Silica Dust Extraction Vacuums 2017 Comparison - Silica Table 1 Compliant Vacs

[@355scott]

The Milwaukee is actually a rebranded Nilfisk Attix 33, made in Hungary. It’s sold under a few different names, it’s sold under the gerni brand here in Australia and the Fein brand in Germany.

[@realdrdot]

And also as makita. The vc4210 (Europe) is the attix 44.

[@shaquedelilicss7849]

Really? I think this review sucks... Makita has the highest suction capacity is the most silent and cheapest... + has the biggest container.... How does Milwaukee win the comparison? .. ..

[@jarlnieminen4307]

Apparently only being able to abuse your equipment matters.

[@kyledowdy9585]

So makita won all test but didn’t win

[@shmikeymo]

Every review on makita products are perfect but they never win based upon stupid issues. Makita engineering is on par with German companies but half the price

[@bighands69]

The Milwaukee is a nilfisk vacuum. In real world Nilfisk make some of the best vacuums. A $500 Nilfisk would be on par with a $1000 festool vacuum.

[@wallacelux]

@@bighands69, how so? As I'm in tbe market for a new dust extractor as I cut fibre cement sheeting

[@bighands69]

@@wallacelux Nilfisk are actually an out and out Vacuum manufacturer. It is the bread and butter. Nilfisk make industrial rated vacuums for about $500 that other companies would sell for about $1000. Go and check them out but make sure you buy one that is rated for the task you are using it for. So in other words make sure it has the correct filter. _

[@waldfink_]

The Makita is also a rebranded Nilfisk. 😉

[@corvuse.2873]

Makita with dust separator mounted to a decent mobile base for the win ( in a shop application).

[@DabblelyDiddly]

Can't actually prove these do a damn thing Without running a particle counter...

[@ASSOpid]

Vacuum Comparison paid for by Milwaukee

[@garykarczewski6678]

What is wrong with using a powerful shop vacuum for a third the cost of all these dust collectors? All one needs to bring a wet/dry vacuum up to par with these is purchase their low cost dust collection bag to go in the container and add a HEPA Filter. There are great hose adapter kits which will fit almost every powered hand tool, contractor saw, as well as miter saws for all types of vacuums.

[@a-carpenter9229]

They still wouldn't be fall under the osha rules of having a filter cleaning mechanism built into them, I've done what you've mentioned and there would be no comparison to what these dust extractors can do as far as keeping the suction up, once those bags you speak of gets caked up with drywall and concrete dust then you pretty much have a quarter of the suction while the bag isn't near full, I've been there, done that and got sick of it so I ordered a new Metabo dust extractor for remodeling work, I used a grinder with a tuck pointing guard for cutting out plaster and tile walls and floors in bathrooms and wet/dry vacs are useless for the job, even a festool dust extractor is useless for the job because the dust cakes to the inside of the bags and lose suction

[@TimKollat]

I use Pulse Bacs for my concrete grinding/polishing business to run hand grinders and even large floor grinders. We use the large 1250 Pulse Bacs and they just keep going and work great but at $4500 they better be good..I don't know how the smaller CDC Pulse Bacs like the one in this vid work, but I know their larger ones like the 1250 are very good and strong vacs especially for demanding work like concrete grinding 8hrs a day. They have also been around for a very long time and were one of the first with automatic filter cleaning and they have proven their worth. Having said all that, Im definitely going to buy one of these Makita vacs to try out on our 5" and 9" hand grinders

[@SwapnilBhartiya]

Makita should have been the winner - it performed the best in the main category - which is about sucking - the quality of the hose or wheel is not critical. The whole point of a dust collector is how well it sucks. This review sucks.

[@ToolShow]

9/29/2017 UPDATES - Since this video was posted and the OSHA Regulations hit there have been some changes to this video. 1. CS Unitec price has come down to $599 (with HEPA filters) inline with Bosch, Milwaukee, Dewalt and others! 2. Bosch VAC090A & VAC140A now get a free HEPA filter and Fleece bag added (from reputable Bosch dealers at least)!

[@andrewschneemann8348]

I think something big you are overlooking is how long the filters last and the cost of replacement filters. Futhermore, you tested these vacs like a shop vac not a dust collection system. I want to know how long they last grinding of cutting concrete and can you clean the filters and how hard are the filters to replace

[@sedgeen2824]

Strange to see Makita win all the performance tests and not winning overall. 😂 Milwaukee.... hahahaha 🤔

[@bighands69]

Milwaukee are Nilfisk vacuums which is a world leader in Vacuum technology.

[@a.a674]

@@bighands69 The Makita in this comparison is also a Nilfisk

[@bighands69]

@@a.a674 You have not surprised me. I would say very few of the vacuums by tool manufacturers are really in house.

