Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 ART - on a Full Frame Body?

[@thatguylb]

This is one of your most informative reviews. I shoot on a full frame and have always wondered how the images would look with a crop sensor lens. I've never thought about trying out these types of lenses, but it's great to know how the images are after shooting. Keep up the great work sir. You always give great reviews.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Thank you very much

[@bardofhighrenown]

While not covering the full frame sensor completely, it's very close. Meaning it may work fine on Sigma's SD Quattro H, with it's APS-H sized sensor (which is ~70% of the surface area of full frame). The idea of using this lens and it's 18-35mm counterpart on something larger than APS-C and getting even more out of them with no compromises is very compelling.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Exactly.

[@heronmyer3780]

it looks even better on FF with the 'art' vignette.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Heron Myer That would certainly be a matter of taste.

[@texmex9721]

Awesome! Thankyou. As a sports shooter who uses both 1.6 crop and FF Canon Cameras, love the fact that 3rd party crop lenses work on FF bodies. My tokina 11-17 works great on my 5D IV, and I can always crop in post.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That can be an advantage, for sure.

[@texmex9721]

The 1D Mark 4 and other cameras in the 1D series before the "X" models were 1.3 crop (APS-H) cameras. They could not take EF lenses from Canon but could take Sigma/Tamron crop lenses. This was your only option for something wide. The Cinema line of cameras are a 1.3 crop (though wider and shorter than the APS-H) but can take canon EF lenses.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

This lens would probably actually work quite well with an APS-H crop.

[@thefantasyfootballhub]

Fun fact, if you're on Sony Full frame, you can get a viltrox speedbooster with this lens, then you crop in to remove the vignette, and then you'll be using it as a 50 100 f1.4, yes f1.4. But you'll lose half the megapixels, but that's not a problem if sure shooting on a R series camera

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It is an interesting lens with a speedbooster, for sure.

[@thefantasyfootballhub]

@@DustinAbbottTWI which is better though,, the viltrox, or the metabones

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Haven't used the Viltrox, so I can't say.

[@thefantasyfootballhub]

@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you. Thus was a great video

[@KrongthaKhamfachuea]

I have a question, if I use it with eos r, will it be cropped? If it is a lens that has not yet updated the firmware can still because i used sigma 30 art 1.4 on eos r before without cropping thank you

[@EmoEmu]

A 100/1.8 is a rather interesting faux-prime for FF. Seems it's right in between an 85/1.4 and 135/2.0 for portrait use. I would really like to have that actually, if they made an actual 100/1.8 prime. Interesting.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+The Emo Emu Yes, as the actually prime might not be the size and weight of a 70-200 f/2.8!!!

[@shang-hsienyang1284]

Thanks Abbott for the review! I have a FX and a DX Nikon, and after watching this review I will try renting one to get some unique 100mm f/1.8 looking photos!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Aaron Yang Enjoy!

[@manuelbergmann9222]

"More demanding fullframe sensor"? Sorry, but that's wrong. The APS-C sensors are more demanding in terms of resolution. Full frame cameras have a lower pixeldensity because they have a larger sensor than APS-C (which is the reason why images produced on full frame are said to be sharper. because they in general are.). So, this lens will be even sharper on full frame bodies (at least at the center - the APS-C crop). The other way around is the problematic one: When using full frame lenses on APS-C bodies you lose resolution as the APS-C sensor is more demanding with its higher pixel density.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I've dealt with this in this thread already, and, you are right that I mispoke in terms of resolution. I was trying to allude to other challenges that will emerge - including chromatic aberrations, distortion, etc... that a lens not designed to cover the full frame image circule will experience.

[@manuelbergmann9222]

Hey! Thanks for your reply and your clarification! :) May I ask: How does the bokeh of the 50-100 1.8 on APS-C compares to the Bokeh of e.g. a Tamron 70-200 USD G1 or G2 (or equivalent Sigma or Canon) on a full frame?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It's fairly good, but just remember that 100mm isn't going to provide as much compression as 200mm.

[@manuelbergmann9222]

Thanks! :)

[@JamesRichardTaylor]

Im well impressed with it on my D810. Purchased it for my 2nd body, a D7200, but since I prefer the 5:4 crop and dont mind a bit of vignette I find it extremely useful at 80-100mm range .

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It's very sharp over that range on full frame.

[@thingsdemystified]

James, how is the falloff in the 5:4 and 1.2x crop modes?

[@HeroShotz]

Wow they need a lens like this on full frame

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Well, to be fair, most 70-200mm F2.8 lenses accomplish essentially the same thing. There's a mild aperture advantage here (in terms of depth of field and more in light gathering), but images from their 70-200 Sport lens will arguably be better.

[@thingsdemystified]

I agree Hero. It would be awesome to have a full frame version but I don't think they will make one because it would be too heavy. Getting to F1.8 would sure give you even smoother/blurrier backgrounds. Just got the 105mm F1.4 though. I think it should satisfy that itch for now.

[@sigmaoctantis_nz]

Such an intriguing lens. I'd actually consider using it on a full frame camera, mainly because I end up cropping the sides off for a 4:3 aspect ratio anyway. The main issue that bothers me is Sigma's dodgy autofocusing accuracy which would be very important for such a lens.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

If you are cropping like that it should work. AF was pretty decent with the lens, though the Tamron I was comparing it to was a bit more accurate.

[@TexMex421]

Great video. For people like me with an APS-H 1D IV, these lenses are fantastic. People seem to have completely forgotten APS-H, but the 1.3X crop cameras were in the strange position of taking only FF lenses from Canon, but were happy to take crop sensor lenses from 3rd party vendors. My 11-16mm f2.8 Tokina for example gave me a wide angle large aperture lens that is fantastic for sports, the whole reason I purchased the 1D Mark IV.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That would be an interesting review. I don't have an APS-H body, but I'd love to see someone do that review.

