"He clearly can't deal with people telling him no, but he swears he's a free thinker" is not only a perfect way to describe Kanye but also a majority of his defenders
@TotallyNotKanye11 ай бұрын
But what the correlation
@feykingjulian11 ай бұрын
@@TotallyNotKanyei think the idea here is that part of being a free thinker includes having a mind open enough to genuinely consider other possibilities. on the one hand, if you can't stick to your own convictions and go against the grain you're definitely not a free thinker. but on the other hand, refusing to listen to other's inputs or perspective and always convincing yourself that you're right, or only listening to people who yes man you, you also can't be a free thinker because you're still trapping yourself in such a limited perspective. ideally you can actually take other people's inputs and evolve your own perspective/ideas further from that.
@TotallyNotKanye11 ай бұрын
@@feykingjulian good take.
@shadowaccount11 ай бұрын
Classic narcissistic traits
@w花b10 ай бұрын
@@feykingjulianno being willing to question your opinion isn't being a free thinker either because you're a prisoner of yourself.
@drjekelmrhyde11 ай бұрын
Everybody in Chicago knew about R. Kelly and his BS, but no one ever spoke on it. People were literally selling the bootlegs of it at every street corner.
@LetterNumber11 ай бұрын
The way people treated the R. Kelly tape like it was just some sex tape... I remember listening to morning radio DJs in the 2000s boasting that they saw the tape like it wasn't literal exploitation
@jazwhoaskedforthis11 ай бұрын
It's insane to me that people were just openly watching literal CP and distributing it, like she wasn't even a human being.
@geekylove360311 ай бұрын
Better not listen to Death Certificate by Cube or Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB. Or about 100 other LPs from artists ranging from Zeppelin to Bowie. The content of the music and the content is of the characters would have some of you in a tizz. Me personally, I am happy to listen to the music.
@socialistbatman11 ай бұрын
@@geekylove3603 congratulations on being happy for not having morals
@AxeMan80811 ай бұрын
@@geekylove3603 You're still comparing oranges and dying of ebola. With your copy/pasta .
@PharadayCage11 ай бұрын
“2013, so a decade ago now” THAT IS FOUL, YOU TAKE THAT BACK
@ellakaari947911 ай бұрын
I threw up a little bit when he said that
@fordesponja11 ай бұрын
First time?
@mollusckscramp412411 ай бұрын
Lol you're old
@PharadayCage11 ай бұрын
@@mollusckscramp4124 look as good as I do when you’re 900 years old…
@lordfizzz11 ай бұрын
Nahhh I refuse to admit it 😭
@jaden_shah11 ай бұрын
Art is based on context. I don’t think the artist needs to be a moral exemplar to appreciate their work, but as always, we have to remain conscious and educated. We can’t pretend art lives separate from reality.
@breem299911 ай бұрын
Perfectly put.
@midnighter2k11 ай бұрын
But judging art based on the life and actions of the artist even when those actions are not used as text or sub text in the artist work is pure moral grandstanding. I consider this usually a cultural trope from the USA, obssesing over being one of the good guys.
@shadowaccount11 ай бұрын
I think it transcends reality
@GenerationNextNextNext11 ай бұрын
@@midnighter2k This isn't just a USA thing. In South Korea, Kpop idols' work is usually stripped from airwaves and cease promotion as soon as the idol loses favor morally and socially. So it happens in other countries, too. It's just what is considered unacceptable socially and morally varies according to culture, and the USA is the loudest because the world is more aware of what's going on in the country due to their forced western influence through media. People also should be able to analyze whether the art is connected to the artist possibly in ways initially unseen, and whether it fits in with their worldview and lifestyle.
@midnighter2k11 ай бұрын
@GenerationNextNextNext I am not saying that USA is the only one that can cancels artist. Any public figure is one slip away from being critized. That's why they have publicists and media managers. But the USA people are more obsessed with moraly grandstanding and not wanting to be associated with people with "moraly reprehensible behavior." It's true, free speech is not free of consequences. But in the USA there are people celebrating their moral superiority of not consuming art from a problematic dead dude.
@therealchristoph1511 ай бұрын
while we're here: Chris Brown beat the absolute hell out of Rihanna and didn't really change as a person since and it bothers me that generally no one has cared.
@JME11869 ай бұрын
If you really think about it though, and not even think all that much because he constantly whines about it, Chris’ career never recovered in the context of where he was and where he was otherwise headed. He was more than a household name, he was an undisputed icon from the generation in that music genre. He went from that to just an R&B artist, a megastar to an extent but mostly only amongst his core supporters. The casual fans and people who just liked a couple songs did not support him to the same extent after and he now whines online about being overlooked for awards, recognition, and stature in the industry. That says everything right there, especially when you add in that he always throws in his two cents whenever there’s a domestic abuse allegation concerning an entertainer 🤷♂️. He regrets losing all the buzz he lost but he still doesn’t regret his actual behavior nor the toxicity behind it, and for that he’ll forever remain an afterthought to those of us not tied to the notion he can do no wrong because he dances and sings well.
@TylerG138 ай бұрын
Not only does no one care, he literally has repeated that behavior over and over again and his entire fanbase just goes “nuh uh, no he hasn’t.” You can look up Brown’s entire history of violence with women, it’s out there and easy to find.
@Dell-ol6hb8 ай бұрын
@@JME1186 I see your point but I think his decline in popularity also just has to do with more artists taking up his niche in the genre and doing it better than him so when combined with his violent abuse the industry just moved more away from him, but not completely of course he’s still doing fine but not as well as he was before
@Joshisbrown7 ай бұрын
He was 19 years old and very apologetic, you need to let it go. Plus she not a angel in that situation too
@inqui5ition7 ай бұрын
@@Joshisbrown what is wrong with you
@Gordon.Pinkerton11 ай бұрын
I can usually separate the art from the artist, but I can't be listening to R Kelly singing love songs when I know he's thinking about teenage girls he abused while singing those songs.
@niyaakbar109810 ай бұрын
Rkelly is the one that really gets me the most. Because most of these people will acknowledge he’s not into adult women so they know these songs are about abused children and they have sex to these songs. Like it’s insane to me
@bennichol15108 ай бұрын
@niyaakbar1098 my mind's telling me nooo! Yeah I can't listen to that song the same way after that
@ryancurley23514 ай бұрын
You can’t find a playlist I made back when I first started listening to pop punk that didn’t have Rooftops by Lostprophets. Then I found out the actions of frontman Ian Watkins. I have never been more disgusted by the actions of one man before. The song itself has nothing to do with Watkins’ actions (R. Kelly singing love songs while being a pedophile) and is extremely catchy but I cannot bring myself to ever listen to that song again.
@nothf11 ай бұрын
Here's the thing about separating the artist from the art - it's real easy if the artist is dead. At that point, the harm they can do is done. Living people? Their art, especially commercial art, exists in the same context where they're actively out there doing the harmful shit, maybe using support of their art as an excuse for getting to continue the harmful shit. I think there's more of a convo there.
@Thraeryn11 ай бұрын
Agreed! That divide between past, finished harm and potential continuing harm is significant. A number of Marilyn Manson's initial albums spoke to my young, "warlike autistic" self DIRECTLY when they came out; now, today, I'm mad I gave that drugged-up, abusive asshole my "back then" money-while feeling the absence of that connection to my past self. I'm still a hand grenade that never stopped exploding, tho.
@SavageGreywolf11 ай бұрын
It's not always the case that the harm an artist can do is finished after their passing. There is racist music from the past that continues to find an audience today, there are portrayals of antisemitic lies in books and plays, there is art that is propaganda, like _Atlas Shrugged._
@thatunicornhastheaudacity11 ай бұрын
@@SavageGreywolfmy thoughts exactly.
@alwaysxnever11 ай бұрын
Absolutely perfectly stated.
@EwMatias11 ай бұрын
@@SavageGreywolfWhen the harm is in the art itself, you get into the territory the video talks about.
@JudikJ711 ай бұрын
The problem with artist vs individual is that both have the same bank account. That’s mostly why I have a hard time with the seperation between the art and the artist.
@Fanrose247511 ай бұрын
Piracy!
@InTheMindOfJasmyn11 ай бұрын
exactly!
@jessicarichter643611 ай бұрын
Thank you! I said the same thing. Finically supporting them by buying their art is financing their evil deeds.
