Silence Ending Theory Explained | An Analysis on Religion

An analysis on Scorsese's SILENCE. 30 years in the making.
Let me know your thoughts down below!
In this video:
-I explain my thoughts on the ending to Silence and what it means.
-Examine Rodrigues' faith and the real lesson in the story.
-Try to discuss religion without setting off a cult.
Sources:
Bishop Barron - • Bishop Barron on “Sile...
The Marian Catechist - • Video
Andrew Garfield Interview - • Andrew Garfield Went Q...
Scorsese on Faith - • Exclusive: Martin Scor...
CinemaTyler's Lesson on Silence - • What Scorsese's 'Silen...
SILENCE:
Two priests travel to Japan in an attempt to locate their mentor and propagate Catholicism.
Director: Martin Scorsese
Writers: Jay Cocks (screenplay), Martin Scorsese (screenplay), Shûsaku Endô (novel)
Stars: Andrew Garfield, Adam Driver, Liam Neeson
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[@joshshortt9599]

I believe this is one of those movies where the character wins by losing. He wants to live up to the heroic image he has of Jesus and Ferreira, but he must learn he is actually more like Kichijiro. By realizing that, he actually accesses a deeper level of spirituality in the end.

[@taylorlemon114]

Josh Shortt wow so many people totally miss that.. seems like ironically the fumie stomp brings him closer to Jesus because it took his ego out of the equation

[@fernman2162]

The human aspect shined before the Christian aspect of the message. In the end he represents the human condition of staying alive over losing your life for Christ. I think the film showcases that even priests fail in faith, and it's ok, they have their weaknesses too. It's hard being a priest, and especially missionaries.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Wrong. If you actually look at Japanese History. Plenty of these Japanese Christians kept Practicing there faith in secret. So much that when Foreigners Came back in the meiji restoration. The Japanese actually believed these Japanese Christians had died out. But when the Missionaries came back around 20,000 Hidden Christians came out of the woodwork that would go on to join the new Churches​@@fernman2162

[@christopherbarber5283]

i'm an agnostic but when the last japanese laymen sings the hymn on the cross in the water was the most gut wrenching moments in film i can recall in a long time

[@JohnMassari]

Silence had no official music score. Two composers were hired to "compose" sound effects not music. I felt the lack of a music score made the film even more difficult for most audiences to appreciate.

[@TheAtZShow]

Great point!

[@JohnMassari]

I like it despite its problems.

[@CrimsonVagabond]

You can't appreciate the depiction of someone being tempted away from their faith in the same manner as the Apostle Paul? The only difference is, he fails. Would you have succeeded in his place?

[@drakeequation521]

The only music life does have is just white sounds while life's struggles occur. Since it lacks music I am inclined go see it.

[@NaveenKumarErroju]

No music because it's the way it is directed. Silence. That's why no music.

[@hybui123]

The theme of the movie was that Rodrigo’s determination to live the heroic life of Jesus distorted how Jesus really lived. Jesus was willing to be humiliated, defeated and absolutely submitted to save others. Rodrigo was willing to let others be humiliated, defeated and absolutely submitted to save himself

[@decode3667]

This. Also, I hate how there is not enough focus about the martyrs. All the priests did was downplay the influence of faith, the meaning of kindness & love. The martyrs were living in a feudal world... then comes some people preaching what they did not understand but that kindness inspired them, it gave them freedom from the oppression & atrocities of life. They were free, the martyrs discovered their own personal Christ to be free & alive forever.

[@ensen9496]

But Rodrigo was willing to be humiliated and even be killed. He told the inquisitor that if he's going to hurt anyone, hurt him (Rodrigo) instead. But the inquisitors learned their mistakes that instead of killing the priests/missionaries, they'll instead kill the followers until the priest apostasize, not even when the followers apostasized. Basically the Japanese put the lives of the followers on the hand of the priest. Renounce = they live, Don't = they suffer a slow painful death. Rodrigo's main problem is his own view of christianity, he's starting to compare himself to Christ. We cannot truly and fully live the life that Jesus did when He was on earth, because we're not perfect but He is. He battled against his own thoughts, Jesus did not. Rodrigo viewed the stepping on the tablet as if he will, in his heart, betray Jesus fully, but we've got to remember that He's our Father, not just our God. A Father understands when his son makes mistakes, how much more our God the Father who is the creator of all things understand how weak the flesh and mind of a human is, that's where His grace, love and mercy always wins

[@Gantaipao]

Your defination is just one way to look at it. Which is truly not the truth. Despite Rodriguez want to be like the Jesus and want to suffer. He wanted an answer which in the end wanted to be die with the followers but the inquisitors knows that killing him won't do good instead they want to turn around it so that the followers look at their priest defeats and let the Christianity die itself. You could compare a direct parallel That Jesus had to suffered physical pain and Rodriguez had to suffered emotional pain.

