Simcity 2013 - Is it still bad?

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Fellas I understand how tempting it is to just comment *"But muh Cities Skylines exists"* .... But I do cover all this in the video, and I fully respect that it does exist, and is a superior city builder.... But that isn't the point of the video, please watch the video before hand, it might help with making a comment. Cheers.

[@KurotechInc]

i find that while skylines did a lot of what sim city did better it misses the mark on a lot all in all ill always love muh maxis games but im a 90s kid so yea nostalgia goggles

[@ScrapTechTips]

Probably better than the mobile version

[@Red_Line7]

Cheers man

[@videogamebomer]

But muh Cities Skylines exist

[@NagronCZ]

Budget-Builds Official Is it still bad????? Simcity is best game

[@Geoff69420]

The traffic on the dirt road I have to take to go to work is absolutely horrendous. I'd take the motorway instead, but that would mean I'd have to drive an extra 2 meters every day.

[@DoomieGruntVentures]

You sound like my dad on road trips

[@normiukkeli3739]

xof49 thats how mafia works

[@Original-pi7em]

@@normiukkeli3739 dang I forgot about that meme

[@bobvance-]

That's like 14 miles for a lifetime.. That's almost half a tank of gas!

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Cities Skylines’s traffic simulation is very flawed too but at least it’s better than that! In CS though you usually get a massive queue of traffic using a super congested motorway when there’s a totally non congested more direct route that they won’t use because the motorway is 60mph rather than 40mph even though due to traffic they’ll never get to that speed…

[@computercatgaming02]

It's sad how this game could've been so much better, EA...

[@Vlad-1986]

It can be better said: "It's sad how this game could've been so much better WITHOUT EA."

[@computercatgaming02]

^^

[@cxmusicofficial]

Not everything was decided by EA. Maxis fucked up too, sadly.

[@ChemicalFilms]

The issue is that the developers of Maxis mostly left when EA bought the company.

[@HNRichard]

Yeah, it's sad that this killed SimCity all together. At least The Sims 4 still exists as EA's cash cow

[@freeman2399]

One word: Map size. WTF were they smoking?

[@Kessra]

The map size is irrelevant if core mechanics do not work at all. If you want to play on larger maps go and install a mod and live with the consequences. They knew why they restricted the area size ...

[@freeman2399]

Exactly my point. They designed a shitty engine that can't do what people want, IE have big cities.

[@drac124]

Exactly. The glass engine was a lie. Simulate every citizen, bla bla bla. Huge lie. They get a new job everyday. Its ridiculous.

[@frozenflamingo6243]

Thats two words.

[@TheSystemaSystem]

Five words: Learn how to count.

[@UKVampy]

I was disappointed with the map sizes, but its still a good looking game. They need to rethink their premise of the game like you said CITIES, not towns and come up with some way to get much bigger maps like the original Sim City. I personally didn't realise there was that much DLC, but really I should have EA always does.

[@aturchomicz821]

GET MODS IDIOT

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

I touch on this in the video atur.... The mods are glitchy due to how the game works.

[@aturchomicz821]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial the mods aren't glitchy,show evidence of them being glitchy

[@jschackmann2]

atur chomicz not official mods like cityskylines does

[@sharp14x]

The mods are glitchy, and I don't understand why atur is screaming for proof of that.

[@wilsonjj]

I am sad how this has turned out.. I still strongly prefers SimCitys Art and Music style plus city management. Just..if the map could have been bigger and a more complex traffic system...

[@majamystic256]

Simcity 4 = still alive Simcity 2013 = dead

[@djbeezy]

I played SimCity 4 today. Never touched this garbage.

[@conlage]

Simcity 2013 Is not dead.

[@djbeezy]

@@conlage It was pretty much dead as soon as it hit the ground. You might love it but a vast VAST majority of Simcity players refused to even play this game because they removed the elements that made this game great for us.

[@conlage]

It's true, but i really like it.

[@KevinMcScrooge]

@@conlage I assume b/c you can customize buildings modularly? Only reason I like it.

[@robertdisbrow]

Simcity really was beautiful. I loved the clockwork theme. Of course Skylines is vastly superior in gameplay but it feels kind of soulless without a lot of addons.

[@DokisKalin1]

City Skylines is depression central. I still get a kick out of the funny business names in Sim City

[@Roseirful]

Skylines is nowhere near any Simcity in terms of management depth. It is not bad, but it is a different genre

[@Duke49th]

C:S doesnt worth playing without at least 30-40 mods at the very least haha.

[@nathanapplegate5374]

There’s some truly amazing business names in this game. I saw a particularly great one the other night that I have never seen before.

[@romanjohnson9077]

Skylines is very souless

[@velma.]

But muh Cities Skylines exi...oh...sorry...

[@kupieckorzenny5093]

DLC

[@SilentdragonDe]

Just like with any Paradox game, you should wait for a Steam sale before picking up the DLCs. You also don't need all of them, the game is complete without them.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

cities skylines will be 120 for fullgame? LOL.. pass.. I'm gonna keep playing open-source transport tycoon deluxe wich is developed by community and can be played in multiplayer ; - )

[@bluedragon9925]

Microphunktv The "full game" (as in the core game and Natural Disasters, the *only* DLC pack that actually makes the game feel more "complete", whereas the others are literally nothing more than *completely optional* expansions that add extra buildings and one or two minor features on top of the *free* updates that launched alongside them) is actually only around $45 USD... Plus, the prices for the game itself and all of the DLC's become significantly cheaper during seasonal Steam sales.

[@SupremeMathemAddicts]

Pirating is bad I know... but I got all the DLCs for free using CreamAPI, and I paid 5 bucks for the base game on steam.

[@unreal003]

"Sim City 2013 is still one of the best multiplayer city builders"... I mean I guess that's true but I legitamitely can't think of another one

[@brunor.1127]

Simcity 2000 network edition Look it up it is weird

[@chiarmahdra8100]

There was also Cities XL (?) a few years earlier (around 2010?). Might be the rebranded name they sold it under the second time. That was a real online city builder where import and export happening on the global market (exclusively player driven economy) and where cities competed for "wonder" blueprints. Never played it though because it was reported to be quite buggy and lacking lots of features (public transportation, etc) As for all the Skylines hype I must say that I found it less of a game/sim and more a sandbox. It is almost impossible to not have you city make some money which means that there is no challenge other than making you city look pretty or not getting bored while running for half and hour on max speed to get the money to expand. Oh and I hate that new design philosophy that stuff gets unlocked based on "milestones". Liked the old school titles much more where things are balanced economically instead of gated arbitrarily.

[@zombieguyproducion]

@@chiarmahdra8100 Cities XL is pretty MEH.

