Silkie Carlo: Get ready for the crackdown

[@scottocallaghan4377]

You had me until you mentioned the banned film from TR. I don't agree with him on many issues, but what he exposed, through filmed testimony from the head teacher, teachers, and pupils, should outrage everyone. Especially the 2 ladies concerned with freedom here. Come on! Be consistent, journalistic and honest with your viewers. Look into it before repeating the narrative.

[@Mr333Lee]

100%correct

[@Globaldave1970]

It was the way she really went fo went him... "Anyone would be stupid to fall for these heinous crimes against this poor boy.......Islamophobia etc etc?" FFS.

[@thecozycornerasmr]

Totally agree.

[@Sun-Tzu--]

I was just going to post that exact point . Thank you

[@cargumdeu]

she belongs to the 'dinner party' set of metropolitan elites who will not discuss certain things over dinner.

[@spkay6317]

This is the first time in my nearly 50 years on this planet that I have been afraid of what my own government is going to do.

[@iaindennis3321]

If the government are not in fear of the people, the people tend to be in fear of their government - let’s not fall into that trap

[@chaosflower4892]

Kier Starmer is perhaps even weedier as a man than little Rishi.. yet more dangerous. Rishi was WEF lite. Kier is all in.

[@Stevanavich725]

I’m glad to see that you have come out of the cave.

[@heybigbender]

If only the gammons of the UK hadn't decided to burn out multiple towns and cities across the country. And before you say I'm overreacting, I'll remind you of the many many many folks who cried when a statue was thrown into a river.

[@hlbjk]

How interesting......

[@TP-om8of]

I wonder if either of these ladies have actually listened to Tommy Robinson.

[@spiritusinfinitus]

Perhaps Unherd should interview him? If they don't want to then that's rather telling.

[@TheRobbex]

My thought exactly. Mr Yaxley-Lennon is so useful though, is he not?

[@TP-om8of]

@@TheRobbex I think he’s too downmarket for both Unherd and Mr Starmer. The class divide trumps politics.

[@AndyJarman]

Jordan Peterson and Gad Saad just released videos interviewing him, yet middle class English equate his accent with violence. Triggernometry, Unheard, and the rest are scared he might bite them.

[@PSLP]

Mossad shill

[@petermetric]

Please, Silkie Carlo, assuming it is legal to do so, watch ‘silence’, assess the evidence, and then give your reasoned argument of its content. To dismiss it out of hand is lazy journalism.

[@Richard-d1y]

Silkie is a journalist?

[@spiritusinfinitus]

​@@Richard-d1yShe was more fun when she sas knocking about with Charlie Veitch (they used to be a couple)

[@mrmass71]

​@@spiritusinfinitusCharles Retch is a total tool.

[@Globaldave1970]

Lazy? Non existent more like.

[@trevaudio]

Is this the “reasoned argument” he couldn’t prove in court ???

[@Elklein-42]

Have you watched tommy robinsons documentary? Maybe you should....

[@paulbrookes5365]

Check out who handles 'Mr Robinson'.

[@ronangarey7327]

@@paulbrookes5365 Why don't you just make your allegation? Why bother people to go down some weird rabbit hole?

[@GimpSlayerGeneral]

@@paulbrookes5365 Check out who handles Smear Starmer..

[@Globaldave1970]

Obviously she has, but is a total liar.

[@trevaudio]

That’s the libellous film he made ? Didn’t he lose a massive libellous case regarding his lies and allegations ?

[@bertibear1300]

That film you mention that Tommy Robins. did was very interesting.You ought to see it.The young guy who was the real victim has to live in hiding.The council paid around £250,000 to shutup school employees. It’s really not fair to stop truth coming out if it is truth. Morally wrong.Are you on the right side?

[@nj-ns4sb]

Even here the tired old "blame Tommy" trope has a home. Very disappointing Florence, I thought you had more insight and intelligence than that. Real pity.

[@JeffMilton-f8v]

They go there for safety. Mind you, it's what I expected.

[@Globaldave1970]

I actually expected better from this Unheard brand.

[@Fedup1234]

I totally agree the usual blame Tommy means these people have never actually listened to a full interview by him.

[@Globaldave1970]

@@Fedup1234 He has been outlawed by the British State. Absolutely everybody in the British 'elite' throws him under the bus. They are all told to. Its obvious.

[@zah936]

Tell Tommy to stop being a terrorist then

[@brookeandheather1023]

Interesting conversation. Don’t though much care for equating Islamophobia with racism. Islam is a religious philosophy/idea not an ethnic group. It was a word invented by Iranian Clerics to deflect criticism of Islam by equating Islam to an ethnic group. It has worked only too well.

[@spiritusinfinitus]

All religion and the dogma and ideology surrounding it should be able to be openly questioned by anyone. After all, God is omnipotent, all loving and understanding, and should by definition be able to take a bit of criticism. 😂

[@TheRobbex]

Islamophobia was a word created in the U.K. by the Runnymede Trust. A quote often misattributed to Christopher Hitchens, is that Islamophobia is “a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

[@0my]

"Islamophobia" is not a crime. It's not even a real word.

