Simon Jordan EXPLAINS How Rangers & Celtic CAN Play At The Highest Level Of English Football! 👀🤔

White & Jordan with Graeme Souness discuss Rangers and Celtic and if they would play at the highest level of English football.
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[@Rayhhh]

The fact wales have 4 clubs in England and two of the most iconic clubs in world football aren’t is crazy

[@kaidenhall2718]

Well because there is a Scottish premiership

[@icantthinkofacoolname1308]

​​@@kaidenhall2718But there isn't any point for Scotland to have its own league considering how bad the league quality is At the end of the day Scotland Wales England are on the same island so you might as well combine the football

[@linfieldaces1]

@@kaidenhall2718There’s a Welsh Premier League 🤷🏻‍♂️. A your going to reply the 4 Welsh clubs have outgrown or too good for said league. Rangers and Celtic have outgrown the SPL along time ago. Past 35 years plus no other clubs been near winning the SPL!

[@tevildo45]

@linfieldaces1 There was no welsh league when those clubs were founded. This is basic football knowledge

[@levelupboxing6681]

@@icantthinkofacoolname1308 Nope you might as well not. England has our own football, we don't need any non English clubs added to it.

[@_boracic_atreus_23]

Oh man..I would love to see the Old Firm competing in the English pyramid. Start them at the bottom, let them earn their place at the top table. They'd be in the Prem within 5-6 years. Imagine Celtic v Man United or Rangers v Arsenal on a Tuesday night. The value of the EPL would sky rocket.

[@kunimitsune177]

**PL* If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion. The value of the PL would be basically unaffected.

[@limedickandrew6016]

Start them in the Championship, in a season with 26 clubs. Four relegated and three promoted from League One (or three relegated and two promoted). Same the following season, only difference is you will start the season with 25 clubs. After two seasons it will be back to 24 clubs, and back to three up, three down from there on. Would love to see it. Three down, two up would probably be better for those two seasons seasons.

[@borderlands6606]

Man City were a third division club not so long ago, and lots of people can remember Man Utd in the second. Some even watched Liverpool in the second tier. These innovations are always a snapshot in time, designed to pull the drawbridge up to the benefit of current occupants of the castle.

[@Support-your-local-team]

@@kunimitsune177 You've made this point several times, but 90% of Nigels who talk about the Scottish Premiership incorrectly call it the SPL.

[@Dazfos]

If they wanted to join the English league then have to start in the tenth tier of English football, 9 divisions below the Premier League, like FC United did in 2005.

[@aidanlynn]

The biggest critics of Scottish football are always people who don’t even watch it.

[@Support-your-local-team]

Exactly. Any time I've ever had a discussion with someone from the my "nan could score 20 a season up there" brigade it becomes obvious they have zero knowledge of either the Scottish league or whatever lower English league they're comparing it to.

[@Phil_Mitchell]

I don't have to watch it to know it's rubbish like I don't have to watch Latvian football to know that either 😂

[@mrchico2621]

@@Support-your-local-team Lol you don't have to watch every damn game to get a feel for the standard. You can tell a lot from the level the players who move between the leagues play at. Tell me who from Celtic or Rangers would be a superstar in the EPL? And let's not even get started on the wee tinpot teams that make up the rest of the league 🤣

[@Support-your-local-team]

@@mrchico2621 Wtf is this? I never said you had to watch "every game", but it's preferable if you're going to give an opinion on something to have some basic knowledge. Who said any of them would be superstars? As for the "wee tinpot teams", any time I've ever challenged some Nigel on these claims that these clubs wouldn't even cope in this or that league, they've never even heard of a single player. Fans of the league could tell you all about half the frauds who appear from the English lower leagues and aren't good enough, EPL sofa fans surprisingly can't give examples.

[@mrchico2621]

@@Support-your-local-team I do have some basic knowledge though. I follow the Welsh players who ply their trade up there and the standard they're playing at most weeks is absolute pish, sorry 🤷‍♂

[@blehoo1]

Souness is spot on at the end - 100 thousand gates regularly at Parkhead and Ibrox if they were in the EPL. There is absolutely no doubt that would happen. Think about it for a moment. It is mind blowing for one city with a population of 600k to have two teams with that size of fan base.

[@michaelprendergast-xq7jo]

Celtic have a bigger fan base in Ireland and the North off Ireland combined dan in Glasgow.. and also celtic are huge in Australia America and other parts off Europe I'm not saying rangers are not but celtic is huge club massive it's sad the bang average players that play there fans deserve better quality but unfortunately untill they leave Scotland won't ever happen be the end off Scottish football if it does happen doh what do ya do stay or go its a tuff one 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🙌

[@skooby95]

⁠@@michaelprendergast-xq7joNot just Glasgow mate all over Scotland top to bottom, even the islands, dominated by Rangers and Celtic fans. I’m from Glasgow, my gran retired and moved to the Shetland Islands. Only 20k population. All of them supports one or the other. I’m a Rangers supporter, Rangers have more supporters clubs worldwide than Manchester United and Liverpool put together. Anywhere on Earth you will find one. There’s even one on Antartica. You don’t see Bournemouth with A North American Supporters Convention held in Vegas every year… and I believe Celtic have even more supporters clubs than Rangers 600+. Rangers gave Chelsea their first kits. Saved Arsenal from certain extinction. Aston Villa are modelled on Rangers. The Champions League was invented by a secretary at Rangers. The list goes on. I’m sure Celtic have their many historic stories story too. Almost mythical level. People don’t understand the magnitude.

[@michaelprendergast-xq7jo]

@@skooby95 2 huge clubs Scottish football is holding them back from being even bigger the money they'd get from it be crazy they could double the price off there tickets in the Premier league the 2 clubs would go to the next level there both massive world wide if they go Scottish football is fuvked they plsy Premier games in front off 4 and 6 thousand fans in some places that's not on terrible they get that on non league in England and here in Ireland we get them gates aswell it's time to move on don't think the Scottish FA will allow its there no money in Scottish football imagine they left be worse look at Swansea Wrexham and Cardiff and Newport all Welsh they are in England so should celtic and rangers my opinion

[@jakecook4816]

United can barely finish in the top 6 ffs. Rangers and Celtic would take a decade to even get there let alone get anywhere near being a regular top 6 team. Spurs arsenal Chelsea always a bigger draw cause they’re London

[@Derek-qu8qi]

@@jakecook4816they don’t need too 6 right away. It’s about being there, getting the money and building. It’s about wise recruitment rather than the scatter gun approach most epl clubs have. Newcastle are owned by a country and aren’t there. Spurs big signing was time Werner ffs. Van Dijk, Forster, Tierney, Frimpong, Wanyama, Dembele don’t leave Celtic in the EPL.

[@KristelEijffert]

Rangers and Celtic in the Premier League have more real supporters than the whole Prem league put together, born and bred

[@alanmoor615]

Only while there successful...

[@rangers7290]

@@alanmoor615rangers had crowds of 50 k in the third divison 😂 you don’t have a clue about the old firm or Scotland in general it’s not just a sport up here

[@Support-your-local-team]

Wonder how many Celtic and Rangers fans there are in Inverness and Dunfermline who put themselves in the "real supporter" category.

[@alanmoor615]

Look at footage of park head and ibrox when Aberdeen ruled Scottish football....

[@alanjohnston3648]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@JimReid-cb8lx]

Can St Mirren get a spot there too and £100M per season please? St Mirren v Real Madrid Champions League final would be really good.

[@limedickandrew6016]

St Mirren v Port Vale would be more realistic.

[@deltabravo9908]

Behave. 75% of the St Mirren home crowd are Rangers fans that can’t get a ticket for the Rangers game. Also Paisley is in Glasgow

[@mintfiction]

@@deltabravo9908 paisley is a town joined to Glasgow

[@aidanlynn]

St Mirren should concentrate on having their own club shop out front instead of Celtic’s.

[@TheHunsAreDugShite]

Get a map out you whalloper... Paisley is OUTSIDE of Glasgow in the RENFREWSHIRE area!! 😂

[@davedavey5]

Rangers and celtic have the biggest fan base in Britain and the scotch fans are much more visceral. Souness is spot on, you could have filled ibrox 5 times over for that game.