[@dzarvdrax2171]

Building a city in MINECRAFT with your friends, cough cough

[@swagwanpiffting8796]

@@dzarvdrax2171 that takes way too much time

[@alexzzzzzzzzzzz]

I think the review is "succeeding in a few areas and falling down where was most important". The king is dead and Skylines buried the corpse.

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

That was actually the original title of the video.

[@oz_jones]

The king is dead, long live the king.

[@rynomuncher]

My favourite feature that cities will never have is the beautiful sound and music design. There’s something about the “plopping” sounds that are so satisfying!

[@XER0GRAVITY]

I feel that the soundtrack for SimCity 2013 kills the Cities Skylines soundtrack, even with the added radio stations DLC's.

[@Pintroll300]

But we can port the simcity soundtracks over to C:S

[@manictiger]

These days, I usually just mute the music in games and play vids on a second monitor. I can also just launch foobar2000 with one of my mega playlists.

[@helldronez]

I put my 70s-90s song in custom CS radio, best thing ever

[@kar351]

@ Nullik It is not the only thing. simcity had much more micro management and in that area, city skylines lack...a lot. Look what the industrial chains could do. Tourism was a amazing thing in simcity, while in city skylines is pretty lacking. What city skylines really does good is services and utilities better then simcity, water, electricity, roads, specially roads management and options, transportation, city skylines does it much better. I really enjoyed the management of things in the industrial and tourism side of simcity, it was much more fun developing your own "Las Vegas". Without mods you cannot do that in city skylines, and even if you do, all it is, is more assets to the game, not actually function.

[@ajdinspahic9828]

@@kar351 Do you even have the rush hour mod or tm:pe?

[@praveenneevarp4822]

Am I the only one who is still expecting a simcity 6?

[@clement304]

Praveen neevarP No.

[@Meirstein]

Just give SimCity 4 a massive upgrade and I'll shell out the dough.

[@nahimiYT]

nope

[@paramike97]

i'm sure they'll make one but my expectations for it are so low that i probably won't even bother with it

[@side-fish]

The next time a SimCity releases, it will be on the Frostbite engine just all like all the other games EA has put in that engine. It's also gonna have a lootbox system, but don't worry, it's only cosmetic cause they've developed a moral compass XD. Either that or it's gonna be another mobile game.

[@ReviveHF]

I would like to elaborate more about Cities:Skylines and SimCity 2013. I have spend lots of hours to play Cities Skylines with multiple expansion packs especially the Green Cities. I always wanted to build an 100% ecofriendly metropolis, so the early game was a hectic mess, however once I lowered my budget spending on every areas except education and carefully raising taxes, everything was easy on mid game onwards, then everything is a push over during late game. I have finally built the exact ecofriendly high tech metropolis I always dream of. As for Sim City 2013, I had successfully built similar ecofriendly high tech metropolis as well, however the game was hard from the beginning until the late game even on sandbox mode! You have limited space to build stuff, and you have to develop other region so you can actually solve the problems, on the other hand I have to play around with the future technologies and building great works so the problems can be solved. I had to solved public order problems and budgetry problems, to increase happiness, I had to build lots of futuristic buildings in the long run. In the late game, I had water issue, so I have to build Academy to produce the wireless network in order to let the water filtration systems to work normally, then you have to build maglev trains to reduce the traffic issues that thing also requires wireless network as well. To get more people to work, I was forced to spend lots of $$$$$$$$ to build megatowers because there's little room to expand, by then everything was alright. One thing about Sim City 2013, is every human being and objects has it's own sound effects. Sim City 2013 is a real challenge, for that reason, I had lots of fun playing Sim City 2013 than Cities Skylines. In the nutshell, Cities Skyline is good for unleashing creativity and fulfilling desires to construct the dream city as I wanted to do so. Sim Cities 2013 is good for challenging your management abilities and experiencing the lively atmosphere.

[@edibleandsentientautomobil5396]

I prefer creativity, but I respect your opinion.

[@ReviveHF]

@@edibleandsentientautomobil5396 Sure thanks. I actually like both games. Cities: Skylines for creativity and Sim Cities 2013 for superb sound designs plus gameplay.

[@edibleandsentientautomobil5396]

@@ReviveHF definitely agree

[@brad4058]

Oddly enough, I kinda feel the same way. Simcity offers more of a challenge due to the limited space.

[@arielruy5457]

it's sad to admit but ea just killed simcity 😿

[@suryaiyer13]

Ariel Ruy not just simcity, many of my favourite IPs were destroyed by ea. I hate that company so much that I have blacklisted it. I don't even pirate any of their games anymore

[@RetroReviewYT]

suryaiyer13 it’s impossible to do for old Mac versions of their games, which only work on PowerPC.

[@suryaiyer13]

@A true petrol-head well, just ignore them. They were scumbags back in 2000's and they are the same still now.

[@Kakkarot22]

@@suryaiyer13 i will never forgive them for command and conquer

[@thealien2411]

Battleforge... ;-;

[@christopherrobin7984]

8:17 motorcyclist had a change of mind twice in a row

[@eichardo]

Christopher Robin lol

[@EiriUesugiKun]

Was just about to say the same. :D

[@zzyzxyz5419]

HAHA

[@oHYJINXo]

Not a change of mind he was tired of that other motorcycle following him so he decided to follow it... The AI is real with this one

[@Revzk]

Christopher Robin thats not only the motorcyclist, 6:00 the van driver too

[@lumikera]

One word, the one thing that ruined the game. Size. The maps are small, the engine is rather lackluster, and theres not as many options as the other games.

[@susa.k.a.pinkguy2036]

if the maps were 4 times bigger i size this game would bee 1000% better

[@spongeyperson]

You want a proper modern City Building game?, Cities Skylines it is for ya. You want the best Simcity can offer?, then play Simcity 4

[@friendlyfire2615]

spongeyperson just questioning how cities: skylines got mods on console.

[@spongeyperson]

@@friendlyfire2615 and i'm questioning why you're not on my plate yet. You are pizza after all. I guess the world works in mysterious ways...

[@friendlyfire2615]

spongeyperson pls don’t eat me

[@spacy9571]

@Leslie Starck no it doesn't beat skylines

[@ulysseslee9541]

no more Sim city after Sim City 4

[@byghostlight0]

it all looks so archaic now compared to Cities Skylines, which continues to knock Simcity out of the park. Because of one simple core idea: they put players and game play first.

[@AwinkOfsleep]

Idk. I felt like i cared about my people more in simcity. simcity5 is a great game, just not a good simcity. feel me?