[@daniel.lopresti]

If push came to shove, I could certainly go along with the concept of "Jewphobia" which is a much more evident malevolent force on display in our Western societies.

[@Globaldave1970]

Its a made up word. As soon as someone uses it, I know they are a BSer. I think Labours new Law will make it illegal to say anything against negative about Islam.

[@dwb1954]

Misinformation re Tommy...how about some documented evidence instead of allegations

[@tiggywinkle5933]

Exactly! I've not had any other personal opinion on Tommy for decades other than the MSM narrative. Recently seeing his posts and his documentary along with film about the grooming gang victim I have changed how I view him. He's not called for violence he's called for calm. Perhaps UnHerd should look into Tommy and his documentary.

[@iseenochains-oops7863]

Hear hear. Please stop with the msm mantra & instead do some journalism & establish the truth of TR. (Spoiler: he just wants to stop the industrialised child rape [using drug addiction as well as violence & threats of family abuse]). Unfortunately In addition he has to expose the appalling establishment 'blindness'/even complicity. Maybe you should investigate his claims & evidence rather than this tosh. BTW he has recently organised the biggest & most well policed & peacefull protest [Trafalgar Square] & yet you 'investigative journalists' still blame him. You seem to be doing the same as 2-Tier - looking @ the response rather than the cause.

[@iseenochains-oops7863]

No chance - these types do not want facts.

[@januarysson5633]

I have a feeling this guest is controlled opposition.

[@nicolaclark4234]

I have totally changed my view of Mr Robinson. His a working class boy..who didn't like the extremist. And let's face it, what Labour tried to swipe under carpet, he went viral with it....and it was true.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

“The whole aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” ― H.L. Mencken 1918

[@nedhill1242]

That didn't age well. He clearly didn't understand how easily the masses are brainwashed as "useful idiots" by fascists and Marxists, both left wing BTW, with help from an extreme left wing media, and establishment right.

[@C_R_O_M________]

You can say that again!

[@nedhill1242]

@@C_R_O_M________ That quote didn’t age well. The first part is correct. They are dividing us. They are fear mongering. But the bogeyman are very very real. And they are overwhelmingly on the left. But of course include the establishment Republicans, who are left leaning. They hate Trump because he’s coming after them as hard, if not harder than the media and the fascist/communist authoritarians on the left.

[@DavidBaronStevens]

@@The_Reality_Filter "those who sacrifice liberty for the sake of security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin, someone who rejected British rule.

[@andianonn]

This has always been true. We just need to see the truth in it and stop 'going along'

[@farinshore8900]

Mr. Starmer, the government created this crisis. Take responsibility rather than blaming others.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

More proof Unherd is full of shyte kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4PWgqGldrGWfs0si=y9LBcYCSTRNJ608c

[@tamashumi7961]

Such crises are manufactured or enabled to enroll surveillance and take away remaining civil liberties. The same agenda gets rolled out across the Westerns countries to enable implementation of policies otherwise unthinkable in a liberal democracy. Globalists envy the Chinese system so they cook similar for us.

[@Hamishmcbeth]

Hmmm, the EDL and Farage are blameless then?

[@Chiara-fh4op]

Stop calling the people you are trying to silence "far right" - you just want to stop the right to protest and to free speech but only of thev white working classes.

[@chrisgibson7591]

There is never any excuse to go the Chinese route

[@DavidBaronStevens]

when did labour quit defending labour and became the anti-democracy party?

[@christopher_ecclestone]

All the political parties, the police, and most of the institutions have been captured by the f@r L3ft, w0ke ideology. Like all extreme ideologies, it's authoritarian. It has to be to protect itself from it's own citizens who will inevitably, and rightly, want to overthrow it. We're in a new era, and although things look the same, they don't act the same. It's only going to get worse unfortunately. There's no way back.

[@yngve2062]

Tony Blair started it with his introduction of a raft of absolute liability legislation.

[@Puchunguita2792]

The same happening here in the USA. Democrats have sold their souls to evil and want to destroy our family values, our economy and our country. I am just a lay person I do not understand who is/are behind all this massive nonsense destruction or what is the purpose.

[@bobcatnm6424]

Quite a long time ago. Those they once represented, they now despise as racist and far right.

[@januarysson5633]

When “woke” became the flavor of the month.

[@Dave.Weiss.]

'For your safety and convenience'- the endless mantra of restriction and control.

[@No-Humans-Allowed]

Can add fearporn to that list

[@jumperjunior804]

I was with you until you brought up tommy Robinson, quote/show the evidence, as nobody has been able to demonstrate anything he has said

[@Globaldave1970]

Govt. agent.