@Cdr200211 ай бұрын
Proven time and again with JK Rowling in addition to Kanye
@dahliaherrod430111 ай бұрын
I have a cousin who's in music and he broke down music distribution to me. Understand that when you spend money on music, it doesn't just go into the hands of the artist but the entire team who helped to create that song. I make it a general rule not to punish everyone for the work of one. Plus, if I stay logically consistent then I'd never be able to listen to anything since I don't know anyone but Christ who I agree with 100%.
@CLaw-tb5gg11 ай бұрын
I think there's kind of the Michael Jackson factor going on with Kanye. By which I mean, Michael clearly didn't like the way he looked, but if he'd been broke he'd have just had to live with it and maybe have ended up dealing with it in a healthier way, but the fact he had huge amounts of disposable income meant he was never forced to come to terms with it and could indulge his craziness more and more and get sicker and sicker. I feel like the same thing has happened with Kanye. Yeah normal bipolar people don't do this shit, but normal bipolar people simply don't have the resources to entirely surround themselves with yes-men 24/7 and banish anyone who breathes wrong and do what they want all day every day and basically seal themselves off in this little crazy bubble. So money has allowed him to get crazy to a level that regular people just can't.
@FrancoisDressler11 ай бұрын
This is it.
@AzahraShayla11 ай бұрын
I agree with every single word you just said!
@sedi206611 ай бұрын
@@FrancoisDressleri see what you did there
@megan-mr9vk3 ай бұрын
i’ve been saying this for a WHILE. a big aspect of mania is delusions of grandeur, meaning that you feel invincible or god-like. usually, that delusion is entirely internal. for kanye, he can open twitter and see hoards of people, from a 14 year old suburban kid to the greatest musicians call him one of the GOATs. he’s influenced basically every artist of the past decade. people literally call him god. they voted for him to be president. how is he expected to stay grounded in reality when his delusions are being validated constantly? not to mention the mental instability must be a source of creativity for him. what is the incentive to get better?
@tonydelamancha551311 ай бұрын
separating art from the artist is a luxury. Just like. being "apolitical". when the artist is causing real harm (see Rowling....) them we gotta step back.
@flazeda874311 ай бұрын
You can condemn the actions while loving the art from one same person tho. It's not adversarial itself or necessarily used as a cover up so no it's not a luxury. If you fake not having an opinion about the actions and claims to only care about the art then yes it's luxury you take to avoid the real talk.
@lukedoesbutter6 ай бұрын
Yeah especially when said artist disparages the whole community you're a part of. Good point
@lenbonbsides5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU. People are so apathetic on this point. "Eh, the music sounds good, so I can tune out the other stuff." Laziness and ignorance.
@JohnBainbridge011 ай бұрын
Benoit Blanc: "It's just so dumb." Birdie Jay: (gasp!) "It's so dumb it's brilliant!" Benoit: "NO! It's just dumb!"
@alexanderguerrero34711 ай бұрын
To be fair if only Benoit figured it out and no one else it was a ballsy plan that kind of worked
@matgonzalez627211 ай бұрын
@@alexanderguerrero347 The problem there is Benoit Blanc is in a room full of idiots and an opportunist taking advantage of them after having used them in the first place.
@trymikefirst11 ай бұрын
miles bronye
@VyctoriaBrooks11 ай бұрын
@@alexanderguerrero347but the point of the scene was that anyone could have figured it out , Blanc was the only one to admit it.
@sawsawsuka11 ай бұрын
@@alexanderguerrero347i mean tbf in that movie the whole thing is that they were all stupidly enamored with miles and listened to everything he said, except for benoit and helen who actually recognized him to be an idiot
@entroponetics11 ай бұрын
Some advice I wish all artists would live by is, "don't record your midlife crisis", but this dude has been going through a midlife crisis for over a decade.
@Biglax11 ай бұрын
what about Because the internet
@entroponetics11 ай бұрын
@@Biglax 29 is not midlife. That's just a dude going through some shit.
@Biglax11 ай бұрын
@@entroponetics its good to record during important things happening in your life. that gives for more soulful and honest lyricism.
@happygucci509411 ай бұрын
Someone cc Drake into the chat…
@onlinestonedogii11 ай бұрын
It’s kinda difficult to separate art from the artist when he’s got antisemitic bars on the songs. In Kanye’s case, it’s not just the context surrounding the art itself that is bigoted, it’s the text itself.
@ginxxxxx11 ай бұрын
its all of nothing...i dont like anything so it is nothing for you, and the whole world. you going to challenge me?
@evanwilliams382111 ай бұрын
I guess it works for older Kanye songs but it doesn’t really work for vultures
@mehemynxm697411 ай бұрын
@@ginxxxxxWhat?
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
Well, that sounds like a choice😂
@DrewbattleTheGreat11 ай бұрын
I didn’t hear any bars were anti semitic.
@manic_girl11 ай бұрын
As a bipolar person, I say this every time someone brings up Kanye: I have no sympathy for bipolar people who have access to every mental health resource but refuse to use them. Without insurance, my therapy and psychiatry appointments are several hundred dollars a month and my meds would be almost a thousand. Kanye is one of the incredibly privileged people that could afford treatment in our broken healthcare system. When I was first diagnosed I was non-compliant with taking meds but after several years going off the deep end, I realized that I needed them to be stable. Kanye is in his 40s. You can tell he is severely detached from reality and everyone around him is enabling him. I also can’t believe this is the same man who wrote Diamonds from Sierra Leone.
@ifgodwasapig11 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree with you, we shouldn't condemn people for having mental health struggles but at some point you need to see how it affects your life and the people around you.
@Pinkclouds51211 ай бұрын
Every point you mentioned I agree with. I sacrifice a lot to be able to pay for my mental health care. He had a loving and supportive family and nothing but money now. Despite the enablers, he could have gotten help years ago.
@Ishbikes11 ай бұрын
Kanye’s still a genius!
@moodyinformed11 ай бұрын
@@Ishbikesdude huh? hello?
@susanrichardson63110 ай бұрын
If you are severely mentally ill and you have a bunch of people around you telling you that you're okay. And you are as far gone as Kanye is, you're going to believe them. At this point the only way Kanye will ever get well is to get away from those people. And right now these people are feeding his ego and his delusions way too much for that to happen.
@Aj_Ohtani11 ай бұрын
A wrestling podcaster I listen to said it’s hard to separate the art from the artist when the art is informed and influenced by the things the artist is being judged for
@karitaskristel912 ай бұрын
which one?(: thank you
@Aj_Ohtani2 ай бұрын
@ going in raw, they have short form channels called wrestle juice and friendo club tv💯
@christineherrmann20511 ай бұрын
My most poignant can't separate art from artist moment remains Cosby. I'm in the generation that adored Cosby; I still have his skits memorized in my head. But I don't quote them and I'll never listen to them again. Because SA with drugs of dozens of women is Right Out. Now I think back on a few of those skits and I think "Yeah, the dentist sketch was hysterical, but he liked to joke an awful lot about being sorta harsh to his kids. Maybe I shoulda seen it back then."
@JenSell162611 ай бұрын
I want the version of A Different World the great Debbie Allen envisioned where Denise has a baby and juggles motherhood and college 😔 I also liked Marisa Tomei and a lot of work addressing ⚪️ feminism could have been done with her character and we could have moved the ball a decade forward.
@donalddarko580711 ай бұрын
Can't forget that episode where Cosby had a "Special BBQ sauce" that was definitely laced with drugs
@geekylove360311 ай бұрын
Better not listen to Death Certificate by Cube or Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB. Or about 100 other LPs from artists ranging from Zeppelin to Bowie. The content of the music and the content is of the characters would have some of you in a tizz. Me personally, I am happy to listen to the music.
@Robstafarian11 ай бұрын
@@JenSell1626 I allowed myself to go back to A Different World last year, relative to dropping Cosby, and the wasted potential of that cast (and presumably crew) was worse than I remembered.
@TUBOSCHIFOSO11 ай бұрын
worst part about cosby was the hypocrisy
@MahouSoju11 ай бұрын
I used to be a huge Staind fan as a kid, their music really helped me through some hard times and helped me process some stuff about my parents. But now he’s out here questioning my right to exist and talking like the very father I hate. I think you should never separate the art from the artist because no matter how they helped you in the past, the harm they do now is far more substantial.