[@drac124]

Simple core idea: mods. Cities Skylines without mods is horrible. Graphics are ugly, day and night cycle is annoying, elementary school capacity is ridiculous and sound is way too repetitive. All of this fixed with mods.

[@drac124]

Strictoaster problem is too many props, something that can't even be done in SimCity. But I won't defend Cities Skylines. Like others said here: citizens are zombies. SimCity 3000 and 4 made you really care about citizens and their needs. Specially 3000 with citizens coming and asking for things. SimCity do that a bit as well. Anyway, I never reached a huge population on Cities Skylines because its bland and boring if you want a management game rather than paint brush your city.

[@Strixu]

that's just your computer being below average... currently got a 100k city and i run 60+ fps

[@RuLeZ1988]

Yeah... unfortunately Sim City 2013 was meant to be another money grabbing project by EA, yet fortunately they failed with it miserable.

[@JimmiG84]

A shame they abandoned it before all the game breaking bugs were fixed, like the student public transport bug.

[@ReviveHF]

Sim City 2013: Pros=More Challenging to play with, very good soundtrack, vasty lively atmosphere, very realistic and creative expansion pack, superior sound effects Cons=Too little space to build, limited customisation, only one expansion set, very bad AI pathfinding(traffic jam is a problem) Cities Skylines: Pros=Very customisable(allows you to build your dream city), better graphics, gigantic space to build, better AI pathfinding, lots of modding content, more expansion packs Cons=Slightly worst expansion packs, very dull atmosphere, very boring music, sometimes to easy to play(unless you're going for entirely green city)

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

Cities:Skylines has hard mode button, it's just disabled by default :)

[@xtomvideo]

The dull atmosphere and music kills skylines for me. When I start a game of simcity it grabs me for hours, with Skylines I'm trying to convince myself to continue playing hoping it will eventually become fun.

[@phineas7423]

When you still have 200kbps download speed in 2018

[@MadasIII]

Try 100kbps

[@cxnall1303]

That was me in January

[@LdyVder]

D/L speed really doesn't depend on what your ISP gives you when it comes to d/l'ing software. The place you're downloading the software from caps how much bandwidth you get to use. Bigger the file the slower the speed tends to be.

[@HyperionZero]

try 500 bytes/s

[@privateger]

@@LdyVder File Size doesnt change DL speed . Thats probabaly just your ISP.

[@kablstr1451]

Still have the game. It’s still bad

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Delyc Heruta: Probably best to watch the video first.

[@rup7591]

@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Why did you assumed he didn't? He is sharing his opinion.

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

@@rup7591: Alot of comments made when the video was only 1 minute old...

[@conlage]

I think its a really good game.

[@mr.goose1009]

Same. When it was released it just needed heaps of improvement. They would've been better off waiting and fixing the game up before publishing it. But hey, I still enjoy the game.

[@piratebear3126]

I've quite enjoyed you bringing your laid back "this is what it can do" approach to game reviews. Works well

[@MrJonbeez]

Sips fan?!?!?!?! Holy shit you legend. I remain

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Jon Day: The glorious bastard himself.

[@jacoblaube]

In Sorsby we trust

[@MrJonbeez]

Some say, the real guy, the best guy...

[@jacoblaube]

I am still waiting for my premium Sips Co Dirt

[@dementedchikenjc]

But where's uthergurd?

[@unclemikeyplays]

I wanted SO BADLY to like this game. I was addicted to SimCity 4 and a new SimCity seemed like a dream come true. And...there were things to genuinely like about the game, but only when you got past everything that was wrong with it. And in the end, the most crucial flaws, like city size, just could not be ignored forever. More to the point, the general attitude of, "We don't need to listen to the players; we know what's best for our game..." I mean, to some degree, mob rule just doesn't work for game design, and I get that, and even defended it to a point. But when **everyone** is telling you, "Dude, what's with the tiny cities?" and telling you your whole simulation model is kind of broken, maybe you ought to fess up and fix it! *deep breath* It's taken me a while to actually learn to love Cities: Skylines, as much as everyone pointed to that as the true SC4 successor. I realized only just recently that a lot of it was I was playing on older hardware that was just...clunky for most modern games. On my new machine, it's smooth, and I'm much happier with it and finally see why everyone else was as well.

[@Superlokkus5]

"Nice to look at"?! Are you kidding me? Look at this bulky, glitchy unrealistic graphics. What the hell is nice about this graphics, especially when compared to cities skylights?

[@ylbers2965]

I thought the same, actually. I do not like the graphics AT ALL.

[@Marksman560]

Yes, SimCity still is a bad game. Besides the 'City'-part of the name (mentioned in the video).. They also ruined the 'Sim' part, when you noticed: - All busses go to the same busstop - All inhabitants go to the same stores (for shopping) and factories (for work) - The inhabitants walk to the shop (physically) closeby. Even when that shop is only accessible by a miles-long 'detour' road. - The fake inhabitant-counter, where the game pretends you have millions of residence. And the general complaints: - Micropayments (per building) - Lies about the (im)possibility of offliine singleplayer mode. - No custom modding (as far EA is concerned) Traffic should not be a problem by the way (after patch 7.0 that is). You can abuse tunnels for long-distance travel, without giving up valuable space. Or just put 4 bridges on top of eachother to quadruple throughput. And really.. They have visually pleasing aesthetics. And such awesome usability and flexible road-design. Really the best ever... Until you realize all zoned buildings are of equal size and squared shape. So, to fully use the 'city' his land available to you, you end up with the primitive typed (8 by 8) grid layouts anyway.

[@chrizizdaman]

I agree. Also I have yet to see anyone here mention the numerous bugs in the game. For instance the great works never completing, not being able to bulldoze tram-road tunnels, and exports/imports getting stuck between cities.

[@einmuzi]

Yes, I hated the public Transport System. It will lead to Nothing and lots of empty busses will just drive in Queues pointlessly around the City...

[@conlage]

I really like Simcity 2013 i think it's really cool game

[@christosgian.8399]

Nicely said! A well-rounded review /revisit. As much I appreciated this game's unique points, I simply cannot forgive the fact that they limit you to villages instead of CITIES... I could forgive all the bugs, but not this.. Anyways, I'm gathering money to build a pc just for cities skylines :P

[@brentdaniel2163]

Once you go PC, you never go back. The dark side awaits you friend.

[@christosgian.8399]

@@brentdaniel2163 hahah, allow me to refrase your statement, and say that the pc is the bright side, somewhat like the heaven.. Currently I'm in "gaming hybernation", due to my low-end laptop.. :P Can't wait for the "awaking" :P

[@ssShockRyder]

did you get that pc yet ? i only got into cities skylines 2 months ago and i love it.

