Silver Wolf vs Pela ft. Jiaoqiu | E0S0 Acheron Team Comparison | MoC 2.4

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[@cornflakebutsilly]

Apologies, i forgot to include SW build at the end, and i forgot to change her 2 pc spd + 2 pc BE to 4 pc wind in the run. I tested it again with wind and the clear times barely changed so its fine ig.

[@Secret123890]

Did we do a Pela VS Sparkle in a team comp where Jiaoqiu is in? If not, can we have that please?

[@TheeGull0213]

Your videos are really encouraging me to go all in on jiaoqiu. I appreciate the comparisons with other units and proving the doomposters through actual gameplay.

[@critanddam9031]

💀💀💀💀

[@TheeGull0213]

@@critanddam9031 why?

[@critanddam9031]

@@TheeGull0213 like jiaqiu is not that much value over pela waste of 80pulls

[@TheeGull0213]

@@critanddam9031 i'll run them both so don't worry about my pulls.

[@critanddam9031]

@@TheeGull0213 thats not my point. the point is hes useless on any tesam that isnt acheron so hyperinvesting on her team by getting acheron constealltion or weapon is more worth it

[@kennethyoung7457]

I wish we could still get Before the Tutorial starts there is not any other lightcone that give effect hit rate and energy even limited 5 star lightcones don't do this.

[@seraphywang4638]

Actually, there’s a lightcone that gives energy in Herta’s shop for every enemy defeated by a dot effected by wearer which helps with energy especially in Pure Fiction. Sampo’s lightcone “Eye of the Prey” is also very good even at refinement 1 for him (+28%ehr for S1 and then 48% at S5). Even without the lightcone, his ehr needs arent as high as some people think with just a little investment

[@tsubasaxo]

we should be getting it in 2.6 herta shop rejoice

[@meowblaziken5634]

Man, no wonder they nerf Jq 5 times, they even overnefed him, still will pull him tho

[@wandersonvitor3054]

Same

[@brianaguilar5204]

Yeah, he would’ve completely changed the course of the game if they had gone with his beta kit.

[@dazzle810]

​@@brianaguilar5204kinda like ruan mei when she first came out, so I kinda wish they did like acheron too

[@UOHCUNY]

i just want healing in his kit man

[@Ordell1991]

@tardwrangler1019 Idk why I want him to be like Mr Welt 2.0 Not just center around debuff team. I want the break effect like in Gallagher and Mr Welt kit.

[@ameerr0812]

2 cycle againt lightning res im take it

[@miserlys]

Sw makes it 7% so thats probably why

[@NcloyZ177]

That's because SW brings so much ress shred for acheron

[@AevyCh]

​​@@miserlys It's actually -17% since Acheron herself has built in 20% RES PEN during Ult. People often forget about that part of her kit.

[@yourdanasty1]

your gallagher build is insane, great job!

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

i dont have acheron, kafka or ratio and im not planning on getting them, but im getting jiaoqiu anyway! he might not be as good as ruan mei or other harmonies but hes not useless and that already is enough for me. he might have a team he excels at but his debuff is universal so imma pair him with a random pretty dps and ill be happy abt it ty for the video btw

[@nazenara1]

How come you don't have ratio, isn't he free

[@natweigel]

@@nazenara1 new players who start playing recently can’t get him he’s gone now. 😂

[@user-ii9lu8ln1c]

@@natweigelsucks to be them fr

[@Alik-ld8hm]

Can you do Silverwolf+pela vs jaoqui+(pela or silver) in acheron team

[@insaecticides]

this

[@insaecticides]

heavy on sw + pela vs jq + pela

[@alexleonard2348]

It's ridiculous how none of your showcases actually changed people's mind on him, which is sad. He is not worth it for people despite what they can see on your channel (assuming they even watch the videos)... That aside, I wish there was at least some comparisons for E2 Acheron.

[@cloudy978]

Most of his nerfs were nothing changes and didn't actually change what made him strong. The only nerf that actually mattered was the ashen roast ultimate stack limit change. People fail to realize that he gave acheron double the stacks that she wpuld before and that is what made him strong. Even if his debuff itself is just good enough his value comes from giving acheron more ultimates which he does and it skyrockets her damage because she has more uptime.