[@mazoomska]

This lady doesnt realise that it is she who holds the bigoted views. Clearly she has never listened to Tommy Robinson or tried to understand differing views and opinions to her own elitist beliefs. Disappointing lack of challenge from Flo on this. Not what i would usually expect from UnHerd.

[@Globaldave1970]

Quite a few have this opinion reading this thread. Hope she addresses this point. Maybe watch the documentary first.

[@mitral5333]

i’ve been a fan of this podcast for years but this disinformation campaign in this episode left me no choice but to unfollow. Any other decent podcasts to understand what is going on in Britain?

[@mazoomska]

@@mitral5333 try 'The New Culture Forum', 'Spiked', and 'Triggernometry' - i follow these 3 podcasts for UK stuff. I agree, this was a poor episode.

[@cargumdeu]

@@mitral5333 New Culture Forum are bang-on, though I expect you already know that. Triggernometry have shat their pants, arguing against Reform (like Unherd). I dont see UK Column allying with anybody. The 'Weekly Sceptic' podcast is pretty entertaining, though Toby Young is sniffy about TR too.

[@thenonexistinghero]

I did raise an eyebrow when she talked about him. I never heard of the guy but the way she talked about him was off and seemed like she didn't know anything, just repeating 3rd hand mainstream info.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

“Eurocrats do not consider (migration) to be a problem, but rather as a project” - Fabrice Leggeri, former Director of the European Border and Coastguard Agency (Frontex).

[@NPC-st7zv]

Spiteful mutants are in charge

[@paulbrookes5365]

Mass immigration is essential for globalisation...

[@emann2007]

The Kalergi Plan in action.

[@grannyannie2948]

Look at the UN agreements they've all signed.

[@helsonwheels5175]

I'm disturbed by the term Islamophobia being given legitimacy by UnHerd.

[@m4inline]

@@helsonwheels5175 exactly. What we need is "Anglophobia" to describe the vile onslaught of anti white anti native rhetoric instead

[@michaelweber5702]

@@m4inline -- True

[@iaindennis3321]

Facial recognition - China leading the way yet again.

[@simonlee8889]

actually much of it is Israeli software...

[@ChristineAustin-y2f]

All be wearing masks or balaclavers

[@ChristineAustin-y2f]

If OTHER PEOPLE can wear the hijab so can we.

[@artemistheninjahorse5741]

​@@simonlee8889facial recognition, cashless society and a social credit system are China's and that is the blueprint the rest of the world is using, so yes, China is leading the way

[@TP-om8of]

And the UK close behind.

[@Anglo-SaxonGhost]

What on earth? If you watch Tommy Robinson's documentary 'Silenced' you see that this woman is not being honest.

[@honestjohn6418]

Indeed. They've either not bothered, so just accepted the establishment lies or we're looking at two people who are okay with the scapegoating and persecution of someone with almost identical politics to Douglas Murray, just because Robinson speaks uncouth and is prepared to physically defend himself. Two things our middle classes seem to think warrants treating him as an enemy of the state, to be taken out by any means necessary. Nothing off the table including lying, bending the law and incarceration on trumped up charges, in the prisons not only with the most Muslims, but the jihadis who are in prison for trying to kill him. The movie they banned and they want to jail him for reveals the corruption of the entire British establishment. No wonder they threatened him with 2 years for showing it and seem to be using the media, police, judiciary and prison system as a way to character assassinate and perhaps even assassinate. The fact the establishment has branded him a far right racist, knuckle dragging oik who is guilty of running a kind of anti Muslim English KKK is so easily debunked for anyone who actually listened to the man instead of the sneering of the chattering class

[@afifahhamilton8843]

I assume she's simply not watched it. She's been persuaded not to, as have many others. She's EXCELLENT and needs to be encouraged to watch the film, for sure!

[@Anglo-SaxonGhost]

@@afifahhamilton8843 Agreed!

[@l.sophia2803]

@@afifahhamilton8843 Then shes a tool for throwing around an opinion that she hasnt verified in her own mind at such a time as this, when society is already fractious. I dont care if she is expressing out of ignorance, she doesnt belong in that seat if speaking out of hearsay and emotion;. Its unprofessional, irrespponsible, and damaging..

[@0my]

What kinda country makes a documentary illegal? Absolute Fascist. Are they going to start disemboweling people who say the earth revolves around the sun, again.

[@martinheath5947]

I'm pretty sure the £32billion spent on a so-called "NHS Track&Trace" app and the infrastructure behind it was done with precisely this repurposing in mind.

[@kdog3908]

"Oh! You can just download the app!" Is one of the most quietly sinister phrases in the English language, imo.

[@RichardEnglander]

They don't actually spend all that, it was a pot and they didn't use it all. Then this pot is where the 'free covid tests' came from. It isn't actually as bad as we are led to believe. I'm just steelmaning btw.