[@uskybear]

Well said. As a Celtic fan I agree. Btw it's Scottish not Scotch.

[@illyaedwards7188]

Man United have the biggest fan base in Britain

[@santoy1000]

​@@illyaedwards7188..actual fans, not folk who couldn't name three players in the team 👍

[@illyaedwards7188]

@@santoy1000 most Man United fans are from the south of England or from London, that's why there's so many of them.

[@davedavey5]

Man utd 😂 jeezy peeps man.

[@user-cc9jj7tu5y]

Definitely you would easily get 100,000 at Ibrox and Celtic park if we were down there maybe even more we were packing Hampden with 130,000+ regularly back in the day

[@ReeseJamPiece.]

Absolutely right about both Rangers and Celtic being able to fill 100,000 seater stadiums. The thing with those clubs is that there are fans from not just Glasgow, but the whole of Scotland - including Northern and Rep. Ireland, and all across the world from the US, Australia, South Africa, Germany, Japan, Korea, China, Indonesia, The Netherlands. 100,000 EZ PZ.

[@jagmaharesi2486]

I'm Indonesian and we don't have many tims or huns down here lol

[@deedeec1306]

Celtic have plenty of supporters in Asia.. Especially Japan, Korea and Thailand.

[@ReeseJamPiece.]

@@jagmaharesi2486 Giovanni van Bronckhorst and Michael Mols are half Indonesian.

[@jagmaharesi2486]

@@ReeseJamPiece. I'm well aware of that. But still there's only a small amount of Celtic & Rangers fan over here

[@robbuchanan3702]

I Live In Canada and we have 22 official Rangers supporters clubs. Man UNT have 5 Liverpool have 6 Man city have 2 and Arsenal have 12 we have almost equal as the top 4 English Premiership clubs combined. Rangers AND Celtic would knock off too many clubs from their perch !!! Thats why they will never get into the English Premiership.

[@celticfan67]

If Celtic and Rangers were in the Premier League we would be pushing top four in 4-5 years, simple as that. With the money and resources we would gain at our disposal and consistent competitive football at that level we would become a force. Not only that, you could build the stadiums 100,000 plus and they would sell out every game no bother! Imagine the players we could attract… 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🌟

[@jamesthepeacock1919]

do you think rangers and celtic fans would like being in the premier league or stay in Scotland?

[@Ptnbf]

Why should they be allowed to play in the EPL? As far as football is concerned Scotland is a completely different country to England. They have as much chance of playing in the German league

[@bobsocks7575]

Well. Newcastle with all of their support and now huge investment on top of the EPL money can’t do it, neither can Utd consistently, so I don’t think it would be that easy for either of them.

[@LeedsUnited19]

@@Ptnbftell that to the welsh teams who are competing in England

[@scotthiggins112]

@@PtnbfWales is a different country too, but they have clubs playing in English football. I’m a Man Utd fan but I have to agree with what some of the others are saying, the fan base the old firm have is huge and would only get bigger with the exposure of playing in the Championship or premier league.

[@ScottInglis-vy4in]

Rangers and celtic would bring back real passionate fans back to the epl something thats lacking there at the moment. I was at the game on sunday and theres nothing like it

[@gumbo7215]

Bullshit

[@MalTimeTV]

Christ, if I end up looking as dandy and fit as Graham Souness at 70, I'll be a happy man.

[@davidevans916]

I know right! Very impressive.

[@roxammon5858]

You would also fill a lot of premier league stadia were they to be extended to 100,000. Just look at the waiting lists for season tickets at the bigger English teams. Even my own team, Villa, although only 42,000, have a season ticket waiting list of well over 30,000. The problem is one of getting fans in and out of the area at the end of the games.

[@rydomac]

Aston Villa were modelled on Rangers Football Club😂did you know that? They literally birthed your football club. I know that has nothing to do with the point you made I wanted to say it anyway lol. The Gers were packing 100k crowds before Villa existed. They would make it happen.

[@russrua2937]

At last some sense.......the top two in the Scottish Premiership, should be promoted to the English league, it would benefit many, including the national side.

[@DamnedDave]

They belong in Scotland !

[@rorysmith2415]

It would not benefit the national side. People would wrongly think Scotland was part of England if our clubs played in the EPL. Just have more cross-border cups on top of domestic football

[@thomasstenson3706]

I was living in Germany fir 2 years (Wuppertal) and when i was in Köln, Düsseldorf, Berlin etc....i saw some rangers and celtic jerseys (not everytime i was there ) alomg with obviously real and barca (inter miamo fir obvious reason) i saw no EPL jersey's at all...simon is spot on those two clubs are absolutely HUGE worldwde just unfortunate to where they play

[@raphaelkavanagh6950]

Celtic football club has a worldwide fanbase. Possibly would only apply to a couple oof EPl clubs. Sky would be falling over themselves to get Celtic on board competing in a big league with the dosh on offer.

[@johntate5050]

No one turned out to watch you against Sydney

[@drew2324]

Can't even bring urself to mention the name of rangers.

[@santoy1000]

​@@drew2324cause he's no talking bout them duh

[@drew2324]

@@santoy1000 the article is about both teams. Duh.

[@andy6588]

Sky would, but the English FA would NEVER let a Scottish team even think about winning the EPL. Which they would be able to do eventually with the resources.

[@coeurdelion484]

The worst thing for Scotland is the gap between English prem and the spl is getting bigger every year imagine what it’ll be like in another 20 years

[@gumbo7215]

So what?

[@coeurdelion484]

@@gumbo7215 it’s not fun constantly laughing at the jocks! It gets boring after a while

[@wallycustard1281]

@@coeurdelion484 The English aren't responsible for the Scottish league. I doubt they'd help the English if the boot were on the other foot.

[@rorysmith2415]

​@@wallycustard1281 the Scots help the Northern Irish and Welsh by inviting in two sides from each into the Scottish Challenge Cup each year. I do not support merging the leagues, just cross border cups.

[@chrisww2308]

Well said men 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 If Rangers and Celtic got that ££ they would be competing in the Prem

[@johntate5050]

If you were big clubs with massive fanbases you'd already be getting billions because Sky would invest....but they don't

[@Michael-eb8fo]

3 of your biggest clubs are state owned and one was an oligard where they and what did they win before that money give Rangers or Celtic a multi billion pound owner and put them in the league both teams have a waiting list of around 15,000 for season tickets aswell as the already 48&53 thousand they already they compete

[@santoy1000]

​@@johntate5050your not really getting it are you lol

[@conner1260]

If Aberdeen and Hearts got the ££ they could compete in the prem too

[@gumbo7215]

@@Michael-eb8fo calm down ladies. Celtic can't fill their ground and Rangers can't beat Ross County.

[@matthewhilton986]

Totally agree with the all that simon jim and graeme have said about rangers and celtic they would challenge in england if and i say if they got man citys money or the big cash you get in premiership sadly they are stuck in a league that cant bring in cash or a major competition

[@gumbo7215]

The thing they forget is that the Spanish have a 2 club league as do the Germans and La Liga and the Bundesliga are in the top 4 biggest leagues in Europe along with the EPL & Serie A. So if Celtic & rangers were as big as their fans claim and they had this massive global fanbase, they'd already have a massive league. They wouldn't need the English. But their imaginary global fanbase doesn't exist. If it did Sky would be pumping billions into the SPL because the return from the global fanbase wanting to pay to watch the SPL would be colossal. But it doesn't happen because Celtic & Rangers are only big in Scotland.

[@gumbo7215]

Rangers can't even beat Ross County despite having 100 times their finances

[@campbell3711]

James Hill, Bournemouth, and Humphries Wigan played in Scotland and both said they were shocked at how good Scottish football is and Hearts would compete in the English championship so to say Celtic and Rangers wouldn't compete is ridiculous and is typical English arrogance

[@jonnyhull7860]

I would love to see it being a villa fan and celtic fan ,cant stand rangers but there a massive club ,if both were in the prem it would make the prem better ,start them both in l2 in my opinion and let them climb the leagues ,or form a premiership 2 and put them in that then have the other leagues like l1,l2,conference

[@rorysmith2415]

Scotland is not a county of England. A better idea is to keep the domestic and European football, but have cross border cups on top of European and domestic footy.

