Silent Hill 2 Maria Comparison (Remake vs Original)

[@abeaconintheoffice]

It's the eyes, The 'missing' shadows over Maria's eyes made her seem more demonic... if that makes sense. The better lighting of the Remake took it away.

[@gabrielguerra8311]

the eyes, the stiff pose, the almost nonexistant movement from her body when talking.

[@anthonyhawthorne3450]

It's because these devs don't have a artistic understanding of storytelling, their just trying to replicate what's already been done.

[@fucktheface444]

Shuuuuut up

[@fucktheface444]

​@anthonyhaand if the devs tried to do something different, you guys just bitch

[@Ico_]

I do know it is a game.. But let's be real for a second. If you were James. Which one "Mary" would you trust more? The one that looks demonic from the OG, or the one on the remake? The tone is different, but if anything it does add credibility. To a certain extent.

[@lostcrusader8053]

The phrase, “See… I’m real.” Has a different tone. The remake gives that sad tone that Maria comforts James that she is real and he doesn’t have to worry about the pain since she can ease it away. The original has that eerie vibe that Marie is aware of what James is going through his mind and plays him with deception. Making James question his reality which spirals him deeper.

[@whyamihereshorts2230]

I think the original Maria was trying to be seductive to distract james from how she alluded to knowing more than she lets on with what she said earlier, "Are you confusing me with someone else?" then that tone shifts when she says "im not your mary" affirming that she might hold distain for "mary" when she knows she the perfect girl for him then the tone shifts finally to "see im real, dont you wanna touch me?" "come and get me I cant do anything behind these bars." I think the remake lacks the cadence to allude to that which is unfortunate but like not story ruining

[@CheekyProfit]

@@whyamihereshorts2230 IMO the original maria was more unnerving considering how easy going she was despite last being seen getting sliced in 2 only to then get hit with whiplash when she switches back to her vixen persona. The new maria behaves in reverse with her being cold initially only to then be soothing and doesn't have that same impression as the original. She acts more like a counsellor than the reincarnation of a dead wife by an ill man. I can't help but think that they missed the mark when replicating the original dynamic.

[@VmigoStation]

I felt a tone shift especially in "I'm not your Mary". The remake gives it a more neutral and monotone feel and is a bit unsettling with how robotic and unhuman it sounds.

[@stevenwongso66]

In my opinion, the remake feels like this Maria has been gone through Born From A Wish scenario where she knows what her true purpose is through Ernest Baldwin. She wished to be real and that is why her saying "See, I am real" feels more of underlying begging to James to accept her as she is. The original, feels more Maria not yet gone through Born From A Wish scenario and thus just fulfilling her own role as James seducer to seduce him from reality to imagination. This is just my two cents on the take of the character.

[@Jwatchdizzledrip3003]

Oct 23, 2024 While yes the OG Maria does deliver that line of “See I’m real” very deceptively almost like she doesn’t care about James’s suffering since she’s supposed to be seductive, I don’t think the remake Maria was necessarily trying to comfort James as it could also very well be interpreted that she was trying to convince herself that she was real and could be everything he needed. I don’t know if the music was added by Blooper team or the video creator but the voice direction in that like foe See…I’m real gives a pause In between that Maria desperately wants to be real and to the effect, take his mind off his stresses to just focus on her like you said The OG Maria sounds more flirty and fun but the remake one in that line sounds more desperate/comforting..

[@hagoromootsutski9058]

Remake looks great. But the original CG cutscenes are like art. Edit: the number of fanboys regurgitating the same “take off your nostalgia glasses” response like NPCs is just pathetic. I played Silent Hill in 2016 and I’ve already completed the remake. I even said the remake is great, all I did was praise the original game’s CG art direction, which was directed by Takayoshi Sato. If you’re truly a fan of the series, you would know how much of a genius that man was and how much he loved psychological horror. You can’t even praise the old game anymore with fanboys coming out of the word work to say that THEIR opinion is right and YOUR opinion is wrong. How dare you prefer the original?

[@vicenlorenzocreadoraudiovi9726]

They ARE art.

[@PKM1010]

I think if you played the original back in the day you will prefer them. I prefer the ones personally.

[@SilverGeFer]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@PKM1010I also prefer the ones. Really good ones.

[@watchmehope6560]

I miss this era of graphics

[@rickydo6572]

​@@SilverGeFer The ones are everything

[@DonYurik]

The original María is still better. The face is so attractive yet unsettling, and the performance of this monologue is done like she was channeling the memories of someone else.

[@jamesmorris7844]

Because that's what's happening the voice actress for Maria and Marry is the same, so in that scene, the actress is switching between Maria and Marry's personality and voice, working on a physiological level because there's basically two people in that scene communicating thorough Maria to James and us the player.

[@realamericannegro977]

Way better

[@wrong_planet]

Better technology wielded by inferior artists.

[@Wapak95]

​@@wrong_planetKettle, pot

[@yusram8182]

@@jamesmorris7844dawg what the fuk do u even fuking yapping? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bloodCount8895]

The original "im not your Mary" has a more serious and sinister tone

[@stevenwongso66]

For me, the original "I'm not your Mary" a bit more serious and trying to "seduce" James into her reality, But in my opinion, the remake "I'm not your Mary" is more toward "Please don't make me a replacement of Mary" kind of tone, and in my opinion, it is suggesting that this Maria had gone through the truth from Born From A Wish scenario but still have enough of herself to be wanting acceptance.

[@BoostedMonkey05]

​​@@stevenwongso66 that interpretation of Maria in the second part kinda defeats the purpose of her character. Maria is not a lover of James, she is there to torment him about his wife. Her dialogue, her looks, the way she dresses, all of it pokes at James' image and guilt towards his wife. She is a character that is formed from his love, lust, and guilt.