@plaidchuck11 ай бұрын
Eh looking back at all the suburban white guy angst from nu metal it's not very suprising what happened to those types of bands. I mean who did we think all those jenko wearing juggalos would become in their 40s and 50s?
@MayorOfEarth7911 ай бұрын
@@plaidchuck Maybe Juggalo is not the right word considering what the ICP tries to do with their community and fanbase, making the Juggalos are more positive being. Somebody like Kid Rock on the other hand was always a vulture, whose pivoted from genre from genre to where could be the most successful and now has made his brand about satisfying himself through the patriotic lens.
@RevShifty11 ай бұрын
I straight up won't separate the at from the artist. I don't really do nostalgia, though, so I might just be wired weird. But I don't care how much I might've enjoyed to work of someone, if it turns out they're terrible people then I'm immediately done with them. Full stop. I try treating my time and attention like valuable resources, like I feel most people should. And if it comes out that someone I enjoy is secretly terrible, I'm not giving them any time or attention at all. They're just clearly not worth it to me.
@BroJo67611 ай бұрын
What did he do and say to hurt you?
@Burgercat5511 ай бұрын
@@RevShiftyAgreed
@prettyboyswagger11 ай бұрын
Shout out rhymefest for not just being another yes man
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
Yeah, exactly. That's kinda where I'm at with it. Although Ye is better creatively now than he was. The shenanigans are just getting tired tho.
@konLVdon11 ай бұрын
yeah, but I think his reasoning is dumb. the bleach line actually contrasts the humanity and vanity and introduces the duality of TLOP on a gospel track
@fluidthought4211 ай бұрын
@@konLVdon Nah.
@Mochafairiemonster11 ай бұрын
I wonder if Kanye and Ms Miraj are two sides of the same coin…
@geekylove360311 ай бұрын
Better not listen to Death Certificate by Cube or Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB. Or about 100 other LPs from artists ranging from Zeppelin to Bowie. The content of the music and the content is of the characters would have some of you in a tizz. Me personally, I am happy to listen to the music.
@spantigre319011 ай бұрын
You can't forget the artist. Art is media, and media always has a message. It is always made for a reason and those reasons matter.
you can only truly seperate the art from the artist when theyre not actively using that support to enable theyre terrible behavior.
@Cdr200211 ай бұрын
Exactly. The “45% of all art” argument, much as I love FD, doesn’t work because most of those problematic artists are dead and cannot cause further harm.
@Dave10269311 ай бұрын
@@Cdr2002nah a lot more are alive, you just don’t know about yet
@midnighter2k11 ай бұрын
So by that logic you could buy a Hitler's painting during the 3rd reich from a 3rd person and you will be golden. Nobody could judge you. Same way you could get a Gacy painting from when he was in prison, he wasn't using what he earned from that for anything, he was already in prison. Don't worry i believe in separating the art from the artist with much less arbitrary rules. So keep it up, you are getting there, just put more effort and intellect into it. Your generation seems to need more people with the criticla thinking skills to separate art from the artist.
@Irrelevant665 ай бұрын
@@midnighter2kway to go, you’ve said nothing and were condescending the whole time.
@pixelbomb9711 ай бұрын
I remember the house republicans Twitter making a tweet that said "Kanye. Elon. Trump." And they were honestly 100% correct with that comparison. These are all just dumb guys that convinced a ton of other dumb guys that they are geniuses because they have a lot of money. In a conservative mindset, having money means you are smart and strong enough to get that money. So any bad takes or dumb things that these idiots do, the fans insist that they are just executing some elaborate plan that no one else could've thought of or done.
@JoshuaAmericana11 ай бұрын
really well said, and you can see the patterns and similarities of all their supporters
@armagedd0nn69411 ай бұрын
sure theyre not groundbreaking geniuses but to say they are dumb is insane and completely reductionist and shows a lack of critical thinking from you. if you represent liberal/left-field ideologies please dont represent them publicly as im sure you would give them a bad name of ignorance. though im not a republican.
@haterrxhaterr11 ай бұрын
The difference is that Kanye at one point wasn’t a complete dumbass and WAS a genius, elon and trump on the other hand were never even smart to begin with
@angel_of_rust11 ай бұрын
it's weird to call Trump dumb when Biden exists.
@Ricardo5049311 ай бұрын
@@angel_of_rust Its weird that you think both can't be true at the same time.
@OpenPodBayDoor11 ай бұрын
i had never heard that rhymefest description of kanye but its basically the most concise description of what made prime kanye so great
@fluidthought4211 ай бұрын
It was a sweet balance of aiming for the stars and being self-aware, of bravado and vulnerability. Now it's so much bravado that it makes him look even weaker and faker. It's like Drake, except Drake is admittedly more consistently mid while Kanye has the potential for better in him.
@burgermind80211 ай бұрын
i didn't know how essential he was to writing Kanye's greatest songs: Some of the songs he has co-written with Kanye include: - "Jesus Walks" - "New Slaves" - "Black Skinhead" - "All Falls Down" - "All Day" - "All Mine" - "All of the Lights" - "Blood on the Leaves" - "Bound 2" - "Champion" - "Clique" - "Famous" - "Feedback" - "Gorgeous" - "No More Parties in LA" - "Wash Us in the Blood" This is not an exhaustive list, but it includes some of the notable songs co-written by Rhymefest
@TheSkaOreo11 ай бұрын
@@burgermind802oh wow All Falls Down. Seriously if you want a night and day, pick that song and like anything Kanye has done in the last 10 years.
@wt755311 ай бұрын
100% facts on connecting Kanye to a specific time. I listened to College Dropout 3-5 times a day while finishing my dissertation. Late Registration came out my first week as a professor. My career progressed as his did. But I matured and he didn’t.
@houragents549011 ай бұрын
Ye evolved
@moodyinformed11 ай бұрын
@@houragents5490you forgot to add the "d" before "evolved"
@AngeBiampandou10 ай бұрын
@@houragents5490For the worst. He regressed
@owabowa3 ай бұрын
@@houragents5490your comment history is like you have OCD but your only compulsion is to be braindead
@davidlaush18011 ай бұрын
I used to think I could separate the art from the artist themself, but it always gnawed at my soul that I was still listening to people and technically giving them money. Then I realized I can always find other artists in the same genre who, at the very least, don't spout hateful rhetoric and still make good music. At the same time I can hope from afar that the person I stopped listening to will have some long conversations over their beliefs and/or learn from their actions.
@Blutzen11 ай бұрын
See, that's where I'm at too, there are no artists that are _so_ much better than everybody else that I can't just... replace them with non-bigoted people. JK Rowling is horribly anti-trans, so Harry Potter is out and a million other magical fantasy series by authors just as good (and better than!) her are in. (Basically) Every band that ever played Warped Tour has had shit come out about them fucking with minors on tour, so they're all out and new indies are in. It ain't that hard.
@Burgercat5511 ай бұрын
@davidlaush180 huge agree !!! I always hated when people said separate the art from the artist because regardless If your listening to their music, commissioning them, buying merchandise, constantly talking about them and recommending them to friends your still supporting the artist at the end of the day. I wish people would just be like "yeah I know he's a shitty person, but I like the music, so 🤷♀️" then jump through these kinds of hoops
@AxeMan80811 ай бұрын
Yeah there's too many options for media now to lock yourself into something you feel bad about. Not just Kanye. I mean TV, Games, Movies, Music, hell shoes.
@davidlaush18011 ай бұрын
@@AxeMan808 I sense some baggage with that shoes inclusion. Do you mind sharing?
@AxeMan80811 ай бұрын
@@davidlaush180 Oh just Kanye's awful awful shoes, and Trump just dropped some awful awful shoes.
@ssscout11 ай бұрын
there's a slight but constant buzzing/ringing noise with your microphone, just wanted to point it out in case no one else has 🤝
@jessicarichter643611 ай бұрын
Man now you said it that’s all I can hear
@ssscout11 ай бұрын
i'm sorry lol - i thought my headset was bugging at first@@jessicarichter6436
@killerdevil98011 ай бұрын
I know now from the audio bug that FD reads the first comments so if you see this just know you’re an inspiration
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
Is my guy rocking a TOOL shirt on the low?🤣
@2120musiclover11 ай бұрын
@@ReshonBryanthe’s a tool fan; he’s pretty open about it. And used their music for a recent video too
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
@@2120musiclover good job chief👏🏽
@thing_under_the_stairs11 ай бұрын
@@ReshonBryant I was wondering that too! Good stuff!