[@shielsy1]

You can only support one football club

[@jonnyhull7860]

​@@shielsy1different countrys is different ,cant support 2 teams from same country ,im villa,barca,dortmund,juve, Feyernord ,strasborg,celtic seem them all play at there home grounds and have shirts

[@Thefighterlife]

A British/irish premier league top 4 or 5 fae each league get put in it, champions fae each get promoted so 3 or 4 go down and up European places though thats an issue 🤔😂 or some sort of British cup similar to the scottish cup and the fa cup, bit rivalry be good 👍🏻

[@rorysmith2415]

I would prefer cross border cups to a British and Irish league. We should have the best of both worlds where we keep our own leagues but have cross-border cups on top of domestic and European footy. Like bring back the Anglo Scottish Cup.

[@Thefighterlife]

@@rorysmith2415 agreed, be good if they brought that back

[@rorysmith2415]

​@@Thefighterlifethanks.

[@sgmck-rf4dz]

With the wages celtic and rangers pay for top players if in the epl would price the scottish support out of the game, then you have man u chelsea not even aston villa are in the champions league do you think celtic and rangers would want to miss out on that yr in yr out

[@lfcspectre4335]

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[@sammybeck4855]

Sir Simon and Sir Spectre = Top LADS Proper Clobber

[@lfcspectre4335]

@@sammybeck4855 Sir Sammy Beck = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

[@charlesscottkelly]

Get us both in. Even the 1st division would do, for a change and a new challenge for both teams

[@rorysmith2415]

No way. Scotland is not a county of England. The better option is more cross border cups on top of domestic and European football.

[@shielsy1]

No chance 😂

[@overthewebb]

@@rorysmith2415 How do you explain Welsh teams in the English leagues then?

[@gumbo7215]

@@overthewebb You're clearly a plastic fan. The Welsh clubs were invited to play in the English league system when the leagues were founded. This was because there wasn't a professional Welsh league. They didn't abandon a welsh league to join the English league which celtic and rangers fans are begging the English to let them do.

[@rorysmith2415]

😊​@@overthewebbloads of people think Wales and Scotland are part of England and having Scottish sides in the English league would simply add to the confusion. I do not want people thinking Scotland is a county of England. The Welsh teams playing in the English leagues confuses people into thinking Wales is part of England. The Welsh can do what they want. But I do not want that for Scotland.

[@England.123.N.U.F.C.]

Would love to see them both in the Premier but it would mean the end of Scottish football.they won't have more money than Newcastle so how would they do?

[@overthewebb]

It's not about having more money as an owner as you as a Newcastle fan would know. You are the richest, but cannot spend, which I think is wrong btw. The clubs did this to stop other clubs taking their places like Man city. Rangers and Celtic would generate more money naturally and thus fit into FFP rules due to fanbase, so could spend more

[@theLowestPointInMyLife]

Sky could just give more money to Scotland to prop up the league, you know like they did with England.

[@RedSaint]

But theres only 2 clubs worth anything there.

[@philmac8201]

problem is doncaster the spfl chairman and the spfl he hasnt put the contract for tv rights out to anyone and just accepts skys lowest offers while taking a massive salary

[@marley6772]

see if sky invested they would see a return

[@philmac8201]

@@marley6772 that depends as i dont think so at the moment due to the people incharge at the spfl the current chairman doncaster makes the salary of a small club as his wage and knowing him he wont make any changes look what the scottish governement wanted to do with investment and restructing the leagues doncaster was the chairman that voted against it with a small amount of member clubs and he used his veto power to keep it the same . the problems go deeper than investment in scottish football you need rid of the self interested chairmen at clubs and the self serving corrupt people incharge of scottish football that dont want change due to them getting 4 garenteed large paydays when they play the old firm plays

[@RedSaint]

@@marley6772 they have tried and it hasnt worked. The SPL peaked back when Larsson and Nakamura were at Celtic and Rangers had their ridiculously good team in the 2000's.

[@dazblue5515]

If they wanted to join, then by all means - but they'd have to start at the bottom rung, otherwise it isn't fair to the teams already in the English Football pyramid. That would also mean no European football for a good few years - so big drop in finances coming in. And losing them would mean the SPL would suffer, losing lucrative TV money and sponsorship for a start.

[@philmac8201]

it would take 20 years for the old firm to enter the league from the bottom rung about 30 years ago the old firm were invited to join at the championship level but clubs vetoed it in england and scotland over compensation to the leagues and the clubs that would get relegated if they had joined

[@jimgilchrist2586]

They could keep a team in the spl, they would still win it.

[@philmac8201]

@@jimgilchrist2586 the old firm could keep there under 21sts or a b team and win it but uefa and the governing bodies wouldnt allow that due to league registration

[@danielmcgalpine5310]

Well said Simon from.south africa ..u can be sure give rangers and celtic the same money as in England TOP 4 HERE WE COME And they could put 100 .000 in every game if I am.correct celtic have a waiting list for season ticket that unbelieveable hail hail

[@philmac8201]

both rangers and celtic have waiting lists for over 70k people on each side of the old firm and people forget how massive both rangers and celtic are world wide rangers or celtic could play a friendly anywhere in the world and it would sellout due to how many fans they have

[@danielmcgalpine5310]

@@philmac8201 thanks for your reply 100% agree with u hail hail

[@philmac8201]

@@danielmcgalpine5310 i m a rangers fan and agree with you people outside of the old firm dont realise how massive the clubs are :)

[@LofiSL-yp8ku]

Yasssss Simon! Tell it like it is.

[@Chazthefurr]

Why is the money SO different in Scotland? Is it mainly TV revenue? Its a huge disparity. But from time to time a Scottish team is assembled that is really a class above what it would be normally and often there are some great signings of topclass players up here or players who go on to be top players. But hey there might come a time when fans in England won't pay the big money to go to the grounds, especially if the football style becomes more slow and boring for a lot of the 90minutes. Highlights shows often mask the true nature of some 90 mins of possession football. Of course there are some brilliant players and brilliant games too. Scottish football periodically gets recognised down south when a Scottish team has a run of success in Europe. Anyway I reckon most Scottish fans prefer to travel within Scotland and keep English (and continental) games for those European competitions.

[@Jean428]

Mainly TV revenue and a lot of that is because the rest of the league outside of rangers and celtic is of a very poor standard, also the SPL is god awful at running the league in terms of revenue. And our population is pretty small for a league. For some reason the SPL always seem to go for the safest/longest but lowest paying deals. Rangers often have tried to petition for change but most of the rest of the teams go against us just because they dislike us, even when we're making a good point. It's very tinpot and bitter, sadly, but no doubt Rangers will keep trying to push for changes

[@garymacdonald7165]

Yes,Celtic/Rangers get £3 miilion/year, rentford/Bournemouth get £100million/year!

[@ScruffySandra]

Souness living in Bournemouth! That is a different world compared to some grey one horse Scottish town!

[@drew2324]

What do u mean ?

[@drew2324]

We should think about how if either of the old firm entered the english premiership then there would be ppl falling over themsekves to invest in them. Who wouldnt want to be part of the first Scottish clubs that go down there and seriously have a chance to win it. It would be massive for everyone involved.

[@rorysmith2415]

NO WAY. PEOPLE WOULD WRONGLY THINK SCOTLAND WAS A COUNTY OF ENGLAND. Let's just have more cross border cups on top of domestic and European football.

[@RyanFallaize-df5ff]

Most people already do lol who knows Scotland anyway hahahaha

[@Derek-qu8qi]

Did anyone criticising Sundays game watch the Liverpool/Man City game, or the Man City/Arsenal game recently? The quality on display in the premier league isn’t that great. A lot of the games are boring. Manyoo and Chelsea are really poor sides right now, so those matches get goals due to being uttered with defensive errors.

[@robbiethepict2783]

Maybe in the 90's when they had the players like Larson, Laudrup and Gazza.

