depending on waste heat. But as he said input must be 50v or higher to achieve the full 15kw output.

[@anwarhayat2725]

15000 watts how moch prize with super cape site r 12volt. 3000farad

[@JoseGarcia-px9xj]

i have the 12kW version, but my electronics clocks delay 2 min every day, my led bulbs blink lightly when is a load more than 1kW, did you already has this inverter working

[@erroneus]

not yet, having issues with the BMS being sensitive to the electronic noise from the inverter, i'm re-doing the harness to include some shielding.

[@ibidapoilawole7120]

You might want to get spare power board and control board. Always good to have them handy

[@bradwheeler2116]

My clocks delay about the same with my 6kw one as well. But for the price I am happy with it.

[@jeffbowers950]

Joel, when I was installing my battleborns to inverter I spoke to battleborn. They advised me to wait untill they sent me free of charge a (csl-500 unit) currant surge limiter device which they told me to install between the batt. bank and inverter. It's purpose as they explained it to me was to protect the BMS systems from the initial high draw upon turning on inverter (while capacitors charged up). They said without it I could have batt cut out issues from BMS, or worse batt and BMS damage. I waited and installed the unit as they suggested and everything has worked flawlessly for 1-1/2 years now. I saw your comment and immediatly thought of this. Hope it's useful to ya.

[@dumbassdriversofdenver9113]

Whats the output frequency of the inverter? If it's 50hz and not 60hz then that's why your clocks can't keep the time.

[@Jennifer-007]

Hi Joel, I'm doing the EVTV BMS with Tesla modules and am considering getting one of these like you did, are you still happy with it, any problems over the last few years?

[@erroneus]

Yeah, it was good, I sold it a couple years ago though. It is undersized for my current living situation

[@Jennifer-007]

@@erroneus Hey thanks for the quick response.. I'm also from Canada, now living in Arizona.... I may stick to running a couple Victron Quattro 15kw's instead but thanks for the great video and response.

[@pirpy2]

please update on inverter

[@erroneus]

It is in storage until next summer, need solar panels up first

[@scottmcintosh2988]

Against the National Electric Code to use anything with out UL approved devices on grid or CSA in Canada. So check the codes for USA and Canada as there is a big fine for not having UL approved or C S A in Canada . Beware .

[@trt7838]

You are wrong. You do not need UL listed inverter unless you plan to grid-tie you system. In this case, power company will ask you to have UL listed inverter.

[@loungelizard836]

May be true, but how would anyone know since you are off grid anyway?

[@brosjay8070]

Can you used this without battery?

[@erroneus]

No

[@kingrpriddick]

2x 10AWG wires is almost exactly equivalent to a 7 AWG wire. It's minus 3 gauge, the entire AWG system was based on the idea copper wire is mandrel drawn from a solid copper billet which is 0 Gauge. Each size mandrel was 1 Gauge and the billet was drawn that number of times. This was setup for solid wire, so for stranded wire the cross sectional area of copper is the same but the bundle of strands will increase with strand count so there *should*/has-to-be the same amount of copper in a solid 2 awg wire as a million strand 2 awg wire. This is about 5 minutes of research so learn and get better please!

[@kingrpriddick]

@Ray N American wire gauge was based off of the number of times the raw material was drawn down through a die to make it smaller, so the more times the wire was made smaller the smaller it is and the less electrical current it can pass without melting.

[@kingrpriddick]

@Ray N another uncommon piece of knowledge about American wire gauge, the gauge defines the cross-sectional area of a wire not the diameter. So a stranded wire will have a larger diameter to fit the same cross-sectional area of metal. And American wire gauge tells you nothing about the thickness of the sheathing or anything else around the metal.

[@aday1637]

@@kingrpriddick That is the old Birmingham method. It's now sized by .8 the diameter of the next larges size. Not by how many draws make it. You can make any size now in one draw.

[@bostjantrancar9605]

Empty space is for two 60A mppt charge controller like in my case...

[@leexgx]

I thought it was the 3rd small transformer to drive a water pump upto 10HP (or something pump related)

[@bostjantrancar9605]

Probably in aims inverter..... Generally Chinese inverter like I get...are inside two 60A mppt.... For each of mppt you have to pay about 120€...and those mppt are really capable deliver 60A....