[@Vash_wrio]

There’s a vid on this channel about e2s1Acheron + Sparkle vs E0S1 Acheron + Jiaoqiu and they both cleared in the same cycle. Considering that the first team costs 2 5* more Jiaoqiu is a pretty good upgrade.

[@taru5156]

those who doompost and doubt him are mostly incels, imagine if its a waifu character instead of male then those losers gonna do the opposite lol

[@Wagyube-ef]

@@cloudy978 And people already found an alternative to his limit stack changes that still makes Acheron viable in PF with him yet people dodge it and continue to throw shade its crazy.

[@mayuyuki6386]

simple: not pulls and free jiaoqiu to other people wish him in your account ~ the game is free to all choice what want got or not

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Me with E1 Silver Wolf and E6 Pela, making do for both with 160+ speed, 4pc Eagle set..and their 2 Turn Ult spam.

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

And who is your sustain ?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

still 1 cycle difference

[@JMike-bq6rl]

@@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive Gallagher with Multiplication LC....To feed Acheron and Occasional Pela's Skillspam. Sometimes they are SP neutral.

[@LazyCatOnTheRoof]

Can you please do E2 Acheron + Sparkle, but comparing Jiaoqiu E0S0 vs E6 Pela? I would like know if it's worth pulling him. I know he'll be better, but how much better?

[@wahidrizki_]

I think JQ always better. He can give debuff per enemy turn

[@wandersonvitor3054]

JQ is obviously better, faster ults= more damage

[@RitinhaGE]

JQ is better in every scenario

[@necasa4919]

I also wish to know this. Because this "how much better" is what will determine if it will be worth the pulls he needs. Picking him up means potentially crippling myself for future pulls, so I want to know if it will actually be worth it.

[@RitinhaGE]

@@necasa4919 he can charge her ult faster than pela c6 ever could she can just charge with her skill or ultimate maybe if you have the light one that inflicts burn she can charge it with her NA while JQ charges her skill with all his attacks plus whenever the enemy attacks. It all comes down to that no matter how many eidolons pela has she’s never gonna charge Acheron ult as fast as him. If you have E2 and sparkle plus JQ Acheron ult will be up much more often than with pela

[@yepyen]

I have e0s0 acheron and silver wolf, the most efficient way for me is to get jiaoqui then acherons light cone. I dont wanna waste 200 pulls for e2 acheron just to get like 30% more dmg. I hope i am right

[@donew1thita11]

You are right a showcase showed that e0s0 Acheron with jiaoqui was Barely worse than an e2s1 Acheron with sparkle, at worst a cycle longer but if you play correctly same number of cycles

[@dontuknowhowsweetittastes]

the value of a e2 acheron comes in the ease of team building, not requiring 3 nihility characters in a team enables acheron to benefit from broken harmony units such as sparkle/bronya

[@lukefouche8724]

You are right!

[@oyfum2638]

Do Pela Jiaoqiu vs Pela Silverwolf

[@Taunt_1NG_U]

When you're the 69th like: but why not all of them in a team?

[@ryostra1782]

My acheron pela and SW team still got 2 cycle clear on MoC, and with DoTcheron in PF i always got 40k, so there's no necessary for getting jq

[@necasa4919]

The only showcase I'm interested in is E2 Acheron + Sparkle or Bronya as base, and then Pela vs Jiaoqiu. I know the latter will come on top, but I want to know "how much" better is it.

[@ianong6330]

still wondering should i pull jiaoqiu here :D having archeron e2 and also e2 silver wolf should i still go for jiaoqiu ?

[@linhmy7673]

Me having no ache and about to pull jiao for pela and sw: interesting

[@4g3nt06]

Ive never seen the mech wolf do anything bc i killed it too fast in the story lmao

[@hdhdhvdjgdjjdbjdb5541]

With herta lc he's a beast

[@tosakah]

Can you make: Acheron E2 + Sparkle, Pela vs Jiaoqiu?

[@dh4sje302]

sw in ideal sityation w 40% res, and she rolls 33% yea shure

[@eh1165]

Ugh i was originally just thinking I'll skip but hes better than i thought... How much of a difference is his E1?