[@UN1VERS3S]

@@Gantaipao Jesus also suffered emotional pain. He was mocked and spitted upon. A soldier told him that if he really was the Son of God, he can climb down on the cross. He was betrayed by one of his apostles.

[@sennasobeilo106]

"The man is more confused than Amy Adams not getting an Oscar nomination"; damn that was stone cold. (She should have at least been nominated though. Nocturnal Animals AND Arrival? Come on!)

[@sennasobeilo106]

I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. While Susan (Nocturnal Animals) is reluctant to face the consequences of her own destruction, Louise (Arrival) accepts the consequences and dangers of the love she's willing to give. Despite that, Amy Adams should have at least been nominated for one of the two since both movies rely largely on the characters Amy Adams plays.

[@ProtestantsRUs]

Sneak A Peek Nah, she was awkward and boring in arrival and all she did in nocturnal was read a book.

[@onewinter9411]

she's good. But nominated for Oscar? For those two movies? Nope.

[@ulizez89]

just give that girl an oscar!!!!!!!!!!! she deserve it!

[@zacharyg7309]

Interesting! Bible: where it says "Deny Me before man, I'll deny you". That always comes to my mind.

[@jeronjoseph5691]

Zachary Gerig no priest is denying god

[@ckhpersonal670]

that context is deny to avoid shame, not torture of others. its selfishness, not selflessness that god rejects

[@introverthoney8876]

@Squirt pussy Assfart, Calm down, dude.

[@introverthoney8876]

Father Rodriguez is not responsible for the sadistic acts of the Japanese rulers.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

​@@introverthoney8876 He never was. This just makes them even more devilish

[@CriticalEatsJapan]

I thought that cross that his wife slipped in at the end showed that even though he denied his faith, the Japanese in hiding were the ones willing to die for it, as she was one of those who had remained steadfast, not him...

[@Daniel-Rosa.]

Critical Eats Japan interesting possibility. I just can't shake off my certainty that it is not intended by the film.

[@CrowzEye]

Don’t agree with this, it wasn’t even shown that she slipped the cross in. I believe it was him who always kept faith despite renouncing his faith in public. There is power in the silence and a deeper spirituality.

[@miryamamar9471]

@@CrowzEye Kindly give the scene another look.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

​​@@miryamamar9471 Given that she was his wife that placed it in. I doubt he could have denied hus faith while his wife did not. Thry likely kept it secret together

[@miryamamar9471]

@@silverhawkscape2677 Interesting.

[@TeresaBaileypolymath]

Excellent commentary. I saw "Silence" and I found it unutterably sad. I could see why the missionaries broke their faith (apostatized). The circumstances were terrible. I guess what I heard in the silence was that Christ understood that humans are fallible and that's why they need to be forgiven when they abandon their faith. As a Buddhist myself, It didn't seem like a lovely story of redemption. It was a horror story of what happens when you lose your faith completely.

[@Gantaipao]

Well, as a Christ follower let me correct. One thing. Christ & God already know that human need to be forgiven that's why he sent his only son in human form to be the bridge b/w Him (The Lord) and Human. He is the way... So, Forgiveness is easily done just by asking forgiveness and admiting as Christ as the savior. That's the most important. Plus, in the movie abandoned was more like they suppressed by not showing because for others. One more I have to add :- Statues etc does not mean nothing (written in Bible) so step it or not formality or not it's more towards the person perspective than The Lord because Lord never wanted a statue or idolized figures of any kind etc (written in Bible). In conclusion :- God has nothing to do with human materialistic things he only need is from us that we love him and have faith in him (yes not to show other you can secretly do it because this is also written in Bible that prayer and worshiping can be done alone inside a lock room than showing someone else that you do this stuff).

[@introverthoney8876]

@Teresa Bailey, Fr. Rodriguez didn’t lose his faith, he believed in secret. Of course, this is a fictional story based on true events of the oppression of Christians in Japan at that time.

[@boolocklock]

As a Catholic I really found this film to be excellent. I didn't have much problems with the running time or the scenes of torture at all. Maybe the film was released too late for the academy to recognize it which is unfortunate. I also like how this film challenges you and how you're following this journey father Rodrigues goes on. Anyway I think this video is great.