[@SpeedfreakUK]

They didn’t spend $32 billion on developing an app. How could they? You’d have to pay 64,000 software engineers £100k each (2-3x standard UK SWE salary) for 5 years to spend that much. That’s more engineers than Facebook and Google combined. It’s half of the entire video game industry. Stop repeating this absurd lie, all it does it reveal you suck at basic arithmetic.

[@martinheath5947]

@@SpeedfreakUK We were TOLD that's what it cost. Verify that for yourself. Twice the cost (in real terms) of building twin railway tunnels across the Channel

[@Globaldave1970]

How can they spaff 32 billion on that!!!

[@604jroe]

I would like Unherd to do a piece on Tommy Robinson. From what I saw with Jordan Peterson, I love him! If UnHerd (and Nigel Farage) are going to want me to not like him, I'm going to need a lot more information. What do you see that I haven't seen? (I'm an outsider ... over her in the wilds of British Columbia.)

[@helsonwheels5175]

He’s not perfect. Verboten for anyone not on or of the Left.

[@michellelaura285]

I agree👍

[@Sewandsew58]

Have you actually heard Tommy Robinson call for violent protest ?? Because I’ve only heard him ask people to refrain from violence !! Please, please do your homework !! Have you watched the film he made called ‘ Silenced’ because if you want to call yourself a journalist. You really should know exactly what it is you call out !! I was a big fan of unheard until this !! Very, very disappointed ! This left alliance with Islam is not new. Learn the history of Iran. OMG ! You are no better than the BBC ,

[@tonybalzan3160]

Unherd is a government shill my friend. Plenty of them here on Blundertube

[@AndyJarman]

Triggernometry the same, they think they might get bitten talking to the working classes.

[@tonybalzan3160]

@@AndyJarman indeed... don't get me started about Kissin!! Regime mouthpiece.

[@Jannette-mw7fg]

@@tonybalzan3160 I don't think so. He says stuf he will be persecuted for, with this new "laws" fe I heard him say that white people in some cities are under threat of racial attacks from P.and B. muslims...Also they had problems with the bank;taht is a sign you are under attack from the people with actual power!

[@Jannette-mw7fg]

@@tonybalzan3160 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKqtl2qLhLJqfNk

[@smoath]

Well, they aren't going to admit the real problem are they. So triple down it is then.

[@Stevanavich725]

Maybe because “the real problem” has actually been one of the tools for what they view as the solution.

[@smoath]

@@Stevanavich725 well said.

[@afifahhamilton8843]

Silky is an excellent woman, and I have a great deal of respect for her. However, does the truth not act as an absolute defence, in law. If the details revealed in the TR film revealed truths that were not acknowledge in the case due to intimidation of witnesses, payment of school staff and gag orders illegitimately applied, then TR has done a service to Justice, in revealing such perversions of the truth that had been permitted to stand. Have either of you watched the film? If not please do, then comment. You will see why people are so afraid! SYL ('real name') is a man of courage, that's for sure!

[@Globaldave1970]

They cant cope with TR - thy will imprison him in October - here we go again.

[@squoblat]

Stop bashing Tommy. I don't think either of you have actually listened to anything he has to say.

[@Globaldave1970]

They have. They know exactly what they are saying.

[@ppetal1]

I have. He's a zionazi. He's full of hatred. Pampered lying windbag.

[@jae2686]

Goodness gracious Flo loves to play with the idea that she’s got a handle on who should be quiet, Elon Musk for one. Isn’t she demonstrating the same proclivities as the censors.

[@jos3651]

We're living in frightening times for sure. Please do some research about T.R, I think you might change your mind about him, as I did.

[@Nanophotodave]

Wow, they really hate Tommy. Just watch the documentary and see if it's a lie.

[@Globaldave1970]

But the documentary you refer to (I assume you have actually watched it) shows that TR was not guilty of libel, and was convicted by a corrupt Judge. The truth has been seen by over 30 million globally. Is there some unwritten law that media MUST lie about TR. This is what is provoking unrest. Tell the truth - give both sides.

[@nickxcore74]

My Brother isn’t remotely a fan of TR, but does acknowledge that there is some truth to what he says. Although he doesn’t like how he’s in bed with Israel and still thinks he has it in for Muslims.

[@rangerista3933]

I can't believe the lack of kickback against Starmer's recent announcement following the civil unrest in England and his highly politicised proposals in response to it. He's calling for facial recognition cameras-where will these be installed, at what cost and are they legal? He's called for restrictions on movement-how will this be implemented, on what evidential basis and will this be a new, UK wide law? He's called for a "standing army" (a strange term since we already have one) of a police force, of 6,000 officers. How will this be formed, from existing numbers already stretched, or a new separate force? It sounds like a dedicated, specialist body, will it be under independent command, is this an England & Wales equivalent of the French CRS riot police? Will it be deployable in the rest of the UK too? When will the rest of those who are generally at the forefront of resisting Tory attempts at more robust law and order measures, be raising their voices and questioning what seems to be a very authoritarian streak in our new Prime Minister? This excellent discussion is only the first of what needs to be many more

[@DiamondLil]

Has no one in the UK seen the film Minority Report. It's coming to a city near you (not the film, precrime sentencing), I fear.