[@spacedoutorca4550]

They should have just done artillery only.

[@xDanilor]

lol

[@DokisKalin1]

I honestly much prefer Simcity 2013 over Cities Skylines. The latter doesn't get that there's more to city building than traffic management. At least Simcity includes the reality of economic class, education is more important, utilities can be modified to meet demand, cities can trade with each other, landmarks actually effect the game etc...

[@MohammedMuaawia]

Man the amazing graphics, UI, and that incredible soundtrack were almost enough to save the game. ALMOST.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

I never really thought this game looked that bad, but I never played it yet. I always thought it looked really good tbh but heard a lot of complaints. I know these days a lot of people say Skylines is the future but I would really love to see EA get as much of maxis back together to make a new SimCity taking the best parts of both Skylines and SimCity since neither game does everything perfectly but they both do a lot of things very well. One thing that I was always thought was SO COOL was the building expansion, like upgrading stuff to add more bits and stuff like that. I was pretty disappointed that Skylines never had anything like that, instead needing you to build multiple of the same buildings next to each other rather than upgrading one thing a lot. The multiplayer aspect always excited me too, not that I have any friends to play with. I really love the art and music and style like that a lot more than Skylines too, even the UI, its way more charming than Skylines’ basic HUD, SimCity has better colours for the HUD and small touches like Sims in the HUD, plus a few extra features like Sim’s having challenges for you and protesting at city hall and stuff like that. It’s a real shame that it seems to be let down due to the map sizes and the traffic constant issues. Although, I have a lot of trouble with Skylines too when it comes to traffic but it’s still better than SimCity as far as I can tell. If they could just make a new game with better graphics and the same style and stuff, but with all the improvements Skylines made, it would be so amazing!

[@kailomonkey]

I heard all the bad things about this game when it came out, having never owned a Sim City game myself. I bought Cities Skylines this year and had a lot of fun with it. But watching this video, there are some things I see this game does better and the smaller size and internet connectivity issues... I can see might have been a wholehearted attempt at a collaborative experience. Even if that's not what fans wanted and should have included a larger single player version.

[@macdaddymario]

Someone gets it. This comment is way late, but I can't believe I finally saw a comment that actually understood what they were going for. Each player was meant to have a 'section' of city to connect with other players to make a big interconnected city. But no one else seems to have ever understood this. Heaven forbid developers do something fans don't want, as an attempt to have *fun* developing their new project, instead of making the same game over and over. Expanding ideas about what a franchise could be, instead of only sticking to what it is. Did it work out? No. However, seeing SO FEW people actually understand what was intended is so painful when all the complaints ever are is 'bu-bu-but muh city size!!'

[@cody4893]

@@macdaddymario Developing games isn't about what the developers want, it's supposed to be about what the fans want. A lot of fans were aware of what the developers were intending to do, but that's not the game most fans wanted. You can't make a game that no one wants to play, see how long that business model lasts...experimentation is fine, but complete disregard for the wishes of the fan-base is a recipe for disaster.

[@yourneighbour5738]

Sim city was not dead It was *murdered*

[@Bitter_Biscuit]

I know cities skylines is cool but Sim City is much more satisfying when you watch your city getting better. I miss that game so much

[@peksn]

I remember being a kid and loving the start of a city where everyone is moving in and all the hoyses are being built at once in sim city 4

[@privateger]

Exactly how I feel.

[@cora9293]

Nostalgia feels

[@Dueilangoisseus]

@Kevin Nguyen BuildIt is garbage

[@jeltje50]

Kevin Nguyen wtf that game is NOTHING like sim city. That game is hot garbage.

[@toaster_bloke9999]

I'm just going to go out and get myself lynched by saying minus the online login controversy I actually really liked Simcity 2013 and even play it more than Cities Skylines....

[@swaggaming2564]

Eva :D i dont think the community here will lynch you, only force you to play fallout 4 with integrated graphics

[@toaster_bloke9999]

Well, considering my graphics card doesn't get here until thursday, I suppose I could do that if I wanted to.

[@swaggaming2564]

Eva :D it was bad enough playing at 13fps with a gt730

[@riley8280]

Agree

[@hhs_leviathan]

I am with you :)

[@Liam-jj7po]

I completely forgot that this game even existed. I'll carry on playing sim city 4 thank you very much

[@yourneighbour5738]

Sim city 4 is the latest sim city anyway that thing release in 2013 is not sim city.

[@OwainOwine]

I wish cities skylines had that expansion of facilities feature, it'd be great

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Man, I really wanted to love this. In fact, I used to love watching videos of other people playing this because I didn’t have my own copy. It’s a real shame it failed so hard honestly. Nowadays, I play Cities Skylines because it’s just better, but some SimCity 2013 features that I really wish were in Cities Skylines as they were super cool, like the customisable buildings, I love them!

[@whynotagain3639]

Cities skylines is moddable just like Sim City 4, there's a massive scene for it. Go to simtropolis

[@Yautja24]

Who wants multplayer....wtf

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

Not you, clearly. But definitely other people.

[@princenajim1687]

My neighbor specialized in the production of criminals and they constantly attacked my city and every 5 minutes I had to demolish buildings abandoned due to crime. Great game.

[@b.lew_photography571]

I originally played Simcity 2013 in 2017 because I had a free copy and tbh I really enjoyed it in it's current state. I eventually felt creatively limited so I made the jump to Cities Skyline and while it is WAY more in-depth, it's also harder to just play it for the kind of fun you play Simcity for "casual fun"

[@daelinproudmore5068]

Dude, the build space isn't even the size of a large suburb. Simcity 2013 put all it's efforts on the "glass box" technology, I followed the hype and development of this game up to launch and the resource management system was the big sell. After nearly a decade waiting for this damn game, it's something 2004 players didn't ask for, we wanted essentially a bigger better version of 2004. What we got was a tiny little village builder with a resource management system that was broken and guaranteed no Sim got to work on time. We didn't ask for multiplayer either. Glass box and multiplayer were very ambitious but after such along hiatus they shouldn't have tried it on the audience, but rather given us what we were demanding for years. Simtropolis forum goers (from back and the day) know what I'm talking about.

[@JohnDavis-ik5jc]

The small and few in number plot sizes are what killed it for me honestly.

[@aaronjohnson2215]

Cities Skylines is nice but it lacks depth big time, it's too sanboxy for me. SimCity is a big riddle - how to cram all the buildings. You have to build more cities and specialize them to make it all work which is nice. If not for the terrible traffic, bugged wonders and trams and other things it would be really nice game. I like modular buildings a lot and specializations. Hope they make it better next time.