[@miloschrenko6684]

Good point TexMex. APS-H is forgotten, however not dead, see the new Sigma SD quattro H, which has APS-H sensor. If it was spread more widely, I believe many APS-C lenes would find use on APS-H cameras, since they don´t cover the whole area of FF sensor, but maybe enough to cover APS-H.

[@mattdebyl8806]

IMO the 5DS is possibly their best APS-H camera. Mine spends a lot of time using this lens in APS-H mode. Being able to 'see outside the frame' on a DSLR is pretty nice and 30MP is plenty for most uses. Not as fast, but basically an APS-H version of the 7D II.

[@allangarbutt6218]

Thanks for the review Dustin. The reason I was personally interested in this is I would like to mount this on a 5DsR. My thinking is I could shoot in a 1.3x or 1.6x crop mode, negating the vignetting, while still having 31-38mp to work with and maintaining the shallower DOF on the FF body vs. the APS-C. A fast zoom like this would be great for low light event photography. Is there any chance you could do a review of this lens on a 5Ds body? Thanks again.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I don't have a 5Ds/R body (I've considered getting one but now am waiting to see what the 5D4 has to offer). Others have thought of the same thing, though, and I don't see why it wouldn't work.

[@chrisogrady28]

What was that about the 'more demanding full frame sensor'? That's just wrong, cropped sensors are much more demanding of the glass being high quality as their pixel density is higher. And decent crop lens looks amazingly sharp in the centre on a full frame camera, they just have a big vignette obviously. You can test this by putting full frame lenses on cropped bodies, they look less sharp because you're demanding more of a smaller circle of glass. This is one of the reasons that bigger sensors and bigger lenses of medium format systems can continue to reach higher megapixels whereas a 100MP small sensor wouldn't look any sharper than a 50MP because of glass limitations. There are quite a few crop lenses that look great at their longest focal length on FF bodies, like the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 is a really good 16mm prime on full frame. Just gets soft at the edges.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Christopher O'Grady Yes and no (this conversation has already been had on this thread). You are right about the pixel pitch (and perhaps I should have been more specific in the video) and resolution, but a full frame sensor also magnifies other flaws. Vignette you've mentioned, but it also shows more flaws like chromatic aberrations, distortion, etc... What I was attempting to say is that I didn't see a lot of those additional flaws manifest themselves with this combination.

[@bahaatamer1245]

I have been looking for a video that covers this issue for over a month now!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'm glad you found this one.

[@JoeJacksonJr]

You seriously need to color calibrate the monitor your editing you videos on. Except for your head and the pattern on your sweater. Everything is black. Also just to point out full frame sensors are normally less demanding on a lens then a APS-C sensor. This is due to smaller pixel pitch on APC-S sized sensors. For example the Canon 5DSR is also very demanding since it has a smaller pixel pitch.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Joe's Photo & Video Channel I do have a thoroughly calibrated, high end monitor. The problem for this episode was more about the wardrobe/backdrop combination. One of the perils of being in front of the camera rather than behind it. By the time I go to edit, it is too late. As to your latter point, I've had this conversation with someone else below. You are right in the sense of the pixel pitch, but the nature of full frame is more demanding on lenses when it comes to chromatic aberrations, distortion, vignette, and a number of other optical issues that can diminish apparent resolution. This is the reason that full frame lenses often exhibit far less flaws on a crop sensor. This lens, for example, exhibits much more distortion when mounted on full frame and may not be a great portrait choice as a result.

[@JoeJacksonJr]

Dustin Abbott Actually Dustin I think your still mistaken just a little. Often Full Frame lenses exhibit more chroma issues when on a APS-C body. However they often do not show distortion on the edges as bad since the cropped sensor only uses the center portion of the lens. I dont mean to sound like south end of a north bound mule here. I just dont like wrong information being tossed around. Hope you understand. Cheers, Joe

[@elieh.studio]

Fantastic, do you think these vignettes are still as strong with videos? Since videos are 16:9 instead of 4:3

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Yes and no. You'll lose the extreme corners, obviously, but will still see some shading along the edges.

[@stevenmuncy491]

For people who shoot a more square composition this lens may be ideal.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

True...assuming they are desperate to shoot a crop sensor lens on full frame.

[@southbridgeforestHOA]

​@@DustinAbbottTWIprobably desperate to find any 1.8 zoom less than $1000 is more like it. The sigma 18-35 and 50-100 are the only f 1.8 zooms out there they also have the 24-35mm f/2. Canon has the 28-70mm f/2 for $3000. thanks for showing covering up that last gold contactd allows for full frame shooting! I think I will get this lens!​

[@kaduzeratv]

80-160mm 2.8 equivalent on a full frame body. Great for crop-sensor owner to have that 2.8 equivalent aperture.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+kaduzera It's a handy focal range, for sure.

[@kaduzeratv]

+Stephen Gatley because of the smaller sensor you also gather less light. The light and the bokeh will be equivalent to 2.8 on a full frame.

[@kaduzeratv]

+Stephen Gatley I stand with my first comment.

[@kaduzeratv]

+Stephen Gatley At the equivalent focal lengh and equilalent framing, 1.8 will be 2.8 on a full frame, you cant prove the opposite.

[@kaduzeratv]

You cant prove, thats it.

[@KTMcaptain]

so 1.2x crop mode should be prefect?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

What camera has a 1.2x crop? APS-H is 1.3. I can't say that it will be perfect without testing it on an APS-H body, but it probably should do okay.