[@dmore]

That's the point about the money. Rangers and Celtic are easily as big or bigger clubs then the majority of Premier League clubs when you factory in their history, fan bases and stadiums. If you were to give them access the the same money as Premiership clubs, they would immediately be completing for players. Celtic Park & Ibrox are the 5th & 9th biggest club stadiums in the UK as things stand. Both have waiting lists for season ticket holders so with EPL cash they'd grow even larger. At first they'd probably be hitter lower mid table... but it wouldn't be long until they started to build their squads and be competing for European places. That's why it'll never happen. English clubs don't need nor want that level of competition.

[@marley6772]

thats just it money has taken over the game to the point players like that wont be at teams like celtic or rangers because anyone with a bit more cash will sweep them up as its all became business and not the peoples game

[@dmore]

@@marley6772 Yeah but the point we're making is, given their size, history and fan bases, Rangers and Celtic could become those teams with the 'bit more money', other than City, Newcastle and Utd who basically have bottomless pits.

[@gumbo7215]

@@dmore Ross County 3 - Rangers 2. And that's with Rangers having 100 times the financial clout of Ross County. Imagine Rangers without that advantage in a league inhabited by Liverpool, City, United, Villa, Spurs, Arsenal, newcastle etc. You'd be relegation fodder.

[@gumbo7215]

@@dmore If celtic and Rangers had this 'massive fanbase' they'd already have the massive money because it comes from fans subscribing to Sky. Sky don't generate the money, the clubs do.

[@Foo-oo-oo-oolsGold89]

People outside of Scotland dont have a clue how hard it is for a snall nation to have a strong league. We dont have millions pumped into.our game. We dont care what outsiders think. We cant help th3 cards we have been dealt.

[@borderlands6606]

Geography is a problem for Scottish football. Lots of clubs in the central belt, with a low population in the borders and Highlands. I watch Scottish League highlights every week because it reminds me of how English football used to be. Even so, you can't attract talent on the gate money of two or three hundred fans and bar receipts.

[@user-bm8sn5ml9j]

Scotland per head of population is one of the best supported leagues in Europe. True Story.

[@overthewebb]

@@user-bm8sn5ml9jit's not one of the best, it's the biggest and best supported in Europe per capita for attendances. It's one of the biggest in the world

[@gumbo7215]

@@overthewebb You're deluding yourself. The SPL stadiums are tiny yet still half empty. you need to stop pressing your faces up against the window of the English league. England's population is 60 million, Scotland's is 5 million. There are 10 million people in London alone ffs. There just isn't the population in Scotland to support a big league. By comparing the Scottish league to the English league is madness. You really need to be looking at Norway, Denmark and Belgium for a realistic target.

[@scottswankie1119]

If rangers got the tv money English clubs got they would challenge for the premier league titles, plus they could fill every stadium in England every other week

[@burnaardnufc3173]

Newcastle have had all those advantages for years, and we're nowhere near the title.

[@johntate5050]

man Utd struggling, Chelsea struggling, Newcastle struggling, Everton desperate, Leeds not even in it yet you think Celtic and Rangers would just walk in and be competitive. You're lack of football knowledge is only matched by your delusion

[@Michael-eb8fo]

All those clubs you mentioned have bad owners right owners and it’s different

[@santoy1000]

​@@burnaardnufc3173newcastle have nowhere near the fan base of those two clubs though mate

[@conner1260]

@@johntate5050They must be big clubs considering you are in every single comment sections that mentions their names

[@ianfitton9400]

and that in a nutshell is why they will more than likely never be allowed in english football,can you imagine how bad it would look if it happened and they are both contenders for the premier league title as scottish teams(now before anybody says no chance,just listen to what was said in this video) as given time to build and benefit financially from being in a more profitable and attractive league,not to mention potential investments or takeover opportunities,it is not out of the question for either rangers or celtic to be in contention if not champions within 10 years,city managed it in 4 after being taken over!

[@MightyRoos]

The whole point of the argument is Celtic and Rangers would have access to bigger financial resources if they were in the Premier League which means could compete at the top end in the transfer market. In 5 years if they get recruiting right could win the premier league.

[@wallycustard1281]

So why don't man united win it every season?

[@noghd2560]

Celtic and Rangers would be top 10 in EPL pretty much overnight.

[@johntate5050]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!🤣

[@rorysmith2415]

I do not want the Old Firm to join the EPL, as people would think Scotland was in England. I would prefer cross border cups on top of domestic and Euripean footy. Bring back the Anglo Scottish Cup. Merge the League Cups.

[@johntate5050]

@@rorysmith2415 Why would the English want that ffs? I can't see Man United fans dreaming about a midweek clash with East Fife.

[@gumbo7215]

Ross County 3 - Rangers 2 despite Rangers having 100 times the finances of Ross County yet you think Rangers and celtic would win the EPL title on a level playing field? No wonder the English laugh at you.

[@rorysmith2415]

​@johntate5050 so should English League One and League Two teams be banned from the English FA Cup and English League Cup on that logic? I do not see any difference in glamour for Man Utd fans in Man Utd playing East Fife, or a good club like Tranmere Rovers. What difference is there? Having a cross border cup trophy would do no harm to English footy. So why not have cross border cups? It is not as if Man Utd play Real Madrid every week in the cup.

[@Shauny121]

Yeah they need to do away with the spl and look at putting Celtic and rangers into the English leagues much similar to Cardiff and Swansea..

[@rorysmith2415]

No way Scotland IS NOT in England. Why can't we have the best of both worlds, and have cross border cups on top of domestic and European football?

[@conner1260]

Even without the old firm, Scottish clubs are still in the top 5 more supported clubs per capita in Europe. You can’t just “do away” with that

[@Derek-qu8qi]

Celtics first goal was due a phenomenal press. If any of the top 4 in the epl did that, sky would be racing about how good it was. Ok, the block could’ve gone anywhere, but the press caused the defensive mistakes. The THREE players that made mistakes are English, so that must prove English football is bad.

[@Ptnbf]

Stop this nonsense now. I am in my forties and I remember I was about twelve when I first heard this talk. The football authorities will NEVER allow this to happen.

[@charleskearney8475]

Of course we are talking in hypotheticals. But if it did happen........

[@TheMadFerrit]

It's not the authorities.....it's the English clubs. They're terrified.

[@gumbo7215]

@@TheMadFerrit rangers 1 - Liverpool 7. yeah they're absolutely shitting themselves aren't they? 🤣

[@BB-ju8bo]

Well said boys, money talks, 2 of the best fan bases in the uk and that will never change. Keep the money its ruining the game anyway.

[@gumbo7215]

Oh the irony. celtic have been buying the Scottish title for the past 100 years. Give St mirren an equal share and let's see how many you win.

[@BB-ju8bo]

@gumbo7215 comes down to the fan bases celtic make more money due to having a bigger fan base selling more tickets, merchandise etc. There's levels to it you've got english clubs with no fan base getting mad money from broadcaster celtic earn their money and have done very well buying cheap and selling for big profits.

[@gumbo7215]

@@BB-ju8bo So are you going to keep crying and feeling sorry for yourself because clubs like Bournemouth and Luton get more money than celtic? Is there anything you Jocks don't blame the English for?

[@BB-ju8bo]

@gumbo7215 whos crying? Who mentioned the ENGLISH 😂 so up yourself it's unreal a actually like luton proper old school football ground and punching well above their weight. Don't like guys like you who think the world evolves around them and their country. Its the fake teams who break the rules and buy titles with tourist fans that are ruining the game. Go to a celtic or rangers game and see what real passion looks and feels like.

[@rorysmith2415]

​@@gumbo7215Scotland does not blame England for everything.

[@scottking869]

Nah players wont be moving up north tho no matter how much money. The weather would play a massive part in that

[@rangers7290]

If rangers and Celtic did eventually join the prem and got the same riches as everyone else the whole nation of England would be shocked by how easily we would compete for titles after 5 years, Graeme was spot on at the end about the 100 k stadiums old firms support and passion outweighs every English club combined

[@shielsy1]

You’ve no clue how ffp works 🤦‍♂️

[@overthewebb]

@@shielsy1 FFP doesn't affect stadium and fanbase money, both have huge fanbases. Not tourist fanbases. So that would be allowed under FFP with stadia etc

[@gumbo7215]

Ross County 3 - Rangers 2 despite Rangers having 100 times the financial clout of Ross. And here you are claiming Rangers would easily win the English prem on a level financial playing field. And you wonder why the English take the piss out of you. Honestly I've never known any fans as deluded as Celtic & rangers.