[@kar351]

SimCity was not a bad game. It was a game with a lot of limitations. Comparing the two of them (we always end up comparing it with City Skylines), in my honest opinion, City Skylines lacks the detail of management SimCity have. The biggest problem in SimCity was the devs approach of "towns" areas instead of a big city. But even so, I understand why it was designed like that, for multiplayer, even if it was a bit odd experience and a bit lacking. Now, City Skylines is a great platform to build a city, but it lacks the management. There is no industry, pollution is not a problem (opposite what it was in SC), tourism was a big deal in simcity, while city skylines just fades, industrial approach of simcity was amazing, using chains of products to sell with a online market that dictate prices of goods, industrial in city skylines is just one more block like housing or comercial, also in city skyline industrial causes so massive transit that we end up passing hours and hours fixing roads. Some may say, well it is more realistic, but in a sense is not, one industrial building drops a truck to deliver goods, then all of them spaw thousands. Sure, it can be manageable in time, in a lot of time even with mods. For me both games are lacking and each one has things the other should have. If city skylines had the micro management of simcity, production chains, tech usable and research like simcity, the detail of tourism and production chains in industrial process, then it would be an amazing game. I critic both games, but I own both games with all the DLC's and expansions that came out, I love both games and occasional I still play simcity, solo, since multiplayer is dead. Both of them take alot of my time (and sometimes fun) playing it because of things that should be more easy to deal. When I play simcity I just think about how great would be to go beyond the limits imposed by the game area, and when I play city skylines I just think how great would be to build areas dedicated to tourism and so on, WITHOUT MODS! Speaking about modding, I use them, a lot of them in city skylines, but most them are just eye candy with the occasional tool like, traffic manager, prop manager and roads. If there is something that really using these mods does in city skylines is management of traffic. It all ends in traffic, in fact, lol, I think city skylines is a traffic simulation not a city simulation lol. (been a bit sarcastic here ;) ) Anyway, to the point of the video, thumbs up, you mentioned some aspects good and bad between both games, visually, I agree, simcity is superior even if city skylines came out like a year after simcity was dying. It has it's faults but graphical is much more better then city skylines without mods. There are mods for city skylines that just make the graphics amazing almost realistic, but I do not have enough power horse to deal with it fully. Thumbs up and thanks for the video.

[@LuchoCastle_11]

Hi, thanks for your comment, I currently play SimCity 2013 and it doesn't seem as bad as most people say it is, sure it has a lot of limitations but that doesn't take away the fact that the game can still give you hours of fun. Now I haven't played Cities Skylines, but recently I have begun considering to try it out, and even more after your comment, I am also interested in checking out some of the mods the community has to offer for the game. Particularly that graphics mod you mentioned, in that case, mind if I ask you what are the specs on how PC so I can compare it to mine and see if it's worth it downloading the mod? Thanks

[@kar351]

My pc specs are pretty low. CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K (quad core) FM2+ socket (3.7 mhz) overclocked @ 3.9 8 GB ram 1866 mhz Radeon R7 360 But stock, city skylines runs well, graphics are not much demanding but it is a CPU intensive game, in particular when your city has a considerable size, too many stuff going on in worse if let traffic run wild. Of course graphics also depends of the resolution you play, the higher the low fps you will have. I play at 1650x1050 resolution in a 21" monitor, with full details. I do not use demanding graphics mods, just a few things I find it cool looking. But it can be so great in graphics like the mods done for Skyrim ENB (google it or check out Nexus mods if you do not know what is it). I suggest catching a sale on steam and get many of the DLC's, most are good except one or another that just add new buildings with no function. It is a good game like I mentioned but lack the micro management aspect of simcity. But yea give it a try, if you played simcity you will like city skylines for sure.

[@MadMatt1810]

Dude ur so wrong about what ur saying from cities skylines

[@tonyeff4447]

@@MadMatt1810 I was going to comment but you pretty much summed up everything lol

[@skeletor6697]

the new industries DLC makes you look hella dumb kid

[@AlanRangel5]

4:32 no, it's not. Who plays SimCity with friends? It's a single player. EA ruined SimCity. What about the map sizes? You can choose between tiny and minuscule.

[@eggnog9427]

U think this is bad? Look at sim city buildit on mobile

[@Hurttoto]

I played that Worst game ever, it was just full of money grab

[@lanabanana9038]

Funny that you say that because so many people say that SimCity Buildit is the best mobile city building game

[@marclife2609]

Lmao, wtf.

[@makarevych]

@@lanabanana9038 Theo Town probably is the best mobile city game. Also there is tropico, but only for iPhones.

[@xDanilor]

@@lanabanana9038 do you even fucking understand what you're saying?? "best MOBILE CITY BUILDING".. MOBILE?! Man this makes me so angry, gaming is not made for small smartphones, it's made for computer and consoles. Also Simcity buildit is a damn moneygrab (like every EA game nowadays)

[@rachellejanssen2655]

the zoning and the graphics killed it for me, I decided to install it for fun since last time my pc wasn't that great but after the required tutorial I haven't been too interested to play anymore.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

With Cities Skyline this game is entirely redundant. EA's lies at launch, their insistence that it could not be played offline (when it could as long as you reconnected your internet for a few seconds every 30 minutes) They said "Much of the work is being done in the cloud". Which was nonsense. The game was broken for more than a year before basic things worked. Multiplayer did not work as demand and supply across cities was totally borked for the first 15 months after the game's release. Multiplayer now is still fraught with issues unless you play with people you know and trust. The engine was all style and no substance with sims leaving one home and returning to another. Pathfinding was terrible for vehicles and emergency services. Supply and demand even within one city was broken in many places. The UI looked modern (for 5 years ago) but the in game graphics themselves, the vehicles, people and buildings were not very good at all. The cities were TINY. Barely a hamlet. Scaled they were something like 900 meters across. Many of the fixes were hidden behind the paywall of requiring the first DLC. EA suck. Sim City 2013 sucked at launch and is not the market leader at all.

[@RobbieHatley]

900m??? Wow, that's even smaller than the smallest cities in SimCity4 which are 1000m x 1000m squares. (And the biggest cities are 4km x 4km.) I don't use either much; I prefer the medium cities (2km x2km, over 4 times the area of SC2013 cities from what you tell me). Wow, they really *did* "downgrade" SC4 to SC2013.

[@CabbageRoyale]

You forgot to mention that every sim gets a new job each morning and goes home to a new house each night. For some reason I actually love this game. I have 200 hours logged since launch

[@SnewoProductions]

Because we have Cities Sk-, nvm.

[@KAL5370]

no one asked for multi player game in a single player game. EA isnt too bright these days.

