Silco Never Lies | Arcane

[@idlescree]

Reee! Thank you all for coming to the premiere, it was so fun to yell about Silco and Arcane, dads and *voice acting*. Shout out to @SP00KYT33TH, the Hedgehog's number 1 fan :D If you like our work, please consider supporting us over at Patreon! www.patreon.com/IdlescreeProductions

[@Icemirror319]

God, I loved the scene where he goes to Vander's statue. So frustrated with himself despite Knowing he would never bring himself to sacrifice Jinx. "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"

[@idlescree]

That line was SO profound and beautifully delivered. The wry emotion...

[@HedgehogEditor]

It's one of the most powerful moments of the series, and the series has A LOT of powerful moments.

[@saiyasha848]

I think what makes Silco such an incredible villain is that he is human. He is not a monster, even though he does monsterous things. He is a Terrorist and a Visionary, a father and a murderer, a rebel and a druglord. Arcane was so masterful in making you realize that while you disagree with Silcos methods and his way, his goals aren't something you can dismiss. Zaun deserves recognition, help at the very least, and yeah, maybe it _should_ be independent, since Piltover clearly failed the Undercity hard. You understand why Vander did not want to fight, but you also see why Silco and Sevika do. Everyones motivation makes so much _sense_ and that is what reality is: So foten, we do not have a good and a bad side. We have lots of different paths to an outcome and most of them have some good and some bad and in the end, we have to decide which evil we can tolerate more on the path we take. Can we stand back, knowing that while we may save the people in our direct vicity from imminent destruction, but allowing slow death and decay to take not only their lifes, but also their hope? Or do we fight, knowing that a lot of people will probably die, but maybe there is a brighter dawn for our future children. Do we sacrifice the people we fight for as fodder for the war, because we believe in "The greater good" that this will achieve? There is no good answer here, just a path we can choose

[@erinbathie-moore8478]

As a Neurodivergent individual, who has sworn off lying because ew, I find Arcane so refreshing in it's authenticity. I'm sick of lies in Tv, and my life in general. Natural, organic, and genuine (anything) has been the only way, so far, for me to find piece in life

[@HedgehogEditor]

Lies and betrayal are also easy drama. It's very "Gasp!" sort of drama. Sudden, but without a lot of consistent effect on the story. Much deeper when characters are actually able to communicate their feelings, but are unable to get along-- that creates much stronger drama when two characters are at odds even if they fully respect and understand each other.

[@l.raphaelnery7299]

This is one of the reasons why I love this show... how the characters manipulate people without lies..it's simply beautiful...and a philosophy I connect with

[@BBrainsTube]

Great video, but I strongly disagree on one point. Viktor did actually lie in a crucial moment. "Was your friend able to help? - No. No, he said nature was resistant to this sort of tampering". Viktor actually quoted part of Singed's answer, so it wasn't a lie. However, him beginning his reply with "No" was.

[@HedgehogEditor]

This is true. He does say "No" but not because he's trying to manipulate Jayce. Viktor DID plan to tell Jayce about what the Doctor told him, but after seeing Jayce's blockade and hearing the way Jayce talked about people from the Undercity, he realized he couldn't trust him. It is the only "untrue" moment I could find in the show, but even then, it's less about lying to be deceptive, rather than lying by omission.

[@smileyhappyface5864]

Technically speaking, Singed _wasn't_ able to help. Singed gave him half of a solution with the Hexcore being the other half, and it's clear from his hesitation that he isn't even fully convinced it's safe. Moreover, the amount of Shimmer Singed gives him is only enough to fix his leg, not the whole disease, so there are countless loopholes. Whatever the case, I understand your point.

[@Yvädastra]

I'm crying, pissing, and shitting myself because I have to wait 3 days for this.

[@Yvädastra]

Update: it was worth the wait. ❤

[@HedgehogEditor]

What a relief!

[@HelloHaveA_NiceDay]

Yummy

[@andrewbethancourt3479]

Wait for what?

