Jiaoqiu vs Guinaifen | E0S1 Acheron Team Comparison | MoC 2.3

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Difference between someone who just reads leaks and people who actually played the beta:

[@minhtienbui6691]

so stupid when they compare Jaoqiu & Guinafen. One was born for debuff and one was born for DoT( and a little debuff). Either one is 5 star and one is 4 star.

[@kalodawg8297]

Jiaoqiu is another black swan lmao Remember all the "Sampo is only 10% worse than Black Swan!" doomposts?

[@Wagyube-ef]

Same VA as Kazuha, he was deemed "side grade sucrose". The cycle repeats itself; only a matter of time

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@Wagyube-ef Even more similar is both Sucrose and Pela are short and wear glasses.

[@a.arrondel6379]

​@@Wagyube-efnah because both kazuha and sucrose are great and have different upside (em share and double swirl vs dmg% and ease of use) meanwhile the only upside JQ has over guinaifen is essentially more damage and a minor ultimate dmg buff bc oh wait he needs to be an Acheron support. Black swan on the other hand is better than sampo in every possible scenario, the closest he comes to her is single target (where the 10% comes from) but even then she's still better and unrealistic since every boss besides Kafka has spawns

[@iamwayne6138]

​@@a.arrondel6379 He kinda like Ruan mei, universal but csn be replace by another niche support while also being a niche support of a team( Ruan mei is break, Jiao is Archeron team ), so I don't understand why people doompost him so much while praising Ruan mei

[@shimmering17.]

@@iamwayne6138because ruan mei has COMPLETELY universal buffs (they are also better) Jiaoqiu has 15% vuln locked behind people who do main dmg with ult Ruan mei’s buffs aren’t locked by anything and can be used by anyone. DMG% (like 68%) RES pen (25%, pretty much a 25% dmg buff) speed (10%, a really good utility) He’s still great though

[@kringkring70]

Jiaoqiu literally fixes almost all of nihility debuffer's problems, such as 1. Not having 100% debuff uptime 2. Debuffs not applying on all enemies 3. Having to reapply debuffs when new enemies spawn. Been waiting and saving for a nihility debuffer that doesn't have the problems that I mentioned above, and I guess my patience paid off lol. Now I'm hoping that they'll release character(s) that can benefit from lots of healing, HP fluctuations, or even converting overheal to damage so that my Luocha/Blade will become better 😅

[@Oogwaysensei47]

Imagine a Harmony unit that has a kit similar to dewdrop from su

[@badussywar8938]

lol just use black swan, this dude is so nerfed there really is no reason to pull unless you like the character

[@taru5156]

@@badussywar8938 what do u smoke my dude to be salty af about a damn pixels, he is way better than midswan on acheron team so cope harder with ur imaginary waifus lol

[@angelixaroxe2986]

hes such a good qol but ppl only care about multipliers.

[@HazZzel-]

Plus he has an ult buff and the strongest debuffs like sign me up I'd pull regardless but seriously

[@cornflakebutsilly]

"Almost as good as Jiaoqiu" >clears twice as slow All 4 Jiaoqiu runs that i did, even the ones with bad rng were 1 cycle clears. Out of the 10 Guinaifen runs, only this run managed to 3 cycle.

[@nguyenthanhphong2922]

A lot realized Jiaoqiu is better than 4 star option in Acheron team but isn't strong in Dot team cause his kit. Others just take the part " isn't strong enough or not good as gui" out of context. Also the synergy between Gui and Acheron isn't good, Acheron-Gui never be top meta team . So if you want to upgrade Acheron, Jiaoqiu is so good. But Acheron without him is strong enough with pela or black swan so he is optional -> skip him for new characters is acceptable btw.

[@thiccbean7947]

@@nguyenthanhphong2922 I thought Jiaoqiu performed close but not as good as ruan mei in dots? Does Guin actually perform better with black swan and Kafka Or are we talking about Jiaoqiu as if he’s replacing BS/kafka?

[@sirsuntar8717]

Now do it with Trends Gepard on the Guinaifen team. Let's see how she does. Worst MOC for Geppi and best for Jiaoqiu aswell, cosidering Geppi can't break but Gallagher breaks them easily

[@Reggaement]

@@nguyenthanhphong2922I have a Fu Xuan and Pela with some idolons.if I planning to make an Acheron team do i go for the Black Swan rerun or roll for Jaoqiu?I think Black Swan maybe more versatile bacuse she dot capable and have defense shred.I appreciate your opinion.

[@raven-0621]

​@@Reggaement definitely Jiaoqiu

[@HollowTypeIX]

I love Gui but people gotta just accept Jiaoqiu is better at this point

[@wandersonvitor3054]

Not in a DOT Team, E6 Guinaifen is superior. Jiaoqiu is only superior for Acheron, for the other compositions he's more of a sidegrade. And even for Apocalyptic Shadow, Silverwolf is actually better than Jiaoqiu

[@MochaCoffeeBreak]

​@@wandersonvitor3054 🧢

[@SuneGare]

@@wandersonvitor3054 Guin only comparable to Jiaoqiu for dot, not for other compositions. She's good in Dot cuz she can detonate black swans dot while black swan ult is up (as said by hunterkee, the tc who you guys just take the numbers from), but theres no dot to detonate in non-dot comps lmao. Jiaoqiu still better everywhere else and much better for Acheron, and I mean, if youre in Apocalyptic shadow you just run both silver wolf and jiaoqiu.