[@KTMcaptain]

+Dustin Abbott sorry, my Nikon D750 has a 1.2x mode and 1.5x. when I use my 35 dx 1.8 I put it in 1.2x and it's perfect. acts like a 42mm f2 prime. or I'll live with the harsh vignette.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Firestarter I'm not sure. That should crop in the extreme corners, though I'm not sure how it will do from 50-60mm.

[@mattdebyl8806]

I use this lens because I use multiple systems across both video and stills and this particular lens is extremely flexible for this use. I use mine on a 5DS which is 50MP and has crop modes for 1.3x (30MP APS-H) and 1.6x (20MP APS-C). It works brilliantly at 1.3x at all focal lengths and could certainly use a smaller crop much of the time, it has heaps more than the 1.5/1.6x of APS-C even at the widest FL's, so 1.2x would probably be more than fine. The way the 5DS does this is by a metadata crop in RAW (and actual crop for JPEG), so I can always adjust the crop if needed. In the conditions I often shoot for stills I end up being quite happy with the natural vignette on FF, but the APS-H crop has excellent illumination across the frame, almost boringly so. I also use this on mirrorless and with a 1.4x TC it becomes a 70-140mm f2.4 and does cover FF at every FL (which is obvious since it is capable at 1.2x and perfectly fine at 1.3x). I got mine on sale and it is such a good lens I base a lot of my ongoing gear purchases around it.

[@krijnbuijt]

on a canon 1d IV (aps-H) it works perfect! 50mm to 100mm no significant vignetting.

[@Herbridge]

I have keeping this pair of f1.8 zooms to work on FF bodies which have 1.2 crop and images are fantastic

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Nice.

[@Sandercats]

I'm actually surprised, I expected the vignetting to be much bigger needing a bigger crop. I imagine that lens with a 5dsR would be very nice.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Sander Freitas Sure, although some have reported the distortion is really increased on FF

[@foodscience2]

Great video! Another similar topic that hardly anyone considered is using speedbooster adapter on a full frame lens, on a full frame body. I understand that some FF lenses have larger image circle than is required, much like this Sigma 50-100. I would love to see whether lenses like Canon's 85mm 1.2 can be "boosted" on A7 series.

[@jeffrydemeyer5433]

shame doesn't look like at 50mm it will cover 1.2 crop either (for the sigma sd1qH) Also a lens that is sharp on a high megapixel aps body will always be center sharp on a full frame body with an equal amount of pixels. Simply because the photo sites on the FF sensor are bigger resulting in the lens not having to resolve as much. Anecdote: A couple of months ago I seriously over payed for a used 300mm f4 the previous owner "fixed" on his own, because I brought my d800 to test it, it looks sharp on this camera with the big photosites. When I tried it on my d5200 it became clear how much I was ripped off, fussy mess I need to stop down to f8 to get somewhat sharp results... Lesson learned, I'm bringing the aps body the next time I'm buying used lenses.

[@MrKdr500]

+jeffry de meyer maybe the lesson is "don't buy a used lens"?

[@jeffrydemeyer5433]

+MrKdr500 Not really, I have bought and sold a couple of lenses already and this is the first time I feel like I bought a lemon and payed for a lens. Buying used is an affordable way to expand your equipment and find out if something is for you or not. Sadly there are people out there that have no problem ripping others off and I should have been more careful. Good lenses don't go bad all that quickly, I'm currently borrowing a nikkor 50mm 1.4 AI which is almost 2 decades older than I am and is still working perfectly. I have a hard time imagining a landfill with lenses, it would be such a waste.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+jeffry de meyer If you hear about that landfill, please let me know!!!!!!

[@frankwong9486]

for resolution demanding , crop cmos does have higher demanding than FullFrame due to the pixel per inch of apsc cmos are higher where a sony A7R with 36 mp , at it's crop mode it only contain 16mp which about 50% less compare to mainstream APSC cmos where can do 24 mp on it

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+frank wong It's basically only the 5DsR that has a similar pixel density to APS-C. Full frame is more demanding on things like chromatic aberrations, vignette, and distortion, however.

[@andrewmckenley5355]

Hey Dustin, in terms of image quality and usability, does the Sigma 18-35mm gives better results than the Tamron 35mm?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It didn't for me. I had a lot of focus inconsistency with the Sigma, whereas the Tamron focused very well for me. Sigma has slightly better bokeh, the Tamron has much better maximum magnification and adds weather sealing/image stabilization. The Sigma is a great optic, but on Canon bodies it doesn't always focus accurately. I can't speak for Nikon bodies.

[@andrewmckenley5355]

Thank you for your advice. I use a 6D and 70D like you. I will get the Tamron then.

[@Audimann]

This lens is sharper then almost every other prime. At f2.8 it reaches 60 in the mtf charts and that is insane for a zoom.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It's impressive, though I didn't find contrast radically good.

[@Audimann]

@@DustinAbbottTWI ok, maybe some AF fine tuning can help out. My 50-100 is spot on and contrast is great also . But my other sigma art lenses needed some fine tuning.

[@andyQ123]

Thanks for the review. I think everyone was hoping it would be like the sigma 30mm 1.4. DC art which works on FF although designed for crop but with heavy but easily correctable vignette. A 50-100 on FF would be sweet but you're right, it would be a poor choice to buy this for FF and slave over the post processing. Answered an interesting question though :-)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+andyQ123 Glad to help

[@ashmadux]

Dustin, does this lens have the danger of hitting the mirror? I used to read about those warnings on TDP regarding EFS-EF

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

ashmadux I had no such issue. This is not an EF-S mount, though. It is an EF mount but not designed to cover the full frame image circle. You typically don't have an issue mounting third party lenses.