[@stevenwongso66]

@@BoostedMonkey05 I agree with you, that she is James' punishment from Silent Hill. However, regarding the second part of my comment. In my opinion, this also can be interpreted that, Maria in Remake, is she has gone through Born From A Wish and thus has realization of her true nature but she has awareness enough to be wanting acceptance. The development interaction from Ernest is still there.

[@spazzy3054]

its too much lighting, theres no shadows around her eyes, like the orginal she was creepy and horrifyingly beautiful , resembling a Ghost. she has no sinister look, she looks too human.

[@waddlez7192]

You're 100% correct

[@jedstuhr]

maybe a detail Bloober Team overlooked?

[@Tpeaks]

yeap hit the nail on the head. silent hill 2 lighting does so much heavy lifting its a core aspect to the game. and then on top of that the gaussian blur look, adding even more of a haunting look...its an easy fix though I just hope they actually listen to the criticism.

[@shakirashipslied9721]

I think it's because they've gone with a less stylized and more realistic style for the game. I personally don't think it works for Silent Hill 2. Any of the games, really. Realistic graphics don't do it justice.

[@randybutternubs4647]

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this. SH2 is my least favorite SH game and even *I* cringe when Bloober Team misses important details like this. For what it's worth, there were a few things I appreciated about SH2 such as the music and that dark moody lighting. Especially with James's face in the beginning when he looks in the mirror. In older builds of the remake, the lighting was way too bright and his face was way too expressive. (He kinda looked like Drake Bell imo.) Glad they fixed that.

[@JiTiAr35]

No one beats Cameron Diaz.

[@lucien839]

Hell yeah, I always thought she would make an excellent Maria

[@ttenor12]

@@lucien839 That's because OG Maria was based off of Cameron Diaz for her appearance

[@falconeshield]

The master, Cameron Diaz?

[@mysterycharm03]

@@ttenor12and her style is christina aguilera's

[@watchmehope6560]

Sorry but Amanda is better. When she said "Jim is always liek dis for me" I cried

[@muhikhsan2567]

Original still better in this scene than remake

[@ckkll]

Much better

[@Xxsorafan]

The original “I’m not your Mary” is said with such disgust and bitterness I love it

[@Bike-chan]

Agree, the venom in that sole sentence was enough to prove the og is just better.

[@ChipHaven_Dan]

there is something really wrong with this scene in the remake...like is fake like is trying to capture something but is missing everything. In the original it was suposed to make you anxious about Mary's duality, and to give that restless sensation, not to mention the image completly which on purpose is darker wierder and so on. On the remake the scene is way to bright which takes a lot from the immersion

[@olivia7782]

It kinda seems like its trying to make Maria feel like a more realistic and coherent person, without realizing that's entirely antithetical to the point. She's supposed to feel bizarre, it's supposed to feel confusing and to knock you off balance, she's not supposed to feel entirely real. Bloober really feels like they put effort in all the wrong places.

[@rodri.gomez09]

If you know that Bloober Team has not worked alone. Members of Team Silent OG have been working with them, even Akira Yamaoka has added new melodies to the remake's soundtrack. I think that insisting on looking for every flaw is wanting to be too picky, Silent Hill is one of my favorite sagas and after waiting for the result of the work of Bloober Team and the guys from Team Silent, I can say that I feel calm and satisfied. I know that this remake includes things that the original game did not have, due to the graphical limitations of the time, so, if you want to complain and criticize, leave your comments to those who started Silent Hill 2. So that they can dry their tears.

[@RandomPerson28337]

The old one has more passion and emotion

[@zoeadkins9095]

The devil truly is in the details. Maybe I'm the asshole wearing rose-tinted glasses but the new depiction of Maria doesn't have any underlying, disturbing presence or menace. Monica Horgan's original performance had more depth and range as well. The difference in lighting is such a massive alteration of the tone and atmosphere as well. I'm curious to see the full thing for myself but I'm not inspired to think it'll be an improvement, as of now.

[@lewis2349]

it’s night and day isn’t it i just can’t understand people defending it. a game from2001 has more effort and technical ambition

[@olivia7782]

@@lewis2349 I guess people want to give it a chance and maybe are trying not to be too swayed by possible nostalgia goggles, but yeah when something is better its just better. I'm kinda still hoping that maybe, MAYBE, its them deliberately taking a new direction with the character, even if its one I don't like as much, and it'll become evident once we can experience the full story, but more likely its just an inferior take with no particular artistic vision behind it :/

[@lewis2349]

@@olivia7782 exactly i already know and can see the writing on the wall cut content, filler and stretched out pacing. i own the ps2 and copy of sh2 why would i wanna support these modern audiences devs.

[@loren5432]

​@@olivia7782Eh, I feel like the videogame industry as whole lacks an artistic vision because it's becoming stagnant. I mean, we're getting remakes of old popular videogames instead of ones that actually need it (why did SH2 get a remake before 1?), so what we now have is a bunch of new talents literally trying to copy a product made by people a few decades ago.

[@cybertruckeralpha]

It's not nostalgia. The original is simply better. There's no law in the universe that says the original can't be better. You don't see many people calling the Child's Play remake better than the original film. Or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. Or the Jacob's Ladder remake. The original team understood what they set out to do. Bloober doesn't, and it shows. It's really that simple.

[@Derbster1981]

It's not nostalgia, the new scenes are modern but lifeless

[@shakirashipslied9721]

why is she so STIFF in the remake.