[@gumbo7215]

@@overthewebb So tell me why a Rangers fan in South Africa is a genuine fan but a City fan in Japan is plastic.

[@adamzapple67]

Maybe we should ask the question, if the Scottish Prem was the biggest league in the world and the EPL was a 2 horse race, would English hating Celtic (a club who sing pro IRA chants, songs mocking the murder of Lee Rigby and boo the minute's silence) invite two English clubs into their league?

[@jmac575]

Yes imagine travelling down to London for a game on a cold wet Tuesday night to witness a 4-0 hammering, then having old firm games that are mid table clashes, a cup run maybe every 5-6 years, playing the cup final at Wembley and going decades without winning a league. The 100k crowd would soon become a 10k crowd

[@gregnichol8290]

You honestly think with the size of the fan bases, turnover they have in Scotland that major investment wouldn't be thrown at them. The investment would be colossal because both are real clubs with real potential. Honestly think the English wouldn't want it simply because they would be scared of two Scottish teams making up half their champions league spots

[@shielsy1]

@@gregnichol8290 Beyond delusional 😂

[@gregnichol8290]

@shielsy1 how so ? You think both celtic and rangers wouldn't be top attractions in the Premier league ? Both have bigger fan bases and stadiums than 95% of the current epl teams

[@shielsy1]

Study ffp and how it works, look at both of the Glasgow teams calculate how far they’re behind the top 6 financially already, then work out how much it would take to buy a new full squad because none of their players would be able to play consistently at that level. In that period the top 6 plus Chelsea, Newcastle etc are still increasing their revenue and quality. 🤷‍♂️

[@gregnichol8290]

@shielsy1 their ability to offset ffp rules is greater than most premier league teams due to the size of the fanbases, worldwide merchandise sales which would obviously increase exponentially more with investment and added excitement of being involved in the PL. obviously it would take a few years for any team to build a squad capable of winning the PL but there if they were in the PL they are as well equipped as any club there to build. How many season ticket holders does you average PL club have ? How many supporters clubs worldwide does the average PL club have ? Now look at the old firm, the numbers are far greater, they are both proper football clubs

[@Kevster-dp7tt]

Celtic & Rangers have no competition in the SPL. They wouldn't replicate their Scottish success in England and I wonder how the fans would react when they're not qualifying for Europe. I'm not saying they couldn't qualify but if Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal have seasons when they fail to qualify i guarantee Celtic and Rangers would. Their fans are so used to winning everything I'm not sure they could handle being in a big pond with bigger fish with bigger teeth. We see how Celtic fans react when they lose a few games. they have a total meltdown. The English prem is very very difficult to win. You don't just walk in and become competitive and no club stays at the top. Chelsea were once top dogs and they're way off the pace, United are lagging behind and clubs like Spurs and Newcastle spend mega bucks but can't get near the title. it's not as easy as Celtic & rangers fans think. Winning in Scotland with 100 times the spending power of your rivals is not the same as winning the title in the biggest league in the world on a level playing field. And fanbase has jack schitt to do with how good you are. If that were the case Man Utd would win the title every year and Liverpool would be runners up every year followed by Arsenal and clubs like Fulham and Bournemouth would never be above Leeds, Everton and Forest.

[@eazyanimation]

My regular question, when these ideas come up. R or C go 6 years no titles it would be absolute carnage and terrible. no one is excited to be in the champions league as they know it's just a bit of fun and winning trophies is what matters at a winning club. If you're not in with a chance of winning then the fans have to accept it and no one at R or C would accept it

[@LiONKiNGxABCx]

With English football income they would win titles , before money run football Celtic won the European Cup before any English side did. Put them on the same income and they would both compete for titles in England

[@eazyanimation]

@@LiONKiNGxABCx nice thought but 30 years for Liverpool, 20 years for Arsenal, 11 for Man United. Not that easy. Why the super league would also never work, people won't wait decades for success

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

Realistically speaking. I can definitely see Rangers and Celtic winning the EFL Championship. 🌚🌝

[@rorysmith2415]

Pan Great Britain Cups With Other Nations. I would love us to have Pan-Great Britain Cups on top of European and domestic football. I do not support a British league and I do not support the Old Firm joining the English Leagues, as everyone would wrongly think Scotland was part of England. AND also all the Scottish trophies would be relegated to the status of lower tier trophies, while all the English trophies would be seen as forerunners of the British tier one trophies. A better idea is to have Pan Great Britain Cups on top of European and domestic football. The Scots already have Welsh and Northern Irish club sides in the Scottish Challenge Cup. I would support Pan-Great Britain Cups on top of league football all the way down the levels at men's and women's football. 1. Bring back the Anglo Scottish Cup. 2. Invite all Scottish Premiership sides, and selected Welsh Cymru Premier sides into the Football League Trophy. Plus perhaps sides from the Netherlands, North West France and Belgium. 3. Invite all Scottish Championship sides, and all Welsh Cymru Premier sides into the FA Trophy. And perhaps some North Western French non-league sides. 4. Invite selected Scottish, Irish, French, Danish, Belgian, Dutch, Polish, Swiss, and German sides as guests in the English FA Cup and English League Cup. 5. A Celtic Nations Club Cup. A cup with Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Republic of Ireland, Isle of Man, Cornish, Yorkshire. Breton, and Cumbrian Club sides. 6. A North Atlantic League Cup of the leading club sides from European nations such as Scotland, Wales, England, Ireland. France, Germany, Poland, Switzerland ,Greece, Iceland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Portugal, or Norway. Plus perhaps sides from North Africa, South America, Saudi Arabia, South America, Asia. I would love cross border games but not too many. The Scots, Welsh, and Irish travel to Central Asia in UEFA trophies. In rugby the Scottish, Irish, and Welsh travel in Club rugby to South Africa and Italy. 30 trips a year to England is too much for Scottish sides. But 6 to 7 times a year would be a highlight of the season.

[@leereason9803]

I wouldn't mind seeing scottish clubs in the fa cup I think it would boost the fa Cups dying status

[@SuperHero3]

Merge the League Cup and Scottish League Cup.

[@rorysmith2415]

Good idea. Also maybe invite Welsh and Irish sides. Bring back the Anglo Scottish Cup.

[@jackbland3406]

I think there is 6 clubs that could fill a 100k stadium in British football, celtic, rangers, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle and man utd. If all them was in the same league at the same time the games and atmosphere would be insane and great competition I'd be all for it

[@Freestyla-]

Arsenal? how'd you miss such an obvious one.

[@Austgoon777]

Arsenal too

[@kaidenhall2718]

Arsenal literally used to play European games in Wembley

[@burnaardnufc3173]

​@@Freestyla- Arsenal supporters are not English though.

[@labos7250]

Rangers and Celtic would not fill 100k stadiums. They can hardly fill their current stadiums unless it’s a derby or a European night.

[@user-lb4hw7de3i]

I would love to see Celtic and rangers in premier league they would explode on the field they are clubs with a extra player on the field and that's the fans most unique fans in the world but sadly the English fans been in Glasgow would cost to much money to polices that's the only problem for both club would be impossible to police or if we to experiment I think merging the spl into the fa cup so remove english lower league teams and replace them with the scottish premier League teams see if Celtic and rangers can get to final also gives Scottish teams a extra champions league spot if they win

[@Brown87]

Rangers are the third most supported British team worldwide (behind United and Liverpool) with the green 30% of Glasgow also being in the top ten 🇬🇧

[@gumbo7215]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Comedy gold 🤣

[@Brown87]

@@gumbo7215 The truth is often amusing 😌

[@wallycustard1281]

The latest data (copied & pasted) of best selling shirts. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea all in the top 10 but no sign of Celtic or Rangers. Show me some proof that Celtic and Rangers sell more than the English clubs. Top 10 European clubs for revenue from jersey and merchandise sales 1. Barcelona - €179m 2. Real Madrid - €155m 3. Bayern Munich - €147m 4. Liverpool - €132m 5. Manchester United - €130m 6. PSG - €97m 7. Arsenal - €89m 8. Chelsea - €87m 9. Juventus - €74m 10. Tottenham - €74m (Data from the UEFA Financial Report

[@Brown87]

@@wallycustard1281 I just did a Google search for revenue brought in, purely through club merchandise, and although I found some conflicting information, the top 10 best selling clubs were generally the same 🇬🇧 United, Liverpool, Rangers, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Celtic, Newcastle and Everton ⚽

[@freddiefreeman4119]

They wouldn’t compete without breaking PSR rules as they stand

[@shielsy1]

They don’t have the brains to get that, they’d both have to buy a completely new squad, plus they have no sellable assets.