[@eh1165]

I have both an E0S1 Acheron team and a dot team

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@eh1165 15% damage increase on Acheron teams

[@Kinnofaswan]

What lc should i use for him? Resolution is already on Pela, GNSW for Acheron, and Eyes of prey on BS, i have every other nihility LCs available except limited 5 stars, tutorial, and boundless choreo

[@The_CodFish69]

Welp Rip then because besides his and SWs Sig then his BIS is Tutorial…

[@Kinnofaswan]

​@@The_CodFish69 should I pull him then? I already have e6 Pela and e1 Black Swan but I feel like I'm not doing enough dmg and I don't want to ever pull for a sig LC...

[@The_CodFish69]

@@Kinnofaswan well do you have Kafka? Because if yes then sure go for him and run the dot team in the second half. However if you don’t then it’s up to you at this point, E1 BS is a good character on the Acheron team so it depends on you sadly to make the choice. Jia is more for people like me who’s stuck with Guin on my Acheron team and even tho I won’t S1 him I have Tutorial so I’m good with lc.

[@dariusfarrel3228]

@@The_CodFish69i have the same scenario as you being im stuck with Guinaifen and no SW, but my Acheron is E1S1 Should i just try to go for Jiaoqiu or just wait it out more and go for E2 and Sparkle?

[@The_CodFish69]

@@dariusfarrel3228 hmm at that point welp that’s also a hard choice lol because if ya had Sparkle then go for E2 100% but because you more or less have a F2P team you can’t make use of E2 Archeron’s full potential. However, I’d say go for E2 she’s can hit harder if you use any harmony on the team for example if you have E1S1 Broyna is like sparkle at home lol and most importantly the one extra stack per turn.

[@aethavens]

my team rn is e0s0 acheron, e6 pela, e2 gui. should i pull for jq or wait until sw to replace gui?

[@disckorrt]

Pull for him

[@The_CodFish69]

I have the Same team except I have S1 Acheron but my Guin is E0

[@A_ShinySuicune]

he is straight up better for acheron in all content

[@zeuscliff9676]

I have the same team except e1 guinaifen, used him in story and my Acheron ulted faster so I'm gonna pull for him

[@ctglloured]

go for jiaoqiu, he's definitely way better for acheron and maybe future dps. sw is no longer useable outside mono quantum and acheron team. ever since characters like firefly and boothill that can implant weakness by theirself, sw value is kinda outdated tbh

[@Reggaement]

Black Swan or Jiaoqiu is better with E0 Acheron?

[@yofukashidayo]

Jiaoqiu much better for acheron specifically but if you have kafka I'd pull Blackswan for a full dot team

[@Ordell1991]

Idk why Mr Welt skill looks appealing and satisfying than Jiaoqiu.

[@noelia3186]

I have acheron e0s1 but i reeally want jiao andd sparkle but also fei soo i can only pull for sparkle or jia buut idk whichh one ;---; any suggestion?

[@dianafox2175]

If you want your Acheron to be a beast that spams ults, go for JQ. If you have like a DHIL or Jingliu and want them to be insane, go for Sparkle. In short: JQ for Acheron teams, Sparkle for SP hungry DPS and hypercarries (that are not Acheron)

[@lukefouche8724]

jia is great for Acheron and is actually a good option in DOT teams due to his good debuff! Sparkle is great if you want to boost the hell out of Imbibitor Lunae or Jingliu or Dr.Ratio, otherwise, go JQ

[@Guitarp-tr8nq]

i don't think you even need sustain when you kill the enemy before it kill you how about e2s1acheron e0s0jiaoqiu e2(with event lc) silver wolf and e2s1sparkle? that will be my team lol

[@ciasen763]

Can someone tell me why acheron only gain 1 stack after using skill at 2:38?