[@lozcww]

(Waaaa I didn't comment on this when it was first released!) Next to Vi, he's def my fave character in the show. He lives in his truth

[@mathiaslienafa789]

Thanks to the cutest bat of the all univers to discover me a AWSOME hedgehog analyse of the best série of all Time

[@idlescree]

Thank you, I found him in the Dumpster ;3 In all seriousness the Hedgehog has been there since Day 1 and it's so nice to see him debut here. You'll get to hear more from him in the future!!

[@afterm00nluci]

Oh no a hedgehog has invaded :p. First time hearing another person on here, confused me for a few minutes but its cool to hear others talk about stuff here :>

[@HedgehogEditor]

Well, as soon as I get a better microphone, you'll be hearing more of me lol

[@idlescree]

Yeah! If you are into Dr. Who, check our video on that--it is hosted by one of the other screetures, the Bird. He's very funny and has a melodious Australian accent :D

[@afterm00nluci]

@@HedgehogEditor I'll keep an ear out then, I enjoyed your narration a lot :>

[@afterm00nluci]

@@idlescree lmao screetures, I'll definitely give it a listen! Always a highlight for my day to see a new video from you all :p

[@WithoutAnyRain]

PLEASE do more videos on Arcane! I'd love an analysis of Victor & other characters!

[@grekoy]

Yes! Please do a video about Victor.

[@marlesimms]

This is a very thoughtful take on one of my favorite animated series ever

[@HedgehogEditor]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm rough as a writer, but I want to get better.

[@TheBestPirateDrake]

Silco did lie to Jinx if you take in account that he told her that Vi was here only for the gems and not for her. Or when he tells Jayce he was responsible for the killings of the enforcers when in reality it was all Jinx’s doing. But I agree that most of the time he doesn’t lie to her or anybody.

[@aspieanarchist5439]

Silco genuinely believed Vi was dead and as far as he knew, she could have been there for the gems but what he did know for sure at that time was he needed Jinx both to treat his eye infection and take over his criminal empire one day and he couldn`t afford what was left of Powder to interfere with her loyalties.

[@kinomisono8525]

I would love a video analyzing Victor and Vi.

[@HedgehogEditor]

Working on a Viktor script as I type this. Well-- I mean I'm working on it and taking a break to type this reply out-- oh you get it.

[@Shaathurray]

Silco may have been coded as a villian, but i never saw him as one. Not a hero, but not a villian either. The way his disposition slowly changes over the season is a really lovely tale. Not in hot he present or in how he treats his subordinates but in his internal life. Jinx causes alot of this, yes. But its also the realization that sometimes, the thing you cared about most, isnt actually worth what you were once willing to give for it. Silco learns a form of humility in this show. And i was very very saddened when he passed. Def need more Silco.

[@Shaathurray]

Also, i saw this video after your Scavangers Reign video and had to sub. Great content here. Hope to enjoy more in the future

[@ViridianCrisis7]

Great vid! But can we all please stop saying Vi abandoned Powder? She realized she lashed out at her little sister and walked away to cool off so she wouldn’t hurt her more than she already had. Marcus snatching her wasn’t her fault.

[@HedgehogEditor]

Oh Vi fully intended to come back-- she abandons Powder emotionally in the moment. Vi just hit her sister-- she needed a moment to calm down. Powder's sitting there, screaming for Vi, and that's when Silco appears. That's what I meant by abandoned. Marcus grabbing Vi is tangential.

[@valiensr1037]

Honestly, it’d be nice that if she makes Fishbones in season two, she hears Silco’s voice from it. She has a habit of talking to it in game, so it’d be a nice connection.

[@StoryTeller796]

He is an [ [ HonestMan ] ]. Can I ask a curious question. Who are the people who wrote the great season 1, and are they the same people who are writing season 2?

[@ambero8726]

Fantastic stuff here, a brilliant view of a complex character

[@idlescree]

Thank you kindly!

[@franticchild5269]

exSCUSE ME but where was the iconic ending scree?? HMMMMM???