[@HelloThere-hz6po]

@@SuneGarethat’s where the argument came from tho. Gui vs jq in a dot team. There was never a real argument for them in Acheron teams unless they were misinformed

[@roxas5071]

both lose to pela im afraid

[@augustusnyx9872]

JQ seems to fall under the category of characters that feels underwhelming on paper but is actually far better in practice. At first glance, he really does feel like a 5 star Gui and offers nothing much aside from being a "small upgrade version" of gui but in practice, that's just far from reality. He's better than her in almost all game modes especially in PF. Acheron would practically be Ult Spam Bot 💀

[@chidiekeke5901]

Thats only because people just read kits and dont understand them. Also doomposters try to push that hes been massively nerfed since V1 when hes arguably been buffed besides the ashen roast stack limit (which wouldve made him utterly broken in PF and is still able to be worked around. People who just say hes worse than Pela or Guin are just straight up lying. He clears them for Acheron by quite a bit

[@reijiyamamoto9407]

This is Kazuha all over again, on paper he has the same buffs as sucrose, but Sucrose is clunky to play, harder to swirl the right element and sometimes her ult targeting just sucks. While it's so easy to double swirl with Kazuha and is easier to use and more fun to play.

[@xemnasxiii3992]

Would she ? Be able to get her ult back almost instantly i mean. Like doesn't Acheron's gimmick only take into account only a one time debuff even if multiple targets were touched during the same action ?

[@chidiekeke5901]

@@xemnasxiii3992 jiaoqiu gets a stack on every enemy turn.

[@Waisamakk]

@@xemnasxiii3992did you read his kit?… 🙂

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

i hate when ppl just assume everybody has e6 of all 4 star characters 😭 the amount of "no but its just easier to use e6 guinaifen" like we get 7 free guinaifens when we start the game 💀

[@MsFrandark]

just pull banner wehre they are , they are not hard to get tbh

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

@@MsFrandarkwhen you pull the banner that they are, youre not only relying SOLELY on luck (since you cant guarantee a 4 star) but you can also ruin any pity for upcoming 5 stars ive seen ppl do 200 pulls on a banner and simply not get the 4 star they wanted 🤷‍♀️

[@loider3365]

@@MsFrandark Getting e6 for a 4 star is more difficult than 1 copy of a 5 star

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

@@loider3365 ppl forget that you cant guarantee a 4 star... i get that a 5 star can be very expensive but at least you can guarantee it, ive seen ppl do 200 pulls in a banner and not get one of the featured 4 stars

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

@@MsFrandark yes they fricking are ?!?!?!?

[@Akizuke]

Bros I've been so sick of seeing those Jiaoqiu doomposters everywhere man, this video literally saved my mental health. I'll be pulling E1, good luck JQbros

[@yofukashidayo]

that's why I rarely pay attention to what people say about beta characters. idk what about Jiaoqiu's kit was so mid to them.. dmg vulnerability is extremely powerful

[@jerickopanlen]

Dont listen to people, pull anyone that you love! I wont be pulling him though, good luck on the pulls soon!

[@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n]

Same, buddy. Good luck on our pulls!

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

im going to try for him + his lc, good luck to you too!

[@nou5975]

Pulling him cuz i was swooned by his ult animations 😊

[@Veilerd]

Niche character but when he gets to shine he's brighter than the fucking sun

[@mariachi3217]

I mean it’s the same with Nilou. She’s a staple in bloom teams but is fine(?) outside that

[@auro8236]

@@mariachi3217nilou was made for bloom and nothing else pretty much. She comes nowhere close to the sheer hydro application, pure damage, and utility of yelan, xingqiu, furina, and neuvillette outside of her dendro + hydro team. Mainly due to the small aoe on her skill and mediocre damage on her burst. There’s a reason guides tell you to not level her talents up at all. Her insane damage all comes from golden chalice’s bounty. She has her niche and excels in it, which is totally fine as it prevents powercreep.

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

hes not useless in other teams tho... he may be outshined by some other harmonies but his vulnerability is no joke

[@osmano8498]

@@auro8236 Not sure how it prevents powercreep at all. She won't get powercrept at her role, but she can very well be powercrept in terms of team damage. Not like Nilou is any good to begin with these days, she's been barely viable these recent abyss lineups and not competitive at all. Sure she doesn't "get powercrept" but that comes at the cost of being very hit or miss in the abyss in terms of viability, not sure if that's any better lmao. Saying this as a Nilou haver btw

[@Yinseirei]

He is not bad at all people were overracting

[@ameerr0812]

doomposter overreacting he not that bad

[@zeppzz]

omg thank you for this. All the doomposting really made me question if I wanted to save up for him, but hes exactly what I've been wanting (a debuff spammer) especially considering I passed on silver wolf since release lol

[@cheyanne2001]

Same, I skipped SW both times, I never really wanted her lol. The jq doom posts worried me but in the end he's good at applying consistent debuffs for Acheron's ult

[@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n]

​@@cheyanne2001Same, people always said he's SO BAD since the v5 nerf, but my fox boy actually still so OP

[@cheyanne2001]

@@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n ye he enables faster Acheron Ults which is honestly the MAIN thing she wants since she doesn't use energy to abuse Tingyun.