[@vergil9023]

She does not have her sig weapon that's why

[@sivinkxavier1106]

Bcs no sig lighcone

[@ciasen763]

Ohhh, i forgot lc gives stack lol, thanks

[@wandersonvitor3054]

It's a E0 S0 Acheron, she only gets two stacks when she has her Lightcone

[@kev1834]

@cornflake can u or maybe someone else explain me how much effect hit rate actually JQ needs to 100% debuff the enemies in MOC? i understand that he needs at least 140% for his trace but his debuffs base chance to apply on the enemies are the same as black swan right? do that mean he only needs 120% effect hit rate to just land the debuffs? because i keep seeing in some post that if he gets his sig lightcone he needs 180% effect hit rate, but the chance to apply those debuffs are the same as his skills, so why is the difference so high?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

His base chance for inflicting Ashen Roast in his ult is 60%, Black Swan's base chance for Arcana is 65% so his requirements are a bit higher. Try for 140% EHR in MoC, at 140% he has a 86% chance of landing the debuff and at 100% EHR he has a 70% chance. He needs 177% EHR to guarantee landing his debuffs but its not required to build that much.

[@kev1834]

@@cornflakebutsilly okay now things actually makes sense now ty

[@jaloy9325]

Is Eyes of Prey the only f2p option on him? No Tutorial and Resolution is on Pela

[@4..x]

u need EHR mainly 177.8 otherwise it will effects his performance, herta shop LC is viable option imo in PF so u will have more uptime on uis ultimate

[@donew1thita11]

Is he good with Dr ratio?

[@wolfe4156]

This is what I wanna know too

[@SUPERsourbum]

yeah iirc i remember seeing a video where he actually works really good with ratio and actually matches topaz in clear time

[@ctglloured]

this channel already posted its showcase, scroll it

[@Internextion]

what about jiaoqiu on wind set?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

Will be hard to hit 160 spd while also hitting his EHR requirements

[@darknessflame8826]

Jiaoqiu X Pela Or Jiaoqiu X Black Swan on Acheron?

[@Not_Kritikal]

Pela better but Black Swan works if you don't have/ haven't built Pela

[@Loxly-ti4sq]

I have e0s0 Acheron, E6 Pela, and E1 Gui. Should I wait for SW or just go for Jiaoqiu to replace gui?

[@pinkinglily6447]

Jiaoqiu. He is acheron BiS support even when shes E2. Faster clear than guinaifen (difference can be as big as 2-3 cycles). At this point guinaifen is simply a budget jiaoqiu and a substitute for jiaoqiu in DoT team

[@wandersonvitor3054]

For Acheron? Go for Jiaoqiu

[@johnwill9511]

jiaqiou or silver wolf?( for e0s0 acheron) i have pela already and i currently have 165 pulls but i plan on getting lingsha and feixiao for fua team as i have topaz aventurine and robin so i plan on skipping jiaqiou and getting silverwolf on her rerun which is 2.6 or so and acherons lc

[@TheeGull0213]

Jiaoqiu of course if you want to main acheron. Silverwolf is bad if you don't have her e1 because of poor ult uptime while Jiaoqiu works perfectly at E0S0 for acheron

[@ninthfriend3347]

Jiaoqiu easily. SW without her tutorial lc or e1 has poor ult uptime. And by the time SW gets her rerun again, you probably don't need her.

[@johnwill9511]

@@ninthfriend3347 yea your probably right thanks

[@johnwill9511]

@@TheeGull0213 thanks ill probably get jiaoqiu and maybe get fexiao unless they nerf her

[@felipesouza1792]

o pior boss pra acheron, sem cone e sem harmonia de turno extra ainda sim fez muito rapido pra um suporte flopado desse kkk

[@a.p5193]

Usually i always go for support. but yeah, i don't think i need JQ.

[@marclenraymagdaraog691]

Yeah, unfortunately he got nerfed.. so rn he's kinda useless vs just having Sparkle + Pela. I might as well go for E2 Acheron and kill anything in this game.

[@Internextion]

@@marclenraymagdaraog691the nerfs barely affected him and hes still stronger than e2 for acheron lol

[@lesterism]

E2 Acheron w/ sparkle still clears MOC minimum 1-2 cycle. Even 0 Cycle if you sweat run.​@@Internextion

[@Internextion]

@@lesterism why spend 2-4 pities on upgrades for a single character (that costs more) than just spending 1-2 on a new support who can be used in multiple teams and maybe some on his lc since they have similar performances?

