SIMMONS MAKO 125 gr Broadhead Test

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Lusk Archery Adventures

Lusk Archery Adventures

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This is a test of the 125 gr Simmons Mako, four blade broadhead.
Here is summary of my 2023 Testing Procedure & Scoring w/the scores of this head posted in parenthesis as well.
Mako Total Score: 87.15 = 9 Golden Arrows
1. Flight Forgiveness (20%, 16 pts)
This is not just a test of how heads fly out of my bow, as it was in the past. With a well tuned bow, properly built arrows & good form, almost every head flies well. That's why in the past most heads got a flight score of 9 or 10. But that doesn't help those who may not have perfectly tuned bows/arrows/good form. So now I am gauging Flight Forgiveness. This is based on how the head flies for me, how well it spins, how "sensitive" the flight is to imperfections, & the exposed surface area of the blades. The max score of a Mech is 20 & the max score of a Fixed is 16.
2. Cut Size (20%, 15.65 pts)
The more tissue being cut, the more lethal the head, all else equal. The entrance cut, total cut, & width of the cut (a crucial variable for bloodletting) are all scored:
The entrance cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" then that fraction is weighted to 7% of the score. (2.125" = 5.95 pts)
The max cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" as well, then that fraction is is weighted to 7% of the score. (2.125" = 5.95 pts)
The max cutting diameter is compared to a standard of 2.0", then that fraction is weighted to 6% of the score. (1.25" = 3.75 pts)
3. Blades (20%, 17.85 pts)
Initial sharpness (9%, 125 grams = 10/10 = 9 pts) & Edge Retention (9%, +75 gram = 8.5/10 = 7.65 pts) are measured using the Edge On Up Sharpness Tester. The pressure needed for a blade to cut thru a copolymer wire is measured in grams.
Edge Retention is the loss of sharpness after the head is shot in Penetration Test 1, thru 1/2" MDF and 2/3" rubber foam mat & Clear Ballistics FBI gel. For every 50 "grams" of sharpness lost, 1 point is deducted from 10.
What are some sharpness scores for common edges?
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge: ~ 375 grams of pressure.
A utility razor blade: 200 grams.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
Ease to resharpen or replace blades is judged & given 2% of the score. (6/10= 1.2 pts)
4. Penetration (20%, 16.57 pts)
There are 3 penetration tests:
Pen Test 1: 1/2" MDF, 2/3" rubber foam mat, Clear Ballistics FBI gel. Depth of penetration is compared to a standard of 9" & weighted to 9% of the score. (7.5" = 7.5 pts)
Pen Test 2: Layered cardboard. # of layers penetrated is compared to a standard of 70 layers & weighted to 9% of the score.
(55 layers=7.07 pts)
Angled Penetration Test: How effectively does the head penetrate 1/4" MDF covered by carpet at a 45 degree angle. This accounts for 2% of the score. (10/10 = 2 pts)
5. Durability (20%, 19.58 pts)
Each head is shot thru 1/2" MDF 3 times. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 12% of the score. (10/10 = 12 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot thru 22 ga steel plate twice. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 5% of the score. (9.75/10 = 4.88 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot into concrete once. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 3% of the score. (9/10 = 2.7 pts)
Steel plate & concrete are certainly not "realistic" mediums, but they do reveal the outer limits of a head's durability.
BONUS: +1 extra forgiving flight
+.5 extra sharp blades
Total Mako 125 gr SCORE: 87.15 pts = 9 Golden Arrows
Price: $15.32/head
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Пікірлер: 107
@chrisfitch2905
@chrisfitch2905 Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the few times your scoring system did not truly reflect how good the head is. It lost t.5 points on blade sharpness retention, but even at a 200 it is still sharper than most heads out there. Don't get me wrong, your scoring system is far and away the best I have seen! It's as close to perfect as I think you can get! That said it still did loose sharpness and it is an edge retention test. I have been doing a lot of thinking about blade sharpness lately. Is it better to have a head that starts at 200 and stays at 200 through an animal, or would it be better for a head to start out at a 125 but degrade to 200? Not really sure and to be honest not sure it really would matter most of the time? I guess I spend to much time on the tractor thinking about things lol! Great Job as always
@Guns4570
@Guns4570 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree that would be an accurate statement regarding it being dulled to 200 haha. That is sharper that most of the heads he starts with.