[@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n]

@@cheyanne2001 ikr, thankfully I got the chance to stumble on this video. my internet friends mocked me since I keep insisted to pull for him since they said he's weak, blablabla. but, I know he's not bad, and this video shows it! especially that I am a casual player, it's really helpful, lol

[@cheyanne2001]

@@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n yeah same, I been strongly thinking of getting him and seeing his nerfs weren't nearly as bad as we'd assume I'm 100% gonna go e0s1 since I'm guaranteed him at least, I lost my 50/50 on RM for e1 lol

[@ninthfriend3347]

It is clear that Jiaoqiu is beyond better than Guinaifen on Acheron team. How do both compare on dot teams though?

[@eldijdjbruh214]

Only better with sig lc, so both still counts as 1 cost

[@HazZzel-]

He clears

[@solar4634]

even though his ult dmg increase during his ult isnt as useful anymore, his ashen roast stacks increase damage taken even more than e6 gui, his dot multipliers arent as high as guinaifen, but he has a higher base atk (by exactly 19.4) and can get 240% bonus attack with his trace with enough effect hit rate (160%)

[@eldijdjbruh214]

@@solar4634 guinafen can detonates her DOT, Ancara’s DOT and also stacking up higher Arcana stacks. The burn’s multiplier increases 40% from E2 and further from e3,e5. Kafka should be able to fix not having uptime firekiss stacks She’s basically kafka 4*

[@eldijdjbruh214]

@@solar4634 @AlwaysThirstys guinafen can detonates her DOT and her burn’s multiplier increases 40% from e2 and also further from e3,e5. Kafka also fixes the not uptime firekiss stacks

[@tooru5244]

Bet people will act diferently if Jiaoqiu was female character

[@bem3760]

Nah not really. I've seen Ruan mei shills says "Robin is sidegrade Ruan mei in FuA" even crazier when they say "she's not worth if you have Ruan mei" like she was BiS in every team.

[@minhouc3582]

Just tried him in story stage with Acheron team, holy fuk it boost acheron to whole new level, acheron ult getting stack insanely fast

[@BailuGaming]

Guin copers still think she has good uptime(takes 2 cycles to stack her debuffs)

[@BailuGaming]

Guin will never be a decent unit, but she's still usable because meta doesn't matter in this game unless you are going for 0c, keep using guin if you don't like Jiaoqiu, juts don't gaslight yourself that Guin is not one of the worst characters in the game and a huge downgrade from JQ.

[@aarushi2740]

@@BailuGamingshe’s not one of the worst characters in the game, by far. she is a pretty major downgrade from jiaqiu though

[@frostyyy6823]

@@BailuGamingwhy do you hate her so much 😂

[@JMike-bq6rl]

If only her Burn DOTS adding Firekiss counts as Acheron Stack.

[@emerald_blaze]

​@@frostyyy6823probably ptsd from using her with Acheron bcs no other option as the second nihility

[@Aiolet]

Unless people can stack a ton of speed and energy regeneration onto Guin, she can't really compete with Jiaoque with his easy one ult hit compared to 2 to 3 turns of fire dot procks for firekiss.

[@pradyumnarout8402]

It's still hard. I've tried with 162 Gunaifen on energy ropes, she still doesn't do as good as JQ. It's so bad that my pela is also 161 with energy ropes and Acheron ALSO is on speed boots instead of attack(just because i can't get ults fast enough)

[@ClowReedx]

This trend argument is so dumb because Sustains like Aventurine e0s1 and Gallagher exist which widens the gap further. Future sustain that has 100% debuff per turn/FUA can easily exist to widen the gap even further

[@HeartLostInCalico]

Thank you for this video op. I am pulling for him just for my Acheron. This gave me hope amidst all of the shtty doomposters who doesn't value the practice of a character.

[@DegenerateDuck]

Can we all just accept 5 stars are generally better than 4 stars? It’s how they make profit, you think they are stupider than us gamers? they make millions while we here sitting staring at Acheron boba while making minimum wage. The only valid questions are do you like this 5 star? Or do you think it’s worth spending 80-180 pulls for them to replace a certain 4*, because they’re simply better lol

[@TheeGull0213]

Is the thumbnail a comment from Gachasmack's recent Jiaoqiu video? Lol that's funny i think i've seen that last night. Thanks for the showcase i'm also curious to the disparity between Guin and Jiaoqiu in a budget friendly team.

[@scopeyui240]

JQ gonna make acheron T0 in pf

[@Hhhh22222-w]

She is t0 everywhere at this point

[@viethoanggamer]

not a chance, she will be GOOD in PF, but no way come close to Herta/Himeko/Jade. She could be at Argenti level, which like I said, considered GOOD. Before Jiaoqiu, Acheron was kinda whatever in PF. And in AS, she's kinda seasonal, the next AS, she will fell off a little bit, no near to the first season, still, considered GOOD.