[@zerk343]

​@@Internextion who cares bro ppl just prefer get e2 acheron than pull for a npc char

[@daiwang8111]

This comparison is biased toward sw imo, because sw reduce enemy lightning res when she implant lightning weakness to non lightning weak enemy

[@Ihavenoname109]

bro thats a part of her kit, just like acherons ult

[@daiwang8111]

@@Ihavenoname109 but the lightning res down debuff isnt applied if enemy is already lightning weak, so i think it will be more fair to compare it against lightning weak enemy

[@astralcomet674]

Sigh idk when common sense gonna actually be common. This just makes it more noticeable on how viable silverwolf makes her for non weak lightning enemies.

[@astralcomet674]

​​@@daiwang8111and? It would be the same clear. If the team with pela was 1 cycle slower in a non lightning weak scenario then expect sw to have the same number of clears in a lightning weak scenario or slightly faster. Acheron doesn't need the extra defense shred on the weaker mobs since she does so much damage. It's the elite mobs and bosses that you need to focus the Def shred on.

[@scopeyui240]

TEAM JQ x Pela !!

[@subpakk]

Do for Black Swarn please, don't separate her gay mate

[@Wagyube-ef]

I wonder who'll perform better, a DOT centric unit or a nihility debuffer thats kit revolves around Ultimate DMG increase and vulnerability % increase who also somehow performs equally to black swan at DOT for some reason

[@Datbombboody]

​@@Wagyube-effor some reason? read her kit

[@ilovebanana177]

"gay mate" and they won't t even meet again after Penacony

[@ilovecamie]

​@@ilovebanana177you're mad they kiss

[@Rachel-Pham]

@@ilovecamieAcheron actually told me that she likes Black Swan too. Lesbians won

[@Kriss.S.V]

He is not really change acheron damage output tho, just use pela and sw if you have sw or guinaifen, i'd rather save my jade for future character if i have acheron😂

[@planetbefall4744]

Me if I was a dumbass

[@Rachel-Pham]

Sorry pal. He’s the best for Mei

[@yofukashidayo]

wish his design and animations were better

[@lesterism]

Not impressive, i'll wait for aven's rerun and slap my s5 trend. This run doesn't even come close to my E1S1 Ach

[@Wawawawawa750]

none of these enemies are weak to lightning so it's worst case scenario vs your own run. Also S1 is a big boost to Acheron so unfair comparison

[@The_CodFish69]

Also don’t forget this is a budget build team so if his Acheron had good relics it would have been at least one cycle faster.

[@hershyijustshatmyself9253]

This is E0S0 Acheron vs. an enemy with a 40% Lightning Resistance. To say that E1S1 Acheron would clear faster is dumb, no offense.

[@A_ShinySuicune]

Sounds like nitpicking/selective reasoning. The trend cope also gotta stop

[@ctglloured]

comparing e0s0 acheron with mid built to your e1s1 is pretty stoopid ngl. not to mention its already 2 cycle clear with lightning res enemies. you want an e0s0 character to did 0 cycle? what a dumbass

[@HsrMy]

I think a lot of people underated SW. she is really good unit, that can shred enemy pens. Shred def, have so many debuff type. & people are overated JIAOQIU. I not say he bad, but he only work with acheron , on dot team you need e2 so he can be better than guinaifen. If you have E0/E1 or S0 acheron, you better save for acheron E2 or S1, than wasting your pull for him. If you are a gigawhale , DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

[@minamiheroine4397]

can u pls make a comparison between e0s1 vs e1s0(pearl of sweat) jiaoqui 🥹 i dnt know if i should go e1 or s1 for more dmg for my acheron team.

[@cornflakebutsilly]

E1 with S5 Pearls is a 9% damage increase over E0 with signature.

[@minamiheroine4397]

@@cornflakebutsilly tnx!

[@JMike-bq6rl]

@@minamiheroine4397 Why not use the 5 star Herta Nihility LC on Jiaoqiu, especially if you need the Burst uptime?

[@minamiheroine4397]

@@JMike-bq6rl i dnt really struggling on uptime bec i have sparkle, so jiaoqui can cast BA>skill>skill. im using pela & SW, my SW always casting her skill my sp still fine. i ignore the dot on his kit and focus on support, hes 160spd /keel and 136EHR.

[@whiteangel1138]

​@@JMike-bq6rl Herta nihility LC is only good in PF where JQ can spam his ult, practically making the 6 cap limit nonexistent. In AS and MoC Lukacone will always be better because by the time he reached his cap, he most likely already got his ult back.