[@echoecho81]

Oh gosh thank you so much! I could never put this into words before, you are so right about the show’s honesty. I feel like political conflict based on cynical dishonesty is analogous to romcom conflicts based on end-of-second-act misunderstandings, it’s so much easier to write but it doesn’t have the power of truly intractable problems that drive a lot of real conflict. This made my weekend and reminded me how much I love this show (more arcane pleeeaaase)

[@HedgehogEditor]

Thank you for your comment and frankly I agree. Writing a story where characters are at odds simply because they CAN'T get along is fascinating to me. There are so few stories that are made that have conflict like this. It particularly makes character relationships like Vi/Caitlyn or Jayce/Viktor or Heimerdinger/Ekko interesting to me, because despite them being at odds, they still work together. They change when their goals change, allowing them to work better together.

[@dantepagano5247]

i dont lie, is just that i understand that "deals change"

[@Crocy]

Wouldn't be surprised if the animation for this show and Clone Wars looks so similar

[@dylanehooverlibrarian7026]

A good first video! I appreciate how this little fact I never noticed about this show highlights a central truth about its storytelling: strong characters are their truth withoutco p4omise, and the strongest of them never lie b3cause their truth is so strong. Only 2 quibbles: 1. The convention of lying doesn't predate the written word Gilgamesh and Macbeth are written works; by definition they aren't older than the written word. The second bit: certain words in the script repeat themselves in short succession (e.g. character, tragedy), and using synonyms would make for a stronger listen. That said, Im glad to have listen to this and would lime to hear more of your takes on IdleScree.

[@HedgehogEditor]

I'm glad you liked it! And yeah, this script is rough. I wrote this a year ago and finished the video in December. The writing is repetitive and weak in places. Thank you for pointing that out-- I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought so. I'm already working on a new script and I'm much better about it lol

[@HelloHaveA_NiceDay]

Arcane is amazing, and so is this video. It’s very well thought out and high quality, good job!

[@idlescree]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Linaa81]

What I find really cool is that in season 1 he says ''You are my daughter" to Jinx. And season 2 confirms it

[@Drawoon]

Very insightful. I wanna try to use something like this in my own writing.

[@rexevans5477]

how did you guts decide what your animal representations are? I really find it interesting.

[@RaccoonArteest]

(Hope you don't mind if I answer this one first Bat

[@rexevans5477]

@@RaccoonArteest thanks! I've loved your videos from the start and I always wondered where the animals came from.

[@HedgehogEditor]

It is a common inside joke amongst us that I am prickly like a hedgehog. This is true. I've also been called stubborn. This is also true.

[@idlescree]

I have nurtured a love of bats for many years and find them the cutest, most underrated creatures, particularly microbats! I am myself a relatively small person, I make a lot of silly squeak noises, I'm cuddly and social. For me bats represent this weird natural triumph. They shouldn't exist the way they do! They're functionally immortal for their size, they're critically important to global ecosystems by pollinating things and keeping the bug population down, and there are so many species! A species for everyone! I aspire to be as adorable and useful as bats.

[@rexevans5477]

@@idlescree these really are interesting it be a fun milestone video.

[@giraffegirl1691]

This was a wonderful video, but. . .hedgehog, pal, are you okay? Just the sheer number of rapidly scrolling TV dramas that are based on lies makes me question things. . .

[@idlescree]

He's a very thorough snuffler and will dig up every example possible

[@HedgehogEditor]

I literally thought of every TV drama I'd ever watched and went "omg, 95% of them are just lying..."

[@LizzieDaKittie4015]

Awesome video!!!!

[@idlescree]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ShyyGaladriel]

This’s so interesting.

[@masonguthrie1257]

What is interesting in this show is that people don’t lie however they are constantly painting their own narratives. Like with Silco and Jinx about Vi coming back, he did not lie to her but he was quick to push the narrative that Vi was not here for Jinx. Even if we know that is untrue and Silco probably knows that’s untrue it’s still a possibility and thus not a lie. And this type of narrative manipulation is done by almost every character.