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@viethoanggamer Acheron shouldn't even be near T1 in PF honestly when characters like Herta, Argenti, Yunli, Jade can 0 cycle whereas Acheron need all 4 cycles even with Jiaoqiu.

[@noreakseymeang5641]

ehh I still wouldn't put her in Tier 0, just bcuz that tier has monsters that can 0 cycle PF, like Herta, Jade, Argenti, etc.

[@Meir1233]

With enemies having higher and higher hp in PF acheron can def reach tier 0.5 but not tier 0

[@illusica]

I appreciate you battling doomposters as was said in the Reddit post that brought me here. I'm curious if you will do the same with Lingsha?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@illusica Well it depends on how good she turns out, I do plan on covering feixiao and lingsha at the end of 2.5 beta

[@alexleonard2348]

@@cornflakebutsilly I hope you cover Moze at some point, I don't see ANYTHING with him at all...

[@chihaotran1568]

​@@cornflakebutsilly Hope she would be good Gosh those Gallagher players trying so hard to doom-post her lol

[@Wagyube-ef]

@@chihaotran1568 They'll find out the hard way once she comes out and notice the difference in sustain capabilities between her and Gallagher against that new boss

[@TheeGull0213]

​@@Wagyube-efcreate a problem then sell the solution. Classic gacha games ploy. But anyway i'll definitely try getting Lingsha because she's hot and good for firefly.

[@asakurashin]

gonna pull for jiaoqiu regardless of what others say :] what would be his f2p lc? or any 4 stars lc that is decent

[@kumburuhuburuheez]

pearls would be great on him ^^

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@asakurashin Eyes of the prey, pearls, tutorial. (Herta store Solitary healing for pure fiction)

[@TheeGull0213]

​@@cornflakebutsillyis the signature LC of jiaoqiu worth getting or is the s5 Eyes of prey enough? Do you know the dmg increase? Thanks🙇‍♂️

[@amthirah2004]

​@@TheeGull0213idk the dmg different but EoTP give 40% ehr meanwhile sig at s1 gives 60% ehr, that alone will lower the ehr fishing since he kinda need them a lot (like 140-170), and not only that his sig gives more debuff vulnerability to the enemies so ur dps can do more dmg, meanwhile EoTP boost his DoT dmg I'd say if u want him as pure debuffer go for sig

[@TheeGull0213]

@@amthirah2004 getting his sig LC would be for the best indeed. It all comes down to luck

[@QuietCrow009]

Saw that under smacks vid and thought bro was wafflin

[@Hhhh22222-w]

If you see anyone with an hsr pfp you know they wafflin

[@HazZzel-]

​@@Hhhh22222-wI ain't waffling 😭

[@renflare2570]

​@@HazZzel-Nah you see the calcs dont lie,and the calcs Says You wafflin/s

[@HazZzel-]

@@renflare2570 The calcs say Jiaoking is better than the wafflers say 🙏

[@electrickzy]

I hope people see this and realize that Jiaoqiu and Gui aren't on the same level at all. Gui is worse than him 100% Btw i love Gui , i use her for Acheron all the time but i can fully acknowledge that Jiaoqiu is just a better unit

[@KayokoEnjoyer03]

I think Gallagher won for being best CC tanker. Devs thinks its was such as great idea to give gallagher 70+ effect res by simply unlock E1.

[@SmashTheAdam]

I got him to 102% effect resistance (in battle of course, 52% outside of battle) without even trying to build effect resistance on him, but holy shit it's so comfortable knowing that your sustain is basically immune to crowd control effects

[@anatoliadida460]

People were just overreacting he's not that bad in action i'm that when he rerun most of those people that said that he's bad are going to pull for him like he's so good 😢

[@dantez3600]

This is exactly why I mentioned in a reddit post that people where acting the same way they did with Black Swan. Saying BS was just slightly better Sampo. And I got downvoted to death. Now people are saying Fox dude is slightly better Gui. Smh.

[@tevallockheart]

What weird about jiao qiu in the story is he always proclaimed as a military healer, but he doesnt heal.

[@SmashTheAdam]

He used to heal from what I hear, but his healing was removed

[@joaovictordioud7242]

Finally someone compares these two. Why the fuck were people saying he would kill Pela when he is literally 5* Gui

[@luis7576]

Thank you so much for uploading these videos. I was planning to go for Acheron's E2 but apparently his E2 is useless if you have Jiaoqiu, so I'll drop my Acheron to E1 and get Jiaoqiu.

[@TheeGull0213]

If you have Sparkle it is still worth it to get E2 Acheron with Jiaoqiu to make it busted.

[@luis7576]

@@TheeGull0213 Well, I only have jades to spend on Jiaoqiu or Acheron's E2. I want to save up what I have left to get Firefly (and possibly get her E2) and Ruan Mei.

[@TheeGull0213]

@@luis7576 you can literally watch the first video of this channel which is "Jiaoqiu vs E2 Acheron".