[@photographybyliamanderson1659]

It’s not an issue for my camera cause it automatically goes into 1.6x on the R6, and with the eye ef help from that camera, it’s amazing for me. Essentially having a 70-200 for late evening wedding photos when I can’t use my 70-200 but want the compression

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

The only issue there is how much your resolution drops. On the R6 you are under 10MP in APs-C mode, but I agree that it is very useful that it automatically triggers that.

[@photographybyliamanderson1659]

Never knew it drops to 10mp

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Yes, it is cropping off part of the image (1.6x crop) in APS-C mode, which gives you about 8MP of resolution. Look at the pixel dimensions of your images shot in that mode and you'll see what I'm saying.

[@ExpofilmsOnGoogle]

using in APS-C mode on A7 cameras works out and gets you a good range at an aperture that other lenses can't touch.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's a good application of the lens.

[@oremustur2344]

Do you think that 85-135 f/2 for ff is something we could expect ?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Đorđe Mustur Wouldn't be surprising...if Sigma has moved any copies of the 24-35mm f/2 (which I suspect has not sold particularly well).

[@sgredsch]

@@DustinAbbottTWI the 24-35 is a cool lens on paper but having it tried it seems like a lemon. optics arent that great (compared to more modern Art Line lenses) and autofocus performance is kinda weak. wasnt a huge fan of it. tried the sigma 14-24 2.8 and it instantly lived in my inventory. the 50-100 1.8 is kinda interesting for my wedding style. i do sport the 14-24 for big group pictures and the main work horse is the 70-200, but there are occasions i want a lens in the 40-150mm zoom range rather than 70-200. sometimes 70 on the low end is not wide enough but the 70 on a 24-70 isnt tele enough, so the 24-70 would be a really niche lens to bring to a wedding for me. primes are a nono and i need some reach, so its really a bummer that theres no lens on FX to cover a 40/50-150mm range with f2.8 or even f2. thats why the 50-100 1.8 seems so interesing. the vignette isnt that bad actually, but 50-100 zoom range at f1.8 is a winner. might try it.

[@FrankNazario]

cool video... you should have been more careful on the light though ...underexposed big time!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

You're right. Unfortunately by the time I got to the edit stage it was too late for this one!

[@FrankNazario]

still content is king! :-) cool info :-)

[@trevorpinnocky]

That lens would be brilliant on my a7r ii in aps-c mode for both video and stills. I also think this is the first time sigma has released a lens that fills a gap on the crop sensor line before addressing full frame first. This is clearly their answer to the 70-200 ish range and as yet there is no option at all for full frame folks. There really needs to be an art zoom for us.

[@MrKdr500]

+trevorpinnocky sigma had a 50-150 f/2.8 that was considered one of the best aps-c lenses ever made, that is closer to the 70-200....

[@trevorpinnocky]

MrKdr500 That lens is a rather old optic at this point. And well outside of the performance envelope of the Art series. This lens is already gargantuan and adding another 50mm to the reach would make it the size of a cinema zoom I suspect. :)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+trevorpinnocky There actually was a second generation of that lens with OS included, but it became much, much larger and (to my knowledge) has sold very little. I have never seen anyone using it or posting photos with it tagged.

[@deeplydeluxe]

Looks like Sigma may have had the APS-H 1.3x sensor in the upcoming SD Quattro H in mind when they designed this.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That may be. I kind of wonder how many of those bodies they will sell, though. I don't know that I've ever seen a Sigma body out in the wild.

Dustin, thanks for great videos. May I suggest some change in the ligthning when you use a black background, together with black shirts etc, right now your arms are like blending with the background :-)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Richard Rönnbäck You are definitely right. The perils of being in front of the camera while trying to be the camera man too!

[@raksh9]

I wonder how much vignetting is visible when shooting video in 16:9 ratio. The Sigma 18-35 has huge vignetting at 18mm, but the 50-100 at 50mm doesn't seem too bad.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I would think that the majority of the vignette would be clipped.

[@raksh9]

@@DustinAbbottTWI It sounds very promising. With a Canon R6 and variable ND adapter for EF lenses, this Sigma could be a very good move for video.

[@STEHH87]

Hey Dustin, first of all fantastic review! Second, I wanted to know if you have any influence over which kind of commercials are shown prior to your videos? I'm only asking because I'd prefer not skip the commercials, as I thought it might benefit you , but lately there are always these 3 min long movie trailers shown before your videos and these just seem to take forever.... Just wanted to let you know, in case you do have some influence over this, to maybe throw in a few 30sec commercials rather than 3min ones... Again keep up the good work!!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+STEHH87 You have very little control. I only check the box for the skippable commercials because I'm not trying to torture my followers, but that's about the limit of your control.

[@gameshoes]

+STEHH87 As the viewer, you can somewhat influence what kind of commercials you get. Like any other advertising company, Google/KZbin does track what you're watching. If you watch a lot of photography videos, you're going to get a lot of Canon ads. View a computer peripheral video, you're going to get this odd accessory meant for "professionals" that looks like a piece of junk. However, that influence is limited and you're still going to get bombarded with those Mazda ads.

[@thingsdemystified]

Thanks for making this video! I was getting all excited about this lens until I found out it was for crop sensors only. It still could be used with a slight crop I guess. I also wish it had image stabilization. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make do with my 70-200 F2.8 for now =)

[@OM3N1R]

the 50-100 f1.8 is equivalent to 75-150 f2.7 on Full frame. You're much better off with the lens you have

[@samyrnovelli]

75-150 f2.7 (f1.8 = more light)

[@OM3N1R]

yes, technically more light, but noise and depth of field will be roughly similar due to the smaller sensor size. If you have a 70-200 2.8 on a full frame system, this lens is pretty much redundant

[@duncandim]

well it's much lighter than and more compact than the 70-200 so if you shoot lots of indoor then this lens might be interesting. I do want to test it out on my D800 because cropping is definitely not an issue with it. I could see myself using it on my wedding shoots.