[@Engineer96565]

“The British Premier League”

[@alistairmcintyre3487]

the English would not want the bile that comes with the bigot brothers

[@kyogo1573]

Celtic and rangers would both be mid table prem and absolutely dominate the championship

[@Argyll1000]

Graeme Souness "we had half the English team" yeah but on wages ruled illegal by tax avoidance. Anyway that was a different club wasn't it?

[@SirOrganic]

Honestly I’d rather keep the fans we have, then get the tourists that fill the stadiums in the English game.

[@gumbo7215]

All 30k of your home support or are you including the 30k empty green seats that turn up at every home game?

[@andy6588]

Despite Celtic and Ranger being a MASSIVE cash cow, they would draw billions more cash into the league EPL, the English FA would never ever allow a Scottish Team to win the EPL, which either would be capable of doing if they had the same resources as say Bournemouth.

[@mac-vl4ib]

Don't want there hatred and bile keep them were they are

[@123macks]

Mind when the champion league started rangers were only British team in it 🤔🤔pumped the English league champion to get in it leeds the last English manager to win the premier league 🤔🤔

[@skooby95]

A secretary at Rangers invented the Champions League

[@123macks]

@@skooby95 Ano m8

[@johntate5050]

Rangers 1 - Liverpool 7 🤣

[@Michael-eb8fo]

Remember why there was no money and European football where did half your England squad play

[@123macks]

@@johntate5050 ahahah pumped 😂😂

[@icantthinkofacoolname1308]

Yes and no I mean people should consider the alternate reality if Celtic and Rangers were to have join the prem Because historically Celtic and rangers are big club and with the money and exposure they will get by being in the prem they could buy better players and also the old firm would be more popular worldwide

[@rorysmith2415]

I am Scottish. Scotland is not a county of England. I do not want the Old Firm to join the English leagues. A better idea would be.more cross border cups.

[@andyhello23]

Even though i gave up watching arsenal in 2002, and do not watch football anymore, i would start again if celtic ever got to play against the teams south of the border Celtic are a sleeping giant Anyone with green in there veins would welcome celtic playing against bigger opposition, and in a bigger league The only thing that would make me watch football again, is if celtic got to play against teams south of the border.

[@wealdstoneraider5364]

The English don't want IRA/Hamas supporting fans who sing about the murder of Lee Rigby. I doubt the EPL would want the baggage of the Celtic Boys Club abuse scandal either. Let them rot in the farmers league.

[@BashingOnesBishop-nu3ec]

pmsl @ all the jocks getting excited because they thrashed out a draw in front of a rare capacity crowd.

[@martinhogg5337]

Ibrox is at capacity every home game!

[@gumbo7215]

@@martinhogg5337 Celtic Park isn't and neither are any of the other SPL grounds, that means the Ibrox full house was a rarity. .

[@CJMVector321190]

Would you not have to have a Great british league structure then. Not to be disrespectful to Scottish teams but removing Celtic and Rangers would remove all TV and worldwide viewers.

[@labos7250]

Man U haven’t won the league in 11 years, Liverpool 1 in 33 could be 34 if they don’t do it this season and Simon thinks rangers and Celtic would be at the top. They’re no bigger than villa, Newcastle etc

[@willnestor6422]

Lmao... How many Rangers and Celtic shirts do you see people wearing abroad when you're on holiday? Never seen a single person wearing a villa though....

[@labos7250]

@@willnestor6422 I’ve never seen a rangers or Celtic shirt abroad in my life. Tbh it’s not something I would be looking out for because I don’t care about them.

[@burnaardnufc3173]

​@@willnestor6422 The Scotch footie shirts are worn by Scotch tourists mate.

[@willnestor6422]

@@labos7250 Go to Benidorm, Tenerife, Majorca, Greece, Turkey etc etc... You'll see man Utd, Liverpool, Rangers, Celtic supporters. Never once Villa. Go to any city in the UK, Aussie even US and there's Rangers and Celtics bars... You're not gonna get a Villa or Newcastle bar unless you're in their own City.... The fact you don't care about them shows your ignorance on the scope of their fanbase.

[@willnestor6422]

@@burnaardnufc3173 I'm English and support them so no that's not true. Go to US or Aussie and you'll find fan clubs and bars everywhere. The town I live in has at least 2 Rangers bars and we're the south of England..... Cleary don't know what you're talking about. The point still stands with the fact you will see their supporters worldwide Scottish or otherwise. Both Rangers and Celtic if they joined the English leagues and received the same money that they do would be massive clubs. They might not be winning the league but they'd be working their way up there.

[@user-yj2od2od8m]

You do know that Scottish football would collapse without Celtic and Rangers. The small amount of tv money they get is all because of those clubs and the rest would go bust without them. I love how they mention financially rewarding English clubs for them to move but conveniently forget about the rest of Scotland

[@Support-your-local-team]

How do all the leagues in countries with no team the size of Hibs and Hearts never mind Celtic or Rangers continue to exist without "going bust"?

[@user-yj2od2od8m]

@@Support-your-local-team do you seriously see sky paying the contract they do now to watch Hearts and Hibs

[@TheTechnoBros100]

@@user-yj2od2od8m the sky money every other club gets is minimal anyway. scottish clubs dont depend on sky money, they depend on ticket sales etc

[@Support-your-local-team]

@@user-yj2od2od8m Did I say they would? You said the clubs would all go bust. How come in less well off leagues than Scotland there are functioning clubs? We heard this nonsense when they were trying to put Newco Rangers straight back into the top flight. All the clubs were going to go bust without the blue pound. By the time they got promoted after four years in the lower leagues, no clubs had gone bust.

[@overthewebb]

@@Support-your-local-team Clubs had collapsed though, Hearts and Hibs got relegated and other teams struggled massively due to it. Rangers going out the league hugely damged the league to everyone but Celtic who just lapped up the CL money playing in a league with no competition and made players like Scott Brown seem like he was good and had achieved something

[@Coppertunes]

Celtic or Rangers would take more away fans to Arsenal or Tottenham, than what Chelsea would, guaranteed 20k - 30k away fans every away game.

[@gumbo7215]

yet Celtic can't even fill their own ground unless you count the 30k empty green seats that turn up to every home game.

[@kevsimon64]

The old firm are massive and would be a great addition to the premier league but its them that need the premier league the premier league does not need them, English football still has enough problems with out having the religious bigotry the old firm bring and what is going to happen on rememberence weekend with Celtic , i know i wouldn’t pit up with the disrespect to our fallen heroes, is it worth it.

[@armaddreadchronicles116]

Bob Marley 1979: "Oh, you know I’m a big Celtic fan. I would love to go to Scotland to see Celtic Park and maybe even kick a few balls there. I know all about Jock Stein. I love reading about British football teams and Celtic has always been my team. And now it is my son Rohan’s team. He’s only six but he loves Celtic. I can’t tell you how much I envy you having played at Celtic Park.” That was the Potential of Scottish Football Global reach but they didn't really capitalize and forget about the Teams today, i think Scottish League system is ridiculous.

[@labos7250]

lol what a load of pish.

[@24508372x]

Don't want Celtic in the English prem. Best suited to Ireland.

[@TheMadFerrit]

The English clubs will welcome Welsh teams in their leagues but they dont want the old firm. With the fanbase and TV money Celtic and Rangers would be challenging in the Premier League within a few seasons. English teams dont want it as 2 of them would have to make way. The big 6 would be the big 8 within 5 years.

