Simon Jordan Weighs In: Is a 10-Point Deduction for Everton Too Harsh? 😫

Everton's season has been drastically changed after the club was hit with a ten-point deduction. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown have their say!
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[@damiantosd8720]

I think Everton fans would accept it if they knew Man City and other clubs got treated the same but we all know they won’t. Man City have the funds to drag this out for years in court.

[@18CDNSNO78]

A ten point deduction is totally unacceptable regardless of what happens to City

[@eL--RaL]

As a City fan, it's disgusting that Everton cheated and now they are even atrociously complaining.. Embarrassing

[@joec2104]

Everton fans have supported city for the past 6 years now they want them punished 🤣

[@18CDNSNO78]

@@joec2104 Liverpool fans were supporting City when they were beating United to the title 😂 see how this works?

[@NickQuigley-dp9so]

​​​@@eL--RaLEverton broke 1 rule with a 10 pt , now let's talk about city 115 rules broken !!

[@TheSpoovy]

As long as they're consistent with Man City et al I've no problem with it. It's pointless having rules if you don't enforce them.

[@eL--RaL]

City is innocent asf more than a new born baby

[@Fergz2049]

What I don't agree with is other clubs having the ability to sue them into administration and cost them more points.

[@danmitchell1955]

Your deluded Man City have done wrong doing it and Chelsea apparently.everton is harsh

[@Keith_Lard]

If city are found guilty of more than 10 charges they should be dissbanded

[@lilbaz8732]

@@danmitchell1955 teams got relegated while everton stayed up. 10 points is to deter teams in the future doing it.

[@philgreenough9730]

Thank you, Simon, for your rational support of my club. 👏👏

[@gavincunningham4598]

Independent committee....it came out this morning one was an ex westham chairman and a member of the fa panel it's been a fix from the start it's blatantly a with hunt .... Everton should sue the premier league of anything

[@craigmartins997]

Jim White is unbelievably daft man it’s wild

[@Steve-wb60]

He doesn’t know that new player purchases are amortised over the contract period, and often the payment to the selling club will be over a number of years. The guy is clueless.

[@davewright3913]

I’m not an Everton supporter but I definitely sympathise in some sense. They seem to be happy to use them as an example when you know full well this won’t be followed through for other clubs. They were made an example of when retrospective punishment was introduced for diving and then the punishment appeared to evaporate for other clubs. There’s no consistency, transparency or any spokesperson to take responsibility

[@jayjolley9258]

The niasse rule 😂😂 its almost laughable isn't it 😅

[@Andrew-yq3fm]

Chelsea have completely taken the mick, whilst everyone else is trying to work within the desired framework that is unfairly advantageous to clubs that he received heavy investment previously.

[@Darkknight21789]

LFC fan here. Come on guys it seems very very harsh to EFC. It does send out the right message and tone from the top for overspending by £20m. I get that and that’s good for the governance over the league. In the grand scheme of things, I actually don’t want EFC to go down, but they have breached the rules, so have to accept the points if their challenge doesn’t stand up. The reason why it’s frustrating for the rest of the Teams and their fans is that MC have 115 bloody charges! The likelihood nothing will happen to them, and that is the frustrating part. Should’ve dealt with MCs fine first (or some parts of it) and sent the appropriate message with MC or Chelsea.

[@martinfaulkner3830]

What about when 6 of your clubs broke the rules (ESL) and negotiated a non points fine and then even got that reduced? What about when Leicester broke the rules and got a non points fine and negotiated a 3m fine? Gotta have some consistency

[@voodoovultures3044]

Jim White seems to be relishing our dire situation. No matter how many times Simon Jordan reminds of how the punishment is harsher than ducking your obligations and going into administration he just talks over him almost drooling at his quotes from the findings.