[@angelixaroxe2986]

unless you wanna e6 acheron, dont go for e2 as he did a comparison and e2 sparkle and e2 acheron same speed as e0 jq e0 acheron. Use Sparkle for other comps

[@luis7576]

@@angelixaroxe2986 But Jiaoqiu has his S1, I would have to get him and his cone. But instead if I go for the E2 I would only need a copy of Acheron

[@feitan4270]

I can't wait to try him in pf with solitary healing, 4pc wind set, and 2pc vonwacq. The action advance + multiple turns gives acheron a bunch of stacks, and clearing each wave of 5 enemies with solitary healing gives 30 energy PER WAVE. With his 110 energy cost ult, the limitation on ashen roast stacks is basically negated by how fast you'd get his ult with this set up.

[@gregorywood7554]

What about E0S0 vs. E6S1, just to see whether Jiaoqiu or his LC is more valuable?

[@yedagoatnocap666]

my acheron feels kinda weak without him, but it is worth it to pull him for just one character? i already have robin and ruanmei for my follow up and dot teams

[@fox-crusaders4791]

Now that we know how jiaoqiu fares in comparison to guinifen, I wanna see a team comparison of e0s1 Acheron with jiaoqiu and one where the sustain has trend lc.

[@mattyplus101]

Some people actually believe that they would make a limited 5* worse than a 4*

[@mattheusspoo]

on the guinaifen run you really missplayed at 6:31. You already had 2 saved ult stacks on acheron, used pela's ult, then used guinaifen's ult when the enemies had no burn on them, and then used gallaher's ult + enhanced BA. Wasted 3 stacks on acheron ult for no reason, you could have done pela ult into acheron's ult, then gallagher's ult into enhanced BA, and then when on guinaifen's turn, used her skill into ult for 2 more stacks there.

[@luis7576]

Is the Trend Light Cone useless if you have Jiaoqiu? I ask this for my Fu Xuan

[@jin8982]

Yes, it's useless. Give her a better LC.

[@onlyuwaku]

Fu Xuan does not provide Shield.

[@LazyCatOnTheRoof]

For the Gui run, why didn't you 0 cycle the first wave if you had Pela's ult available? Is saving that Pela ult really that important that you allow a whole cycle to be lost?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

He did the 10 runs for both, this is the only one where gui cleared 3 cycles, the rest is more than 3

[@SB-hg3rr]

im late but damn the difference is huge, i plan on getting acheron on this upcoming rerun and i dont have jiaoqiu sadly so i gotta use guinaifen as a replacement till he reruns sadge

[@Carlos-vs7rw]

I'm so ready for him 😍 already prefarmed and guaranteed at 31 pity 😍

[@isekaidoctor]

even with the nerf jiaoqiu is still rlly good for acheron

[@RoKu.1147]

He's super good... for Acheron team of course

[@Hhhh22222-w]

He's as good for dot teams as RM, I love lil Gui but we need to stop coping, with JQ Acheron now is t0 in all 3 endgame game modes

[@airfryered]

He's good for Dr Ratio too, great QOL upgrades compared to Pela and Silver Flop, whose debuffs constantly need to be reapplied for new enemies, can expire if the enemy is fast, and does not last between waves lol

[@airfryered]

They will release more characters like Dr Ratio and Acheron, that's when he becomes like Topaz who wasn't really good at launch but becomes more valuable as future units come

[@ehcelfneir7513]

​@@Hhhh22222-w really bro? Cause ruan mei is on FF team so i need a replacement

[@Hhhh22222-w]

He will cover the dmg loss from RM with his own application and dmg, but he wont replace her utility i.e if you just need raw dmg and to trigger BS and Kaf, to clear a stage then they are equal but if you need to break more often then he wont be as good on the other hand against fire weak opponents he is better ​@@ehcelfneir7513

[@31.فوزانعظيما]

can you try e6 gui use jq sign vs jq without sign on dot team ?

[@Lucif3r616]

I don't really like to pull eidolons for acheron do yall think jiaoqiu is worth it?

[@yanuwwuu]

yes

[@TheeGull0213]

Much worth it to invest on Jiaoqiu even at E0S0 he's a big upgrade if you don't have silverwolf or blackswan for Acheron.

[@lucyana7326]

a 180 pulls vs a 360 pulls (assuming e2 acheron), he is a big upgrade for her. not to mention if you go for e2 acheron she still wants sparkle as her harmony so going for jiaoqiu is more friendly

[@Khn_2102]

​@@lucyana7326What if I have Sparkle?

[@Dead-Lit]

@@lucyana7326 I'm thinking about building a team with E0 SW/Pela, E0 Sparkle, and E1 Fu Xuan for Acheron (I don't have her), so I could worry about betting on winning Acheron's E2. What do you think?

[@violet_lilac]

Why weren't you ulting with Gallagher? He could've gotten his ult so many times ._.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Its a jq vs gui testing, why gallagher

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

@@Hhhh22222-w because the power of a team depends on a sustain this case

[@suisuid4531]

Does he need lc for quick stack for acheron? or it's not help at building stack.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Sweaty pearls is best f2p lc, but no not really, his own kit does enough

[@suisuid4531]

@@Hhhh22222-w thank you sir

[@D.Cypher474]

if you watch till the end of this vid you notice that he has eyes on the prey LC equipped and the debuffs are still uptime. Based on this, you can assume that he needs a ton of EHR for his debuffs to hit

[@nachalnik5738]

I heard that vulnerability stacks similarly to def shred. With that in mind, how good is JQ+Guin team in comparison to JQ+Pela/SW?