[@kay1625]

Not true about Tommy Robinson btw. Do some proper research.

[@Globaldave1970]

You think she hasnt done it. Its her FT job! State agent. Controlled opposition. Its obvious.

[@terfteeps]

Tommy Robinson has been broadcasting every day since they started begging peo0e not to be violence, give him a break, please!

[@StimParavane]

Tommy makes the case for the legitimate complaints of ordinary people. Demonising him will not solve the problem.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

"This is clearly unlawful. We are bringing a legal challenge." You'll only "officialize" what they're doing. You don't understand how power works.

[@james.3117]

I'm not British but my great grandfather served in the first world war for the British. Looking at the UK now and how 2 tier keir is treating the native population I think great grandfather should have stayed at home and not bothered fighting the Germans 🤔

[@NPC-st7zv]

If the men on the landing craft at D-day could have seen the future, they wouldn't have set one foot in France.

[@RichardEnglander]

Well we would not be second class citizens in our own lands

[@m4inline]

@@james.3117 it is an important lesson actually for all: don't send your children to war. They die for nothing...lines on a map, money for the bosses, fake gods and abstract 'nations'

[@mykescott5786]

I would like to hear from Ms Carlo what exactly she thinks the mis or disinformation is that is contained in Tommy Robinson's film "Silenced".

[@Thechatteringclasses-oj6zy]

Please demonstrate where when and how Mr T Robinson has led anybody online in respect of the recent riots. I have seen nothing, totally nothing and I have fully researched.

[@TheSaffronasha]

I just watched SILENCED by Tommy Robinson. I trust Unherd ..so I wish they'd do an indept rebuttal of that video as opposed to one liners like.. he's spreading."heinous libelous lies about a vulnerable child." 🤨

[@commonsensecraziness7595]

You lost me at "heinous libelous lies isn't protected by free speech". Yes it is. That's the whole point. That doesn't mean people shouldn't have legal remedies, but you're talking about a two-tier free speech system because our dear leaders constantly lie.

[@sigsfast]

Wow, you both do Not sound at all like you favor the freedom of speech. If you two are the voices defending the freedom of speech, and thus the freedom of thought, we’re lost.

[@miriamcassidy5487]

I was listening until you both talked misinformation about TR. What has he said that hasn't ended being true. In Rotherham,, in Telford...

[@Globaldave1970]

State agent.

[@aptkeyboard3173]

“Countering mis- and disinformation” is more accurately described as “only government mis- and disinformation will be allowed”.

[@tamashumi7961]

It's just rephrasing for the Ministry of Truth

[@Jannette-mw7fg]

@@tamashumi7961 New speak..a term that wil not be allowed some time soon I am afraid....

[@Globaldave1970]

They gaslight all the time. The Hoax 100 'Far Right' planned protests. Its like living in a simulation.

[@chrisgibson7591]

Apparently the British dont have any human rights, tells you everything you need to know about starmer

[@billbruce5528]

Unsubstantiated Tommy accusations went unchallenged - why?

[@Globaldave1970]

TR is outlawed. Must be obvious by now.

[@devonsteve2347]

Not be too long before we need a ‘pass’ to leave the city limits for hols or to visit friends & relatives who live elsewhere, bit like Russians needed years ago. & oh! How disgraceful we thought that was.

[@eugenehaley3860]

Show the evidence regarding Tommy Robinson or rather don't discuss him

[@londonhodnet4079]

If it wasn’t for T.R. Where would all those young girls be? Who would have spoken or protected them? Check facts please

[@jeffreychatfield7881]

Please elaborate, is Tommy Robinson directly responsible for a protest or a Riot? have seen the documentary have you?

[@Globaldave1970]

Course they have. Its her FT job!!

[@jeffreychatfield7881]

@@Globaldave1970 Have not seen that one post it up if you can i will try and find it.

[@DavidBaronStevens]

teach your kids ethical hacking. if we live in a world governed by technology, those who are masters of technology rule the world

[@DaboooogA]

Silkie Carlo has been a steadfast fighter for our freedom of speech

[@stephenthwaite3115]

TR has never promoted violence. He is an influencer. Have you watched his video? I don’t think you have.

[@clivemathieu9386]

But we are still allowed to where full burkas right?

[@ChristineAustin-y2f]

Don't see why not, I am thinking of it, been thinking of it for a while.

[@JohnHaveaguessGoogle]

Just put out the rumour that the latest cameras have X-Ray vision to defeat facemasks...then sit back and laugh at the reactions.

[@just_another32]

we will all have to wear them when facial recognition is in full use

[@tamashumi7961]

Or a surgical mask against covid ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@grannyannie2948]

Cultural appropriation will become criminal

[@barbaracleverly9058]

Both of these women should put a few hours in for research before speaking. Another offshoot of the ‘regime media’?