[@stephenattaran3556]

He is dramatizing it so much. He loves it. He doesn't seem to know the facts. Everton complied with the Premier league and were transparent since this started and the same couldn't be said about city who are trying to keep their books shut and not letting the Premier league into their books

[@f19ash]

Why do I suspect that Everton wouldn’t be in this situation if they had/could afford the same accountants and legal representation as Man City and Chelsea? 🤔

[@herrzyklon]

How much do you think City and Chelsea are paying their accountants and legal reps??

[@f19ash]

@@herrzyklon I dread to think. It’s going to be an eye watering amount, surely?

[@herrzyklon]

@@f19ash I would imagine so, to be fair, but I'd say you get diminishing returns. I am just a bit wary of a false equivalency between the legal teams. Surely the difference can't be that great between two established premier league teams in terms of what their legal teams can bring. Regardless, Everton had to face one simple open and shut charge. The others are charged with hundreds, which takes a lot longer to address, even if both team's resources were equal

[@f19ash]

@@herrzyklon indeed. Would be interesting to find out for sure

[@Beyond_Belief534]

Because you're uninformed?

[@lesmccomb3249]

Amazing how quick they dealt with Everton were as city seems to be dragging on lets hope they get treated the same

[@russellward4624]

It's not. They have no evidence against City. Everton lost more money than allowed. That's not up for debate. So its much easier to give a punishment for something that's been proven than to hold a long courte case to attempt to prove wrong doing.

[@dirtygunslinger9835]

@@russellward4624yes they do don’t lie. You can’t charge anyone with out suitable evidence to do so.

[@dstewusa7054]

This is nonsense The leaked emails are in the public domain and the evidence resulted in 115 charges up to 2018 There has been allegedly a refusal to hand over some pertinent documents since 2018 by the club to the PL . New rules need implementing to severely punish this tactic

[@russellward4624]

@@dirtygunslinger9835 not true. This isn't a courte of law. Different standards.

[@br-fitness]

⁠@@russellward4624waffle 🤣 the reason it’s taking so long because there are so many charges. it takes time to gather the evidence but they would not be going after city without evidence

[@Burno1995]

It’s hardly Everton’s fault that the hearing didn’t take place till this season so that’s a ridiculous argument. Plus the clubs who it’s thought might sue us surely don’t all have a claim to compensation as only one of them can stay up at our expense i.e. Leicester last season & Burnley the season before. If we got a 10 point deduction last season Leeds would still have gone down & not only would Southampton have still gone down but they’d have still finished lower than us as we finished 11 points ahead of them. Then you get to Nottingham Forest & I just don’t understand why they are even in the equation, they weren’t relegated. Add to all of this the fact that the premier league themselves have said that we didn’t gain an on field advantage as a result of breaching the rules you really wonder how far all of this will go. The clubs that were relegated simply weren’t good enough to stay up & only have themselves to blame. This is just sour grapes & bitterness on their part

[@paulsmith7579]

And Leicester also have charges levelled against them

[@RichardHobbs-sv5wg]

Oh mate nice one on the field Sundays game against United you will see our defence will tear rashford and co a new @#£@hole. Our mid field to strong. Their Defence not good enough. DCL just too quick. It will be tight. But we got the 12 man us fans COYB

[@Burno1995]

@@RichardHobbs-sv5wg Absolutely & I’ll be there, can’t wait…… UTFT 💪

[@conshea7382]

It is Evertons fault for breaking the rules though

[@Burno1995]

@@conshea7382 Nobody has said that they didn’t break the rules. I said it’s not their fault that the hearing didn’t take place until this season. Everton were at fault as regards their breaking of the rules…. YES (they’ve said that themselves) but they don’t decide when the punishment is handed out

[@queensberryrulez5306]

As an everton fan, the most difficult thing is being first to be punished and having no benchmark. Maybe if these punishments are dished out to other offenders then it will sit better.

[@MrSheepytoo]

I think this is just the start, but looking on the bright side (I'm a Liverpool fan) you're good enough to stay up anyway

[@queensberryrulez5306]

@@MrSheepytoo this season thankfully (hopefully). Board has cleared off an owner is doing his best to as well, fans left again!