[@DoctorFlux]

Cities skyline is what simcity 2013 should have being but sadly cities skyline even without mods is using very high on CPU/Ram and also there is a limit when getting a big citiy so even if you have the best PC ever there wont come more buildings/people/anything like simcity 4(blame unity game engine for this not really CS devs.) did not have that problem but still better than simcity 2013 for sure but will say simcity 2013 has better graphics(even with CS mods SC 2013 looks still better) & Simcity 2013 is alot easier for casuals too i say SC2013 is better for casuals than skyline

[@tonyzed6831]

Skylines is hugely demanding, and without mods there are HUGE problems with it. It's still much better than SC2013 but you need a beast to run it like it should have been made (with graphical enhancement mods and traffic enhancement mods). The devs have a tendency to take bizarre decisions and to not fix some problems (although they're reported again and again).

[@manictiger]

Unseat, reseat RAM. If the game still runs poorly, then your computer sucks. I'm using an i7 920 with 6GB of RAM. This was a really nice PC 9 years ago. NINE YEARS AGO. The game works great on it.

[@tonyzed6831]

My PC is running perfectly, thanks. The unmodded game runs perfectly, thanks. But EVERYONE agrees that when the cities become big the game slows down and the fast speed isn't fast anymore. Also, if you want an acceptable antialiasing (because the unmodded game looks terrible), you must use a mod, and you will need a fast GPU. If you want to use a mod to fix the flawed traffic engine, you will need a very fast pc too.

[@manictiger]

You sound like a spoiled brat. Wah, it doesn't look like Crysis! Why can't I get it to look like Crysis while simulating AN ENTIRE CITY without tanking performance! Life is full of prioritization and compromises. You want graphics? Go play a different game. You want a simulation? Then you've come to the right place. I never even use AA. I just don't care. Hell, some of my favorite games have 'horrible graphics', like Rimworld, M&B Warband, Factorio, Kenshi, etc.

[@tonyzed6831]

"You sound like a spoiled brat." OMG man... please go on.

[@rorrimcigam]

I like the megatowers and skyways. That's one thing that I would like to see added to Cities Skylines. I own both, and have played SimCity 2013 pretty extensively. The only thing that I thought sucked about SimCity 2013 was that if you started a shared map and someone made a city and abandoned it, you could never seem to recover that spot back to build on it. Other than that, I think I had just about as much fun with either of them.

[@mike64817]

Skylines rules!! This is because of the fact while implementing mods within the game for a higher experience. Everything is working great on skylines (some bugs may occur as same as sim city 2013). But is a fact that one of the best city builders is the sim city 4. Honestly I truly believe, Cities skylines based all its contents because of sim city 4. It is like the evolution of how simcity 2013 should be made.

[@conlage]

Does Cities of Skyline have night time?

[@mr.goose1009]

Yeah it does, it's just crap. You're fps just dies

[@lokibau]

@@mr.goose1009 no fps drop for me, i bet your pc is just crap dude

[@donotryon9389]

I still think even with mods, traffic AI sucks in skylines as well

[@Priyo866]

Simcity 4 is far better and more realistic than Cities Skylines with the exception of flexibility. It is not a clean Euro city painter - it is an actual city manager.

[@bencilbusher5070]

yes, played it very recently. You can't destroy high density avenue tunnels without a mod. The mass transportation system still has bugs where the buses or trains don't deploy and where sims don't ride it. Some $$$ sims are uneducated despite there being efficient traffic flow and enough capacity. One way streets are still not a thing. City sizes are still the same.

[@Bitter_Biscuit]

You nailed every point that I was thinking of Great job man

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Glad to know it helped. Cheers.

[@ReviveHF]

I really wish there's a game where the modding capability and the gameplay elements of the Cities Skylines combined with the Sim City 2013's "Into the Future expansion pack" and lively atmospheres(When you clicked any objects in Sim City 2013 like stadium or car, there will be interactive sound effects for it,when you clicked a human being they will say hello to you).

[@snake4322]

I love the new reviews you're doing, man!

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Thanks man, appreciate it

[@joannaatkins822]

Westy ditto

[@terner1234]

Budget-Builds Official would you like to review team fortress 2?

[@NawiTheCore]

Honestly, this game will be fun if it wasn't for the map size restriction. The reality is that you run out of space in the blink of an eye and you have to a start a new city. Although this new city can be connected to your old one, it's still a new city. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around why they made the maps so damn small.

[@dominiclopez4997]

I think they made it small because the game on first release they made it online so it's like simcity multiplayer no one would complain to load much slower in severs because. Big cities just imagine 16 cities (16 players) everyone playing gigantic cities at the same time and. EA mention it before due to limited hardware that's why they it made small maps than gigantic maps.

[@steph_man372]

The upgradable buildings, park and the whole specialization stuff is something I wish we could get in cities skylines. That stuff was great.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

Likely ported onto C:S 2. The first game was made in a rush by a team less than half than it is today, so they couldn't outright copy a feature, let alone make it work. They did their best, and thank god they gave room for modding, because otherwise the game would have plunged into the abiss with time

[@Griffon-xm9yg]

I enjoyed the time I spent playing SimCity2013, but I prefer Cities Skylines if I want a city builder now. I actually tried to go back and play SimCity2013, but I encountered the same old bugs that was in the game before and rage quit. The one major thing they did right was making it multiplayer. The multiplayer aspect and the futuristic DLC is the only thing that makes it stand out from Cities Skylines or even Cities XL. Yes you could build onto existing utilities or services, but that was just a minor aspect that I often forget about and don't miss. Being complexly honest, the best things to focus on in city builders is roads/transport and creating large sprawling cities. The more complex the road systems can be the more fun city builders are; that was even apparent in SimCity4.

[@Rodrigo-rd1]

u forgot to talk about how the sims go for the closest job and sometimes dont even go to the same house at night.

[@yyangcn]

I just wish there could be a combination between Simcity 2013's art style with Cities: Skyline's mechanics and map size, then it'd be close to perfect. Guess that's where mods come in then.

[@Sk0p3r]

i was about to write a pretty long comment about the game but everything i wanted to say, you said.

[@steph_man372]

I still go back to SC2013 here and there. There's just elements in the game that I really miss in cities skylines.The modular buildings, the park building options (although parklife has helped a lot in that aspect), the way health and crime works is way better than just a number that goes up slowly and the specializations were great, especially tourism. If cities had the tourism aspect of SC2013, with the much, much better public transport system, I'd be stoked.

[@zcrib3]

I just wish someone would take Sims off EA hands. It has plenty of untapped potential. It has had very few little significant changes since Sims 2 and works more like their sports games: pop a new name of year on it and ship it.

[@TimeoutMegagameplays]

EA has already closed the studio that made SimCity so yeah... Ea style.