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
@@thing_under_the_stairs I know he said he's a Slipknot fan. I'm not too surprised about the love for TOOL. He doesn't exactly fit the description. Most Black dudes into alternative are going to look a certain way. Many of times alternative people are gonna be very goth or punk rock in appearance. For instance I'll see most Blacks rocking a very clean Nirvana shirt with designer jeans and some J's🤣
@AfroThunda99911 ай бұрын
Kanye has some of the wildest bars. He said "You can live through anything if magic made it" 😭
@Anonymous.Throne11 ай бұрын
LMAOOOOO
@editorbuck11 ай бұрын
40 million deaths from HIV going -- wait, what? If I was magic Johnson this wouldn't have been a thing?
@Lucifersfursona11 ай бұрын
This is unironically consistent with things I’ve seen colonial apologists say
@hypocriticalsatire396611 ай бұрын
That old Graduation song? Pretty sure it was Magic Johnson surviving HIV being referenced
@hypocriticalsatire396611 ай бұрын
@@Lucifersfursona Magic Johnson surviving HIV not that deep
@camelusdromedarius378911 ай бұрын
This has been a big point of discussion in the metal underground for a long time now. In the mid to late 80s, there was a prominent black metal group called Mayhem. The group had a series of controversies, but one of the major ones was one of the members murdering another member. That murderer (also antisemite), Varg Vikernes, went on to create some of the most foundationally influential black metal from prison. In his wake, a subsect of fascist/neo-Nazi/WS black metal has grown, with an actively anti-fascist movement to counter them. While most people agree Varg is a terrible person and the world would be better off without him, the metal community has remained split on whether or not to separate the art from the artist, with many saying yes and many saying no. I personally see all art as autobiographical in nature, at least to some degree, and I'm not willing to enable a hateful person by supporting their art. Edit: Varg Vikernes created his music not from prison, but prior to the murder and his subsequent imprisonment. Thanks to @whym6438 for the correction.
@LoyaltotheNightsky11 ай бұрын
Angry Metal Guy has a great article on this whole dilemma that goes into the actual statistics of how supporting these types of bands causes real world harm to certain groups.
@whym643811 ай бұрын
Small correction: all of Varg's most influential work happened before he went to prison, where he wasn't allowed to have a guitar.
@AxeMan80811 ай бұрын
You are facing the "One Nazi In The Bar" scenario. You have to immediately expel that one semi-reasonable Nazi or he brings his Nazi friends, and your bar becomes a Nazi bar over time. This is what happened to your death metal. You kept letting the Nazi do his thing in your genre, and now it's his genre. EDIT: For my part. I've always thought of Kanye as a decent journeyman producer who broke his jaw and decided to rap and one of his friends said "HAHAHAH Yeah you sound great rapping right now HAHAHAH!" And Kanye said "Yes. I *AM* the best rapper ever, you're right!" My favorite Kanye track is the version of "Classic" on youtube that removed his verse entirely. THE FUCK WAS HE ON THAT TRACK WITH THOSE MURDERERS ANYWAY!?!? P! That P just popped up somehow, but I did mention lyrical murderers.
@dirtbag540811 ай бұрын
Righteous. I wholeheartedly agree.
@DecemberDaydreams11 ай бұрын
o.o
@nicoles316611 ай бұрын
i like what picasso says about art, “The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls.” which is why i personally don’t find separating the art from the artist to be all that helpful in understanding and connecting to a piece. i think art is an escape and depending on who/ what they escape to definitely shapes my view of an artist and their art.
@deborahsauce91986 ай бұрын
I disagree, art often especially within hip hop is a what to work through the struggles of daily life. A lot of the time art critiques daily life. I guess it depends on what you use art for. But it means something that no artist expressed themselves in the same way. Who we are and the way we view and interact with the world will always be reflected in our art. Its subconscious. So there is no separating the art from the artist. If you want to consume art made by a shitty person just do it. Theres no point in making up lame justifications or some impossible frame work just so you can be comfortable. It’s okay to have a favorite song and still be able to give valid critiques to the person who made it.
@Black_Guy11 ай бұрын
Kanye's career is like a Greek tragedy. The same pride that helped him gain success has resulted in his destruction. When you listen to the music and watch the man, it's clear in both cases that Kanye has lost his soul.
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
And his sanity..
@willkersey734011 ай бұрын
Unc annihilated the thumbnail game with this one
@aronistak815611 ай бұрын
It’s hella hard for me to listen to Kanye now. A lot of my friends listen to him pretty effortlessly, but when I listen to him all I hear is a man who is slowly and slowly becoming crazier and crazier. The fact that somebody like Kanye, who used to stand up against homophobia can effortlessly say he is inspired by Hitler is insane. Man even now with Dave Chappelle’s weird transphobic jokes it feels like everybody isn’t the saint they used to be.
@jjjjjjaylon11 ай бұрын
You’re a moral warrior. Get over yourself.
@TheAngryBeard11 ай бұрын
@@jjjjjjaylon what's that make you, a keyboard warrior? this the youtube comments section man, I understand you CAN but why you feel like you GOTTA lash out at people just saying their piece?
@jjjjjjaylon11 ай бұрын
@@TheAngryBeard bro Kanye is allowed to have an opinion. Even if it’s one that’s not align with yours or most other people. The thing is with people like you the commenter and FD is that they don’t give his opinions any context and just write him off as crazy. I do think Kanye likes to be controversial however I don’t think he’s crazy. Despite the things he’s said about Hitler Slavery or whatever he’s very much still in support of black lives and is fighting for black lives right now. Nobody talks about the many positive things he’s done for Chicago or the many black artist that he’s opened doors for and birthed entire multi million dollar careers in fashion and music. Who’s FD to even comment on art ? He doesn’t understand art on a basic level. He’s a teacher who blatantly doesn’t provide context to some of the points he makes in his videos. Like I said don’t be a moral monster. Not listening to Kanye but listening to actual murders is stupid. All because he thinks Jewish people shouldn’t own black rights.
@jazwhoaskedforthis11 ай бұрын
RIGHT. I thought Kanye was a fckn champ for just calling the president out during Katrina, too, but now he's just fully unhinged and it makes anything cool he ever did feel a little deflated. Chappelle also felt like he could run circles around racists but he's just found his own old-man bigotry to settle into now.
@differentbutsimilar789311 ай бұрын
@@jjjjjjaylon You're a keyboard warrior. Get over yourself.
@Zunesblow11 ай бұрын
I think Kanye West is just an extremely talented musician and a contrarian at his core. Which makes him stand out from the masses and makes him seem more forward thinking than he actually is. When in reality he's not really thinking just acting on impulse. He shares a lot of the same qualities as Lou Reed (who unsurprisingly was a Kanye West fan)
@MsMizz111 ай бұрын
This!!!
@Starfish-kx3du11 ай бұрын
I disagree, Kanye music was never anything to write home about, he was average at best.
@culwin11 ай бұрын
"Extremely talented" is quite the stretch.
@REXae8611 ай бұрын
@@Starfish-kx3ducry
@blodiaaa699011 ай бұрын
@@Starfish-kx3du Lies
@williamgeorge258011 ай бұрын
Separating art from the artist is always about you and what you'll turn a blind eye to just to maintain your pleasures.
@jj.jackie11 ай бұрын
THIS !!!!
@stinky133111 ай бұрын
you pointed out succinctly what the true reality is in regards to this complex topic. everything does depend on you and the artist, your pleasures and what the artist has done. there’s also a point of lack of information, you won’t always know everything the artist has done.
@jerriandfriends11 ай бұрын
This is so perfect! Especially as an artist, I find it so fascinating when people want to “separate the art”, knowing full well I am bringing my *full self* to my art. And any statements suggesting otherwise feels like willful ignorance
@lenbonbsides5 ай бұрын
@@jerriandfriends100% cosign it's always non artists talking about art v artist. they are one and the same.