[@Add183]

Ian Bulaclac so? That doesn't matter one bit at all. You don't speak for all Catholics you speak for the only one who cares,YOU

[@nariko47]

Well... as a Catholic, it should bother you. The priest should not have stepped on the image/cross in order to save people. He should have kept true to his faith - because he himself IS NOT killing those people, the Japanese doing the killing were. They would have been martyrs

[@muleilahmunnalulah6875]

I cried most of the time... I wanted to give my priest to watch it too.. 😭😭😭 I am Catholic too

[@vaporosoez]

@@nariko47 perhaps you are missing another point. They were told politely we do not want you here nd yet they came. The spiritual leaders spoke of the Japanese as being heathens and less than without even knowing or understanding them as a people. Japanese could foresee religion being divisive to their culture.

[@nariko47]

@@vaporosoez politely?

[@aadityabhattacharya]

this channel is becoming my new favourite ur not pretentious and have gr8 taste in movies

[@jimbobhk2009]

Garupe (Adam driver) was a much more admirable missionary in terms of keeping his faith compared to Rodrigues. Even early in the film they disagree on the idea of the villagers stepping on the image of Jesus with Garupe strongly against it and Rodrigues seeing it as just a physical act. He even dies keeping his faith while trying to save a Japanese Christian from drowning/execution.

[@Commonwealth96]

He died trying to save them, and did not save them. Rodrigues visually apostatized and saved many.

[@Triumvirate3]

@@Commonwealth96 How exactly did he “save” them? Sure, he played a role in sparing their physical lives, but they’d already apostatized; they were already damned, and in apostatizing himself, Rodrigues doomed himself to the same eternal fate. For what profiteth a man to gain the world yet lose his soul?

[@Commonwealth96]

@@Triumvirate3 Do you believe in forgiveness?

[@Triumvirate3]

@@Commonwealth96 The Bible mentions unforgivable sins. Got anymore dumb questions?

[@Commonwealth96]

@@Triumvirate3 Do you believe in forgiveness?

[@lifeofslice9864]

The message I got from this movie was "it is your ego that stands in the way.If you are able to let go of this perception that you have of yourself,others,relegion you will learn to love like Jesus did(that is to feel compassion and love for people based on the understanding that you are no different from them.We all have to face death and suffering and therefore we are all equal.since we too suffer we as humans are capable of understanding another humans suffering and hence feel compassion and love for them.)I am not a Christian.But this I feel is the kind of message that truly embodies what Jesus lived for.He never thought he was the son of God and thus above all other people.He too was a human who suffered and eventually died like the rest of us.

[@wyattruehling6344]

Never thought he was the Son of God? Lol what? There are multiple biblical verses from different books of Him proclaiming that he was. Other than that random made up notion this was a great post and otherwise well thought out

[@introverthoney8876]

@Ramith Nanayakkara, You are wrong. You are so very, very wrong.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Umm. He literally said it himself. Christ said he was the Son of God.

[@aadityabhattacharya]

I am a hindu and I fucking loved this film because they talked about there idea and poi of there belief

[@Aragorn522]

i am an atheist and i loved this movie as well. But.... are we willing to address the facts here?... the damage of the new affirmative action rules in the academy awards that made possible, that a movie like moonlight, or even hidden figures, that, while good, BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE to silence, got nominated instead of this masterpiece?

[@aadityabhattacharya]

Aragorn522 moonlight was good but overdirected in my opinion and hidden figures is hollywood feel good crap

[@mohamednouadria8400]

Aragorn522 i know right! i was really disappointed when i knew that it was nominated for cinematography only, but politics and society issues are what matters now instead of the quality of the work

[@mohamednouadria8400]

Aragorn522 i know right! i was really disappointed when i knew that it was nominated for cinematography only, but politics and society issues are what matters now instead of the quality of the work

[@Eazy712]

I like to think kichijiro was God's presence all along Rodrigues suffering

[@introverthoney8876]

@Eazy J, Fr Rodriguez didn’t seek forgiveness like the other guy, and continued working for the oppressive, anti-Christian government.

[@amazingcommenter]

Japan knew how conquest works, so they knew how to stop it too. That's exactly how and what they did the other countries they occupied (even before WW1 and 2). They forced them to renounce their culture and language and learn Japanese.

[@historicalshit]

atz show is on my notification list. Your videos come to me first because I'm your biggest fan!! 🙌

[@TheAtZShow]

Thanks Dylan! 👊

[@demonizer133]

So...I'm not sure if you meant for the ending to be ambiguous or not, but I'm very confused: you open the video saying that Rodrigues failed, and yet at the end you state that he finally learned to love like Jesus. Wouldn't that then make him successful, at least inasmuch as that he found true faith in his heart, even if he doesn't spread that faith? (And why do you call Scorsese Marty!? That's so annoying!! Hahaha. I still enjoyed the video though)

[@supercoolbrian]

Good review with excellent sources for commentary!