[@davidjames1684]

I few things I do not like about this model... 1) Only 2 terminal posts to connect the battery to. How the hell will that handle 1000A peak input when the 15KW units handles a brief surge of 40KW? 2) I wish the display would show many things at the same time rather than having to cycle thru them. 3) Why have it only 48V input? Why not something higher such as 60V? I have a 48V DC input UPS that is only 1600 watts output so why would they also use 48V DC input for 15KW surging at way more than that? 60V or even 72V might be better. 72V can be felt if you touch it but is not normally deadly.

[@DEVONLAD11]

Full pull it will suck 312.5 Amps not 1000 Amps the higher the input voltage the lower the current my 10kw inverter with 60v input draws 166A

[@davidjames1684]

That 15KW unit is supposed to have a 3x surge of 45KW so that would be very close to 1000A of DC input. 312.5A will not handle the surges.

[@jeffbowers950]

@@davidjames1684 I believe those brief "very high" surges are only seconds long or less and thus may be handled by the charge held within the capacitors rather than (pulling) taking that kind of high draw off of the batteries. I'm no engineer but I believe this is a capacitors purpose in this application is it not ?

[@peterokeleke1872]

@@DEVONLAD11 The surge output power of 45,000.00watts corresponds to 45,000.00/48volts = 937.5amps so 1,000.00amps is accurate at the DC input end assuming zero losses during conversion. Me thinks.

[@iandadschorn4336]

@@jeffbowers950 You are correct here James, that is the purpose of capacitors. Short high surge draws.

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[@davidjames1684]

This is not just an inverter, it is an inverter/charger.

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

Eh? Who even uses the inbuilt charger. It would be much appreciated if these units came with MPPT chargers, then it would make more sense as most of the people use this for solar systems and not “UPS”

[@davidjames1684]

Some people may want to use the onboard charger. For example, people that have a large battery bank and want whole house emergency backup power but do not have and do not want solar panels. They might have enough battery power to run their entire house normally for 1 day, perhaps 2 days sparingly.

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

David James Hm, interesting Wait here So let’s see this like this GRID IN======>>>> Transfer switch (1 or 2) ====>>> panel 1= grid, 2= Connected to this inverters output Solar=====>>>MPPT====>>48V lithium batteries======>> To the inverter And then, a generator connecting to the Inverters input... Is this setup possible? So when the grid goes out we can MANUALLY transfer it over to the inverter, and if there is no sun or the batteries are dead, we can start the generator which will charge the batteries and also provide the home with electricity....

[@davidjames1684]

I would feel more comfortable using a manual transfer switch yes. Once disconnected from the grid, you can do just about anything with generators, idling cars (to charge batteries), solar panels.... The "worst" (in my opinion) are those solar systems that are "dead" when the grid goes down. What a waste. Also, how would you know if most people that buy this unit use it with solar? Is that an assumption?

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

David James As I see in KZbin, this seems a good unit for some 48V setups.... and that to Tesla Lithium!

[@anwarhayat2725]

I wont inverter I. 15000watts. What $

[@jamest.5001]

Do you have a link??

[@erroneus]

www.sigineer.com/product-category/inverter-chargers/

[@EnshanThimothy]

Wow , thanks man

[@frankz1125]

There is bigger. I know a company. My 10 kw inverter is great but its not split phase

[@mdpolashkhan8120]

15 kw Pirce

[@MarkPrince1317]

Wawo 👏👏👏👏👏😯👏👏👏👏

[@elsayedhassan566]

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[@hamzaluay4148]

سعره 2700$

[@victorrinz3753]

good

[@p.brooksmcginnis1749]

No More War

[@mybelovedson]

nope i am using two -24000 inverter

[@kingrpriddick]

You can not size wire without discussing wire length. Truly you should be looking at every factor that contributes to heat dissipation as well but EEs usually use rules of thumb like a derating for a specific insulation or environment like direct burial vs equipment chassis.

[@163pete]

You need to hold the camera still and stop jumping all over the place!

[@muhammadalindunissy3942]

Camera shot is so bad . Shaky shaky

[@zakirHossain-mb4oh]

Prlce

[@hamzaluay4148]

2700$

[@tenzackyogi1742]

Too much shaky camera.. almost got seizure..

[@frankyfranke8226]

Junk