@rapisland946411 ай бұрын
Yo, being a hiphop fan from Chicago and it sound like we are around the same age of 30ish, thank you. I was a huge Kanye fan who fell off after the life of Pablo. If you listen to Kanye over the years, everything he has ever said he was gonna do, He did, even if ppl thought he was crazy. He made his own reality and I think that’s why us as millennials loved him but I don’t think it made him happy like he thought. We are starting to see that and I just hope he doesn’t crash out until the point of no return. I hope his mini me, North can help him see another purpose to focus on fr so he won’t. Thanks for your perspective I still gotta check out vultures to form my own opinion about the album.
@Procanin11 ай бұрын
Leave ideology aside and you will realize he never fell off. He is not as consistent as College dropout, Late reg, MBDTF Kanye but many gems in his recent catalog and still groundbreaking with the neo-gospel productions and others. 20+ years later and he is still innovative and relevant musically.
@IMNAMLSS11 ай бұрын
I learned from the last time to watch immediately
@SLATTERDAY11 ай бұрын
Bruh KZbin hit (6lack) folks w takedowns quicker than mma
@dumpsta-divrr36511 ай бұрын
What got removed?
@jessicab33111 ай бұрын
Same!!!
@DeathUnseen11 ай бұрын
separating art from the artist makes more sense when the artist isnt alive, and still not only benefiting from their work, and also actively using that benefit (money, power, or influence) on doing real harm in the world. but for people like kanye and JK, like... cmon. XD
@ExistenceUniversity11 ай бұрын
You should NEVER separate an artist from their art!!! People!! For F--ksakes the expression is "Separate the Man from his Arguments" because a crazy person can still make logical arguments so you need to make sure the words are correct even if the speaker is a weirdo. Art is an expression of the artists soul and where it fits into the world. You cannot separate the artist from the art. That's wrong!!!
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
@@ExistenceUniversity nah a bad person can still make good art too it's basically the same thing with a crazy person making a logical argument..
@ExistenceUniversity11 ай бұрын
@@afrosamourai400 No. Just no.
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
@@ExistenceUniversity why no? Can't a bad person make good art?
@ExistenceUniversity11 ай бұрын
@@afrosamourai400 Because art is the expression of the soul of an artist and how he views the world. So either they are not producing art but rather a consumer product, or they have bad art. Name someone as opposed to abstract hopes that you are right
@getdrippy441611 ай бұрын
It's hard for me to separate art from artists, as an artist myself. I love all your talking points. Channel is important, these thoughts and messages are important.
@Rjackw11 ай бұрын
Kanye on Vultures, is basically saying "You tried to take me down, I don't give a fuck, you still show me in the media and I do what I please"
@ldking513211 ай бұрын
Yeah lmao. He's still King in his mind....
@mahalallel201211 ай бұрын
@@ldking5132 Oh! So he must King in your mind in order to be King; and your No.1 Album is releasing when??
@trodgerable-u4i11 ай бұрын
@@mahalallel2012I may not be able to make #1 albums. But I have plenty that would make Kanye jealous - like a loving partner and a family that supports me.
@AxeMan80811 ай бұрын
Yes. It's the Trump playbook. Kanye really wants to walk in Trump's footsteps.
@ldking513211 ай бұрын
@@mahalallel2012 i love kanye. He's still king in his mind and that's all that matters. Even if he's doubted or told he's wrong. He feels like a king despite it all
@Styl84911 ай бұрын
You know, parasocial relationships are so crazy because even though you're well aware of the fact that it's not real, it still hits all the same. Realizing I could no longer separate the art from the artist felt like the death of part of me because the music was so intertwined in my life and marked pivotal points throughout my formative years. When I realized MBDTF was the last Kanye album I wholly liked or bought was heartbreaking. To say that Kanye's music was the soundtrack to my life can not be overstated. Throughout middle school, high school, and college, I was consumed with Kanye. He was my alarm clock, ringtone, study playlist, gym playlist, got me hyped for job interviews, and I went to sleep listening to his music. If I was listening to music, which I did all day, it was Kanye. So when things started to go downhill, I tried my hardest to hold on and hoped the Kanye I loved would return, but it started to hurt to even hope. Eventually, I realized I had only given him so much grace because I didn't want to let to go, and I was being a hypocrite because I would never let that crap slide with someone I didn’t like. It's hard being an old Kanye fan when you're so vehemently against the things he says, does, and the trash music that has been put out for years. It feels like the death of a deep, long friendship that you've never been able to completely heal from because often that friend throws it in your face, with their actions, why you're no longer friends.
@ladyyyhokage11 ай бұрын
I'm so glad you decided to talk about this because literally just earlier today i got an ad on my facebook for kanye's website where he's selling his shitty vultures merch for like $20 a piece. which, cool, i'm glad normal people can afford his stuff if they want it but at this point i wouldn't be caught dead giving that man any of my support, much less my money. separating the art from the artist is one thing, but when the art holds the same problematic message the creator personally holds, it's time we start having a conversation about media literacy and where the limit on that separation begins and ends. ESPECIALLY when it's someone as immensely popular and influential as kanye.
@ironickomedakin11 ай бұрын
Legit. Like this merch HAS alt right art on it and this is the only time he's selling his stuff for this cheap. It's malicious at this point.
@sword949711 ай бұрын
@@ironickomedakin Alt right art?
@houragents549011 ай бұрын
@ironickomedakin He wanted to sell $20 Yeezy mech for years but his business partners wouldn't let him.
@houragents549011 ай бұрын
I really need to cop a pair of those Yeezy Pods and that shirt with the cool eagle emblem on it
@ladyyyhokage11 ай бұрын
@@houragents5490 i’m aware. it’s still really funny & mighty coincidental that finally he’s able to release his merch the way he wants to and nobody wants it because it’s nazi shit.
@Shadowcity21211 ай бұрын
It’s easy to separate the art from the artist when the art becomes bad
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
Bars..lol
@Itomon11 ай бұрын
lol
@MrTAGGER8811 ай бұрын
It's why Chris Brown is still around
@cv849911 ай бұрын
I think it's the opposite. People find it easier to separate the art from the artist when the art is good. It's easy for people to say "You can't separate the art from the artist" when the art is crap anyway. They get to feel morally superior while not actually sacrificing anything. But when the art is good, they find reasons to justify still consuming it even though they know the person creating that art is bad, so suddenly separating the art from the artist seems like a great idea--especially if the artist is still alive.
@march175211 ай бұрын
It's easy to separate the art from the artist whwn the artist don't put antisemitic shit in their bars lol
@imdoneplus11 ай бұрын
“Poopity Scoop” was Kanye ruining a beat that Drake REALLY wanted. He figured that destroying the song was the biggest eff you possible to his former protege.
@TheEmbessyNetwork11 ай бұрын
Sad part is, it just made Kanye look more foolish for doing that.
@CityColourr11 ай бұрын
@@TheEmbessyNetworkno it didn't lol it was funny and even Drake thinks so
@Waderade9611 ай бұрын
And it's better than basically anything off of Vultures lol
@geekylove360311 ай бұрын
Better not listen to Death Certificate by Cube or Return to the 36 Chambers by ODB. Or about 100 other LPs from artists ranging from Zeppelin to Bowie. The content of the music and the content is of the characters would have some of you in a tizz. Me personally, I am happy to listen to the music.
@trodgerable-u4i11 ай бұрын
@@TheEmbessyNetwork"you fool! I was only pretending to be a moron!"
@bub584211 ай бұрын
Im Jewish. Kanye is my favorite artist of ALL TIME. Since "Through the Wire." I played that shit 6000 times. I went to every single concert he had. He used to speak about self empowerment and confidence in a way that I would listen to every interview. As I got older, I learned just because someone is a musical genius doesnt make them a genius in everything else. When kanye used to drop it used to be an event. You KNEW you were getting a piece of art. This album, and the last few, theres no direction.
@trodgerable-u4i11 ай бұрын
Can't imagine how terrible I would feel as a Jewish dude if my favorite artist told me he loved Hitler
@HexZero11 ай бұрын
cope
@miseendriste633711 ай бұрын
Cool story bro, Free Palestine
@miseendriste633711 ай бұрын
@@trodgerable-u4i Not as bad as Palestinians being betrayed by their favorite artists for sure
@trodgerable-u4i11 ай бұрын
@@miseendriste6337 it's probably pretty equivalent, anyway you know Jews and Zionist are two different things right? Just like Palestinians are not the same as Hamas.