[@a.a674]

@@bighands69 Very true! Does work out to the consumers advantage as we could probably find cheaper parts for repairing them.A certain bit might cost a certain amount directly from Makita but if you rang up nilfisk or whoever,it would probably be half that

[@tarassu]

Title: silica dust. What's in the video - nothing about dust.

[@jakecarter2414]

Awesome video, alot of good real world information. Keep up the good work guy, alot of people like to see how these tools perform in the real world before going out and spending $600 on a tool and regretting it. It just goes to show you that DeWalt and Hilti were scared they might loose!

[@BZ1340]

I agree the Dewalt would lead me to believe it was far inferior and didn't want to participate

[@corrydaus7396]

Really well done video. nice job. Would have added a review of replacing dust bags, and sucking up tons of fine dust (filter cleaning ability)

[@henry4382]

I really would like to see some testing on what these vacuums are designed for - extracting dust. Sucking up water can be done with a regular vac. I understand that shows the strength of their suction, but does that relate to c.f.m? It's been my experience that when attaching a vac to a tool or collecting dust, the volume of air flow is more important than the strength. I think if your test would be more relevant if it included a test of what these are actually designed to do. I'll be purchasing one of these units this month, and I need to know which one will will keep up with the demands of dust extraction, need less time being emptied, which one is the messiest to empty, etc. This would have been a good review for vacs you'll use on general wet dry applications. I see nothing here that tells me which one will keep up with my chipping hammer or 7" floor grinder removing thinset. If you're buying this you suck up water your over paying. An 80$ rigid wet dry vac from home depot would outperform these 600$ vacs the way you've reviewed them.

[@danknudsen8268]

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[@djfglobal3377]

Sweet video! Do you guys know anything about “flex” brand hepa vacs? Seems like they are a less expensive version of the Milwaukee . Thanks, subscribed

[@andrewhunt4532]

Last load of rubbish you have been paid to say that Makita better

[@tiredrummertube]

better to test for particulate and dust performance. BTW, what about the Dustless brand?

[@meganm.6877]

Here is the website for Dustless Vacs, they meet OSHA Regulations www.dustlesstools.com/dustlessvacuums/HEPAVacuums/hepa-vacuums.php

[@hidalgoh79]

Need Hilti and Flex in a new 2019 test.

[@doug667]

Great review, both the extensive research and the fun presentation. Thanks!

[@alexortner2982]

You're out of your mind.

[@darrenbeckman6089]

Nothing comes close to Festool or Nilfisk these two are the rolls Royce of extraction I've used many over years but perfection costs and i have nilfisk 110 v power top attic 30 push and clean M class and my god I never go back to shit like bosh and DeWalt or any premium branded machine i also used Festool for 4 years

[@2010drive]

And every vacuum looses suction and filtering efficiency in real world use except the pulse bac?

[@mechanoid5739]

No mention of the auto filter cleaning like the Bosch has!

[@victorfeliciano6094]

well milwaukee win, as well i win to that is the price i paid ($217.00) thanks guys for showing who WIN.

[@SwampYankeeProjects]

They Must be sponsored by Milwaukee cause it makes no sense that Makita wins all the vacuum tests but still looses overall

[@bighands69]

Nilfisk make Milwaukee vacuums system. They are strong and powerful and considered an industry standard vacuum.

[@mattwragg6966]

@@bighands69 nilfisk also make the bosch and starmix makes the metabo and unitec

[@bighands69]

@@mattwragg6966 Does Starmix engineer their products? or do they use other companies engineering?

[@mattwragg6966]

@@bighands69 starmix make them in house

[@danh5379]

What about the cost and changing of the filters?

[@zacksas6721]

all very nice how ever... Where is FESTOLL???!!!!! Festool has no comparison

[@grantparnes]

I would think filter cost and the self cleaning function would have been a better thing to compare than which one would follow you when you pulled the hose like walking a donkey.

[@Snip59]

What about the Mirka

[@elyadg]

Milwaukee!?! Seriously! I suppose, reducing the amount of mdf dust breathed in and less potential hearing loss over the coarse of ones carer is little compensation when it comes to easy cord hooks and rolling around EMPTY. Nice try Makita. Perhaps Makita should turn up the volume and install some shiny mag wheels to be a serious contender as a WORK VACUUM! p.s. I detect no bias here...hmm

[@bighands69]

Milwaukee are Nilfisk vacuums. Nilfisk is make the best vacuums out there. In the real world they can deal with MDF with their filters being easy to work with.

[@waltergray9182]

Is the Milwaukee dust extractor has more suction that a regular rigid shop vac

[@manissahdaud1150]

Thank you for the demo very informative!!👍👍👍

[@shifty277]

Fantastic video, watching from London, UK. We dont yet have the equivalent of these dust laws yet but imagine they will come in so a video like this is great. You can tell a lot of man hours, recording and editing was put into this video like a project in itself! Thanks a lot.