[@info0]

but they have rights to Sims and they have kept their devs. Sims 4 is actually awesome game lol, but you can see EA meddling business in it already. Main game was 49.99$, but then came out the DLCs and.... Were priced at same price as full game. The fuck EA?! Still can hold my ground and say, Sims has one of most advanced AI (Artificial Intelligence) systems used in games.

[@donotryon9389]

what? lol it changed dramatically from Sims 2 - 3 - 4 and there were 5 years in between each

[@tomw4955]

I paid full price when it came out. Well EA gifted me Dragon age Origins and DA2 as compensation for the server problems so not a bad deal^^. But honestly, While I know of its flaws sometimes I like to play it still. even over Cities Skylines. Cause its faster, less demanding. after a long day of work I just want a city esque feeling. and the small maps feel like a puzzle to be solved.

[@HyperionZero]

SimCity 2013 is still good yes it is. I still play it and love it! I don't know why would people would hate this game now? I still like it.

[@Leo3ABPgamingTV]

I think the biggest problem of small build area was a design behind how it was introduced to player. Instead of calling each tile a city and sparsely spread on "region" map, they should have been called districts and placed close together on global (i.e. region) map which should've been renamed into City map. That minimal change would've averted larger parts of shitshtorm critique about "tiles are small, this game is not simcity but simtown warrrgh waargh waargh!" that idiots were screeching back then and many still do. Smack some marketing lines like "Build your city districts in coop mode together with friends!" and suddenly a supposed shortcoming comes off as a genuine feature that sells the game. Apart from absolutely unnecessary "always online" policy which completely prevented many people from playing the game during first week of release, nothing was fundamentally wrong with the game. It was just some relatively easy to fix but also very noticeable design mistakes that together with online issues created bad initial publicity. Unfortunately most people are too dumb for a well thought out and constructive criticism and ability to see forest behind trees. So instead of at least giving game another chance, they just kept pouring shit on SC13. At that point no matter what Maxis was or would do, throngs of morons had their mind set on bashing the game on every turn. Ultimately all that led to EA pulling a plug both on Maxis and SC13 and we are still stuck without anything better and/or more modern than SC4. And before somebody jumps in and points at Cities Skylines - no, it is not a good city building game. Skylines is great city PAINTING game which, apart from traffic simulation, completely lacks any sort of interesting mechanic related to running a city, and cities themselves just feel lifeless, artificial and without any personality, having form but lacking substance. Add on top of that an overall lack of content in skylines with its complete dependence on mods, and it hardly can be called a game anymore, more like an engine to which you can download assets and then paint nice cities with unlimited funds to make cool screenshots. As a standalone game out of the box SC13 is much more enjoyable game than Skylines.

[@vnshngpnt]

SimCity is not big in map size, but it's bigger in-depth. If you just want to chill and build a nice city, SimCity is still better. The Glassbox and agents have their problems with pathing, true, but it's still more fun to watch multiple systems working via cool interactive maps, to follow police cars going to the crime scene, or ambulances going to pick up sick sims, etc, especially in a big city. Skylines are more like road builder than city builder.

[@catriona_drummond]

Hm, I played Cities Skylines a lot and the longer I played it the more uncomfortable I felt. The traffic is just so dumb! cars don't use all lanes, they all use the same shortest route and create massive jams while actual drivers would look for a way around, etc etc. Also traffic density even in a very small town is so high already, it's completely out of proportion. Now you can fix all of this. You can design super thoughtful and sophisticated road system, public transport, there are tons of mods that let you control every single traffic light and connect every single street lane properly. But honestly That level of micromanagement is just overkill. I want to play a CITY BUILDER, not a TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SIM. But that's all you do in Cities skyline. Carefully design your cities around their transportation needs. Its so effectivity driven that there is little room for doing things creatively or beautiful instead of efficiently. I got sick of it. And went back to SimCity IV. Runs terribly but its still the much better game. Its an actual city builder where you build a city, instead of managing traffic lights. Sad that you say traffic in this game is even worse. Otherwise I might have had a try.

[@adrianatgaming8640]

finally someone i can relate!

[@FullMetalChains]

Managing traffic is one of the the key aspects of city building. Moreover, the map size in simcity is too small while the same in cities skylines is huge.

[@catriona_drummond]

Exactly! "one of the key aspects!" not THE key aspect. cities skylines is way too much about traffic.

[@adrianatgaming8640]

also quite more fustrating than simcity to build roads

[@adrianatgaming8640]

you start playing thinking it's a great game then when you play more and start noticing its quirks, you know it's less of a great game. including the mods that you must install, they come with a lot of glitches

[@namelazz1999]

Things SC 2013 does better than C:S: -soundtrack -graphics -mineral mining -specialization for the city (like one city focuses on education, another one on tourism ect.) -interaction between cities -has disasters in the base game, even though they're more like just for fun -and, the most important one, building expansion. I just love that feature! Things C:S does better than SC 2013: -traffic -public transport -map size (even though the idea for the max city size in SC was to have multiple cities having to interact with each other in order to be fully functional, the fact that you can't build cities with a population higher than 100k makes this stupid) -aaaaand a lot of other stuff

[@fullyawakened]

TL:DR Still Bad

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

That's not what I say...

[@RMJ1984]

If EA actually had any integrity. They would have owned up to the mistake of SimTown 2013, instead of firing the team. Imagine SimTown 2013 ported to a new engine, bigger maps, fixed the bugs and actually give players the tools to deal with traffic. Because traffic is fun to deal with and solve, when you actually have the tools, just like how real life. Then it might live up to the name SimCity. So far it's simtown. The last SimCity game for me, is Simcity 4. And that game has even cities skylines beat. Because Cities skylines still has issues, music is lack cluster to say it mildly, it lacks charm, humor. But at least it lets you make a CITY, and gives you the tools to deal with it. Just take the fact they gave up curved roads, yet they gave us tiny plots, which means that curved roads wastes to much space. So instead of having personalized cities, every city ends up looking the same, because players were forced to use every single inch in cramming and many buildings in as possible. Where as in Cities Skylines. You just go crazy, ive never filled an entire square in that game with buildings. I have suburbs all over the place. Which is fun, creates unique city, and helps with traffic. Anyways ive always kinda secretly hoped that Cities Skylines Dev would pick up SimCity devs, imagine a Cities Skylines 2, Sim Skyline whatever with the both of best worlds.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

Compared to Cities: Skylines. Yes. Every city builder game is

[@SidMajors]

I really tried liking this game, since I LOVE building games/strategy/resource management/etc. I basically played every game in those genre's since 1995. Put over 200 hours in it, got the crap expansion and came back every now and then. I can safely say: Yes it is still VERY bad. Even worse: it was obsolete from the beginning. And that's aside from the bad launch, bugs, stupid ass features or design decisions. My replacement was Cities XL. I know I know, VERY bad gameplay, bugs, etc. But I just loved the grand scale of things. That was enough to make it a better city builder for me than Simcity was back in the day. And indeed, as you stated, now we have Cities Skylines. There is literally 0 reason to ever go back to Simcity. Even with mods.