@VladShpiro11 ай бұрын
Remember the "I miss the old Kanye" skit he did? Yeah, it's next to "foreshadowing" in the dictionary
@TheBriGuy12911 ай бұрын
Dang, it’s been 3 years? I found FD with the edgelord movies video followed by Bo Burnham and Kanye vids. Now the B Sides channel is as big as main was. Love it
@legendaryfrog488011 ай бұрын
I've struggled with this topic as well as a big fan of Ender's game and Orson Scott Card's other main series, Homecoming. The truth is, you are correct. The artist creates the art and the art is created by their views, values, imagination, knowledge, etc. In addition, any financial support is used by the artist to push their own agendas. Card used some of the money I gave him to fight against equal rights. I can't buy any of his art without directly supporting his beliefs so I've chosen to find other artists to support.
@llpolluxll11 ай бұрын
I loved reading Orson Scott Card at one point. His ideas in Enders Game and Speaker for the Dead really opened up my mind and helped me develop my cognitive empathy but listening to him after the whole thing with gay marriage being legalized, he started sounding like my homophobic parents. Getting married to a dude to piss them off was totally worth it.
@dahliaherrod430111 ай бұрын
Bruh you married someone just to piss off your parents? Yikes!
@Plain--Jane11 ай бұрын
@@dahliaherrod4301 i don't even know how to reply to this lol they were making a joke
@dahliaherrod430111 ай бұрын
@@Plain--Jane oh I know.
@michaellebron942511 ай бұрын
Makes me happy that you and fantano have landed in similar spaces. Shows the consistency you guys have on these topics
@DOOMsword711 ай бұрын
So I’m a hobbyists novel writer. And a big part of my growth (maybe 5 years ago) is that even novel writing, the most solitary art ever, is a community effort. You NEED beta readers, you need other writers to compete against, you have to READ! You need editors. Writing programs and workshops, it’s a group effort! And so is Hip Hop. Once you are disconnected from community you cannot make good art. You just can’t. Kanye is never gonna be good again because he isn’t part of the hip hop community like he was.
@Dave10269311 ай бұрын
If no one wants your art, especially if you abused people, then that person shouldn’t make art, because making art is s privilege, and not a right.
@DOOMsword711 ай бұрын
@@Dave102693 I’m not 100% sure I agree with that. Even George W Bush (noted problematic person) deserves to make art. I think it’s a human impulse. Now I’m not sure everyone is entitled to a platform or an audience for their art…
@davedave992411 ай бұрын
I’m here for the light work TOOL arc
@andyb165311 ай бұрын
I'm a fan of classic Metal music, I have to separate art from artist on a regular basis. But sometimes, it just isn't possible.
@Napalmdog11 ай бұрын
That always strikes me as so strange when it happens! The most mixed up for me is S.O.D. Some of the members have learned and changed, some have doubled down on their beliefs.
@ReshonBryant11 ай бұрын
Exactly. Love RATM. But, I'm not about to be a commie. I respect talent/art first. Personal views after. If they align with mine, great. If not, then hey I look the other way🤷🏽♂️
@kyleway851311 ай бұрын
For me someone being a sex criminal is always a hard line. I cant ever forgive Inquisition for what Dagon was caught doing, and I cant believe we arent making a bigger stink as a community about the fact that hes been platformed and is releasing music again.
@eduardmartin135111 ай бұрын
Same here! I know it happened before but i haven't seen such a division in mainstream hip hop with a controversial artist in a while. Hopefully some people have a better grasp on why its not easy to put an artist aside if they did something sketchy.
@eduardmartin135111 ай бұрын
@@kyleway8513"b..b..but the riffs!!". Yeah its hard to get over something like that. The frog vocals were a turn off anyway
@kin.greened11 ай бұрын
I agree with waiting a while for a part 3 but with that being said I will be patiently waiting for that upload 🙇🏼♀️
@poshdelux11 ай бұрын
I would love for you and Fantano to talk again. I really enjoyed the two of you talking about music.
@mediamanmichael887911 ай бұрын
I think separating the art from the artist is a valid and necessary tool for judging, analysing and critiquing art. It is a faulty philosophy when you use it to justify the artists behaviour because of his art and does not take away the real life consequences of supporting the artists ludicrous behaviour by continuing to listen to his output/ consuming the product sold to you. Kanye specifically makes the separation impossible for the normal person and the public since he forces the artist into his art constantly
@calvinware795711 ай бұрын
J cole called it with false prophets
@trodgerable-u4i11 ай бұрын
Now that's a fucking rapper, God damn all this thinking about how Kanye used to be good when I can just go listen to 2014 Forest Hills Drive for the 34th time
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
And rhymefest called him out too
@KiraDaBeastNY11 ай бұрын
Cole still claims False Prophet wasn't about Kanye and I *still* don't believe him.
@calvinware795711 ай бұрын
@@KiraDaBeastNY lmao yeah we know it's about Kanye it might be about other rappers too but Kanye is the archetype
@smaaron_j_4611 ай бұрын
@@KiraDaBeastNY he’s probably saying that to duck backlash that he still gets from Ye fans to this day. There’s this one mf that said “If Kendrick made it, it’d have a lot more weight” as if the song itself doesn’t have weight
@eightfootmanchild11 ай бұрын
Funny how Kanye wore a Burzum shirt, cuz Burzum is another case of the art and artist being inseparable clown shit.
@AuuuAuuuo11 ай бұрын
I'd argue that when it comes to Burzum it might be easier to separate for someone who's ignorant, since he has a lot of instrumental stuff and most of his stuff is about elves or whatever. But still, if you can put 2+2 together you can notice that his whole thing is creating this mythological world and a pseudo archeological vision of old Norse history as a part of his white supremacist and antisemitic ideology.
@Biglax11 ай бұрын
everything is separable except for people who go into things with a closed mind and a morally pure attitude.
@Smartass_Jedi11 ай бұрын
I hate when people blame Ye's bullshit on his mental problems. I know a lot of people with mental issues that dont go full fascist and go defcon 3 on the Jews. I've been a fan of his for a long time, but he's a rotten, nasty, hateful person. No redemption and no mercy from me. Later playa
@user-jd8ow9mg8k11 ай бұрын
Just because the people you know don't do it doesn't mean it doesn't come from mental issues dude, at the same time you're not entitled to give your support either.
@whym643811 ай бұрын
The way I like to put it is that “being an asshole” isn't a mental illness. I came up with that line to talk about the people trying to diagnose Trump, but it fits here, too.
@FrancoisDressler11 ай бұрын
Downplaying someone's mental illness is not a good look.
@ironCondor62311 ай бұрын
@@FrancoisDressler assuming people with mental illnesses will automatically be racist, terrible people is actively ableist and gives a bad reputation to everyone else who suffers from mental issues
@user-jd8ow9mg8k11 ай бұрын
He's been diagnosed with mental illness @@whym6438
@millenniumvintage972611 ай бұрын
Just had this convo with my roommate the other day. I can’t separate the art from the artist with Kanye because his transgressions hurt too much. College dropout through graduation was my introduction into hip hop. Sad.
@med111cen11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your outlook FD, I think this is a well-informed and thoughtful summary of the situation with Kanye and a general perspective I mostly align with. I don't think that we should separate the art from the artist. As an artist myself I am skeptical of the idea that someone can make a piece of art without it being intrinsically tied to who that artist is, what they believe, their way of seeing and therefore interpreting and translating their perspective into a piece of art or music or media. To clarify, I do not think this means that people cannot enjoy art made by problematic people (a notable exception being art that is explicitly harmful or touts harmful, bigoted, etc. rhetoric-- e.g. Burzum-- I will meet fans of such media with a well-deserved side-eye). However, platforming them, supporting them financially, riding for them publicly-- that is wrong. Personally, I prefer not to listen to or otherwise enjoy the art of people I find problematic or outright evil, but far be it from me to force that upon other people. Just don't give them a platform. Don't give their shit a springboard. Simple as that, in my opinion.
@Burgercat5511 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Mayhem515011 ай бұрын
We all come to a point where we either decide to stop being suckers or we numb ourselves to reality and continue to suckle the teat.
@kincamell211 ай бұрын
Gratitude for sharing. Late Registration, My Beautiful Twisted Fantasy and 808s & Heartbreaks are classics, to me.
@Procanin11 ай бұрын
Life of the party, Hurricane, 24, He gave it all, sunday service and a lot more recent stuff from Kanye is fire. Folks not listening with their ears, hating despise the longevity and creativity for ideological reason. On my part I will enjoy every chance I have to be blessed by the abundance and variety of bangers Ye creates.