[@duncandim]

I take it back this lens is MASSIVE and super heavy.. 1490kg !!!

[@BULLSHXTYT]

Have you tried to remove those three screws around the mount? I have a Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 and once I remove the "hood" at the back of the lens the vignetting improves quite a lot.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+thisaccountisfake Most lenses that I review have been loaned to me. I'm not in the habit of doing "surgery" on them or I soon wouldn't have anything to review :)

[@jiefuti]

Insightful video! Was the lens hood off during these tests? The vignetting in the first image looks a bit rectangular.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I don't actually recall that. I don't think so, but it's bee a little bit, now.

[@bler43]

Hi Dustin, I know a7ii has an apc crop mode would this work without the vignetting? say a7ii+mc-11 adapter +50-100 without the vignetting? would a7ii go to crop mode automatically? thank you

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I can't say for certain (don't own the A7ii), but I suspect that should be the case. The image circle should be cropped to the APS-C standard.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

Wait so, this lens would be ok for VIDEO on full frame, as it cuts of a bit from top n bottom?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I can't say that with certainty, though I think that would probably be true from 75mm or so and up.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

Dustin Abbott Thank you Mr. Abbott! You made an excellent video keep up the amazing work!

[@stevenlui8105]

Great review! I have acquired this lens recently and it works fantastically with both my A6300, A7R2 and D500. Image quality offered by this lens is top notch but you are paying considerably less. Build quality is also great. It makes a perfect match with 18-35/1.8 for APSC DSLR or Sony mirror less camera users. But I don't think it's a good idea to put it on any full frame body as the useful focal range would be very limited and you would have to use crop mode to fully utilize it.

[@MrKdr500]

+Steven Lui how did you get a D500 before the release date?

[@stevenlui8105]

+MrKdr500 It's already for sales in Hong Kong and I've got mine for a few days now.

[@bler43]

in order to fully utilize the 18-35 sigma in a7r2 are you putting it in crop mode and you can take some photos without the vignetting?

[@stevenlui8105]

+Blair Inmenzo yes it's best to use this lens in crop mode. You still have 18mp files and steady shot at the same time which is lacking in A6300.

[@colinchamorro84]

Thank you

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

You're welcome.

[@przybylskipawel]

Canon! Please allow switching off crop mode on R5 with aps-c lenses.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Agreed. That's a valuable tool for me in evaluating APS-C lenses. On Sony I can see how much of the full frame image circle they cover.

[@dosvecesjaime]

Great that you did this

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Jaime Jaime Thank you!

[@Clove_Parma]

Dustin, I love your videos and the lighting is gorgeous but I feel like I kinda need to say it. The low key lighting with the black backdrop makes it nigh on impossible to actually make out the lens in your footage, maybe a lighter, coloured backdrop could be better?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Dan Ghys That's definitely a problem with this series. It's better when I'm wearing something lightly colored, but...

[@Clove_Parma]

Dustin Abbott Hmm, maybe a light jumper might work better, like you said. Keep up the good work though, I really enjoy your videos.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Dan Ghys It doesn't help that this particular episode is a bit underexposed. The perils of being a one man show.

[@Clove_Parma]

Dustin Abbott All learning experience, I've made the mistake of underexposing all the time, never had the courage to put my videos online though.

[@michaelparks6863]

Doesn't the longer ef-s mount on Canon versions create the possibility of contact with the mirror?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That wasn't an issue in this case.

[@BigAntTVMedia]

Would u recommend this lens on a 7d2 Mark 2 shooting HS NCAA or NFL football? With no IS

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Big Ant TV Media LLC Tracking performance seemed pretty good - I don't see why not. The range is going to be a bit limited, though, as compared to a 70-200 for example. Still, that extra stop and a third could make a difference in how clean a result you get.

[@BigAntTVMedia]

Dustin Abbott ok thks

[@cardiacade]

Top stuff as always Dustin. Reckon folk may be better off getting the Canon 100mm f/2 if they really want a fast 100mm.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+cardiacade Right. The point is that if you are just buying for full frame you are better served by a lens made for full frame (and there are far more options for full frame shooters). Still, this is a worthy second purpose for those that have both.

[@cardiacade]

Dustin Abbott It's commendable that Sigma are thinking about the crop sensor bodies, especially considering the quality of lens they have produced with the 50-100. I'm considering a crop sensor body to compliment my 5d iii and this kind of build, performance and speed are very attractive. Maybe it shouldn't always be the full frame cameras that get the best. Have a top weekend.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

cardiacade True enough. A lot of people are very happy with APS-C and prefer the (typically) smaller and light lenses along with a strong feature set for the money.

[@airjaff]

What is you use this lens on a 5sr or a d810. Thoes cameras have crop mode, would it work like a apsc camera? I've always wondered. Please let me know.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

".+airjaff some people have tested this and say "yes"

Thanks for this video.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

My pleasure!

Basically with any Canon 1D body, with 1.3 crop factor, i should get almost none vignetting?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Juozas Mikulėnas I haven't tested it on APS-H, but I think that should be the case.

[@ccaneccorsoZukowska]

@ I checked, there is no vignetting

@@ccaneccorsoZukowska thanks!

[@Sliwka36]

Sigma art 100mm f1.8. Should be crazy sharp on full frame and lovely bokeh

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Sliwka36 That's about right. Heavy vignette, but fully correctable. That is ONE big and heavy 100mm prime, though :)

[@thingsdemystified]

Or the 105mm F1.4!

[@user-hr7yo5dr7i]

So, if i understood correct, vignetting on full frame i can fix with the lens profile in lightroom, right? Thanks for answer.)))