[@erenyeager7705]

Kinda really wished It was Original Mary Actress.

[@Angry-Skeleton]

Yeah you do not know the definition of what stiff means if you think that about the remake lmafo

[@yusram8182]

inb4 the comments people saying shes looking better in the than “OG” fuk tell me does she even acting and talking there? looks like shes want to get it done asap just from the words 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yusram8182]

@@Angry-Skeletonoh shet found the one comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@derekb4977]

@@yusram8182 remakes are theft work and have been used to replace original art. I won't be buying this game.

[@eveykhan]

What bothers me is that her entire body stays completely still for the whole scene until she gets up. For real, pay attention to the body. They didn’t animate it at all lmao

[@olivia7782]

I do think it must be a choice as opposed to laziness or something, but its def not a choice I like. Mary/Maria was meant to be one of the more expressive characters, its such a weird direction making her this stiff.

[@huzidamasta]

That's deliberate

[@stormy5452]

I just watched this clip 3 times and the OG Maria's body doesn move either l, so what the fuck? Jiust her head and shoulders move like the remake. Her fucking arms, hands, and legs don't move an inch either so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[@yourfatboy5359]

​@@stormy5452you can see her legs, arms and hands slightly move, just like in real life even if you're trying your best to stay still while sitting and talking there will be some sort of movement.

[@eveykhan]

In the original scene, she leans forward subtly a couple of times. I can see that being a deliberate choice based on her demeanor on that part of the scene, which was more composed.

[@moondoor9031]

The original is perfect. Look at Maria eyes, the shadows and the way she acts like nothing unusual is happening. In the Remake her voice is very robotic and she does not try to sound sweet when she plays her Mary side. It's what we got in a new Silent Hill game, It's ok I guess.

[@dreamplace7469]

Remake is conscious and is going in the direction of how most hollywood films would approach an abstract work. and OG is unconscious and doesn't wish to tell you it's a dream.

[@lucasvosch]

excellent way to put it. Original is unintentionally uncanny, remake is too purposeful/intentional for its own good

[@lucien839]

Original Maria - captivating, mysterious, hypnotic, seductive. New Maria - bland

[@Knight21030]

Yeah, I gotta say, the OG Maria really nailed the seductive vibe.

[@mse7215]

The Remake one is ugly too, I just don't understand how can't they fine a nice good looking feminine women in gaming industry nowadays.😅

[@NirvanaGuy]

⁠@@mse7215Tf u on? The remake Maria is gorgeous.

[@刁韮勹]

totally agreed

[@takezosama]

@mse7215 I just dont understand how people like you care so much about virtual 3d models in video games. The fact that this is your main criticism out of all the bs from this remake just reeks of loser activity

[@pthemuru]

new maria: I'm 😐 not your😐 Mary 😐

[@Narwaldo]

OG Marias hair somehow looks more real than Remake Maria?

[@shakirashipslied9721]

The new hair looks like a wig that got sprayed with enough hairspray to make it indestructible, add onto that the lackluster shadows and lighting, which make it look even stiffer. She has a helmet on her head, not hair.

[@SpaceMango]

Because the old one was a pre-rendered cutscene, the new one is real time render in the game engine. It's not really comparable.

[@Narwaldo]

@@SpaceMango anything pre-rendered in 2001 is going to look worse than anything rendered in real-time in 2024. The entire first Shrek movie is pre-rendered, but it definetly doesn't look better than PS5 Spiderman? Or maybe the 2001 Final Fantasy movie would be a better comparison since it was "mind-blowingly real" at the time

[@infernoROBO]

​​@@SpaceMangolol how is it not comparable? You're meaning to tell me in game graphics in 2024 couldn't catch up to what pre rendered cutscenes look like in 2001? Gaming is truly dead at this point 😂

[@GeorgeBelmontZX]

Hardly any emotion in remake Maria/Mary.

[@drdiabetes7469]

The lack of shadow is a terrible decision. The eyes are the "windows to your soul", we as humans are evolved to look into the eyes of people and animals and get a connection or feeling from it. (Look at every single piece of art and cutscene screen grab from the original, all have shadows over the eyes.) The choice to put stark shadows over the eyes of the characters in the original was a purposeful choice, but bloober seems to have failed to realize why it was a better artistic choice to begin with and instead removed shadows there.

[@tabbofii]

The CG in the original was made by just one guy and yet it looks 10.000 times better

[@huzidamasta]

Well, technically the remake looks better (not by 10,000 though....that's a bit extreme.) I think what you mean is you prefer the look of the original, and so in that sense, it's better.

[@tabbofii]

@@huzidamasta nope, not only does the original version look better artistically but has better animation and voice acting

[@huzidamasta]

@tabbofii I'm talking strictly technical here. The remake TECHNICALLY looks superior. I mean that's incontrovertible.

[@tabbofii]

@@huzidamasta You're right. But it still hurts the eyes.

[@1gta4gta]

Still CG

[@alexanderrees7502]

To me the orignal actually looks better?? As in more realistic, which is crazy considering it was made over 20 years ago. That game terrified me when it came out.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

I also think the original is better. But don't expect to have the same feelings from before and use that to measure how good/bad the remake is. 1) The game won't surprise you in the same way as the original, you already know what will happen because it's the same story. 2) You are not a child anymore, you won't be scared in the same way, at least.

[@haiderkhan6486]

I think it's only Mary's Character model that is off in the remake. Every other character model in the remake from a technical aspect is an improvement.

[@symebosymebo7263]

@@haiderkhan6486 u think square face angela and jabba the hut eddie is an improvement? delusional as fuck

[@eightcoins4401]

I wouldn't say more realistic, its more so the original uses the lightning more atmospheric.