@joemisak7925
@joemisak7925 Жыл бұрын
Totally caught that too .. and agree . Can’t give a head 10 starting out as sharp as one that was shot through mdf..
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I've debated that approach quite a bit. But what I am quantifying is how quickly it can lose its edge...not the sharpness after it goes thru Penetration Test 1. The reason is that every animal is going to be different, and dull the edge differently, so edge retention is a more important thing to measure than final sharpness.
@chrisfitch2905
@chrisfitch2905 Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Edge retention is super important for sure!
@wcwcgarner2717
@wcwcgarner2717 Жыл бұрын
1st to say thank you for the great testing you do. You set the mark. I will not but a broadhead wt out seeing it. In your tests
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jons858
@jons858 11 ай бұрын
Took a nice buck with one of these 125gr heads a couple weeks ago. 27yd broadside shot, right through a rib, double lung, through top of heart and into the dirt. 490gr arrow out of a 70lb Bowtech Solution SS.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience.
@billmcstay194
@billmcstay194 Жыл бұрын
Strongest aluminum ferrule yet...? Maybe the most beautiful broad head, that thing is a work of art. Thank you so much for hands down one of my favorite youtube channels ever.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robertduguay689
@robertduguay689 Жыл бұрын
Wow several great heads this year. Great work. Thanks
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Right?
@keystonestatebowmen3128
@keystonestatebowmen3128 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Very impressive to say the least! Figured it would do well but it greatly exceeded my expectations!
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@jdomacon
@jdomacon Жыл бұрын
Wow! Very impressive! I just knew that ferrule would be the weak point. They have something figured out over there.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@thwackTX
@thwackTX Жыл бұрын
I've shot the 100 grain Makos into 2x4 blocks and could not get them to break or even show any edge curl even after 10+ shots. Even the bleeders stayed on and they still spun true.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Good to hear.
@warrenneumann
@warrenneumann Жыл бұрын
Will be picking some of these up next season. Already have mine for this season
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Nice
@jonwazny6747
@jonwazny6747 Жыл бұрын
I love simmons broadheads, last year was my firat year shooting the makos 100g, took 3 deer with them last season. Very strong heads. Might bump up to the 125g next year. Thanks for the reveiws
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@kysonjohnson4932
@kysonjohnson4932 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always, going with the Sevr 1.5s for whitetails this year! This is a great head though!
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@nadineherrell5426
@nadineherrell5426 Жыл бұрын
Good show and review. Michael Herrell
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@timbow50
@timbow50 Жыл бұрын
Another WINNER! A very impressive head. 👍👍
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@EarthyBlendPOV
@EarthyBlendPOV Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed! Hope you have the opportunity to do a TreeShark.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I’ve done a few by Simmons but not yet that one. They’re supposed to be sending me some now.
@bdubs1010
@bdubs1010 Жыл бұрын
Wish they’d make this in a single bevel. Would be like a bigger brother to the Kudu contour +. I like the kudu but it’s 1/16” smaller on the main blades and 1/4” smaller on the bleeders. This one would be sick in a single bevel!
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@eriklarson84
@eriklarson84 4 ай бұрын
The kudus size goes up and the weight goes up. A 125 kudu is 1.25” wide and the 150 is 1.375” wide.
@pennyontrack
@pennyontrack Жыл бұрын
Crazy wound channel. Should zoom in on them a bit more so people can see. Love your channel thank you for all you do
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@vfonte218
@vfonte218 Жыл бұрын
Great head...wouldn't hesitate to use it
@TRUTH609
@TRUTH609 Жыл бұрын
Wow, talk about SHARP! Impressive head
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep
@tasaman
@tasaman Жыл бұрын
Now that seems like a great head for just about any shooter. Low poundage? One of the sharpest heads to hit the shelf. High speed? Flies great. I do wonder how it would do on a tough shoulder like a moose or big hog though. I think it would do great.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@Kurtdog63
@Kurtdog63 Жыл бұрын
Narrow ferrule bases kind of suck if you have shafts that are wider. Friction feature. I like broadheads that are carbon steel and sharpenable without special jigs. I have several of the carbon steel Simmons, 160 to 190 grains, and a few that are glue on so you can use different weight screw in adapters and get them up to 240 grains with a 125 gr adapter. Their two blade cutting widths are super wide, some over 1 5/8s. They really don't need the extra blades.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I see.