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Not entirely - you will need to do some manual correction and perhaps some minor cropping, as the profile is designed to correct for the APS-C circle, not full frame.

[@user-hr7yo5dr7i]

@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks a lot!!!))) in your video, as I understand, you were able to completely remove the vignette. If so, it's great, because I'd really want this lens on full frame))

[@dreamfactory5213]

Hi, is this lens good for weddings? Thanks!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Definitely is. Nice, shallow DOF to produce professional looking results.

[@Ferdamus]

Thank you so much for this video! I have a canon 80d and Sony a7r3...I have this lens for my canon mount and I wanted to know if it would be better to use it for a marathon event where I can use my Sony full frame with its higher Frame count compare to my 80d. Also because I have no idea how close or far I will be from the Runners. So my question was answer in this video...any other pointers ? I also have an 85mm prime from Sony don’t know if is better to take that or this lens.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I would say just use it on the 80D. By the time you crop in the edges to eliminate the vignette you haven't gained much resolution.

[@morpheusmorph13]

maybe can use this lens to sony a7 series because most of sony full frame camera have crop mode settings

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+eznymorpheus I'm not familiar enough with Sony bodies to answer that.

[@kherrick1]

The nikon d750 has an automatic crop setting!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's difficult to defeat, then.

[@RobertLeBlancPhoto]

Nice review. If I already have the Canon EF 70-200/2.8 L IS II, should I still get this lens? Thus far, I'm thinking no, even though it's tempting. Thoughts?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Robert LeBlanc I wouldn't think so, unless you feel you really need the wider aperture. Definitely not if you have a full frame camera!

[@RobertLeBlancPhoto]

Dustin Abbott I have an 80D now and plan to get a 5D4 later this year. I like how it's both compact and constant f1.8

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Robert LeBlanc Compact? I don't know if I'd go that far, but it does have beautiful optics.

[@RobertLeBlancPhoto]

Dustin Abbott Compared to my Canon 70-200/2.8 L IS II, it's compact. ;)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Robert LeBlanc It's not, really. It's an inch shorter, yes, but weighs the exact same. It's a BIG lens.

[@theaprum1]

Useful to know, thanks.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Kunthea Prum Glad to help out.

[@dclinks]

You can crop on the camera right?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That depends on the camera body.

[@nightdonutstudio]

definitely usable for video mode start at 70mm.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Kai Liu If you don't mind a very heavy vignette and dark corners, yes.

[@nightdonutstudio]

+Dustin Abbott I mean in video mode, it is 16:9, so four corners get cropped. so even less a issue.

[@manualmind6384]

Is there any 100 mm 1.8 lens out There? (i only know The Nikon 1.4)? In this regard i think this lenses is outstanding! I would say it should bei called additionally an fullframe 80 -100 1.8, aps-h 50-100 f2.2! By the way it should be As sharp As your The tamron of Even sharper - especially at f 2.2. Could you compare this? Greetz from germany and thanks for your work Alex

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Alex, head to head the Sigma is a bit sharper than the Tamron at wide apertures, though with a bit less contrast and color saturation. I don't think that I know of a 100mm f/1.8. Canon has a 100mm f/2, which is quite a good lens.

[@manualmind6384]

Dustin Abbott thanks for your view

[@josemartinramirez1615]

Hi !!! How will look like a full frame camera whith a speed booster and a wide angle lens ??? Is that posible ??? ... and practical ??? 🍷greetings !!!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That doesn't really sound like a very practical way to use this lens. I have no idea how that would turn out.

[@sunlbx]

So, good to go on a 1.3x crop????

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I would definitely think so.

[@nicoaryawiranata7010]

Is that vignette happening to sony mirrorless full frame too?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

For sure. Full frame sensors are roughly the same size.

[@TheCoralClimb]

thanks!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Welcome!

[@markhoffman1186]

i have a 90d then got a r5 and have the 50-100 18-35 art lens for the 90d apsc and put them on the r5 and it works good i keep thinking i should get rid of the 90d but it a good camera. as a back up for the r5. The art lens on the r5 is good and works good. i shoot low light and it helps to have 1.8 and zoom as sports arenas are dark. and i need speed. but yes i would like a fast full frame lens but i have them and the cost of a ff lens is high so i will keep using untell i get a better back up camera like a r or r6. for shooting with.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'm glad you are enjoying your lenses.

[@KrongthaKhamfachuea]

I'm curious if it works with canon eos r will it crop or not. because i can use sigma 30 1.4 lens on eos r without cropping thank you

[@stephenpolwart2094]

Thanks!...useful info ))

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+stephen polwart Glad to help out.

[@jeremyspal78]

i hope sigma and tamron will make affordable tele primes

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+red jerry I guess that depends on what you define as affordable. I do expect one or both to put out a 135mm lens.

[@levitezer]

Does it work with 1.4 teleconverter? that should remove the problems on full frame and it still would be f 2.8

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I didn't try it with a TC, as I don't have the Sigma 1.4x

[@levitezer]

It is very good to know this lens works with FF at 100 mm. I have kept the 1Ds II for photographing needs, great camera still. Now planing to get it for BlacMagic Micro Camera that is 2.88 crop and have both 0.58 and 0.71 SpeedBooster so 85-170 f1.0 and 100-200 f1.2 with one lens and if I would get SpeedBooster with no lens 145-290 f1.8 and on that with 1.4 TC 200-400 f2.8. That would be pretty awsome with one lens. Would be nice to know if and how well it works with TC, maybe I will test if I get this lens and report back. The Sigma 50-100 1.8 has one very nice additional bonus, it should have smooth iris control with SpeedBooster, I just found this and tested with Canon 100 mm 2.8 Macro that is one of the supported lenses and very nice Iris control vimeo.com/228701235

[@thingsdemystified]

@@levitezer Teleconverters destroy the resolution of lenses. You might as well just crop the photo.