[@Potacintvervs]

​@@eightcoins4401 the new model itself may be more detailed, with facial capture, but the original feels more alive. Remake mary is stiff and the lighting is so flat that it kills the drama and immersion.

[@thetruephoenixful]

The realistic lighting of the remake removing the stylistic shadows makes the scene significantly less creepy. I still get chills every time i see the "Im not your Mary." Line

[@pearlydewdropsfall]

The original “I’m not your Mary” genuinely fills me with dread. It gives me the same feeling I get when I wake up and have sleep paralysis and feel the presence of something in my room. The feeling that something is off. It’s such a great delivery

[@17MinstrelsAndPeasants]

I like the original where Maria is kinda hunched forward, in a more "sympathizing" way as if she's talking to a little boy. Not sure why in the remake she's sticking her chest out, and her neck positioning looks weird. But well, it's impossible to come close to the original's perfection.

[@minoru8391]

Exactly. Even the body language is important and they missed the mark so greatly

[@17MinstrelsAndPeasants]

@@minoru8391 yes. Even the outfit, not sure why they had to overdress her and hide her charms. She is supposed to represent James' sexual repression and fantasy. She is supposed to look sexy and suggestive, not a freaking detective.

[@CheekyProfit]

@@17MinstrelsAndPeasants Yep, In the original it looked like she was the one being kept away from james due to her being a negative influence on him as a way to indulge his fantasies of mary and maintain his delusions, whereas in the remake, it's like she's the one who's visiting james to interrogate him and then tries to console him, when in the original she's trying to enchant James to help her escape her cell. It's a fundemental misunderstanding of what maria was supposed to represent of James psyche.

[@Miuranger1]

They went from the seductive route

[@17MinstrelsAndPeasants]

@@Miuranger1 but isn't that the whole reason for James murdering his wife? Not being able to fulfil his sexual fantasies because of her sickness, that would later manifest through Maria? That seems like a big chunk of the story.

[@SlayerNovelknight]

I've never seen anything more soulless in my life than this remake.

[@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem]

cry about it and take off the nostalgia classes lmfaooo

[@scarekraawthe666th4]

​@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem Most parts seem decent for what it is, a remake for the masses, but I wouldn’t let this new Maria voice/acting through even if it was a stand-alone original game. Has nothing to do with nostalgia, unfortunatly, it's just bad voice-acting (or perhaps wrongly directed).

[@SlayerNovelknight]

It feels like the remake of "Psycho". It's technically faithful to the original but it has NO soul.

[@_dibbs]

@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem tell me you havent played SH2 without actually telling me you havent played SH2. How tf are you supposed to defend this? This remake is undoubtedly going to lose a lot of nuance from the original

[@captainc00m]

Clearly haven’t looked in the mirror

[@AribellaAC]

The OG Maria will never be topped.

[@falkonsrt6000]

There is something more real about the og cutscenes, its hard to describe

[@HeartTheEternal]

OG Maria could just stare at you, not say a word and you already feel the tension. Remake Maria is... well ... She just doesn't draw you in.

[@twinku1]

I keep saying this - the voice direction in this game is just sooo off.

[@BK-201]

You are 100% right and I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion. because most people are simply toxic positive and like everything they see, screaming "shut up and take my money!" 🫠

[@flowrepins6663]

There is no reason to buy or want a remake sh2 is perfect nothing will be better

[@ironrex6979]

It’s ugly in multiple levels and lacks subtlety. Might have better technology (graphics) sure but it’s just empty.

[@jesspeed]

The new one just makes me wanna walk away. She has that annoying arrogant tone that just pisses me off. She’s not drawing me in, she’s drawing me out

[@luism4822]

The old one has kinda darker vibe. It makes it creepier. The new one looks fine , but the old one is perfection haha.

[@DontE8]

Me I love some remakes but not this one, I prefer the original despite never having played Silent Hill.

[@HeitorJlbc2601]

Konami: Art direction? Who cares? We got graphics.

[@juanrubio6132]

Original 10 times better.

[@ZachCK]

Hard to improve on perfection.

[@bradIeyscarreviews]

Keep complaining

[@hornypony2862]

Dont worry, its only matter of time when modders will made mods with original character models in high res and old va sounds, town looks great already

[@F11-c1u]

Na don't like it at all.

[@F11-c1u]

Better graphics, better voice.

[@GoatJesus]

Graphics aside, the performance is weaker. In the original Maria swaps between her "Maria" persona (sultry and cold) and her "Mary" persona. The "James Honey" lines come across almost mockingly or saccarine. And by the end she's flipped back to Maria. In this new one the actor reads everything flat and there's no sense of the personas shifting. Its much worse for it.

[@julysolace3443]

The og takes this scene, og Maria makes you feels like she is trying to comfort you but at the same time talking down on you and the lighting makes you feel uncomfortable, remake Maria was just talking down on you but coming out tone deaf and flat and the lighting is missing.

[@yifuwang2275]

Yeah the talking down feeling is so true

[@zhenghongliu1363]

That new leather jacket makes Maria feel different..

[@scal2710]

I’ve never play a single silent hill game before so I’m kinda fresh to the series. But am I the only one who think the og one is way better at voice acting and atmosphere and crepier than the new trailer? I’ll still give the remake a try when it’s come out tho

[@blakevirtonis8567]

You're not the only one. New Maria's acting is so dull. OG Maria reminds you every second she's evil af

[@shadowboy2818]

I'm in a similar place too. I only played the beginning of the first game. And no, I also think the voice acting is a million times better in the OG.