@PenguinInsid6 ай бұрын
I've been an active artist all my life. The notion of "separating art from the artist" only goes as far as you, the viewer, are willing to accept, or exempt, aspects from said artist. All art is derived from perspective and is a mouthpiece from and for the artist. From conception, art is an embodiment of an individual making the two are forever bonded and inseparatable. This goes for any art. Digital, visual, video, 3D, musical, traditional drawings, any form of media that has any ounce of creativity associated with it this applies to. That's not even going into the monetary aspects, the fullfillment aspects, the ego aspects that all come from this situation. There's a lot of dogshit people that are able to make enjoyable things and while I personally do not like to partake in the things these people make I can acknowledge the merit of their ability and talent, but that's as far as I'm personally willing to go.
@LoyaltotheNightsky11 ай бұрын
If you can easily separate art from the artist, it means they haven't put any of their real selves or beliefs into that art. Which makes it empty and pointless and not worth listening to anyway. If they have put themselves into that art, and you're still trying to separate them, then you're trying to do the impossible, because they're inherently linked. It also means you just don't care about the real world impact of supporting certain people. And there is most certainly real world impact. These things have been studied.
@perfectallycromulent11 ай бұрын
That's not accurate. There have been many artists who are also rapists, and close to none of them have done art that says "hey I'm a rapist!". Artists, great or otherwise, frequently intentionall try to hide their crimes. They do not put those parts of themselves into their art.
@einveru64585 ай бұрын
Here’s my opinion: I think the reason why Kanye has been able to maintain so much of his relevance even in spite of his repeated harmful behavior, is because beyond the consumer, there are too many people in positions of power benefiting from him and his brand. And in his case, there are so many people who work for the labels and in media who benefit from his constant decline in mental health.
@IslandGoMTG11 ай бұрын
The "Everything I Am" beat in the background is fantastic
@Ginjabreadman1711 ай бұрын
Right now we have the most art that has ever been made and tomorrow we will have even more. There's just far too much good entertainment these days that I will never have enough time to get around to or maybe even hear about just because they never get the attention that their work deserves. I have so many options to choose from I don't feel a desperate need to hold on to a few harmful artists and worry about some vacuum that will never be filled because there are just so many others who are more worthy and could possibly even be better as both people and artists.
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
Perfectly said..
@bbbbbbbbbb011 ай бұрын
I’ve always felt like he’s overrated but could never fully understand his actions (and still don’t tbh) until I found out that he has a porn addiction. Like a really BAD one. Then many of his actions, his lyrical content, his lifestyle and even the way he publicises his relationships and women, began to make so much sense. I know he’s been battling it for years but in this current music era, it feels like he’s stopped trying to overcome it.
@channelneo751911 ай бұрын
Kanye is a rich, bored guy just looking to see how far he can push the boundaries. There's nothing left for him to prove musically.
@sabbathjackal11 ай бұрын
"Fake it till you make it" Also means "if you fake it long enough it will become reality "
@BrandyAHyatt11 ай бұрын
My moment when I had to leave Kanye was actually that bleached ahole line. Like this man thinks I’m stupid.
@CitanulsPumpkin11 ай бұрын
The main problem with "separating the art from the artists" is that it only works for people who can't grasp themes, subtext, innuendo, and dramatic irony. If you're watching any Star Wars movie and you legitimately can't see all the obvious parallels between the bad guys and real-world nazis, you'll probably be more than able to separate the art from the artists. If you're watching Indiana Jones 1, 3, or 5, and you can't spot the criticism of the kinds of fascism practiced in America, you'll probably do great at separating the art from the artist. If you think Thanos was right, you probably don't even know the artist exists. If you watch any of the goblin banker scenes in Harry Potter, and you didn't have a problem with them using "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as concept art and a lore bible, you're probably wondering why anyone would even need to separate the art from the artist. Sure, these are all movies, but if anything, music should be harder to separate the art and the artist. With music, the art is literally just the words of the artist delivered in a way that leads to them being repeated over and over inside your head. As a side note... yes, Kanye obviously has Manic Depressive Disorder and periodically refuses treatment. You know what is true about the vast majority of people with mental illnesses, learning disabilities, or any form of nuro-divergence? They don't become nazis. ADHD doesn't cause you to pal around with neo nazi youtubers. Aspergers doesn't make Mien Kampf more compelling to read. Autism doesn't make you round people up and put them in camps. Mental illness is no excuse for being or working with fascists.
@asswipe-fl7hq11 ай бұрын
I have a question what do you do if you want to make art, but think that the majority of people in the world see you as a bad person or hold beliefs inside that people think are harmful is it just not in the cards for you to make art Like is it not worth it cause everyone should be obligated to not have any interest in you off the jump and a big part of art is the satisfaction of having what you have to say, and your experiences resonating with people in some way so if people aren't allowed to do that cause it might cause harm what's the point
@midnighter2k11 ай бұрын
It's actually the opposite. Separating the art from the artist shows that you can have a critical and analitical mind. A mind that can absorve the complexity of life and understand that there are no easy answers and that you NEED to apply your critical thinking in everything and not hide your head in the sand and see the world in black and white terms. Only fools obssesed with "being good" or wanting to ride on moral high horses all the time will never separate the art from the artist. It's literally not having the intelectual capability to disect the world and simply put things in dichotomic terms. I pity those people to be honest.
@asswipe-fl7hq11 ай бұрын
@@midnighter2k That wasn't an invitation, that was me wanting to understand what someone w his worldview would do with someone who has my problems, FROM HIM. Not from you.
@heavenly2k11 ай бұрын
Artists make the art in question. In most cases, it is pretty hard to separate to begin with but it doesn't help that some artists can't seem to separate their problematic behavior from their art either.
@RaquelMarieCR11 ай бұрын
It’s so refreshing to hear an intelligent take on Kanye’s mess these days. Loved the video! Subscribed! ❤
@chiseledmedal263411 ай бұрын
A similar issue to Kanye was similar to what happened to certain groups of fans when “One In A Million” by Guns N Roses came out. My mom was a middle school teacher in LA at the time it came out and she told me all the young 1st generation Hispanic girls were in tears after learning the artist they loved hates people/families like them at the time. It’s one of the pieces that the artist’s views are inserted in and said directly to the consumer.
@sorcesscores536611 ай бұрын
The recent video of Kanye in the airport, answering questions from paparazzi (im guessing), really shined a light on his current state of mind. He just looked and sounded desperate while trying to convince the viewer (and maybe himself too) that he is in fact a confident genius that wins no matter what.
@DaRedDragonFromDrakengard11 ай бұрын
The great thing about Vultures is that it sucks ass so we don't have to separate art from artist at all.
@pitpride122011 ай бұрын
I had to let Ye go awhile ago. He's too anti black and otherwise problematic. I've let a lot of modern hip hop go. I still stay connected to the culture. But lately I've been listening to TOOL, Queens Of The Stone Age, KNOWER and Supergrass. They fit the vibe I've been on lately. I'll miss Ye. He was great at one point. I have faith hip hop will morph into something even better. I have faith in my culture. We've always been on the bleeding edge of culture and defined what's relevant.
@thestarseeker819611 ай бұрын
Respectfully, music just in a general sense hasn’t been on the “bleeding edge” since like…Miles Davis. Artists in their respective genres have pushed those forward and pushed the envelope but it hasn’t gone beyond that. If it seems like it has, once you look you see that usually has zero to do with music and everything to do with the power of marketing, which is a pretty poor barometer for “defining a culture”, which is something we don’t even need in the first place; we should be defining ourselves as individuals first anyhow..
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
Ye is not the culture tho, there are so many good young mc and rappers out there to listen from j.i.d, mick jenkins, vince staples, big Krit, cordae, saba, earl switshirt, kendrick, tyler the creator, denzel cury, joey badass, j cole, isaiah rashad, ab soul, billy woods etc
@HeckYep11 ай бұрын
@@thestarseeker8196Most of the real pioneering rn is in noise/art pop but they're not my cup of tea. And while there's not as much pure originality going around I feel like artists have never been less beholden to trends and we're getting much more casual blending of genres on the charts/radio.