[@livinglifemediocre]

everyone saying he was going to be terrible made me a little nervous, but i'm glad he's much better than people are saying. imagine if he wasn't nuked from his beta ver lol. still don't think i'll get him, if only bc i don't have acheron and I think my acc could benefit more from a sparkle, plus feixiao is right above the corner. some day though.

[@vanadis12]

should i get him or aven for my archeron team, rn i have trend fu xuan as sustain for archeron but thinking on getting aventurine cus i like his character alot on penacony and wanted to invest a bit in fua

[@chllwthlln2295]

His power comes from EFFICIENCY

[@RAJA_XYLO]

People have to be out of their goddamn mind if they think Guin and JQ are of same level. RIP to those copers 💀 Just because he looks like an NPC doesn't make his kit npc. He is Acherons bis support. Period ✅

[@TheSecureM]

So is it worth getting Jiaoqiu?

[@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n]

Yes.

[@akaneaoi8115]

Nope for Acheron E2S1. Yes for Acheron E0S0.

[@SpicyJiaoJiao-e6n]

@@akaneaoi8115 really, why?

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

@@akaneaoi8115 yes for e2 acheron too

[@liwzzie8098]

What do you think about pulling him for Argenti

[@HazZzel-]

I plan on running him with my Argenti. There are better harmonies to run, but Argenti would defo benefit from the ult bonus Plus Jiaoqiu is great for pure fiction, so they would likely have some synergy there

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Argenti mains 😢, i feel so bad for them, hoyo did erudition dirty

[@ajaccio6268]

Btw, could you please make a comparison between JQ vs SW in a E0S1 Acheron team in Apocalyptic Shadow?

[@necronomecon331]

hello my friend .....can you please show acheron e0s1 jiaoqui e0s1 pela e6s0 with aventurine e0s1 in pure fiction ? i want to see his sig lightcone with the team in pure fiction compared to solitary healing

[@raikoumangaming1286]

Hello! Can you Do E0S1 Acheron with E2S1 Sparkle + E1S1 JQ on the same team?

[@ad.8685]

I'm confused whether should i aim for acheron e2 or jiaoqiu

[@guillermodiaz7699]

Would it be possible to make the comparisom in a kafka-bs team? Pretty pls!!!

[@blastor5142]

question who should i go for? Jiaoqiu seems pretty stacked for PF (im suffering there) and MoC but i also want Sparkle due to her drugged buffs

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@blastor5142 if you want an Acheron upgrade then jiaoqiu if you have DHIL and want an upgrade then sparkle

[@blastor5142]

​@@cornflakebutsilly how about ratio is he better off with sparkle or jiaoqiu (my dummy dum dum hasnt built pela properly yet but my sw is built)

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@blastor5142 i wouldn't recommend sparkle for ratio, robin is the way. jiaoqiu isn't a big upgrade for ratio over pela or silverwolf unless you go for eidolons

[@blastor5142]

@@cornflakebutsilly alright thx for helping me who to get in the second phase :))

[@rinoakirova1548]

I don't think that Guinaifen will ever match the performance of Jiaoqiu, he is literally made for Acheron after all, but a better comparison would be to use a Preservation sustain with Trend of the Universal Market. Since Acheron can only gain one stack per turn, Trend LC is redundant for Jiaoqiu but not for Guinaifen, and then her team would also stack during enemy turns albeit less consistently.

[@DmitryShuldeshov_SchemaTherapy]

Please, explain me. In the DOT-teams (BS, Kafka). Jaoqiu E0 is just a mid replacement for Ruan Mei. Jaoqiu E2 is a really good replacement for Ruan Mei. Since his E1 increases team damage and his E2 makes him a really good DPS in the team. So, he becomes a 2 role charracter in the DOT-team: supp + DPS. Am I right?

[@chifffy]

Fairness wise, ach ulted the side enemy all 3 times in first boss phase in Guina but with jq she hit middle enemy. If she had hit once in the middle then the turbulence wouldn't have been wasted.

[@woodiedoll]

I have a question, if the enemy is inflicted with Ashen Roast when they take action, and it counts as a Slashed Dream for Acheron, if the enemy attacks an ally (for example Gepard or Fu Xuan) that is using Trend Of The Universal Market, will it count as two Slashed Dream for Acheron or only one debuff at a time can be applied when the enemies get a stack of Ashen Roast?

[@txfffy997]

probaby yes i think?

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

no it will not stack with trend , dont use it if you have jiao for acheron

[@krisnarobo]

planning to put my gallagher on march superbreak team (since i dont have firefly lol). Is aventurine a good replacement on this ache jq team (not with trend lightcone ofc since jq do all the debuff alrdy) or there's better sustain? (i have gepard & bailu). Also wondering if i should go pull JQ + LC or JQ + Lingsha (to replace gallagher and maybe put him back to Acheron)?

[@krisnarobo]

for LC, i have Eyes of the Prey S4 also

[@krisnarobo]

@@AlwaysThirstys i have the trend lightcone, but does it matter when we have JQ doing all the debuff already? or it can the debuff be stacked with trend also?