[@TileNation]

The locking mechanism is one of the worst things you can have on a Vac that you pull around. You even show the reasons why. Once you wear down a flat spot you are screwed.

[@rockybear702]

Where is the Hilti ??

[@mhmorlock5186]

really nice review I have the makita moved it to home shop because of some of the mentioned issues been using my old but reliable fein any after market hoses for makita vacuum

[@dpd16790]

i am actually looking at getting something for concrete floor grinding.. I've been looking at getting the larger size pulse bac unit.. at over $10,000 i am now thinking of going with maybe 10 of the milwaukee vacs or makita and just hook em all together for some really extreme suction.. what to you think?

[@ToolShow]

For heavy applications like concrete floor grinding and walk-behind saw cutting, that is where Pulse-Bac really shines. The price tag jumps up for sure however OSHA probably doesn't wants to see a web of spaghetti hoses duct taped together covering the jobsite...

[@slicktype001]

What kind of comparison test is this!?!? Sponsored much? Disgrace ....

[@FaithThruGraceinChristAlone]

You guys ever used a dustless vacuum? I’m curious how it stacks up.

[@meganm.6877]

Here is the website for Dustless Vacs, they meet OSHA Regulations www.dustlesstools.com/dustlessvacuums/HEPAVacuums/hepa-vacuums.php

[@Igor-q3f]

I have it for about 7 years. works like new . never need to cleat the filter. using it for drywall sanding a lot.

[@FaithThruGraceinChristAlone]

Shock Value dustless is a brand that I use in my classroom for clay dust. I wanted to see how it stacked up before I bought it. It seems to be holding up very well after 2 years.

[@MustPassTruck]

Makita discontinued 😰

[@BigDaddy-me9yf]

These vacuums are way overpriced

[@markobosnjak6399]

There is no better dust extractor then FLEX!

[@michaelproust7891]

Thanks good information

[@dierenfilmpjes5136]

Fantastic

[@shaneclk9854]

I swear they were going to say Makita

[@bighands69]

What company make Makita.

[@guerodavid6117]

OSHA SHOULD GIVE COMPANIES A GRANT TO BUY THEM

[@ToolShow]

For sure there should be some grants available which we would guess are either available or coming! We do not know much about grants unfortunately...

[@nilfiskbryanprust1213]

None of these are OSHA Silica approved.

[@ToolShow]

Doesn't Nilfisk make most of these?

[@nilfiskbryanprust1213]

Yes we do. That is why I say that none of them are OSHA approved.

[@nilfiskbryanprust1213]

We make vacuums that are but these are not.

[@redstihl9027]

Why not the Festool?

[@ToolShow]

Festool has an awesome high quality vac system but they are not that big in the concrete/silica tools and accessories.

[@niroman3000]

NO Kärcher?

[@eamonnshanahan9293]

Hilti and Dewalt declined because they know better. None of these have a continuous-duty motor. For all day vacuuming you need at least 15 sq ft of primary filter, plus a HEPA after-filter, and an on board filter cleaning system. For a proper silica vacuum I would check these guys out www.controlledairdesign.com/products/industrial-vacuums

[@perro0076]

eeehh??!?!?! How did you get to that 'winner'? Yes, clearly the Makita did't do well on the rolling test but it won in all other categories that matter!! For me the low noise and water lift up that glass pipe were the main ones!! No wonder the other 2 didn't want to take part.

[@DeviloftheHelll]

where are the festool ct vacs?

[@ToolShow]

We contacted Festool and they confirmed that none of their tools or vacs are rated for concrete work, and confirmed that they have no plans at this time to produce concrete tools or vacs. The shop vacs we featured are all OSHA compliant for silica dust extraction. Festool makes some extremely nice woodworking vacs that we may feature in a future video.

[@DeviloftheHelll]

well, they have vacs that are classed as "M" and "H" which both contains hepa filters, which alone suitable for concrete work as well as asbestos, as well as automatic filter cleaners, i dont know about other brands apart from the ones hilti produces, they fill up quickly cos of the badly placed inlet shout and the main filter dips into the container, and fills up quickly with dust when you use them for wall chasers what we have here in europe, while the ctm36 hd festool vac i have it sucks till the bag is packed solid with dust without losing more than 10% suction power from the same brick and concrete dust 36 liters of solid fine dust without any issue of getting trough the filter

[@a-carpenter9229]

DeviloftheHelll hey do you use the automatic filter cleaning setting on the festool dust extractor when sucking up concrete dust through the fleece bag and if so does it help shake the dust off the inside of the bag? I have a festool CT Midi and have used it for cutting out tile walls and floors when remodeling while using a cyclone dust separator and my experience is the fine dust cakes to the inside of the bag and lose suction to where it's useless and the bag is only 20% full, wood and mdf sawdust is a different story, that stuff doest cake to the inside of the bag like drywall and concrete dust does, I've ordered a Metabo dust extractor and will see how that works