[@hannahmetzger4880]

What's that song you played at 3:10?

[@HedgehogEditor]

Song is "Myself" by NEFFEX. Song is in the end credits and linked in the description! I highly recommend their music.

[@hannahmetzger4880]

@HedgehogEditor Ooohhh, I _love_ NEFFEX!!! 😁. I guess I just didn't realize that it was their music, LOL.

[@sekasnola1885]

Arcane has its own unique style but Silco particularly looks like he's someone from Dunwall to me

[@Nitram4392]

I would argue, that Arcane is not the first good videogame movie adaptation. "Proffessor Layton and the Eternal Diva" was a great adaptation, but the game and in turn the movie is not as mainstream, so I understand if you don't know it.

[@andrewreynolds912]

Now this show is amazing and im very excited for the second season this fall!!! Heres the fact what i see in this show is an'ti impe'rialism and an'ti capita'lism. If silco didnt stand up the hor'rible treatment of the underground would have never stopped! Thats the fact as a gen z socialist i see this so hard in the series. Silco did do bad things but he did nothing wrong to get the underground to stand up against the council. He maybe a villain but he was a villain who was wanting the underground to become free from the grasp and he did care and love jinx even if he wasnt perfect father even didnt know how to show he cared but at the end of the first season we do see that he did love her. If he didnt try to gain the undergrounds freedom and independence the viloance and oppression of the underground.

[@Jo-Heike]

I came here for the bad but was pleasantly surprised.

[@jadegecko]

El Sueño vibes

[@darkestlight660]

I like this a lot, but I feel like there's a lot of ignoring lies of omission. That's a huge part OF lying

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:) D

[@fixpontt]

he lies to Jinx when he says Vi is here only for the crystal not for you

[@stjernis]

Was about to say the same thing. I don't think he believes it himself when he says it, so it should count as a lie (and when Jinx calls him out on it later he doesn't deny it either - "I was only trying to protect you"). Still I think the video makes a good point that Arcane uses lies and deceit as plot devices much much less than other shows.

[@peteryang5056]

Yeah, that’s the one case where I think Silco is unambiguously lying. His confrontation with Vi at the end of Episode 6 makes it clear that he knows the real reason she’s back - Jinx is all they talk about during their conversation, and it’s the prospect of losing Jinx to the one person that could threaten his bond with her that causes Silco to (for the first time in the series) explode with fear and rage when Vi and Caitlyn escape. That scene makes no sense, given Silco’s characterization in the rest of the show, if Silco actually believes Vi is there for the crystal rather than for Jinx. That said, I feel like Silco’s one lie here actually accentuates the point of this video, because it’s NOT a lie introduced by the writers to create artificial conflict. It’s a lie told from desperation, and it makes perfect sense given Silco’s character and the situation he finds himself in that he’d resort to untruth to try to keep Jinx on his side. And better yet, it’s exactly this lie that ultimately sows the seeds for Silco’s undoing. Because it doesn’t take much for Jinx to see through Silco’s words and realize that Vi *is* there for her, and it’s what motivates Jinx’s view of Silco from then on as being a liar, which directly leads her to misinterpret his words at Vander’s statue and to the multilayered tragedy of the final scene.

[@Spyro757]

What are the movies after 13:36

[@HedgehogEditor]

Breaking Bad, House M.D., The Social Network, Doctor Strange, and Iron Man 2. I forgot to add the source in the clips at the time-- my bad!

[@chuzzbot]

You got it all wrong, dude. He saw his opportunity to manipulate Jinx' grief and anger, he only empathises with his own misery. Oh and that music ain't cool.

[@davidthomas3821]

Victor does directly lie to Jayce when he says friend "said nature was resistant to this sort of change", though I think the general thesis that the drama of the show does not depend on lies holds up well.

[@Kaipyro67ALT]

He did though. "Nature has made us intolerant to change. But fortunately, we have the capacity to change our nature." He doesn't lie. He just leaves out that last part.