[@woahwoah6105]

I knew when i heard about "nihility healer" back when the leaks first came out i already fucking knew he was an exclusive acheron support.

[@prodigii2]

Guys honest opinion? If I focus on pulling for E6 Acheron (Currently E2), would having jiaoqiu even matter? Like compared to my e6 pela

[@YouryCh.]

I would say yes because of his utl increase dmg when make Acheron get more flowers in PF

[@Hhhh22222-w]

No lol e6 acheron, as someone with e3 acheron and e6 dhil, getting a e6 for a dps isnt worth it get an e6 for supports like RM or Robin, much better as they turn all your other e0 characters to basically e6

[@CipherDrago]

If you already have E2 pull sparkle or a solid harmony for her and take them to E2. I guarantee a better sustain will come for Acheron eventually as well. E6 Acheron is great but not all that significant in comparison vs E2 or even E4

[@Idyvist]

e6 acheron would 0 cycle on autoplay with no effort so not really

[@alonelycacti]

it doesn't matter at that point.. e6 characters will clear all content with ease

[@pamojsenaweera2956]

Can you do a run with E0S1 Acheron + Pela + Jiaoqiu E0S5 (solitary healing) + FuXuan E0S5 (Trend of the Universal Market)

[@vincikeeper1581]

Would be cool if he could heal a bit, lorewise he's a healer. He would be like Huo huo, nihility character with abundance abilities.

[@Israel-cc4zf]

Which lightcone are u using on jiaoqu

[@DesirableFame]

Im debating whether I should pull for jq or sparkly because I need sparkle for dan Il but I also need jq for acheron

[@MasterRedPanda]

what about e2 acheron? who should i replace with?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

If you can just run both pela and jq, if not jq and sparkle or some other harmony or whatever

[@MinKiu410]

People who think that Gui is better than Jiaoqiu probably either havent seen enough showcase of him, dont read or straight up coping

[@taru5156]

trust me, there's a lot of them who blindly couldn't accept this fact. let those sore losers believe what they believe, we can't change them even after with all these showcases.

[@kaseyatakahashi9753]

can you compare pela and Jq for e2 acheron in a team with sparkle and sustain.

[@ryogaz1210]

Should I give Jiaoqiu Before the Tutorial Mission Starts for more energy to ensure faster ult or 24.4% ERR is good enough for him to cast his ult before the 6 ashen roast limit are used up?

[@taru5156]

tutorial lc is definitely better especially if run him with pela

[@sanguin3]

Is Jiaoqiu better than Pela on a Ratio hypercarry team (with Robin and Aventurine)?

[@oyfum2638]

Similar amp but jq has 100% uptime on debuffs, even on phase change bosses

[@yourcutemc]

Jiaoqiu is good, but for me, he's not good enough for me to pick him over like my future pulls like Aventurine. Like Jiaoqiu, Lingsha is not that important to pull when you already have a built Gallagher. It's just anyone's preference in the end. I already have SilverWolf and Sparkle to top Acheron so yeah.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

He is as good as e2 sparkle for acheron

[@yeepicowo3461]

How would this go if you used a trend user like gepard or aventurine

[@serikazero128]

basically the Gui team would have a 1 or 2 more ultimates and the JQ will have around the same. As his debuff when enemy takes a move is counted at the same time as the enemy getting burned from trend LC. So, it will make the gap between Gui and him smaller. Now would it be an entire cycle or two smaller? idk Probably it will make 4 cycle clears a lot more consistent for the Gui teams while for JQ it wouldn't matter

[@Halverg86]

He might not have the best design but I'm deffinitely pulling thanks to this video. Any stats recommendations? Like spd, atk, and ehr to maximize his potential? I'm thinking of 2 spd 2 atk, idk about planar. Keel? Vonwaq? Pan-cosmic? Also which one is better, sampo lc or tutorial lc?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

In Acheron teams he needs atleast around 140% EHR, spd you can try 134/142/160. If you can hit the EHR requirements without pan cosmic you can go vonwacq Tutorial LC if pela is on the team, if not then sampo lc

[@Halverg86]

@@cornflakebutsilly thank you brother. Is vonwaq worth it even with 160+ spd? Im thinking pan-cosmic bcs of high ehr to atk conversion so he can deal some dmg with his dot (if it even worth it lol).

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@Halverg86 Vonwacq is not needed at 160+ yeah

[@Benana_001]

Why Gallagher on the non-Jiaoqiu team instead of a Trend LC user?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

Then the guinaifen side would've cleared in 7 cycles without being able to break the firefly marketing team

[@ClowReedx]

You realize Gallagher and Jiaoqiu stacks and Trend can't stack with Gallagher, Aventurine E0S1, Jiaoqiu or future debuffers, and debuff sustainers? The gap is just gonna widen even more and trend is way worse now

[@mr.y4064]

​@@ClowReedx Huh wdym, he said Gallagher on team without Jiaoqiu. Trends is only unable to generate stacks with Jiaoqiu's ultimate, but it can work with Gallagher, Aventurine's LC, and any debuffers that are not Jiaoqiu. Debuffs on ally action are not the same as debuffs on enemy action

[@ClowReedx]

@@mr.y4064 Why would u want a trend user and Gallagher bro dafuk

[@mr.y4064]

@@ClowReedx low level player exists and I'm just arguing your points lol. Also if enemies have extra turn, trends can still generate the stacks even with Jiaoqiu's ult active. So trends is usable and act as fail safe if Jiaoqiu's debuff is resisted due to his low base chance

[@eh1165]

Is he worth it at e0s0 for e0s1 Acheron if i already have SW and Black Swan?