[@levitezer]

@@thingsdemystified In many cases not true, like when filming HD resolution, there is no room for croping due the low resolution. Anyway you miss completelly my point. With teleconverter this lens fils completelly the full frame and that makes it prety compact and good guality 70 - 140 mm f 2.8 lens for full frame. I have tested this and it is good. The only problem is that with the Canon 1.4 TC the focus works erratically :(

[@thingsdemystified]

@@levitezer In the end, true detail is all that matters. If you can get more resolution by cropping than with a teleconverter, then you should not use a teleconvertor, but if you get a higher resolution using a teleconverter, then use one.

[@jessielejanbello4476]

Looks like it will work with 1.3x crop bodies perfectly well.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Jessie Lejan Bello That is probably true, and would be intriguing there. 65-130mm would cover some very important FLs

[@kendallhenderson3017]

new this lens for full frame

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Not quite sure what your question is. This is an APS-C only lens, but as this video shows, it can be used some on full frame at certain focal lengths.

[@narasimhasujyoth]

Do you think it can beat the 50mm f1.4?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+narasimha sujyoth On a full frame or crop sensor body? It's kind of an apples to oranges comparison. One is designed for full frame, the other designed for crop.

[@narasimhasujyoth]

+Dustin Abbott both? I own a 50mm art, I was curious if this was at least close to that one.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

narasimha sujyoth I think the resolution is perhaps even better on the 50-100 (possibly)

[@MisterMaster4life]

Thnx Mr Dustin. Always really enjoy your videos. Nice website aswell by the way. Can't wait for the finale review of this lens and your respected opinion. Im not in a situation where I can test the lens so i kind of depent on online reviews. Still contemplating on this lens or the canon 70 200 2.8 isii. Both pros and cons. Usually do paid work with prime lenses but I think it's time for a good zoom. Considering you have experience with both, Any suggestions or favourites between the 2 lenses? Would be really appreciated. Anyways Thanks alot for your uploads, always enjoy them a lot. Sorry for my bookwork;) Keep it up. kind regards from Amsterdam

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+MisterMaster4life What body will you be primarily shooting on?

[@MisterMaster4life]

+Dustin Abbott Hi Mr Dustin. Thnx for the reply. Well for studio work mostly the 5dii and for outdoors and general purposes the 60d. Both mainly used for portraits. Most of my studiowork I shoot with a Zeiss Planar T 85mm 1.4. (Not the most easy lens to use with manual only but when you nail focus very good and very underrated lens!) but therefor searching for a good fast zoom lens with autofocus. I understand the canon is more versatile and can be used on both bodies and got more reach. The sigma is faster ,newer design and closer focus range. ..both really pros and cons. Was interested in your opinion regarding the 2. Thnx again:)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

MisterMaster4life I think if you plan to shoot on both bodies you should stick with the 70-200. The Sigma is only going to be useful in a very narrow range on full frame, while the 70-200 will work perfectly on both bodies.

[@MisterMaster4life]

+Dustin Abbott Thnx again for the reply. Really appreciated. Yeah i was already directed towards the tried and proved Canon but was wondering if the New Sigma would blow away the canon with stunningly sharp image quality but I guess they are both good so i'll stick with the more versatile Canon i guess. Thnx again for the time you took to read and reply my comments. Respect and greetings from Amsterdam

[@matheusbredoff9519]

Obrigado !

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

You're welcome.

[@EvulDali]

This is so nice! Perhaps sigma is going to force nikon and canon to be a bit more reasonable with their pricing and also release some APS-c lenses that are actually optically good! Whenever a new brand war comes up it is we, the customers that profit from it :)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+EvulDali It remains to be seen if this lens will be a volume seller despite its great optics. It is big, heavy, and expensive - three things that scare off a lot of average photographers. Canon and Nikon tend to focus on consumer grade variable aperture zooms that move a lot of units.

[@EvulDali]

Dustin Abbott True that. Well lets hope for the best. The market really needs high quality crop sensor optics.

[@gameshoes]

+EvulDali I've used the Sigma 18-35 Art (just sold it because I moved to full frame), Sigma 50-150 OS (trying to sell) and the Sigma 50mm Art. All stunning lenses and by the far the best lenses in terms of optical quality. Yes, they do come at reasonable price points (50mm Art is arguable), the big cost you, as the user, is paying is in weight. These are not light lenses, and if you're travelling this can become a literal pain point. Equivalent Nikkor lenses are significantly lighter at the cost of some image quality but are still fantastic. I don't regret buying these Sigma lenses, but I'm really starting to reconsider what I'm buying in the future. I personally hike, and I will tell you that the D800 and the 50mm Art is not a fun pair to have in your bag.

[@EvulDali]

gameshoes Guess it depends on how crazy you are really. I`m kinda used to draging insane ammounts of gear all over mountains :) 2 bodies...180 macro sigma 35 1.4, sigma 85 1.4..17-70...flashes diffusers. All sorts of things. But i do see your point totally. Walking for 20+ kilometers with 12kg of gear on your back can really be nasty. Still...i`m obsessed with image quality. If i go there with an `inferior` lens i`ll feel guilty for not bringing the best possible image i can in terms of print size and sharpness and whatnot...but i guess thats just me :)

[@gameshoes]

EvulDali Well, I'm a filthy casual compared to you :P I'm pretty confident though that you can easily name anyone who would break with just having a full-frame body + lens and some water. I'm not exactly a fit person either (I'll never give up my fried chicken) and I can only barely manage 3L of water, the D800, two lenses, the tripod, and a few snacks.

[@neeravchawla2920]

It's is good for Nikon D750 FX body??