[@davidthomas3821]

@@Kaipyro67ALT Eh, I see what you are getting at, but before that he literally says "no" regarding whether Singed was able to help. Which might be true in that the help wound up causing problems... but it does not reflect Victor's understanding (or Singed's intent, I think, fwiw) when he says it.

[@TheMightyPika]

My one question - my ONE QUESTION - why is the person who wants independence the bad guy? or, Why is the show associating freedom and independence with evil?

[@idlescree]

can you qualify that question? It's pretty simplistic when I think what the show is going for is something a little more complicated--please clarify!

[@WithoutAnyRain]

I think it's worth pointing out that Vi didn't abandon Powder of her own free will. Silco handed her over to the police after she walked out of Powder's sight & never told Powder/Jinx. He partly manufactured the abandonment of a child because he saw his own trauma in her. Do I think this was planned? No. And I don't think he himself believes he was lying because, to him, Vi walking away at all was an abandonment. But he absolutely chose to manipulate Jinx for years to protect his relationship with her

[@Kaipyro67ALT]

No, actually-- you're remembering part of that moment wrong. MARCUS apprehends Vi of his own volition and tells Silco that Vi is dead. Marcus LIES to Silco, who in turn tells Jinx that her sister is gone, because as far as he knows, she is. Remember Silco is just as shocked as Jinx is when Sevika tells him that Vi's back. He even confronts Marcus about it at his own home. Marcus lied, Silco told the truth. He didn't manipulate Jinx intentionally.

[@smileyhappyface5864]

1: saying "Vi abandoned Powder" is important to discussion about Silco AND Jinx, because neither of them figure out it's not true until years later, Obviously, we know she was going to come back. 2: Marcus takes Vi to save her from Silco, so sayng that he put Vi in jail when he clearly thought she was dead afterward. Silco legitimately thought Vi abandoned her. 3: Silco's relationship with Jinx was never in danger, so saying he did something to "protect" it is weird. He never knew Vi was alive, and as such he never mentioned it. There wasn't even any manipulation. He didn't manufacture anything, he just misunderstood the situation just like Jinx did.

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

It's always sad when people say Arcane was the first good videogame adaptation, when Castlevania (also on netflix) was such an amazing show.

[@davidthomas3821]

To be fair, here it was "great", and I don't hate drawing that line just above Castlevania.

[@Kaipyro67ALT]

Calling Castlevania "great" or "amazing" is a bit of an overstatement.

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

@@Kaipyro67ALT I'm not saying it's a masterpiece like Arcane, but it's better than most shows that have come out recently.

[@Kaipyro67ALT]

@@gaara_of_the_desert1118 I'mma hard disagree with you on that one. Castlevania is schlocky at best. It has nice animation but poor everything else.

[@zinfuldreams1709]

i feel like calling edgerunners and last of us "Equally good video game adaptations" is overselling them a bit

[@idlescree]

Fair enough, that specifically is a matter of taste--I personally really liked both of them afkjdskg

[@HedgehogEditor]

I would argue that Edgerunners was actually a better adaptation than Arcane. Arcane is brilliant, but it's adapting a moba with almost no story. Sure, there's lore, but the creators of the game change that lore all the time. Edgerunners adapts the world of Cyberpunk 2077 sooo well and actually includes a lot of the major themes of the game, important story characters, major villains, etc.

[@zinfuldreams1709]

@@HedgehogEditor it's okay if you think that

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

I'd argue that a lie by omission is still a lie, and Silco does that all the time. I agree with most of what you said about Silco, but saying he never lies is a stretch at best.

[@smileyhappyface5864]

There's a difference between keeping a secret and lying by omission. He doesn't tell the chembarons he was responsible for the blockade at the bridge because they never ask that, and he doesn't tell Jinx about Vi being back but also never even sees her until episode 7. Whatever the case, you are definitely missing the point he was making about the subjective truth if you think he omits information _all_ the time.