@rickgoing7027
@rickgoing7027 Жыл бұрын
I shot my Simmons Swampsharks today and they were grouping 1-2" groups with my field points at 30 yards which is the farthest I could shoot in my yard. . I was shocked that I didn't need to make any tuning adjustments! This is from my compound shooting 192 gr solid blade head with a 1 5/8" cut at 270 fps ! Now that I tried it I just do not see the reason to use mechanicals for whitetails again.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
They are impressive.
@cray-z7404
@cray-z7404 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this ! I believe it will fly well out of my 370 crossbow & penetration wise I’m sure it’s better than my Thorn Rift 2.2 broadheads that I’ve been killing deer with !
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@kurtglo
@kurtglo Ай бұрын
how did these work for you with your crossbow??
@timberg7377
@timberg7377 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that was impressive
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@deanbrantley
@deanbrantley Жыл бұрын
Wow…I’d have to say that has to be one of the best stainless heads ever in concrete
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
It's not typical stainless.
@michaelrosa5410
@michaelrosa5410 Жыл бұрын
What is there not to like other than she dulled quick. But with such a high starting sharpness point, you can't complain. The hole in steel plate, sort of what I key on for wound channel evidence was top shelf. 1-3/16th outside cut, and a 7/8th bleeder cut is perfect. Could maybe have sharpened the back sides of the blades ? I assume you can add that on yourself when sharpening ? Normally these type of heads have tip roll over issues upon hard contact. Not sure if this ferrule is what is helping, but still, I think some actual field testing should show this head's worth. Flight was top shelf as was penetration. Truthfully a head worthy of a test drive
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
It didn't dull too much--was still sharper than most are out of the package. And 8.5/10 on edge retention for that kind of initial sharpness is pretty good.
@yourmomma2995
@yourmomma2995 Жыл бұрын
a head with a concave angle like that, i would just use any pull through style sharpener.
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep. That will work.
@dewetrobertson1752
@dewetrobertson1752 Жыл бұрын
Love your tests, what would be your top 3 picks for Koedoe, Eland and elk??
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
For a mech, it would be a Sevr 1.5. But I'd probably go with a fixed for the Eland, especially. Lots of great fixed blade heads to choose from for that.
@cosmogervasi4496
@cosmogervasi4496 Жыл бұрын
This head is No Joke, u really like it ... 😎🏹🐗🦌
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Right on
@cray-z7404
@cray-z7404 Жыл бұрын
Will you test the Thorn Rift 2.2 broadhead again with new improved test ? Please !
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
If they send me some I will...or if someone donates them. You can ask the company to send me some :)
@155michaelx
@155michaelx Жыл бұрын
awesome
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
:)
@willspears1279
@willspears1279 26 күн бұрын
Wish they made this in a 175 or 200 grain
@kurtglo
@kurtglo Ай бұрын
so you're saying if you purchase their 125 grain Mako, it's a solid head and not vented? Also, do you think this would fly okay with a crossbow?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Ай бұрын
That’s right. That’s what makes the extra weight. I think they would fly well out of most crossbows. I personally prefer a mechanical like the Sevr Robusto crossbow. That being said, these are very forgiving and flight and penetrate extremely well.
@ThirdLawPair
@ThirdLawPair 28 күн бұрын
Here's my question. In terms of putting down the animal quickly, is a 1.25" blade plus the 0.875" bleeder equivalent to a 2.125" blade without the bleeders? The rationale is that it has the same effect, but do we know that for sure?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 27 күн бұрын
I've found that a wider cutting head usually produces more of a blood trail than a less wide head that has 3 or 4 blades...the narrower cutting heads can make holes that get plugged easier than a wider cut. And the wider cuts often stretch even wider than their cutting diameter. But the narrower cutting heads, again, even with the same total cut typically fly better and penetrate better.
@ThirdLawPair
@ThirdLawPair 27 күн бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thank you. How would you compare the flight performance and penetration of the wide head vs the multi-blade?
@ashadow315
@ashadow315 5 ай бұрын
Where is the non vented one available? I only see vented on the website?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 5 ай бұрын
Yes, that's the 100 gr. I tested that a couple years ago.
@tsz374
@tsz374 3 ай бұрын
After concrete block, looks like the blade tip is broken
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 3 ай бұрын
I can't remember; it may have broken when I had to pull it out of the concrete.