[@asurvila]

What "innocent child" does Silkie Carlo refer to in Tommy Robinson's film? He is the most lied about and abused by the state man in Britain - yet you still believe uncritically the official version. Tommy Robinson told the story about the real innocent children who suffered unjustly because the lying media turned that story upside down and even Theresa May misinformed the whole world about it - I tend to believe Tommy Robinson's version for a reason.

[@Barrettszippo]

Two-middle class women discussing massive social changes that will have no impact on them whatsoever. Well done, nice one 👏🏻👍🏻

[@Globaldave1970]

Thats about the whole country is run.

[@chaosflower4892]

2 tier Rockefeller Foundation Kier will usher in social credit.. say something bad online? no train journey for you.

[@lankyboy90]

"Should bad things be on the internet?" - Who defines and decides what is 'Bad'? Opening up to censorship like this is a slippery slope.

[@Globaldave1970]

The State are Judge, Jury and Executioner of course.

[@spiritusinfinitus]

On 27th June the Home Office published a tender for police facial recognition API for national facial matching service. After taking office Keir Starmer jumped at the earliest possible opportunity to capitalise on this using National Security concerns as the trigger.

[@dirkvanschalkwyk1919]

Allowing Tommy Robinson on X is no different than allowing outspoken imams.

[@JohnHaveaguessGoogle]

The bloody Taliban are on X.

[@0my]

There's a difference.

[@garethmillar978]

@@0mywhat’s the difference?

[@0my]

@@garethmillar978 it's a good thing to let them both talk. So you know who they are. But they are different because one is defending crimes against children, women, and gays. And the other is Tommy trying to warn us.

[@alanbutterworth4219]

To all those supporting Tommy Robinson, make no mistake, he's an MI6 asset. Just like these two woman, the agent provocateurs out in the field, they all work for the establishment. The best thing you can do is disengage from the whole system.

[@techtipsuk]

Yet another journalist blaming Tommy. Did any of you actually watch any of his videos? In every single one he voiced his anger but without exception always called for calm and for older men to take control of their younger element. So I’m afraid what you have just said isn’t controversial it’s just wrong.

[@awen777]

Didn't someone ask Gandhi, 'What about the fact they can kill you?!' He just smiled and said , ' Then they shall have our dead bodies to deal with!' Now is the time to embrace our inner Gandhi.

[@MajorT0m]

Kier talks about how orgsnised these rioters are and so they need facial recognition to stop them boarding trains. Well, if they're that organised, can't one of them just hire a minibus?

[@samlee6749]

Obviously not - according to the great Sir Keir the far right can only work out how to travel by train.

[@TP-om8of]

They take advantage of the 30% discount that comes with National Rail’s Right-Wing Thuggery Travel Card.

[@samlee6749]

​@@TP-om8of😂😂😂 Sir Keir has just discontinued that one

[@MajorT0m]

@@TP-om8of Jolly amusing sir!

[@iseenochains-oops7863]

It has been reported that those arrested were ALL from within 5 Miles of the event!

[@jacktanner7738]

All these measures against the common man and woman.

[@Seansaighdeoir]

Silke outs herself in the first minute as being unable to do anything but repeat the MSM narrative regarding the protests so interesting to ponder just what her role really is.

[@NineInchTyrone]

VERY disappointed in Unherd. This is BBC level excrement

[@user-hello644]

Robert F KENNEDY JUNIOR MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT DEBATE! PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW ALL THE ALTERNATIVES, IN ORDER TO VOTE FREELY!

[@rufusreloaded1043]

I used to live in Chris Philp's constituency. A few months ago he sent a triumphant email saying how he'd set up facial recognition cameras in Croydon High Street with the local police. So everyone in the street is unknowingly going through a series of checkpoints. How very East Germany. When I go back to the UK now, the first thing that hits me is the authoritarianism everywhere. Signs everywhere telling you what you're not allowed to do and how you'll be punished if you step out out of line. I'm completely done wish the place. It's not like that in Europe. The British public are mostly to blame for it too, they did nothing when the surveillance cameras went up. Now they have the hell they wished for.

[@kingshousetube]

Yeah, I'd be careful of your neighbours and their doorbell/cameras...

[@SuperJohntoo]

​@@kingshousetubeThey can be accessed by the authorities

[@linbadd1]

Sadly, you are correct. The turkeys keep voting for Christmas.

[@l.sophia2803]

In the US, we do it ourselves, each house with its own cameras, and the Amazon module eavesdropping 24/7 that has been subpoenaed and used in courts, without any consent. The surveillance state doesnt need this announced tech here to be in the open in order to have it already through satellites and other tech.. Dont underestimate the fear the politicians can use against the people, as they recognize the state has taken this control with no democratic process. Self censorship and monitoring is a psy op component.

[@Globaldave1970]

I remember Croydon (CCCP) High Street.