[@perla1931]

You saw a trailer with no music and no context, wait to judge

[@HeartTheEternal]

In the OG Maria is suppose to be playing on Jame's Lust mixed with other things/reasons... They sugar coated a lot of what's meant to be sexual and alluring. Don't know if its because they hired a DEI consultant thing (which is why you'll find old fans upset), or if its the actress own way of playing Maria. Not sure, but like i said, they "vanilla" out a lot of things just because they thought Team Silent did it for boys to have a hard on. When in fact it was purposely done for a crucial element that is suppose to make you have that sexual conflict after you find out exactly what happened in the end.

[@perla1931]

@@HeartTheEternal I am sure they understand that, it is not really dificult to understand and everybody that have played the game gets it, maybe they do like resident evil and they put a dlc to unlock the original outfit or when you beat the game, who knows, I like the new outfit and I think it does its purpuse but of course the original is more Iconic

[@SandiaConJamon]

This scene is foundational, and they’ve messed it up. It’s the first and only moment where Maria starts as Mary, then shifts to Maria’s seductive tone, and finally reveals herself completely with "I am not your Mary." It’s the moment we witness the duality of the character, which makes it so uncomfortable and terrifying. Now, she’s serious the entire time, without Mary’s warmth or Maria’s seduction and flirtation. Someone at Bloober Team clearly doesn’t understand what Silent Hill 2 is about. Very disappointed.

[@gurukutungumokotochongo8057]

It appears nobody at Bloober Team or Konami understands shit about SH2.

[@BondsProduction]

100% agree

[@Gryphondork.]

Me too. I don’t think the actress did a bad job but the delivery is so messed up she was obviously directed badly. Edit: After actually playing the game I will say she did a phenomenal job at portraying Maria in her own way and i think the remake is amazing and very respectful to the original

[@azertyuiopqsdfghjklm]

stop being dramatic, you're being ridiculous

[@josevictor2229]

Even tho I think the positioning of Mary in the Remake is more sensual, imposing and dominant, the stiffness compared to the natural movements of the original and the clearly more professional voice acting in the PS2 version makes this remake looks really amateur, the characters don't have any memorable presence. The uncanniness of the professionalism in a 2001 game is what always sold Silent Hill 2 for me, it was such a contrast with the very basic gameplay, which is the only think really welcomed in this remake. But even that smells like amateurism, just like everything else.

[@kiirosoleil]

The way she sits there just looks so... stiff. Doesnt fit at all; the body language is off. And why does she sound so bored? I think Maria's voice bothers me the most from the entire remake. Everything else actually looks great for the most part... Too bad they screwed up on something this major. Wonder if they'll still change something now... I'm glad they reworked James' model, he looks really good.

[@SNESfan8]

She does look stiff but I think they did that on purpose.. to make her look unnatural… i also feel James walk animation is a bit stiff also .. like he’s cold or something .. but it’s not a big deal… it’s like the only gripes I have right now .. everything else looks good imo

[@gabrielguerra8311]

yeap, she is basically an old disney animatronic that got the stuck below the neck... I dont get how they made such obvious mistakes, its like, ok, you can land this thing... naaaah, we have done enough already, this scene is just a cheklist item.

[@fernandolyrio1495]

Yeah, she sounds like she's reading off the menu

[@gabrielguerra8311]

@@SNESfan8 theres different types of unnatural. One makes you think, this Is otherwordly, supernatural. This one makes you think, this Is a badly done animation...

[@eightcoins4401]

Shes just as stiff in the original. Though its easier to excuse on the ps2 than on modern consoles/pc.

[@SolidRaiden2655]

Its crazy that developers with technology from almost 23 years ago were able to produce way better animations and lighting than in this "remake"

[@Life_and_Gaming]

What in the world does putting remake in quotes even mean here? The word remake has no positive or negative connotations inherent to it. It meant nothing whatsoever to do that. Am I nitpicking your comment by saying this? Well, no more than you are this remake.

[@SolidRaiden2655]

​@@Life_and_Gaming Well in a rolling stone article the lead dev even said he avoids the term remake. Even the devs are pretty much saying it.

[@AntiRiku]

​@@SolidRaiden2655 I feel like we should start calling them revisions, as that's what most of these modern remakes end up being.

[@ironrex6979]

You summed up all modern remakes in a nutshell

[@pearlydewdropsfall]

Welcome to the world of Indian modelers and animators

[@MMAproAtGOLF]

Original girl better

[@DreamQueenZzZ]

they had one job... how are you gonna mess up my maria like that...

[@luizpaulo5472]

her face model is giving “generic NPC” vibes on the remake. It’s not badly done, it’s just generic. The original one has more identity

[@Brainatrain]

I’m a massive fan of the original. how the natural lighthearted demeanour of Maria is juxtaposed with the dreary environment and dingy lighting, unable to properly light her eyes, like a recording of memories that James and Mary share playing through a husk of a woman sculpted just for James. But I also really love the remake interpretation of the scene too. From my time with rendering, Improvements in lighting make it hard to properly light a scene like the original without heavy tampering (like the opening for James face). instead they went for a different direction, having Maria be direct with her words with little to no joy coming out from her speech. Her body remains still with absolutely no body language, no adjustment to her posture, no muscle movement, nothing. She’s a doll, everything James frustrations (especially sexual) wanted in Mary. Yet none of the emotions Mary shows in her scenes is present, just the script of memories they had together. They complement each other so well and allows me to see more in the original that the remake can’t convey, while while showing the improvements in subtlety for models and cinematography that the remake CAN convey. To belittle the remake or the original is just kinda pointless when both can be used to analyze something deeper between the too.