@jolookstothestars6358
@jolookstothestars6358 Жыл бұрын
Hey John have you seen the Swacker broadhead testing done by Levi Morgan and staff? I know you will appreciate it. I made a comment on it see if you agree. Appreciate you!
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I haven't seen those. I'm too busy doing my own testing and being a Pastor :)
@jolookstothestars6358
@jolookstothestars6358 Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I totally can understand that!!
@cray-z7404
@cray-z7404 Жыл бұрын
What is best scoring fixed outside of the blood force 1.25 by DeadXBowhunting
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Trifecta 125 gr beat the score by a hair.
@DirtyRedDog
@DirtyRedDog Жыл бұрын
When will you be doing the new tooth of the arrow single bevel?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I was just testing it, but the batch I got was messed up. A new batch is coming in a few weeks; I'll test it as soon as it comes in.
@frankbrowning328
@frankbrowning328 Жыл бұрын
An excellent broadhead however IMO this design works best as a single bevel design
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Well, kind of hard to quantify that. But thanks for the comment.
@puregameplay7916
@puregameplay7916 9 ай бұрын
Would this be good in a 40lb recurve shooting at 200fps?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 8 ай бұрын
Yes they would.
@puregameplay7916
@puregameplay7916 8 ай бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I grabbed the tiger sharks at 165gr for a slightly heavier arrow. With 125gr tips, my FOC is at 14% and with 165gr it's at 18% FOC.
@kevinrindone5786
@kevinrindone5786 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a spreadsheet of the heads that you have tested?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I do, but not yet compiled for this year. I post it as the last vid of each year. The one from 2021 and 2022 are in those last vids of each of those years.
@kevinrindone5786
@kevinrindone5786 Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I'm curious how they compare to previous"victors". Also, have you ever tried the Rage Chisel Tip 3- Blade Mechanical? They are red
@CaseyHarner-v3l
@CaseyHarner-v3l 2 ай бұрын
Is this the mako or the land shark?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures 2 ай бұрын
It’s the Maiko. Just like the name says. They’re 100 grain is vented and the 125 grain is solid.
@CaseyHarner-v3l
@CaseyHarner-v3l 2 ай бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures My fault. I looked on their website and it only shows both vented for the 100 grain and 125 grain. Where can I send you some broad heads to try out?
@KiwiBoer
@KiwiBoer Жыл бұрын
How difficult is it to sharpen those?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Not very. The Stay Sharp Guide C is designed to make sharpening curved blades easy & very effective. A pull thru sharpener will work as well-not as good, but still will work.
@Mossberg590Mariner
@Mossberg590Mariner Жыл бұрын
do i need to change my POA? i shoot 100 gr broadheads at 55# . Will there be any changes?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Simmons makes a 100 gr Mako; the 125 will probably shoot slightly lower beyond 20 yds or so out of a 55# bow.
@rickgoing7027
@rickgoing7027 Жыл бұрын
You may need to retune. Then again you may not! I screwed on my Swamp Sharks which are 1 5/8" wide and weigh a 192 grains today and they shot within 1-2" groups with my field points and required no tuning. This was after I unscrewed a 100 grain head. So I shot a 92 grain heavier head and my pins set for 100 grain heads had me shooting in the bottom 1/4 of the blue face NFAA white area at 30 yards from a 270fps arrow. My normal speed is 292 fps with the 100 grain head. I see no reason now to shoot mechanicals for whitetails. I have been using this head for my recurve at the suggestion of several very successful trad hunters and they have been flawless!
@Mossberg590Mariner
@Mossberg590Mariner Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Great videos as per usual! @@LuskArcheryAdventures
@WalterMelons
@WalterMelons Жыл бұрын
When TOTA single bevel?
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I was just doing it, but they had a problem with the batch I'm testing. So I'm waiting for the new batch, coming in a few weeks.
@WalterMelons
@WalterMelons Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Wait what was the problem? The ones I received weren’t very sharp. Still had a burr on the flat sides and couldn’t cut magazine paper. Haven’t had the chance to touch them up.
@frankspataro9714
@frankspataro9714 Жыл бұрын
Its not simmons first day at this stuff lol
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
:)
@littlewoody5539
@littlewoody5539 Жыл бұрын
👍
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@shylerbecenti
@shylerbecenti Жыл бұрын
Show us how you can’t hunt all over being a pastor
@LuskArcheryAdventures
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean people let me hunt their land? Not that many, honestly.
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