[@HazZzel-]

If you like him then sure. You can also run him and Black Swan together in dot

[@CipherDrago]

Tbh No. Blackswan and SW def shred is very valuable. You already have solid Acheron team. If you have pela you can always swap her in for Blackswan and move Blackswan to a Kafka DoT or Solo DoT if needed.

[@eh1165]

​@fr1mmelthat makes him sound really tempting, I hope I win the 50/50 🗿

[@offensiveorchid9382]

Is he worth pulling for for my Acheron (e0) team if I am already running her with Pela (e6) and Black Swan (e0)? I currently don't have Kafka on my account sadly :(

[@sasorioftheredsand4348]

I would say it is

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

yess

[@kenobieost5476]

I've been convinced, JQ is actually pretty good despite the nerfs. I'm still gonna skip him for Feixiao tho

[@thepotato1226]

Why aren't we using aventurine with trend LC? shouldnt he be better for stack generation over gallagher?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

To showcase the gui vs jq

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

He did that to show that Jiaq is twice better than Her which is a lie

[@Jackington208]

This is another Black Swan Sampo

[@hafiyfiyirfan6976]

I dont have gallagher. Should i pull him for my firefly sustain?

[@patrinicorevelations9738]

If you dont have Gallagher, who is currently Firefly's best sustainer, I might wait for Lingsha, who was drip marketed recently, which seems to be better than Gallagher as shes also break focused fire abundance. So I would wait to see if you like her and pull if you do.

[@sonlo6188]

Wait, what kind of debuff gui have ?

[@muien3931]

increase dmg taken

[@genevie1998]

He isn't bad but he didn't really fit what i wanted when his kit first leaked, just wanted a semi healing nihility unit so i could force a harmony into the team but i guess that would make Acheron's e2 not worth pulling so thats fair i guess

[@luisreyes-xo1ot]

Nice video, new sup🎉🎉🎉

[@felipesouza1792]

querem stacks da acheron mais rapido, querem aumento de dano em ult, querem que tenha versatilidade, ''nerfaram de 9 pra 6 os stacks entao é skipe'' kkkk cisne no jogo so servindo pra kafka, ''perfeita sem defeitos amo demais'' kkkkkk

[@ellechi7337]

Can u do E2 Jiaoqiu hypercarry

[@sanyashaihov2721]

Let's be real here,Hoyo "butchered" Jiaoqiu so he wont powercreep like next 2 full versions of nihility characters at his E2 ,cause his base version was absolutely busted

[@Amuqx33]

Jiaoqiu my king 🙏

[@EYji_]

Which one is easier to get C6 4* C0 5 star

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

E0 5 star imo and by a big margin too

[@liwzzie8098]

Hey what do you think about pulling him for Argenti?

[@onlyuwaku]

What happens if I pull him on my Acheron team that lacks preservation characters in my account

[@txfffy997]

use gallagher as sustain

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

if you have jiao you dont need preservation to run trend of universal market , so you can run gallagher

[@tactaillike]

would be funny to see a run using jaoqiu + fire mc with trend

[@Waisamakk]

Oh it doesnt work. You can only get one Acheron stack per enemy turn and Jiaoqiu already proc it so trend has no value other than a bit of dmg.

[@tactaillike]

found out about that then was like o7 fire mc

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Me between Kafka or Jiaoqiu for picking.... for both Black Swan and Acheron's best Partner.

[@alonelycacti]

I just wanted to ask something from yall.. i already have well built sw and pela both 163 and 174 speed respectively for my acheron.. but i dont have a single harmony.. so should i go for sparkle or jiaoqiu?.. btw my acheron's crit ratios are 46.9/222 and her teams is sw/pela/fu xuan/acheron..

[@nazenara1]

You might need a harmony character at least 1 but it doesn't has to be sparkle because sparkle is made for hypercarry team unless your acheron is E2, Robin is a better option since it's more Flexible. But, if you can already clear all End game content without any harmony limit char then you might wanna go for Jia.

[@alonelycacti]

I can easily clear one side of moc and as with my acheron team and have herta/Clara for pf.. but my second team struggles a lot in moc and as.. I got e0s0 dhil and e1s0 clara

[@alonelycacti]

@@nazenara1 so what would you suggest?.. i should wait for Robin?.. cause I was also planning on getting firefly on her rerun.. i was thinking of getting atleast 2 of the 3 harmonies.. ruan mei just doesn't want to come home(lost her 50-50 in 1.6 and 2.3) :/, had lost sparkles 50/50 aswell lmao

[@nazenara1]

@@alonelycacti if you have dhil then go for sparkle

[@alonelycacti]

@@nazenara1 alr.. thanks a lot!.. have a good day