[@wallycustard1281]

Are you new to football? the Welsh clubs didn't abandon a Welsh league. They joined the English league when the English league was formed because there wasn't a professional Welsh league. Why do you think Celtic & Rangers would be challenging within two years? just because they are successful in the SPL that doesn't mean they'd do well in the EPL. Celtic & Rangers have 100 times the spending power of their feeble rivals in the SPL. In the EPL they'd be on a level playing field. If it took Liverpool to re-win the English title and if big clubs like Leeds, Newcastle and Everton are struggling, I guarantee Celtic &Rangers would.

[@wealdstoneraider5364]

If that's the case why aren't Man Utd champions every season with Liverpool runners up and why are Luton, Bournemouth and Fulham in the prem when big clubs like Leeds and Sunderland are in the Championship. Celtic & Rangers wouldn't have 50 times the spending power of their rivals like they do in Scotland. They'd struggle in a big pond that has bigger fish with bigger teeth.

[@BashingOnesBishop-nu3ec]

Celtic and rangers fans think they'd do the same against Liverpool, United, City, Arsenal, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, West Ham etc as they do against Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, Livingston and patrick the Thistle. Totally deluded 🤣

[@alanjohnston3648]

Rangers & Celtic have real fans and would easily fill 100,000 capacity stadiums . Could you say that about the teams in the premier league ??? Full of tourists and half n half scarfs .

[@shielsy1]

What’s that got to do with anything?🤦‍♂️. You’ve no clue about finances

[@alanjohnston3648]

@@shielsy1 i don’t really care what you think tbh.

[@shielsy1]

@@alanjohnston3648 You enjoy St Mirren at home then 🤡 🤣

[@frazerlapsleyWATP]

Us and celtic would never get a chance in english football the scottish league would crumble and we would need alot of money to compete with the top six in the epl especially rangers barring butland and am hoping danilio who could cut it in the epl we have a few more but not enough in all honesty we could get embarrassed most weeks like we did against liverpool

[@deedeec1306]

If both team went to the EPL we would be shopping in a completely different stratoshpere to what we have now.

[@frazerlapsleyWATP]

@@deedeec1306 i get that but it would take alot of money we wouldn’t go there and get millions straight away with ffp we would have to either sell and build from there hopfully winning at the same time or keep the team we would have and hope that would be enough to keep us up there and gradually add better players i think we would be mid table probably get embarrassed by city liverpool ect at first

[@gumbo7215]

@@deedeec1306 So you're saying you need the English to make you big successful clubs.

[@rorysmith2415]

​@@gumbo7215cross border cups on top of domestic and European football woukd be fun. All the way down the levels at male and female footy.

[@Circa65-wk8th]

Celtic & Rangers fans claiming they'd win the EPL are the definition of keyboard warriors lol

[@Viewer41]

Newcastle have similar ground sizes to Celtic and Rangers. Yet they've done nothing. Why do Celtic and Rangers just assume they've win because they have big grounds?

[@shielsy1]

Rangers and Celtic fans have no idea on how much they'd be handcuffed by ffp, look at the Toon, Villa etc.

[@conner1260]

It’s arrogance. They have dominated this terrible league for years and think they are top dogs. In the 80s you have amazing managers like Jim McLean and Sir Alex up here and what a coincidence Dundee United and Aberdeen both won the league. Any basic competition up here and the old firm crumble

[@gumbo7215]

@@conner1260 The thing they forget is that the Spanish have a 2 club league as do the Germans and La Liga and the Bundesliga are in the top 4 biggest leagues in Europe along with the EPL & Serie A. So if Celtic & rangers were as big as their fans claim and they had this massive global fanbase, they'd already have a massive league. They wouldn't need the English. But their imaginary global fanbase doesn't exist. If it did Sky would be pumping billions into the SPL because the return from the global fanbase wanting to pay to watch the SPL would be colossal. But it doesn't happen because Celtic & Rangers are only big in Scotland.

[@wallycustard1281]

Same goes for West ham and Spurs. Sunderland's capacity is only 1900 short of Ibrox. using their logic Sunderland should be top 6 every season and challenging for the title within 4 years.

[@hayzee4429]

This stupid conversation comes up now and again. ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

[@spenceabroad7960]

Rangers and Celtic really do need to leave. Cardiff and Swansea aren't in the Welsh league. What's the problem here?

[@Dazfos]

Swansea and Cardiff have been in the English league since 1920 and 1921 and started from the bottom tier, and earned their right to play in EPL. If Rangers and Celtic want to join then do the same, join the starting tier of the English League, by the way that 9 divisions below the EPL.

[@spenceabroad7960]

@@Dazfos no problem. Rangers would still win your overrated league within 15 years. As souness said, we could draw crowds of 100,000 for a home game against English clubs.

[@johntate5050]

@@spenceabroad7960 So you need the English to make you a big club.

[@rorysmith2415]

Scotland is not a county of England. The better option is the best of both worlds we keep our own leagues, and European football, but also have more cross border cups all the way down the levels. Like bring back the Anglo Scottish Cup.

[@johntate5050]

@@rorysmith2415 Why would the English want a cross border cup? I don't hear of West Ham fans dreaming of a clash with Stenhousemuir or Forest fans begging for a chance to play East Fife.

[@user-zv7we2yn6x]

Anyone who seriously doesn’t think after a few years that Rangers and Celtic would be right up there at the top end of the EPL competing haven’t a clue or totally lack understanding of the size and passion of these 2 football clubs, Both Rangers and Celtic are worldwide and have an amazing history and stature, they both sell sell out 50-60 thousand every week against pub teams and have thousands more on waiting lists for season tickets, they’d both sell out over 80k in the premier league no problem, not many clubs in England bigger than the Old Firm

[@gumbo7215]

So if Celtic & rangers are so big with this global fanbase, why isn't the SPL one of the biggest leagues in the world? the Spanish have 2 big clubs as do the Germans are they are in the big 4 leagues. So what is your global fanbase waiting for? the fact is, it doesn't exist. 60k at celtic Park? Do you think we can't see all the empty green seats every week? they get 35k at best. the fact is there's no global interest in celtic & rangers. If there was you'd have Sky beating down your door pumping billions in that was generated by your global audience but they don't because it isnt there. You just want to leach off the English. Amazing how you all despise the English yet feel you're entitled to what they made of their football. Stick to your farmers league because that's what makes you look big. Pub sides, FACT!

[@user-zv7we2yn6x]

@@gumbo7215 Rangers and Celtic have supporters clubs and pubs all over the planet, they hold Conventions every year in places like America, Australia etc were thousands attend, you go anywhere on holiday even and you find pubs and clubs, you don’t see it with most clubs in England fact, just Because millions of neutrals aren’t interested in the Scottish game doesn’t take away the fact and truth that the Old Firm are huge clubs and massively supported, infact it tells how big they both are when most people don’t care about the Scottish game yet these 2 clubs and it’s Rivalry is world famous, Most clubs in England only Benefit by the premier league that’s all, Rangers and Celtic absolutely massive in their own right we don’t have to rely on our league to make us relevant, Go and learn how these clubs were formed and what’s associated with them to understand of their size and importance, Your comments are making you look really silly

[@user-zv7we2yn6x]

@@gumbo7215 Rangers and Celtic both being left behind now in the modern game due to where they are from and play that’s all, if you seriously can’t grasp and understand how football has changed massively because of money then you are deluded, If the Old Firm played in the premier league in its current climate then it would be even bigger and those 2 clubs size and value would triple, You have nothing clubs in that league like Luton, Bournemouth, Brentford etc who have no history, stature of fanbase and get crowds of 11-20k, Yet get over 100 million by simply being in that league bur you can’t grasp huge worldwide clubs like Rangers and Celtic with all their history, stature and fanbase wouldn’t benefit and be a force if they were in that league lol, honestly your logic and knowledge is embarrassing

[@user-zv7we2yn6x]

@@gumbo7215 all the biggest attendances in British and European footballing history all held by Rangers and Celtic, first to reach European finals and winning the European cup etc, first to play 100 games in Europe, first to play in the champions league and founding it, I’ll keep banging out the facts while you keep waffling away lol, Go and learn football because you clearly don’t know your history or what a big club actually means.