@simperial020211 ай бұрын
That wall is so clean I can't even tell the difference from my screen and the edge of the video
@ukchanak11 ай бұрын
I have bipolar and ADHD, and I'm white. I am very liberal and pro POC and I hate the idea that anyone uses bipolar, or ADHD, or whatever, to be an excuse to be racist. It's infuriating. Edit: I also loved old Kanye music. It's just depressing overall that so many people who started out as allies of justice have become enemies.
@MeestroDavid11 ай бұрын
If you haven’t read it yet, I highly recommend the book Monsters by Claire Dederer, which deep-dives into the conflict of loving art made by monstrous artists. She approaches the conflict from a variety of perspectives and her arguments are more interesting and sophisticated than the usual debates around the topic.
@env0x11 ай бұрын
i only listen ethically sourced AI kanye
@flaminhotfuckingcheetos253611 ай бұрын
2 wrongs don’t make a right
@FromTheHipp11 ай бұрын
mental health is a cop out. he uses having bipolar when it suits him. you cant separate art from the artist. the shit that you dont agree with is the inspiration for the art.
@JenSell162611 ай бұрын
Everyone deserve ls support managing mental health struggles. It never absolves consequences for the impact your action has on others. Basically Fiq said what I’ve long said “Explain, not Excuse.”
@FromTheHipp11 ай бұрын
@@JenSell1626 generally speaking, you're correct. specifically speaking, kanye uses mental health to get over on yall because you'll believe it. he conveniently only has it when he does dumb shit.
@yveje972011 ай бұрын
He doesn’t really apologize for the bad things though. Sometimes he pretends to and goes right back to doing the same ish. Also I never heard him say it’s because I’m Bipolar I said xyz, he almost always doubles down actually. But I’ll also admit I’m not following him that closely and never have so I only get the highlights whenever he is trending. If he apologizes at all he just says something along the lines of that’s not what I meant, y’all misunderstood at least from what I have seen
@skofh705111 ай бұрын
He doesn't even believe he's bipolar anymore, he now says that he has "slight signs of autism" from his 2002 car accident, which is so funny because one could say "at least he's not using his mental health a a suitable cop out" but his self-diagonisis is also very weird
@jaccl453911 ай бұрын
I want yall to keep this same energy when ya cry victim - Mental health is a cop out
@gentlemandemon11 ай бұрын
I think it's important to consider the artist because art is all about conveying messages, and leaving the author out can flatten works by removing intent. At the same time, it can also be useful to address a work on its own terms, you just gotta be mindful that you're choosing not to see the whole picture
@jukeboxxgamer11 ай бұрын
Honestly, whenever I listened to his music its always felt intrinsically connected to both the out-of-pocketness, creative strokes of genius, and narcissistic grandiosity that comes with his personality/mental health. I dunno if it's just my own perspective as a black female artist with mental illness and the ways that I can relate to those highs & lows. But I genuinely never thought someone could produce the mixes he created or his shock-value lyrics without his positionality and bipolarity. You can always see his tie ins to other black, troubled artists, for example: when he pulls inspiration from people like Gil-Scott Heron on flashing lights. That remix makes you feel so vain and grandiose, but if you're a real one who knows what it's sampled from the original is an incredibly dark, reflective, isolated, and emotionally heavy song. He'd have to be tapped into the ability to feel both those extremes at the same time. Things like that were never lost on me.
@danielcropp855311 ай бұрын
Audio is fixed, thanks!
@portmantologist11 ай бұрын
0:22 45% is extremely generous.
@ImarBenIsrael11 ай бұрын
That poppity scoop song is fire
@virginiaraine220711 ай бұрын
I think the hardest part is he is alive and we see and hear exactly what he is doing so him talking crazy in his songs saying anti semic stuff , calling every woman in his life a bitch and basically reducing them to a fuck puppet then just kinda trying to flex when then he gets on Instagram talking about being sued and how adidas is “raping your favorite artist right now “ is literally just mind boggling
@Falasteen197327 күн бұрын
i don't separate the art from the artist because there's no way i am going to give my money, directly or indirectly through music streams or whatever, to a horrible person. I am not going to contribute to them becoming richer and more powerful, where they can they use that money or power to make the world a worse place. either by having more people listen to their unhinged nonsense or by them donating or financially supporting things that I believe are detrimental to humanity. No matter how good their art is and I miss listening to/watching it.
@janosrock11 ай бұрын
i almost had the chance to use my lip reading skills i wasted my highschool year developing :( thanks for the video tho :)
@RealJohnnyGuillotine11 ай бұрын
I have to separate Art from Artist... Ted Nugent from the song "Stranglehold" because that bass line is too good.
@OmertaVII11 ай бұрын
Ted Nugent can Joe Rogan himself till his heart stops.
@RealJohnnyGuillotine11 ай бұрын
@@OmertaVII Bloat Rogan
@jtfritchie11 ай бұрын
Ted Nugent has always challenged one’s ability to separate the art from the artist
@whym643811 ай бұрын
I've met Derek St. Holmes, who sang that song. I still have his autograph in a box somewhere. Seemed like a much more reasonable guy than Ted.
@afrosamourai40011 ай бұрын
If we had to judge art by the way artists behaved there would almost be no art
@dimsdaledimma432111 ай бұрын
Bro you don't think "Ye" and "kids see ghost" are great albums? U tripping or didn't listen to them
@gehrmanfirsthunter864611 ай бұрын
When I go out to the bar with my friend, he plays the same 6 Kanye songs on Touch Tunes while we are playing pool. He's a lefty like me, but he was also a way bigger Kanye head than me. I'm always looking around the room for someone to be WAY to happy that Kanye is on.
@ItachiUchiha-sh6of11 ай бұрын
Ever since that "pooping scoop" song I knew Kanye was cooked musically. I haven't purposefully listened to any of his new stuff since he was talking about black people. And now.... Yeah not regretting jumping of that train early 😂 But I am looking funny at people who choose to work with him. Especially now.
@arthurg.calixto333811 ай бұрын
It's "poopity scoop" and it was a dig at Drake. There's like one million articles talking about the actual meaning of it. It's just comedy.
@ItachiUchiha-sh6of11 ай бұрын
@@arthurg.calixto3338 I shouldn't have to do research for a song like that. That shit was like 8 years ago. It wasn't even funny, that shit was stupid 😂 if a "diss song" can't stand on its own it ain't good. This legit what fd was saying. Making bad shit on purpose don't make you a genius. And from what I heard it ain't gotten better.
@TheBigTerm11 ай бұрын
The beat was ridiculously fire though?
@ItachiUchiha-sh6of11 ай бұрын
@@TheBigTerm I haven't heard it in a while. All I remember is the "poopity scoop de poop" part. But I'll take your word for it 😂
@arthurg.calixto333811 ай бұрын
@@ItachiUchiha-sh6of But atleast judge him on an actually bad song instead of freaking out over a literal shitpost, or else the argument just feels in bad faith.
@LJohnson8811 ай бұрын
When I hear Em say some off the wall things I assume he’s 80% joking. Ye on the other hand I assume is 100% honest because he lacks the ability to filter his words.
@kfc66711 ай бұрын
The album is amazing, well put together. Play it all day, every day
@Just1PlayerLikeU11 ай бұрын
no sir it`s bad :))
@Ishbikes11 ай бұрын
Amazing album
@synthiandrakon11 ай бұрын
I think one thing thats often missing from conversations about kanyes mental health, is that his mental health is a part of him, there is no nice neat line between kanye with his problems and kanye without them and i kind of think we just have to accept that he is who he says he is. kanyes mental health is a description of kanyes mind not an externality
@chefarik4 ай бұрын
I know there are specific videos you are especially proud of and you've mentioned them by name. I know you have videos that have "preformed" especially well and have done a lot to elevate your platform. For me, personally, your full length Kanye video had multiple, deep impacts on my world. Not only did you put words to some notions that I couldn't manage to shape in to complete thoughts(you do that all the time) but you changed the way I communicate with my closest peoples. Once you extended kayfabe beyond wrestling my head exploded.
@RexytheRexy11 ай бұрын
This reminds me of JK Rowling, who is an example of being unable to extricate the art from the artist, for me (HP Lovecraft is another). This may seem like a non-sequitur, but I was watching a video about trans rights and remembered your efforts to make your channels a safe space for trans folks. I'm not trans, but I am LGBTQIA+ (Q, I, and +), and I wanted to thank you for that.