[@ThelegendofxeroBlogspotGo]

i hear a lot of things on youtube that cover issues within Christianity, but this was the best i've seen. Thanks for you honesty and brilliance in this analysis. Will share for sure.

[@FernandoPastorino]

Thanks for your video, I'm thankful someone made the effort to put himself out of his beliefs to understand the movie, cheers!

[@InsertDisc2tv]

Super well done video, thanks for posting

[@kevfoda]

I fully agree with you! Thanks for the video. I have been saying the same to others

[@TheAtZShow]

Glad to hear others see it the same way!

[@MelloPintor]

You gutsy tackling this subject fully knowing the trolling it's going to bring lol having said that, great commentary dude, this is good listening for a change, most movies dudes either talking this on a very light way or use humor to be able to shield themselves from shit, you took a serious approach and did a really good job, thanks

[@PersianMonkeyStudios]

Great vid! Loved the movie!

[@RGMRT]

I'm Subscribing because of this. Great Video!!

[@markdenman8644]

Awesome video! It's so sad that this movie isn't getting the exposure it deserves.

[@TheAtZShow]

Guess people prefer Leo popping ludes than asians chopping dudes

[@khalilalotaibi6453]

Best channel, literally THE BEST

[@cinemadrew]

you hit the nail on the head. Great video

[@Collsy100]

Great video! Thanks for talking about religion as a theme so tactfully. This film was fascinating to me and it's unfortunate that it hasn't gotten more attention.

[@TheAtZShow]

It definitely spawns an interesting discussion! Any other religious-themed films that stand out to you?

[@royoncelluloid4813]

This was really good. Nice work man.

[@TheAtZShow]

Thanks Roy!

[@auctor11]

Great Review mate! Bravo!

[@TheAtZShow]

Thanks Andrey!

[@zashifield4328]

i didn't even notice the music scoring or the cinematography...i just felt that it was so real. i was just crying the moment the 2 priests got into the boat until the end. It's really different if you're just watching it for entertainment and watching it as a requirement for a church history subject. It just felt so real. The pain, the dilemma, the anger. You'll get the feels of the early christians. 😭😭😭

[@daniels8033]

Very well put together.

[@TheShapingSickness]

Incredible review man, first video I see from your channel. Really in depth and accurate. I didn't really liked the very last scene with the cross, that's the only thing I didn't like, mainly because I like open endings.

[@Leinimuniz]

really like this video, very informative

[@TheAtZShow]

Thanks for watching Leiny!

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

You have to understand that in Christianity it is taught that even if we die the earthly death, as long as we believe and follow Jesus Christ, we will live in Him forever.

[@iceman96]

Can anyone explain the last line he said?

[@jehutyinp]

I definitely encourage anyone to read the original book it really goes into detail rodrigo's Thoughts during his time. something interesting i thought was how One's belief has to evolve over time. The idea that stepping on the stone of jesus was considered so bad yet in the end it was inevitable. was it bad ? its almost challenging ones beliefs in the ideas of beliefs and rules as being figurative or literal. this isnt the most accurate description. but hopefully you understand what im trying to say.

[@jamaicaguanzon6716]

Wow, your good share and overall explanation of the movie deserves a highlighted THANK YOU! And i honestly appreciate the wisdom of that part you mentioned about our will versus God's will. Personally hoping for God's forgiveness about it pleading guilty as charged. Please pray for my family that God may always be with them without me. Thank You and pbwy!

[@Calamity_Joe]

Loved your review and gained a subbed from me I gotta ask though is this a must see movie for me based upon your opinion?

[@ScooterFredL]

Frances Andrew Lugo watch it

[@Gridironwarplans]

Brilliant! im a christian who couldnt understand this movie but now do. Also...the soldier reference. Where did you get that? I heard another youtuber say it

[@ricardomurillo5205]

GridironWarPlans He took it from another review I also saw. However it is a very bad analogy. He clearly does not know Japanese culture or history. Japan not only was never colonized it wanted itself to colonize china and korea. It took two nukes , a declaration of war from Russia plus the capitulation of its axis allies to finally give in during WW2. I studied 3 years the language and have family living there. They are not your African or American country you could humiliate, enslave its people and even torture into christianity. You cannot even write your name with traditional hiragana or kanji characters. You as a foreigner can only write your name in katakana, an alphabet designed for foreign words.