[@Rollie961]

Wow you two need to get all your facts right RE Tommy R.

[@chrisf9377]

18:05 The judge in the TR vs Syrian schoolboy case (which the documentary is about) dismissed all 12 witnesses (7 teachers including the head - Some teachers were forced to sign NDAs, 5 pupils) as 'liars' with 'sometimes people lie for no reason'. If you can't find the documentary then I'd suggest watching the first part of TR's interview with Jordan Peterson where he explains what happened.

[@JustWhy-nq5dx]

I was agreeing with most of what you said, until the 'vulnerable child' bullshit. The rapist, you mean?

[@davehughes4042]

Once i read the comments and seen she blamed Tommy Robinson i turned off.

[@chrischevalier6107]

Tommy the boogieman. Maybe Unherd could invite him on the show. He could explain how he is responsible for everything and the govt is blameless.

[@Globaldave1970]

They wont. State have outlawed him. He will be imprisoned in October. Its obvious.

[@59Gretsch]

I think the guest is still under the illusion that former rights can be preserved and the diversity project can coexist. Because the diversity project has so many fault lines it’s required that people responding to those faultlines be silenced. It’s required.

[@alrightthengreat]

“Should bad things be allowed on the internet?” The question should be who gets to describe what is good and what is bad?

[@rightmatt]

I really dont know much about Tommy Robinson but i have to say, i now get suspicious when someone gets condemned without specifics and any defence. It seems to me that even the best meaning commentators and journalists like to flaunt something to the left (always to the left) to demonstrate that they aren't leaning too far to the right, not really. The constant mentioning of Tommy Robinson feels a bit like that. I wonder might we all be better served by your grilling him on this great show?! I remain impressed and even thankful for the work of unherd these last few, tumultuous years.

[@paulallen1497]

This was a very bias interview, Calling protesters “Far Right” claiming Tommy Robinsons breach of court conditions was against a vulnerable child. Any push back?

[@Globaldave1970]

State agent.

[@bigdaz7272]

What about the new one Mal-information. Information that is True only the Censors would rather you not know about because it all too often shows their narrative up to be utter Lies.

[@zoltanschreter7671]

Unsubscribed because of the lazy, uninformed reporting about TR.

[@andrewmcallister7781]

So in summary “we should have free speech except for the people that say things you dont like”, however, the problem is the line of what you (society, government) dont like changes and what happens when your reasonable views (not talking extremist views) dont align with the with the current power anymore. You cant have the good parts of free speech without some bad. I’m am not condoning the violence that has been going on

[@DiamondLil]

And who defines "extremism" at any time?

[@andrewmcallister7781]

@@DiamondLil the word often overused or misused in inflammatory language IMO. Both left and right will often paint views they dont agree with as extremist when they arent. History is written by the victor, they get to decide.

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

16:15 how is that not controversial to say? Show me evidence of this. Tommy has repeatedly told people NOT to riot. But to be frank, the people have tried voting and peaceful protesting and immigration only keeps increasing. At some point violence is the only option if the powers that be won't listen.

[@m4inline]

An important error in Silkie's assessment. She says that 74% of AI scans are false alerts and that makes them inaccurate. This is not true or is misleading. Imagine a flow of one million people at a busy train station results in 40 matches. 30 of them are false. This is a 75% false match rate that allows the police to manually check only 40 faces. 1 in 4 will be correct. A few minutes work. To my mind, this comment from her undermines the intellectual foundation she uses for the rest of her interview. Even though I agree with many of her conclusions.

[@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602]

A 60-year-old Brazilian guy is going to England for the first time. He never even dreamed of committing a crime there. When he leaves the airport in London, he gets into a self-driving taxi and tells it where he wants to go. The vehicle's camera captures his image, and the company's facial recognition AI system, which uses the same technology as the police and has access to the Metropolitan Police database, identifies him as a dangerous criminal with the profile of a cold-blooded murderer who has already been convicted and is on the run. The system sends a warning to the police, the taxi closes its door and instead of taking the passenger to his destination, it drops him off at the door of the nearest Police Station, where armed officers are waiting for him. When he gets out of the vehicle, frightened, the officer shouts something he doesn't understand. The guy reaches into his jacket pocket to get his passport, and a nervous officer puts two bullets in his chest. The police action is considered exemplary. But the taxi company complains in the press: the Metropolitan Police should pay an extra fee for their assistance. Debates in Parliament... This was supposed to be a fictional dystopian short story, but it turned out to be a trivial possibility now. Better not travel to England.

[@ppetal1]

No. That never happened. The police killed an innocent and unarmed Brazilian on the tube in London during the original wave of islamophobic hatred. Menezes, was his name. Cops got away with murder there.