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

No. It is designed for DX

[@frederickcastillo5252]

How about in Crop Mode?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Frederick Castillo Crop mode should eliminate these issues as it acts in a similar fashion to what a crop sensor camera does anyway.

[@WildcardEF]

Question for you the 5DSR has a 1.6 crop mode would this lens then act as it should ? I would think it would.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+WildcardEF I would think so, yes, but I haven't directly tested that. That might be a very interesting combination.

[@WildcardEF]

I agree. I will be heading to my local camera store to see for myself on the Wens, I have a 7D Mark II however it would be nice to see this lens work on more then one camera body. To me it would seem more worth the investment.

[@WildcardEF]

+ Dustin Abbott I went to the local store I use, and tested this theory for myself. The 5DSR did a fantastic job and I can not believe how sharp it really is. I did not buy the lens yet as I have others I want to get 1st. However the images are sharp and full of color. I do have RAW images of it from the 5DSR if you would like to view them. However they are just images I took outside. Nothing to really talk about. Mainly signs and such as the color of the signs seem to give me a good test of color, sharpness. I did also let the camera have a chance to track. Being the 5DSR is really not a camera I would use for sports, it tracked moving cars with no issues.

[@WildcardEF]

+WildcardEF I am also guessing that the 18-35 1.8 Art would also work in this manor...

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

***** I'm not surprised by this. It's a super sharp lens!

[@howardkahn717]

This lens with it's power and weight needs stabilization......Good review otherwise Dustin......It will work on a Sony full frame because the a99/2 and a99 "A" Mount models have an aps-c mode........Too bad SIGMA does not make this lens for the Sony "A" Mount, needs an adopter

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I agree on the need for stabilization.

[@howardkahn717]

@@DustinAbbottTWI Sigma DID MAKE a stabilized 50-150mm (75-225MM) f2.8 that i am told is as sharp as this 50-100mm f1.8 both for APS-C camera bodies, YOU can still buy from retail dealers who have them in stock, brand new less than $1,000.......I wonder since it is an older model if they made it to fit the "A" Mount Sony's ?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I've used the non-IS version, though it isn't nearly as sharp as the 50-100. Those lenses are both also F2.8, not F1.8. That's 1 1/3 stop difference...pretty significant.

[@brianminkc]

So let me get this straight.. instead of taking some sample portrait photo's... you stuck this on a full frame camera. I see. I guess I am going to have to rent this son of a bitch and do it myself.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+brianminkc With all due respect, I don't remember signing the contract to work for you. My full review (which includes portrait work) is coming next week. This video segment is exactly about what the title says - nothing else. I did this segment out of requests from many people to do so.

[@50450720]

Modern FF cameras allow you to select apsc or s35 mode, so I fail to see the relevance of most of your comments

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's simply untrue when it comes to the cameras that this lens comes in a native lens mount for. It's true on mirrorless cameras, but this lens is sold exclusively in mounts for DSLRs.

[@50450720]

@@DustinAbbottTWI then you need to stipulate that this is a review for dslr owners with no ability to crop in camera. To be fare, Maybe an update of your video is required as the info is no longer relevant. This lense is very poular on the gh5 and Panasonic’s s range of cameras, where it performs excellently with no vignetting. (All be it with an adapter). And also on many mirrorless bodies with native EF mounts like canons pro c range c70, c300 to name but 2. And Blackmagic 6k etc

[@swaniketchowdhury]

love the music.. can i download it?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Swaniket Chowdhury Not right now. I've made it exclusively for my videos.

[@swaniketchowdhury]

:/

[@KonicaHexanon]

Shame on Sigma for making it APS-C lens only.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Making this lens for full frame would be a monumental challenge and would result in a huge lens!

[@KonicaHexanon]

I don't think so, as it already almost cover FF sensor physically. It certainly covers 1.3 crop sensor already I suppose.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Ivan Kutsarov Trust me, if Sigma could have easily made this a full frame lens, they would have. By the way, it isn't really close to covering a FF sensor. It only barely covers it over the last 15mm, and that with extremely heavy vignette that would be very unacceptable on a lens made for FF.

[@thingsdemystified]

@@KonicaHexanon Take a look at the 105mm F1.4. It uses 105mm filters! If they were to make a full frame equivalent zoom, it would weigh 10 lbs! Just because it already covers most of the frame doesn't mean it covers it acceptably. It may have horrendous resolution in the corners. You have to scale up the lens and overbuild it so that the corners have acceptable sharpness. Just producing light in the corners is not enough.

[@zriley7995]

out of foucs

[@howardkahn717]

No VR----no good........if they made it for Sony or pentak ok,....Fumfie .com sells it for 939 dollars

[@andreika6681]

it's a heavy lens, doen't shake that much if you hold it in a palm. i've got mine for 500€ used in mint cond, works fine with d7200 and with df (90-100mm). i can compare it with 70-200 vr, never needed for subjects moving in front of the lens within 2-5 meters... and for more distant things you'd rarely need f1.8... i think it is mostly portrait lens for dx...

[@Arkarcm85]

Hello, I have 50-100 f 1.8 lens and a7III too. Should I buy metabones speedbooster EF to E mount version II? According to this youtube, kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpLcomdnnstle8U He said, without cropping (super 35 mode), this sigma 50-100 mm f 1.8 magically transformed into full frame sigma 50-100 f 1.4 lens with speedbooster. Is it possible? coz all i know about speedbooster is full frame lens to APSC/ m43 or APSC lens to m43.. but this is reverse... APSC lens for full frame sensor without cropping... ??? I really need helps.. but found no one testing except this one.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It should work something like that. I've seen some lenses perform better than others via a speedbooster. I haven't tested this combination, though.

[@Okay_Okay123]

nice bokeh

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+huho gogo It is quite nice!