[@CrowzEye]

I agree with a lot of what you say, however in this scenario failing in your faith is actually being successful. Rodrigues realised it was pride and ego clouding faith and it is not about renouncing god in public as losing your faith but practicing in the silence which determines a deeper spiritual being of faith. So therefore it is a positive testament of faith

[@julius_lewis]

That was an excellent analysis. Rodriguez was definitely not a hero in my eyes. All the pain and suffering was in vain. The TRUE Christians were those poor Japanese farmers who were martyrs for Christ. They're the real heroes.

[@ProtestantsRUs]

I'm glad you realized this. Alot of people think that was Jesus's voice at the end, and I'm like omg open the Bible. I agree this is tackles Christian themes WAY better than something like God's Not Dead, but as a film, It was cyclic, needed some music and was way too long. Now I haven't seen the Last Temptation of Christ but is there not a sex scene with Jesus and Mary Magdalene? How on earth does that show Jesus overcoming temptation? It's pretty easy to see why the Catholic Church had a problem with that...

[@Palmieres]

Wesley Tomsky In The Last Temptation the sex scene is not real, but rather an hallucination Jesus has while on the cross, where he is presented with the possibility of escaping the crucifixion (via miracle), fall in love, get married and have a family as a normal rabi would. But for that to happen he would need to renounce his role as humanity's saviour. And he doesn't, he accepts the sacrifice instead. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but I think that was a brilliant thought exercise and proof that belief can be incredibly powerful.

[@cassidym.7687]

would love a review and your take/explanation of detour (2016). it's not a perfect film by any means but i think you'll find it really interestin

[@TheAtZShow]

I'll make sure to add it to my watchlist!

[@michaeldenobile5621]

FYI: Ciaran Hinds is the "Voice of Christ" in the film.

[@paulstabell9342]

Great work with this analysis! One thing you didn't touch on, though, is the theme of misplaced trust in tangible, religious objects (i.e. the cross) as opposed to Jesus Christ. The final shot seems to take advantage of this. We assume he's still a Christian because, in death, he clings to this religious symbol. But I wonder if this is a false assumption. Even if his identity as a priest remained a part of him even in death, this does not mean his personal faith remained. In one interview Scorsese mentions how symbols and rituals can be comforting, but they in themselves are not markers of a real, personal faith. It seems to me that Baron's basic assumption here is false, or at least incomplete. What do you think?

[@TheAtZShow]

I 100% agree. Many times it seems to turn into idolatry when the main focus should be on the figure. Sure, your outward appearance may display one thing but it's your actions and spirit that determine who you really are.

[@gori11afingers]

I thought it was just a visual indicator that he privately practised his religion in his heart/mind

[@tommyctl1937]

Watch Josh Keefe's take on Silence for a more elaborate analysis of the film, he also provides a greater insight that's majorly overlooked.

[@tesnimguesmi6087]

I'm an atheist and I found the movie awesome! I could feel all his feelings and struggles. By me, that's THE ingredient for a successful movie: emotional attachement to the movie..

[@fernman2162]

To serve the Lord is to have fortitude, courage and fear the Lord when tested. It's not easy. Compare the Priests to those Japanese dying for the faith. Saying that, these missionaries are hard chargers, but in the end they did lose. Can you imagine if all of these priests failed elsewhere, the Christ message would not be as meaningful. For me, Im happy that it didn't. Tragic film and story. However God has unimaginable mercy.

[@chernoalpha0481]

since when you show your face man! great video!!

[@TheAtZShow]

On and off lol. Fixed the setup so will have more coming soon.

[@seanthomas4625]

I noticed 3 hard to answer and big issues in the movie : Our behaviors and our limitations 2. our love and care for others 3. why Jesus was and is Jesus

[@tokyozardoz]

Thanks for the analysis! What you said makes a lot of sense about this masterpiece of a movie. I only disagree on one point. I thought the movie was deeply subversive in regard to the institution of organized religion. The Jesuits go into Japan with very arrogant notions of how what are really the trappings of their religion are based on reason and are universal. But we understand from the standpoint of Japan how bizarre and absurd these ideas seem. I live in Japan now, so this point really resonated with me.

[@emmanuelskitchenxbeats2134]

Blessings

[@peterglover1271]

I’m not a religious person but I found this film interesting from a historical perspective.

[@jayshen84]

What if Rodrigues just said: " Let me leave Japan?"

[@junfrias9188]

'SILENCE' is Martys redemption to the 'Last Temptation of Christ'..Religious faith is relative..Its not what Father Rodriguez did to save his brothers, dying of torture, but his gesture at the end of the film , is what defined him...