[@Bwibble]

I presonally find simcity to be the better game as it has more of a sense of charm and theres a feeling of connection to your town/city as you watch it grow and develope. Whereas cities: skylines is much more detatched from the city and feels... klunky..? either way, I think that simcity 2013 is an amazing game with lots of fun to be had, but cities skylines gives you the opportunity for a more detailed simulation of a real city. I like both games but Simcity 2013 is much more appealing to me, personally.

[@susa.k.a.pinkguy2036]

if only cities skylines looked like simcity 2013 and without having 50 mods it would be much more satisfying, i mean i really dislike the style that cities skylines has...too cartoony ofc with mods u can fix this but ur fps is shitting bricks even around 100 k, ofc i have made ciites in skylines up to over 700 k with mods and with 20 fps, but i feel cities skylines personality, its quite "empty" its hard to describe, it doesnt have that feel good feel that simcity gives you, cities skylines cities feels more like "work" than a game even tho the traffic sim in ciitess skylines is amazingily good, maybe too good

[@vincentas1]

Okey watched the video but still cities skylines better

[@vincentas1]

My opinion

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

It's better in everyway that isn't what I say in the video.

[@vincentas1]

Budget-Builds Official True...

[@majamystic256]

I personally like simcity 4 the best... it runs better than simcity 2013 and cities skylines

[@miguelpadeiro762]

@@majamystic256 Why does it? Maybe because it is an older game? No that can't be it...

[@danielduncan6806]

The thing that comes to mind is "Anything you can do I can do better. Anything you can I can do better than you." Sure, in a world where Sim City 4 and Skylines do not exist, in a world where there is a complete city simulator vacuum, Sim City 2013 will thrive. But that world does not exist. Also, a few things I noticed in the video shots of the Sim City 2013 play. A 4 lane avenue going into a 2 lane bridge, no merging lanes, the outside lanes just dead end into the ends of the bridge? What the fuck @ that. Then, moments later, you have a couple of industrial trucks travelling down a road, then turning onto another 4 lane avenue, and instead of using the intersection, they drive right over the median, another WTF moment. And I am sure that is just the tip of the iceberg. And you talked about the music for the game? Who the fuck listens the music for ANY of these games? Have you not heard of this fancy website called KZbin? There is an infinite supply of music right here. Screw the game soundtracks, for all the games. After years of playing these games, these stock sound tracks are old and outdated.

[@redocious8741]

You know. Cities skylines. Exists.

[@cheeseguy0198]

I honestly thing the gameplay would break down without that small city constriction. you would have every single specialization and it would honestly bog the game down. How the game works, if you were to put too many specialized buildings, you would miss out on important rci space. However I’ve looked past the small city size and I’ve spend many hours playing this game. It’s so pretty to look at.

[@exsosus5002]

This is the best review video for the game and its truth I can find. I prefer this anyday over Skylines. Yes... It has its flaws. Does it still have the award feelikng of SimCity with accomplishing research and development that most other city sims lacks? Yes. Multiplayer sharing of resources? Yes. Bugs? Unfortunately many, but this needs to be left on the side and yes I wish they had made the maps bigger but that is one of my only few complaints. If I were to create Simcity 2020 next year with game designers that would be a requirement.

[@Thejobz122]

Won't lie I enjoy SimCity 2013 as much as I do Cities Skylines. I have 70 hours on SC and 300 on C:S. SimCity is fun and casual and Cities Skylines is just challenging and fun to see the results. I play both to have fun. I have fun with both.

[@riley8280]

In my opinion, in itself it was an alright game. Fun to play but not exactly what I wanted from SimCity. The limitations were glaring and the content was severely lacking. The original always online DRM that they had didn't particularly effect the game when I played. But pointless and counter intuitive, like most things from EA. In all I enjoyed this game alot and I played the shit out of it.

[@RichManSCTV0]

I may not agree with everything you are saying, but good video. As an old SimCity player what really sucks is how small it is, tiny cities with no room.

[@HelicopterDown]

There are a lot of features in it that I still prefer over Cities Skylines, like the building Customizations (would really be nice in Cities: Skylines), Simcity is still pretty fun, but it's lacking in replayability. (Although I've gotten bored of Cities Skylines after over 100 hours so that's probably why Simcity was a bit of a nice refreshment, till that got boring too.)

[@epoc162]

Inability to kick inactive players and reset fucked map zones from those players effectively killed the game. Spend weeks on a city and make it badass only to hit a wall because no one else was active in your zone and you just run out of resources and can never create a wonder. Then the map siz was nothing but oppressive. EA totally jacked up sim city.... just like everything else they touch.

[@chatlanin4135]

Another big issue are the Great Works, which causes traffic stuck. It is because connection with great work can be done ONLY! by road (wtf?!). E.g. adding train connection for International Airport would be logical right?

[@tonyOn1ce]

There is something really charming that Cities Skylines simply doesn't do. Though Skylines is the obvious superior game I really miss Sim City. I know EA destroyed Macis but I'm hoping Sim City comes back someday. And that they do it right.

[@ray_1053]

I wonder if they'll ever make another Simcity game.. They could improve upon the previous game with so much without editing the overall system.. Bigger maps, bug fixes, power lines and better AI would make it soooo much better.

[@SirNarax]

Cities Skylines is not absolutely superior I would argue. Primarily price. Vanilla Cities Skylines without any of the DLC is very underdeveloped and is frankly kind of boring. It has a greater scope and you have more control over your cities but it is not that fun without the DLC, the DLC costs over a hundred USD and growing. Sim City has a much smaller scope and more limited options but its' mechanics feel much more fleshed out. Cities Skylines feels basic on purpose in order to justify the DLC.

[@SuwinTzi]

The multiplayer aspect only really works with friends or trusted builders. Cause I remember being trolled by people joining my region and just creating a high crime, high pollution city that just plagues every other city in the region.

[@brendan5235]

We need Cities Skylines’s map size and traffic management with SC2013’s beauty and micromanagement. Both games are so lackluster for me as is.

[@tfishr]

It was such a great game right up until you hit the invisible walls surrounding your city. All they had to do was increase the maximum size. Everything else was forgivable. They never did. What a tragedy.