[@peterh1353]

Agreed. It is a law of precedent. Man City should be far more worried than Everton. Can't see them getting relegated with the quality of the teams who came up.

[@Steve-wb60]

The penalty mechanism should have been established before the appeal started. The panel have not explained their criteria to give a 10 point penalty.

[@Haiirofox]

It's absolutely hilarious the lengths the media go to so they don't mention Man City by name in relation to FFP. It's always "other clubs"

[@lilbaz8732]

It's also chelsea and any other team that breaxhes the rulesgoing forward.

[@terrypietru8012]

Are Burnley, leeds & Leicester saying that they all three require financial compesation because "If Everton had been deducted 10pts last season then 'only' Everton would've been relegated"?

[@barryp8145]

It is bizarre logic as only Leicester last season would have survived with all the points from the Everton games.

[@grahamgibbins8071]

I've been thinking the same. Why would Southampton and Leeds have a case to sue, they would have been relegated even f Everton had been deducted 40 points

[@TheFourFats]

it wouldn’t be 100% that Everton were relegated with -10 points if the deduction was early or midway in the season, who knows how the club would have reacted to having their backs to the wall. It’s a pointless arguement of what ifs, sure.. what if Everton were deducted and ended up with more 4 more wins

[@Toffeeabi81]

​@barryp8145 but the would leicester still have they ffp issues. They had just mad 3.1 million settlement for p&s to avoid a points deduction. We deserve a punishment the problem have with it is in his summing on three occasions the KQ overseeing the hearing clearly wrote we no gained no sporting advantage. Yet we get a sporting sanction of more the more than what you get for going into adminastrions. The premier leaked thing to the press all the way through and we're told Amanda their own evendience by the panel. There were people on the pannnel who previously been employed by rival club so the nit unbiased and independent for start. We did wrong yes we deserve a punishment but need to be fair to the size of the breach. So if when we went in to special measures and they said for £5 milion your accounts are the allowable deductible amounts you will earn an inmidiate fine for half of that amount and suspended 9 point to be award and the being of the next account period.

[@mikemoran7416]

Impossible to prove

[@alantheloneranger]

Why would Leeds need compensation. Leicester were the team that finished 3rd bottom, so if Everton had points deducted last season then Leeds would still have been relegated, but Leicester would have stayed up.

[@paulsmith7579]

And Leicester are also facing charges so what happens when they're found guilty?

[@Steve-wb60]

Leeds would have gained a place in the league, so a £2m higher payout

[@paulsmith7579]

@@Steve-wb60 which is evened out by the places everton would have gained when ridsdale was cheating. Swings and roundabouts.

[@chronicles8324]

@@paulsmith7579 lol Risdale was rather a long time ago, certainly not within a 3 year football cycle, with your understanding we could revisit football finances since the beginning of football.............

[@paulsmith7579]

@@chronicles8324 the 3 year period refers specifically to one clause related to assessment of ffp violations. Its not a statute of limitations brainbox.

[@MikeK01]

Re 8:14 Signings of Onana etc are post 1 July 2022 and completely outside the scope of this breach. Not relevant in any way. Please do some basic research. The PL’s “warning” came in August 2021, Everton then profited from player trading from that point up until 30 June 2022. Roughly £88m in (Digne, Richarlison) and £32m out (Mykolenko Patterson, Gray, Townsend, Alli) No doubt Everton are guilty of breaching the £105m limit, but you can’t have a sensible dicussion about whether it’s a fair sentence if you don’t at least learn some basic facts.

[@rhysrm]

Ok so the Premier League and the Commission aren't working together on this case? because how could the PL approve of all transfers but then punish Everton for it?

[@whydouwanttoknow1945]

The prem and the commission shouldn't be working together at all that's the whole point of having an independent commission in the 1st place.