[@atlasgnawazen]

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[@ryublueblanka]

The real world has a way of testing everything you think you believe. This movie had a ton of depth and meaning to me because of my own personal experience of chasing Jesus and attempting to be Jesus. The sun/son should wake many up. Also...It reminded me of the first time I saw and understood the main symbol of Jesus(him being on a cross suffering and or dead) as being a WARNING.

[@theguardian6464]

Fr. Rodrigez looks exactly like Daniel Levi

[@emmanuelskitchenxbeats2134]

God bless

[@tylerschroeder6063]

I found the movie to be sinister, systematically dismantling the faith of believers, to the point of losing the faith. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. -Matthew 16:25

[@ZuShin]

Well he didnt break the commandment of murder. So maybe he didnt fail. He had the hostages lives in his hand and he chose to sacrifice his faith for those peoples lives. Therefore he made his choice out of the love of humanity. Maybe that was the test?

[@Gantaipao]

I want to answer these things about Bible which you can use to interpret with the Movie. 1) We ask for Forgiveness and Admit that Christ is our savior. That's all. Yes, any kind of sin can be forgiven it just you have to truly admit about your confession to God. 2) God doesn't like statues, idolizing etc (written in Bible) he only want your love and faith. That's all. So all those formalities of us having statues or symbols means nothing to him. I guess these 2 point is the most important. There can be said many more but leaving these 2 because alot of people are taking in a wrong way.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

Is this a video that debates God's existence or whether religion is right or wrong?

[@genesisp3884]

As a Christian, I loved the movie until the ending. If he would have realized his mistake in the end and come back to the faith in public, I would have appreciated it more.

[@timetheproducer]

thats why its called silence

[@darylsookun6978]

I very much agree with your views about the Portuguese Jesuit Missionaries during the rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate. Watch the miniseries of Shōgun or read the novel, it emphasises the points made in this video.

[@awakenow7147]

I agree. Shogun is a more accurate portrayal of things.

[@KillerFaceification]

I used to be a fundamentalist Christian, but I have since become an agnostic. I watched this movie during my deconstruction phase and it affected me a lot. Here's my blog about it - usojoeblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/silence-2017-movie-review/

[@jqyhlmnp]

Da cinnamon tography looks really nice

[@TheAtZShow]

Don't froget da acteeng too

[@kdesperado6529]

Hi

[@roquevillafranca4018]

Such a good analysis. The priests failed.

[@junhaozheng5692]

This film main theme is you denying God before men. What does that kind of Faith makes you? Lost men of god. Hidden Faith that like lanterns not to shine on others but closed, will eventually died out. But is such men eventually really died in God's eyes? Its uncertain, thats the message implied. And the lesson is no men should bear the weight of someone elses death. The hidden death trap the japanese laid out was not killing them instantly, but instead makes them with weak Faith to step christ images, promising them free life, but then still torture them anyway in front of the Priest so that that the Priest feeling guilty of innocent lives being tortured despite their denouncing of christ. That is Cruel. Either way the japanese wins, whether they insisting, it makes the civils hates Priest or the Priest denouncing christ, then the civils see the example. Because the danger lies on the church politic will eventually creeping on japan, that would be disastrous for that nation. More christian means more padres coming, and eventually the death of a tradition and politic shifting. Thats why japanese saw it dangerous, not christ but the churches influences.

[@alexanderhawk2659]

It is not believable that a priest on a dangerous mission suddenly starts telling people to renounce christ to end their suffering because he is so concerned for their well being. He would have known that they would be dammed and that fate is far worse. It's one thing to renounce under duress of pain, it's another to tell others that earthy life is more important then the afterlife. This is not a belivable senario. He is not like Peter. He never repents and comes back to Christ, unlike Kichicheroo. I was waiting for some sort of saving grace in the end ,which never came. This is a terrible film, and I cant understood how can Catholics embrace this apostasy glorification.

[@decode3667]

Your example of Peter is kinda contradicting. Peter renounced Christ before others, three times. Peter was a broken man, like the main character... but faith & Christ is to bring death to such broken men, to give them life through humility & kindness. Like Christ did with Peter.

[@jerryuallera3437]

Silence is not a film about Christianity, simply tells us the story of a sad human failure. I say that is not Christian because lacks one fundamental thing wich is HOPE. The only thing present in the film is instead DOUBT, which is also common to Christianity, but only until the moment in wich you are called to take a choice between faith in Jesus and disbelief. That's it. In Silence DOUBT is not overcomed by an act of faith, instead until the very end of the movie the only thing that lasts is this feeling of incertitude and as just sad doubt. This lead me to say that there is very little of the "Christian feeling" in this film, in his protagonist and in his filmmaker. Unfortunatly it is very much a JESUITIC film, in the sense that it confuses FAITH with simples wanderings around God, wich only few times can lead you to Him.