[@pablogrez6951]

Each makes sense for their tone and art direction. The remakes Maria seems appropiate because of how she was portrayed before (in game, narrative), she becomes weird after being so human. The OG is strange and erratic from the start, also the art direction is more sinister. To claim nostalgia and technical limitations as the only reason the ps2 scene was like that, is to do a disservice to all gaming art. Thinking like that is to believe that is only a matter of time before we need a SH2 remake's remake that will overcome its ps5 limitations

[@explodingstar1616]

She looks more animated in the original. She looks kinda stiff in the remake.

[@FendiHeriansyah95]

Yes

[@eightcoins4401]

She is still pretty stiff in the original in cutscenes, its just easier to excuse in a ps2 game.

[@kuma_na]

Maria's voice in the remake version sounds like a robot......🤨😓

[@JvanEdits]

Some of us will have to engage in full suspension of disbelief to be able to enjoy certain parts of this game

[@vasilyam2641]

They have big problems connecting their body and head. In Remake the character's body appears completely dead and motionless while the characters only twist their head and open their mouths. Just look at how she sits, perfect posture and her body doesn’t move at all. People don't sit like that. The original is much better!

[@shakirashipslied9721]

Right? she looks like a lifeless mannequin in the remake. Maria has never been that stiff.

[@Vizal]

In the remake, she gives off this taunting, provocative aura. Just her pose alone. As if she was enjoying the mockery. An interesting take!

[@codeslacker77]

The remake Maria's head looks like being snapped a s her pose looks forcefully posed into that chair. Amateur.

[@Cricket0021]

They should've copied how maria was lighted in the original. The lighting was so good that you just see black pits on her eyes.

[@nullmoon6349]

The voice acting, the lighting, the expressions and even the fucking beauty LMAO, it lacks literally everything bro wtf. From wine to piss holy shit. Hotel scene was decent at least.

[@eightcoins4401]

I honestly don't know what people saying the og had good voice acting are smoking. Don't get me wrong, I love the original, but the voice acting is a glaring flaw it has.

[@GF-mf7ml]

Original look like art, it don't need to look realistic, sharp and bright. Those shadows and over exposure are perfect like dreams.

[@Nov-5062]

It does look realistic though. I mean check out Maria at 0:55

[@LLL417]

OG>Remake

[@MetalThornTree]

The new one tries too hard and misses the mark. Funny how a 20+ years old game has never been topped. Its still perfect in every detail. The only thing that's a bit off with the OG is the clunky controls, but can be adjusted to.

[@_Irrelevant]

Yeah, the OG will never be replaced. They can take this game and throw it with the other "modern audience" fiascos.

[@blameitondanny]

Maria in the remake felt flat. I don't know what happened, like there's barely any emotion. Same thing with Ada in Re4 remake for me.

[@TurboMintyFresh]

That voice acting in the jail scene remake is atrocious

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

probably my favorite video game cutscene ever. I feel like people underestimate how much people are fond of silent hill 2, the new Maria cutscene is not good

[@lewis2349]

yeh sh2 in my top 5 easily. anytime i hear the soundtrack i’m transported back it’s so good. this remake you couldn’t pay me to play it’s an insult to the original team silent and to the fans imo

[@ded-rocinteractive8536]

I think this proves stylization can sometimes win over photorealism. What's important to note here too is the original was likely trying to mimic celluloid film, maybe even DV. Grain, thick black shadows. There's almost a bleach-bypassed look with the highlights being overexposed. In modern games they're not only trying look 'real' but are no longer mimicking film. So you have that Netflix Raw/Log look. Very high dynamic range, flat lighting, very little contrast. Id even argue that most modern, photorealistic games are not trying to mimic life through a camera lens at all. Which is why all that motion blur/DOF can look out of place. Maybe the new look also puts us further into uncanny-valley territory, as the more 'realistic' something looks the more it's obvious when the animations, clothing creases are all a little 'off'.

[@TurboMintyFresh]

very well said

[@Sassy_Witch]

the VA sounds a bit like she wasnt trying

[@cybertruckeralpha]

The original game is confident in its own strangeness. Team Silent was so good at giving off an uncanny and unsettling feel that it felt like they waren't even trying. The way even bright lighting completely obscures Maria's eyes here is haunting and extremely effective. The lighting in the remake is flatter, with far less contrast. Bloober opted for logic rather than artistry, and that's why I'm still not won over. Bloober's played the game, watched the cutscenes, but from what I've seen so far (all gameplay included) they've consistently failed to detect the nuances of a game that was wholly built on nuance. Even the added padding shown in the review copy streams have only helped hinder the pacing and experience that made the original a classic. Everything Bloober adds to this game takes something away, and you don't even have to look hard to see what.

[@alexinthemix00]

Can't wait for the "ANYWAY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ANYWAY?"

[@TheSpongyMallard]

The voice director completely misunderstood the original.

[@samtulip9029]

Ikrrr they just don't get it... won't get it the way we do..

[@coreymckee4844]

Same for the RE4R with Ada.. the VA was wooden and incredibly flat. They even took out some of her original lines and replaced them. F*ck capcom!

[@AB-vp9mi]

0:52 this is hauntingly beautiful.

[@lollmemmSm0keweed]

That looks ass😂

[@Fallout-w9z]

ITS OVER there is no debate, original will always be the best and the only silent hill 2 game.

[@CrowScareify]

Im hopeful for the remake, but the original of this scene has aged like fine wine. It oozes tension and every line feels manipulative, tender, even frightening….