[@andrewbaldwin4454]

The Manchester Arena bombing in May 2017 occurred outside of an Ariana Grande concert. The perpetrators were two brothers, aged 20 and 22, whose parents were Libyan refugees. They were Islamist terrorists, and claimed to be motivated by the deaths of Moslem children in the Syrian Civil War. A little more than seven years later, this massacre of school girls in another town in northern England who were attending a Taylor Swift dance class will look very similar to many people. It too occurs in the wake of concern about the killing of Moslem children, this time in Gaza. So it seems strange that Flo would assert that the perpetrator is not a Moslem with absolute certainty, when this would seem to be a subject of conjecture. His parents were Rwandan immigrants or refugees, I’m not sure which, and we have been told that they were church-goers, but not which church they went to. By the way, about 5% of Rwanda’s population is Moslem; they are not all Christian. The perpetrator may have been in contact with people who might have converted him to Islam even within the Rwandan diaspora. This would seem to have been an action quite out of keeping with his previous behaviour. Why might it not have been the byproduct of a religious conversion? If any journalists have gathered information that would support this having happened the publication ban would not allow them to publish it, and regrettably, this will continue to be the case for up to a year or more. Flo is too woke by half. She should have just said that there is no public evidence now that the perpetrator was an Islamist terrorist and he had a Christian upbringing and left it that.

[@m4inline]

...and a few days before the Austrian police prevented an Islamist terror attack at a Taylor Swift concert. Makes you wonder what she said to provoke these vermin.

[@mattsmusic9361]

Far too cautious and careful. Giving the government way too much benefit of the doubt. They know exactly what they're doing, we know what they're doing, and they know that we know what they're doing. It needs to be called out loudly and strongly, before it's too late.

[@paaaaaaaaq]

UK is in trouble. Enjoy Orwell's future.

[@conorwhite2066]

CCP lubing themselves up... at the thought of adopting their ways

[@NPC-st7zv]

Nah, they go in dry.

[@mikewaite5507]

This guest seems to believe human rights lawyers are in it for the human rights 😂😂

[@jacquedegatineau9037]

It might be time to re-evaluate what you *think* you know about the rioters/protestors when you see their negative portrayal being used to consolidate power.

[@wyliecelt]

I challenge you to prove your contention by posting here any video footage of him doing so, that TR has been promoting any rioting and violence. He has done nothing more than state fact regarding acts carried out by a demographic, the lack of action by Govt actors and call for peaceful protest.

[@Kevin-ew1xz]

The need for a real written constitution & electoral reform are greater than it’s ever been.

[@frze5645]

We already have a written constitution albeit in several forms... Magna Carta, the declaration of rights, etc.

[@Kevin-ew1xz]

@@frze5645 these aren’t even worth the paper their written on. They are an excuse to be used to say we have a constitution.

[@RichardEnglander]

We don't, check Starkey on this, too complex to explain but as above, English Common Law etc

[@Kevin-ew1xz]

@@RichardEnglander that isn’t good enough for the time we are in. Every single other democrat country has a clearly defined written constitution. We don’t. It’s always vague documents but that is meaningless.

[@simonlee8889]

It might have escaped your attention, BUT the latest raft of Tory legislation which was fully backed by the Labour 'opposition' and all passed in the last government before Sunak called the election actually made the breaking of the law by the police and security services something for which these services were given complete immunity from prosecution. So basically, they can do anything they like, whenever they like, to whomsoever they like, wherever they like (including outside the country) for whatever reason they like without any fear of reprisal. It was frankly, a raft of legislation for long-lasting untouchable tyranny.

[@wordimobi5765]

I'm so sick of hearing these middle-class pearl-clutching presenters referring to angry working class people as Far Right.

[@AntGeezer]

Almost a throw away comment relating to Elon Musk who’s all for free speech provided that you play by his rules…. The worry is, you can’t vote him out!

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Fundamentaly, it will be about *self determination* . - Does the English population want to control their fate, their borders, their culture ? - Does the English want Free Speech ? Some have already argued that the freedom-lovers, are the ones who funded the US, while the submissive ones stayed in the UK. Will that hold true ? We'll see in the near future, I guess. 🤗

[@TP-om8of]

No! We want the government to tell us what to do and how to think!

[@rogerw2235]

I thought Protecting Borders and Population was a primary responsibility of any government. How about 24 hour courts to imprison the Knife Carrying Thugs on our streets.

[@TP-om8of]

@@rogerw2235 That’s so racist and homophobic and transphobic and sexist!!

[@johnmcmenemy3864]

Silkie and Chuck Veitch ... Who do they really work for??? Are unherd now working for the same masters? Check out their history

[@burrru007]

KGB = Kingdom of Great Britain

[@PhilipRittscher]

The slow creep of China level surveillence across the West right before our eyes.

[@krizzleize]

Far right blah blah. Pass

[@jameswhite7997]

I think Starmer is thinking very clearly- he knows exactly what hes doing.

[@greg1943-u3i]

Fun fact: putting fake eyes on your forehead confuses facial recognition and the surveillance state. There are lots of 100% legal hacks out there if you don't want the state following you around.