[@jeronjoseph5691]

Jerry Uallera the Jesuit faith is one of the best

[@jathushankar2550]

There was hope in the beginning. But when there is so much suffering around there is doubt naturally

[@tribudeuno]

I don't know about Roman Catholic missionaries, but modern missionaries would not just barge into another culture like bulls in a china shop. They would spend time with the culture, learn about the indigenous religions and myths. They would operate under the presupposition that the culture was pre-prepared in their religions and myths with analogies into which the message of the gospel can be related. The old thing of missionaries assuming that all the belief systems of other cultures are of the Devil®, therefore need to be aggressively supplanted are not so much the SOP of current missionaries. Americans are control freaks, so it isn't very unusual to find pastors and television evangelists there that are controlling and accusing of non-believers. I think that a better example of a missionary tale was The Mission (Jeremy Irons and Robert De Niro), the true story of Jesuits in South America going to the indigenous, and being swept away by the crosscurrents of European politics. Touching on the themes that were pertinent to the time when the movie was made, that of Liberation Theology... No, I don't identify myself specifically as a Christian. I am everyone who identifies themselves as a Christian, I am everyone who does not identify themselves as a Christian, I am everyone. GAME OVER... "He who sees himself as everything is fit to be guardian of the world. He who loves himself as everyone is fit to be teacher of this world"... Tao Te Ching

[@zashifield4328]

This may not be a true story but it was the story of the early christians and until now this is still happening in some countries where christianity isn't welcome.

[@scotticus80]

"Silence" taught me that many people are willing to die to defend their ego.

[@plutuspetlove]

I feel to save others being tortured Rodriguez renounced his faith and thats what the word teaches us to help one another and help more than what one can do for himself and also jesus died already for all of humanity and he would want the same thing for us to help others even in the risk of Rodriguez bringing judgement on himself. Its also mentioned in the book that our belief shall be within and not into images and idols of jesus so therefore even if he is stepping on jesus image the faith should b in his heart. One more thing Rodriguez was ready and asked to bring the torture in the pit to himself but instead more lives were tortured there instead of himself and to save them he did what was needed to be done earlier. . . Anyone if iam wrong please iam open to hear your views on that!?

[@elyastoohey6621]

I think you're very wrong with your interpretation. Our main character isn't a hero. But he's not a martyr. I think he actually realises by the end the jesuits were wrong, and that proselytizing isn't some noble act. That his faith is his alone.

[@Keepmovingson]

Jesus sacrificed himself for others. Rodriguez wishes to be like Jesus and sacrifice himself for others; however the only thing he is able to sacrifice is his faith yet he will not. He then finally learns what it means to truly love.

[@MrZocan]

PORTUGAL CARALHO!!!!

[@BMG060981]

Rodriguez did fail when he chose to be a priest.

[@achhuanarenthlei4972]

It showed how by losing, you are winning and that was what Jesus did.... He lost and died but that was the only way to win

[@bnythecoolguy6296]

This guy is missing the extremely beautiful point of the movie. Stepping on his own religion to be Christlike is the point. The principals you are talking about are a black and white/absolute mindset-something that so many Catholics and Christians are stuck on.

[@Triumvirate3]

Lol that’s not beautiful-that’s tragic, and you lack the sense to realize this basic truth.

[@thatonegirlazu9847]

The day you find your true self is the day you find god

[@flapjacknanoda]

I watched half of the film, it has a strong message but for me most people are getting the wrong idea. To die a martyr is the perfect thing you can do as a Christian. We are called to live in the faith and to forgive those who hurt us. What they did to the Japanese faithful and the priest is unjust but they helped them to the impossible which is dying for their faith. They wouldn’t do that if they had faith in god. Because to die is Truely better to be with god

[@angelmaloney5480]

If anybody takes offense to what I'm about to say. I truly apologize and it's not my intentions. I just want to make this clear first. I believe in God for my own [personal reasons and experiences]. But I'm not a religious person ✋Let me explain. I believe in a higher power then myself. And I choose to call him,her,it God. But if it makes [you] the reader feel better I'll call him,her, it... fluffy pants. I don't believe in [religious teachings]. Meaning I believe that I shouldn't have to do certain rituals to please God or.... for lack of a better word hate certain groups of people just because they call God or [fluffy pants] by a different name. And yes I know that's not the only reason why they hate. With that being said, I think your missing the point AtZ. And being a little biased. The point being no matter how they [think] they "broke you". God knows what's true in your heart, oh I apologize fluffy pants....P.S he doesn't step on it cuz he chooses the mortal world over his faith. He does it cuz God told him it's alright so is to stop the suffering of others.♯☮❤🤘

[@benquinney2]

Innocent suffering

[@cydra-evolution5623]

Jesus washed a kings feet.