[@DANIEL-wh9uj]

23 years of interpretation - and yet failing to create one of the most iconic scenes of the Silent HIll series. The remake improves the gameplay technically and of course the graphics; there is no debate here. However the development choice, to alter certain aspects of the game, the characters in particular, changes the tone, the eeriness and atmosphere of the silent hill. Everything which made this scene a classic; is lost here!

[@navyhusky2020]

"After. We. Got. Separated. In. That. Long. Hallway. 🤖"

[@Deathighway]

Comparison of original and trash. What a robotic speech and emotionaless in the remake. And what about a part in the game where Maria speaks about the most fear in her life without any emotion on face or in voice. That ruins everything with that worst actress playing Maria.

[@husky6672]

remake, more like soulless demake

[@GrosserAndrew5000]

The original one is better by a mile. 😑

[@lewis2349]

god the new one sucks so bad it’s not seductive at all it just sounds like she’s reading it normally. demake.

[@vincikeeper1581]

Doesn't fit in Silent Hill vibes, it's not dark, sinister and mysterious, just bland unenthusiastic and predictable. Even new voice actor sounds just bored and tired, could be better.

[@ModestMouseTrap]

I actually think I like what they did here. OG she starts of sweet and gets sinister, new she starts kind of sinister and gets more sweet. I think it will make the payoff of this scene work better.

[@ZachCK]

That's a good observation. I can dig it!

[@camirock17]

That was the idea: james already knew maria at that point BUT still wasn't sure if it was her Mary or another woman (and then finally realize she was a imagination of his buried sexual desires). In the remake, they didn't care about that and went straight to the point.

[@lastbeer]

OG starts of sweet and then gets seductive to convince James. But females can't be seductive in games according to ESG shit, so we see emotionless Maria in virgin's outfit sitting in virgin's pose pretending she's a sexual wish...

[@LittleJohnnyBrown]

She acts like she's bored and annoyed and probably wants a divorce. It's repulsive not scary. You can say that this is a contrast to Mary's soft personality, but that was never the point. The point was to make Maria into James' perfect fantasy. She is Mary + sex, not "evil Mary". Evil is what hides behind her very existence, not inside of her. Also she was never evil or sinister to begin with. It's the opposite. Scary and sinister things happened to her all the time, because that's the point of her character and the fact that her words hit like a hammer, when she says "I'm not your Mary" is not because she is some scary ghost entity, but because it's time for James to snap out of his fantasy.

[@MrCironn]

@@LittleJohnnyBrownThen the original sucks at it too, because people are making it very clear that they like the original because it’s more sinister and disturbing. It’s not supposed to be. It’s supposed to be unsettling at most, with Maria reinforcing her love for James. Remake is better. I hope crazy nostalgia doesn’t affect this scene. It’s perfect.

[@Ali-ih8qg]

old is gold

[@jamesmorris7844]

If no one can put there finger on way the original is so good let me help, that scene is probably the best acting in gaming we have seen, the actress isn't playing/voicing Maria only, she's switching between Marry and Maria's personality and voice throughout the scene, that's why it's so great the level of physiological play is lost on a lot of people and clearly Bloober Team, i 100% new they where gong to butcher this scene and they did.

[@AntiRiku]

Get the original on emulator with all sorts of QoL and graphics mods. That's the definitive way to experience this masterpiece. Not this outsourced revised "modern audience" cash grab.

[@blinkspacestudio8892]

It is hard to get used to the new tone, its not bad its just very different to the original. "Im not your Mary" original was something that literally gave me chills the way she suddenly turned so scary. She talked to James like a child all the way up until that line...then she turned bitter and angry for no reason. It was genius to be honest. The original "Im not your Mary" was more impactful for me anyway. It scared me a little to be honest.

[@Dukkyjames200]

Just the difference in the inflection of “I’m not your Mary” tells you the major difference. The remake she sounds bored and apathetic the og it’s full of passive aggressive spite. It’s supposed to be a dramatic shift. The remake it’s just not enough of a switch imo

[@bradIeyscarreviews]

Keep complaining

[@sam-bj2hp]

@@bradIeyscarreviewswe will, don’t worry ^^

[@camirock17]

@@bradIeyscarreviews we will, don't worry ^^ x2 They actually listened and they fixed 50% of the remake, so "complaining" actually works (which is a surprise indeed, but a welcome one)

[@e-volt9285]

​@@camirock17 yeah but those were legitimate complaints, now you're just nitpicking. The new scene is great, but if you nostalgic keep comparing every single frame to the original you'll never be satisfied

[@camirock17]

@@e-volt9285 nostalgic? Bro, I played again last month, and yes, that's the point of a remake: to make it 100% exact or close enough with better graphics, period.

[@Vordhosbn_]

The new Maria...it's like...I don't know...the way that she's sitting in the chair...at least they could replicated that from the original...and the way that she says the lines are so dull...yeah..

[@antonoakenshield7362]

The original SH2 cutscenes were pure gold. Almost like a Renaissance painting. I'm pretty excited for the remake. Too many people bashing on it how it'll never surpass the original. I think we all know that.

[@Animedumptruck]

Well Angela (a character that was starved her whole life) is all of a sudden much bigger than her OG Maria (a manifestation of the town based on James' sexual urges) now looks much older than him and is covered up The Nurses (a manifestation of the town based on James sneaking a peak at the nurses while Mary was in the hospital) are now ALSO covered up And the cherry on top is the voice acting seems to miss the mark completely. It doesn't feel eerie anymore feels like they're reading off a script

[@Troubadour115]

seems like original has more emotion

[@lulukulu5489]

I remember how I thought the OG uses real human for a sec as a kid 😂

[@anthonyhawthorne3450]

Listening to the way she delivers her dialog like she is just reciting the words off of paper, I'm sure if you asked the voice actress what sh2 is about she would shrug her shoulders. Hell even if you asked the directors they'll be confused hence why they had to rework on the trailer based on people's comment because they realized how far they dropped the ball.