[@gumbo7215]

@@user-zv7we2yn6x Supporters pubs don't equate to millions, they just tot up to dozens. The pubs you see on holiday are Irish pubs not celtic pubs and again they're just dozens of people. When Celtic played Sydney in Australia the stadium was empty. As I said before, if Celtic 7 rangers are so huge with this massive global fanbase, where is your money? It's the fanbase that makes the clubs rich. Sky invest where the fans are. You clearly don't know how football works.

[@Dylan-dh8vm]

Celtic and rangers mid table championship 😂😂😂 guys waffling utter dug meat

[@user-ki6iq3vj8f]

Recently A couple of pubs in Glasgow laid out the red carpet to Supporters of the English national team .Most non vindictive people thought this a brilliant idea to repair some damage/ animosity between the two footballing nations in previous years , Then in a friendly a contingent of political and sectarian fans booed and screamed obscenities whilst the Northern Irish teams National anthem was played , I think the real reason no Scottish teams will ever be invited to play in English leagues' or Dutch or Belgium league is apparent and in this weeks Celtic blog it openly admitted how damaging this brigade of supporters are to Celtic and Scottish football in general

[@BB-ju8bo]

Let the people sing 🎶

[@Support-your-local-team]

It's the absolute arrogance of talking about any club in Scotland being afforded the honour of being "invited" in. Little Englanders think the world revolves around Engerland

[@borderlands6606]

@@Support-your-local-team Any league that is consistently won by one of two teams has an organisation and finance problem, not a footballing issue. Cash distribution, or lack of it, has provided Scottish football with a glass ceiling like no other.

[@BB-ju8bo]

@borderlands6606 that would be down to celtic and rangers having a much larger fan base than the rest of the teams in Scotland. That means they generate alot more money from their own fans through ticket and merchandise sales. Not hand outs from a TV broadcaster. Real clubs real fans.

[@Support-your-local-team]

@@borderlands6606 Do you not see the irony in what you're saying? Yes the Scottish Premiership is predictable. The EPL has had the same winner for five of the last six years, probably six in seven by May.

[@Bleedforme-zq2uf]

celtic & rangers fans pleading to join the English league is frankly embarrassing. So much for Scottish pride. William Wallace will be spinning in his grave. 'FREEEEEDOM....but can we come in please?'

[@overthewebb]

Last time I looked we all have British passports. William Wallace died 700 years ago. What does that have to do with anything?

[@Bleedforme-zq2uf]

@@overthewebb Oh yeah because the Scots never bang on about William Wallace do they?

[@WillieGreig-yq6gj]

How deluded are that mob. In the early 80s Ibrox attendance was 12,000 - 15,000 Before Souness the attendances were a joke . 😂. Talking about filling it 3x over 😂 And Celtic before Mccann bailed them out were the same, They were inches from folding talking like they're giants. And I noticed the 10 other teams don't get a say. Like the only club to win 2 European trophies in the same year. Deluded

[@gumbo7215]

Until 1995 Celtic's average attendance was below 20k. Celtic claim 58k crowds these days but that's clearly bullshit to keep sponsors interested because every home game I see 30k empty green seats.

[@johntate5050]

2:11 'When you get a battle of Britain it's not cut & dried.' Rangers 1 - Liverpool 7 🤣

[@padraig7744]

Celtic have defeated Liverpool, Revie's Leeds & Blackburn in Europe. Played Man City a few years back & were told we'd get smashed. results: 3-3 & 1-1. That on 5% of city's budget.

[@gumbo7215]

@@padraig7744 revie's Leeds? that was 50 years ago ffs

[@keithlordofalbascotland3371]

Rangers 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧 septic 🇮🇪 nuff said

[@the-blue-barron2791]

Yeah, because a mid table championship team would reach a Europa league final

[@gumbo7215]

If they got a free ticket into Europe every season like Rangers do the chances are they'd get to a freak final just like Rangers did. PMSL @ rangers 1 - Liverpool 7 🤣

[@the-blue-barron2791]

@gumbo7215 You can't go through a group stage, then win 4 knockout ties that are over two legs by chance. Plus, when we played Liverpool, Rangers had most of their first team squad injured. We were playing an 18 year old at CB with zero first team experience.

[@gumbo7215]

@@the-blue-barron2791 AHAHAHAHAHA ! @ the excuses. Ok if you had your full squad you would have only lost 1-6

[@the-blue-barron2791]

@gumbo7215 We would have beaten Liverpool in that game. Rangers were in complete control before Goldson went off injured

[@ajsctech8249]

Souness and Whyte just stop short of criticising Sky for under investing and destroying Scottish football. English football was average until Sky pumped in hundered of millions per season

[@johntate5050]

English clubs dominated Europe in the 1980s. That domination only came to an end when English clubs were banned from Europe.

[@Michael-eb8fo]

And every one of those team 3-4 of there best players all Scottish

[@TheMadFerrit]

We need some rich Arabs to buy Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs. Then the SPL will get interesting again.

[@wealdstoneraider5364]

there isn't an audience for Hearts Hibs or Aberdeen.

[@Whatever10000]

The reason the English FA doesn't want the old firm to join is because they would dominate the league in 10 years time. How do you think they'd like 2 Scottish clubs being not only the best supported but also dominating their league.

[@gumbo7215]

Absolute delusion

[@gumbo7215]

Ross County 3 - Rangers 2 lol 🤣

[@Whatever10000]

@@gumbo7215 crystal palace 1 Liverpool 0. 😂😂😂 What's your point?

[@gumbo7215]

@@Whatever10000 My point is Palace and any other EPL club would scalp Rangers. If they can beat Liverpool they can certainly beat Rangers.

[@Whatever10000]

@@gumbo7215 No, your missing the point, give Celtic and rangers the revenue English premier teams are getting and crystal palace are a pub team.

[@user-bh2tl5sl6c]

The premier league is the Super league other countries can’t compete with their revenue it’s not just a few million it’s hundreds and hundreds of millions ever the mid table teams a capable of outbidding the rest of top sides in Europe apart from a few. Not only are UEFA killing the game Premier league are a massive part of the problem

[@wealdstoneraider5364]

Spain only has two big clubs and La Liga is one of the big 4 leagues in the world. Same goes for Germany. So if Celtic & rangers were as big as Celtic & Rangers fans claim, Sky would pump billions into the SPL and the Scottish league would be top 4........but it isn't because celtic and Rangers aren't big clubs. The proof is in the pudding.

[@GSGTRFC]

Personally don’t think the size of the club even matters in the English leagues, the only thing that matters is who owns the club so unless rangers and celtic were both bought by rich Arabs I can’t imagine them competing with the teams that are owned by rich Arabs

[@Mike72-vv5zr]

But if they were in the league with un limited potential you would get the takeovers you speak of

[@whoknew2273]

To all these porn bots you keep getting reported

[@fat-shotgolf2937]

I've been saying that for years. Unfortunately for the English clubs it would be is Rangers or Celtic going to win the league?

[@timmalloy5661]

the potential of Celtic and Rangers playing in the EPL is scary

[@mrchico2621]

@@timmalloy5661 Lol how so? It's very possible they wouldn't even make the top tier 🤣

[@liammcdyer6260]

Celtic have ten times the potential reach of rangers I believe with the Irish element potential would easily compete with United and Liverpool for potential support...

[@lewismccrimmon]

Your absolutely talking rubbish you don't realise the support of Glasgow Rangers it's far more than celtic even with the Irish support , honestly you don't even know what your on about

[@tevildo45]

Globally nobody has heard of rangers. Small club

[@liammcdyer6260]

Rangers are a nothing club that have had apartheid recruitment policies and fucked up Manchester and didn't allow United to parade their 3rd European trophy so I have absolutely no time for rangers...

[@Aremga.]

Rarely do I ever meet a Celtic fan. I have met loads of Rangers fans so not sure that accurate. I don’t live in Scotland either.

[@limedickandrew6016]

Both have massive support. Which one has the most, a 'discussion' I will leave to the fans of said clubs. Not getting involved in that one.