[@aadityabhattacharya]

Silence might be Scorcese's best film of since Casino, and like casino the violence and extreme characteres make people uncomfortable and pc r not watching it as christian propaganda and general faith based audience r to narrow minded to like this film so it flop in box office,

[@TheAtZShow]

Your last sentence is sadly so true.

[@Dsmooth753youtube]

what kind of Christian are you? I'm a Baptist.

[@TheAtZShow]

Can't say I have a specific label. I just read the Bible and follow it, not a specific church.

[@Dsmooth753youtube]

The AtZ Show King James version?..

[@felyp3able]

On colonialism, the churches came after the conquest, not before

[@brendancoulter5761]

Depends on which one you are talking about, but conflating the two is wrong. The Church is always spreading itself, both to colonized and non colonized regions. Obviously its easier and often faster to do it in colonized but that does not mean the religion caused the colonization or vise versa. The example of Japan kinda proves the point, Japan was never colonized, yet its culture did shift to a more western fashion over time. As far as I know Christianity was always a small minority in Japan and Japan was never colonized.

[@tadeuszjaworski7170]

The implied(?) unintended (?) message of the book and the film is a falsification of Christ teaching .Our Saviour never praised apostasy -under any circumstances. The apostasy veiled in compassion serves to create a caricature of Christianity - as mistaken stubborn, irrational ideology, caricature eagerly welcomed nowadays by left oriented audience. It is no surprise therefore that while Christian culture is now conveniently ignored - this particular movie is ...somehow not:) It serves well to dilute and perfidiously distort what the core of Christianity is - fidelity to Christ. By apostatising the priest simply sinned -and turned his life into vegetative state. Those who were responsible for tortures were those who inflicted them -not the missionaries .

[@vulpixelful]

If I was still a Christian, I doubt I would've seen any victory in this. While it is a movie challenging the viewer on a personal level, the Christian idea is smiling at the idea of martyrdom. Scorsese was just calling middle-class Christians out.

[@awakenow7147]

Which is funny because Scorsese is a rich Christian. haha

[@ricardomurillo5205]

You failed to explain the context and thus arrive to a false and very ignorant conclusion that Rodrigues failed. You do not understand Japan and you slept through history class. It took two nukes, capitulation of its major allies, a Russian declaration of war and endless bombing to stop them in Ww2. And even then the US did not dare to hang its emperor like they were doing in Germany with top leaders. Rodrigues did not exactly fail, he underestimated the Japanese elite's resolve and intelligence. I studied 3 years japanese, went there 2wice and have family living in Japan. Remember that Japan is not your Latinamerican or African country, never was strictly colonized like China next door. Those priests were not there to find Ferreira because they could have just said that to the Japanese, paid some ransom to take him back home. they were there for their ambition to also make Japan christian so your soldier behind enemy lines analogy does not work. Try more the Vietnamese war. After the Chinese and French had failed to control it the Americans still went there to get their ass kicked out despite the US military superiority in numbers and technology. The US did not fail as a country but failed to understand Vietnamese historical resolve to defend to their last man.

[@NaveenKumarErroju]

This movie is a master piece. This isn't sad for me at all. I'm so happy to watch this movie atleast after years of it's release. Being an athiest, I watched 'silence' and learned a lot of things. Rodriguez believes that Jesus is his God. But we can see his situations changing and fading his faith right from his first meal in Japan. Japan kills people believing Buddhism. Movie is picturize in Christianity point of view. I saw the story conveyed few points in Buddhism point of view which accually makes sense. People died for believing in Jesus. Why would God be so silent? He should answer. When did he answered? Never. Because there is nothing like God. It's just some imaginary creators who never exist. After Rodriguez converting into Buddhism, he is not so sinned. He is so sad for what he done ofcource. But what happened to his sin? If there is no sin? What are those Christians died for? Nothing. Scilent

[@vaporosoez]

And it is a story of a people who DONT WANT TO BE CONVERTED. Guest you are not welcome here because you are a rude guest

[@okapi3202]

It's way more complicated than that. Many Japanese wanted to practice their faith. Many of the powerful in Japan (Samurai) didn't like the Western influence of Christianity, and were also brutal. Nagasaki is a major city for Japanese Christians for centuries. 🙂