[@guilhermeroyama8842]

Honestly, I enjoyed both versions. OG Maria feels like a ghost haunting James, wanting him to suffer for what he did. Remake Maria feels like she is making fun of him, trying to confuse his thoughts. Both are eerie, just in different ways. Sure, OG art direction looks way cooler, especially for a horror game. But I wouldn't call the Remake bad. It just has a separate tone of it's own.

[@rickydo6572]

See, I don't hate the new cutscene, I think it is pretty good in fact. Hell, I think the latest trailers have been pretty good and I'm excited for the remake. But this particular cutscene in the original is so absolutely phenomenal, it's the one cutscene I hoped they nailed and the one cutscene I knew they would probably miss the mark. And they didn't nail it unfortunately, I still think it's good, but the og one is just art man. I like how in the og one Maria was toying with James, she was a bit more playful, bit more "friendly", but was more like a predator hiding it's true intentions to lure prey. The new one she is basically threatening the all the way, there's no slow transition to her sinister side. Also, the lighting. It's funny that the lighting in the remake is very similar to the non prerendered lighting of the original, so In that sense it is more faithful. But they should've gone with lighting similar to the pre-rendered cutscene instead, they most likely has that conversation during development and decided to match the in-game lighting instead, which I think was not a good choice.

[@olivia7782]

tbh thats the vibe I get from this whole remake; maybe reaching "good" but missing all the more subtle and artful choices that made the original work as well as it did. They're trying, but the degree to which they really just don't GET the game seems like it may be too much to overcome.

[@CheekyProfit]

The tone of the scene's been completely altered with both the more conservative outfit and and the accusatory delivery, as well as the altered progression of the scene where in the original where she went from warm and aloof to seductive and bewitching, whereas now she's suspicious and ridiculizing and then soothing, especially considering how surreal the original was, being the first time maria is seen since being killed by PH. The original shows both the personality of who mary was and who James wanted her to be as maria through dialogue and delivery as the scene progressed, when now she remains relatively subdued through the whole exchange. The setting of the scene, with Maria behind bars away from James, is now incongruous with the presentation of Maria in the remake, where it's almost like she's interrogating james, and not a poisonous influence trying to escape through manipulating James with her sexuality. Pyramid head served perfectly as a representation of James desire for punishment wihtout a single line of dialogue so having maria serve as this too is unnecessary. IMO This is a fundemental misunderstanding of what Maria was intended to represent about James and of Team Silent's original vision for SH2.

[@diegolink42]

I might be wrong but this new Maria seems a lot more cold, I don't know if this is bad acting or they just tried to change her playful and sexy personality.

[@iansilva7422]

New maria sounds like she smokes a 2 packs of cigs a day, and works as a bar waitress. "Are you confusing me with some one else? Want some coffe with that toast?" 😂

[@TurboMintyFresh]

lol

[@gamingdudedonal3312]

She just sounds like dhes having a regular conversation in the remake

[@viktorm9401]

The original versions of Maria are so much better. More haunting, more sexy and more ominous. The voice acting in the HD Collection is the best version, and if I have to order them, I'd say; 1. Silent Hill HD Collection Maria 2. Silent Hill 2 original Maria 3. Silent Hill 2 Remake Maria

[@ip2100]

Music is WAY toned down in the remake. It's sad, cuz its one of the only games that music played a huge role on the impressions the originals left.

[@McMacaraccoon]

I get that James is supposed to be 'attracted' to Maria but did they really have to put her in a f*****g RED LEATHER TRENCH COAT !? That's wayyy over the top and over-explanatory, but I guess that's what 'remakes' ought to be these days... Last time I checked my body knew how to metabolize, no need to thrown predigested imagery at me.

[@thecoolzone7108]

As a Silent hill fan I must say that original Maria is much better and symbolic but Bloober Team totally ignored it in the remake because of Jacob Geller advisory.

[@kn3501]

What happened to the lighting

[@gabrielguerra8311]

The OG Maria comes off more like what she actually is suppossed to be, a person that has just been created out of a memory of another person. As such, Maria should have very shallow thoughts and feelings (shallow as in, she just knows and feels stuff, without knowing why or where does feelings come from), and a very volatile personality, because her mind is being programed (or atually being repurpossed) as she exists.. She was created with the Mary "template", but she starts to feel, as James wants her to feel. SHe lives in the moment...literally. Living in the moment actually is not really experiencing everyrhing fully like the romanti notion, its actually, like an animal, like a cat, would do. Maria is living following her instinct (what Mary would have done first, and then, as what James would want her to do) and the town is filling her memory with whatever James is supliying after she is told thats her purposse. Thats why she "worked" at heavens night, without atually that had happened, because she was born, that very day. So James subconsious feelings thowards her, are actually making her act the way she does, and thats why sometimes she is somewhat mean. She is projecting James insecurities as well as his desires. The remake one seem to make her behave more like a "likeable" character (or Mary), acting, instead of being, like what the story demands. SUbtle differene to some, but, actually its a huge one.

[@Vsevolod3788]

After seeing this atrocious acting and how they've butchered all the iconic scenes like "I'm not your Mary" I won't be touching this turd of a remake with a 10-feet pole.

[@lewis2349]

real fans will be playing the only silent hill 2 not this millennial tv show version

[@camilovargasgarrido7492]

There was some wierdness about Maria that the remake doesn't reach, also it was more seductive, not only in the acting also in the script... still it seems like a great remake.