[@lilbaz8732]

As was said everton mislead the prem. Possibly on selling players to cover the signings. Or new sponsors or whatever. At the end of the day it is evertons responsibility to balance their books, not the premier league.

[@roydavidson7190]

Does anyone else suspect the ten points was set so after appeal they reduce to say six where it should have been in first place

[@terrypietru8012]

Definately.

[@ianomalley3054]

The thought had occurred to me.

[@terrypietru8012]

@user-tn8uu2cu8g what's that got t'do with a points deduction penalty?

[@stephenbagan3560]

Give Leeds fans their due they have all been saying “we where relegated not because of Everton but because we where poor!”

[@asddonn]

As an everton fan im thankfull the punishment isnt alot worse us fans have been massively let down by our incompetent owners

[@peterh1353]

The club was throwing money around like they were printing it. At least that is over.

[@Sutty0151]

@@peterh1353for now

[@jackgreenwood431]

It might be a lot worse further 9 points

[@Sutty0151]

@@jackgreenwood431 how ? it’s already in the report we gained no sporting advantage they all went down because they deserved too

[@Sutty0151]

@@0casey963 it’s a fact we didn’t it’s already been mentioned you can’t gain a sporting advantage on a stadium that isn’t open yet 😂

[@SR-kv1ic]

The report clearly states it’s a Technicality and wasn’t done on purpose by Everton.

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

What relevance does that have? It doesn't matter if it was a accident they broke the rules.

[@lilbaz8732]

Yes which is why they didn't get more points deducted.

[@mrt1878]

⁠as the sky 6, and others but where is the proportionality ?…whole thing stinks of a PL stitch up to save their skin

[@brianalmeida1964]

Why is Simon comparing Portsmouth's punishment to Everton's? Portsmouth went into administration in 1998, while FFP was introduced in the 2011/12 season! One has nothing to do with the other! When new rules are introduced, new punishments normally accompany them! Sometimes, Simon's lack of logic is astounding!

[@richardlaxton9398]

Did you actually listen lol

[@djsteves554]

He's talking about 2010 not 1998

[@brianalmeida1964]

@djsteves554 even if he's talking about 2010, that's still before FFP was introduced.

[@1786crafty]

Nice to see Martin on Monday. Good start to the week

[@bud1876]

I dont see how these clubs can claim money from Everton. If they go after anyone then surely they go after the powers that run the game for the delay of the points deduction.

[@lokischildren8714]

Im looking forward too man city and arsenal and Chelsea being punished if that dont it stinks of a cover up.

[@russellward4624]

What's the evidence City have broken the rules?

[@tom11mansfield]

Arsenal?

[@conorsmith8551]

False accounting?

[@AntonyBall-hm4jo]

As had already been commented - points deductions should not be introduced part way through the season. In this particular case, they had enough time from March to investigate and come to a conclusion before the end of June.

[@craigmartins997]

Simon speaking truth

[@dannymartin4468]

It is fair, it will be fair as well when my team (chelsea) get s points deduction IF we've broken any rules.. what's not fair, is that City are facing 115 charges, and they've said they'll tie this up in courts forever, because they've got the money to do so.

[@dstewusa7054]

Tying investigations up in courts over sporting matters should NEVER happen - it’s again farcical and a lack of transparency in yet another area of the once beautiful game Any lack of co operation from the off the pitch side should translate to immediate suspension of the on the pitch team until such time as documents and records are handed over 3 points for any opponent with a schedule fixture against the club under investigation

[@therationalmale2.09]

​@@dstewusa7054If you believe I've done something wrong, why should I help you in finding evidence proving such, do your own work and find what you alleged is there

[@bendynotydneb]

If the Premier League deduct 3-points to Everton for financial misconduct - could you imagine how many clubs would lick their lips and abuse FFP. For a lot of clubs that aren't in danger of relegation or trying to win the title, That could be a huge opportunity to overspend and absorb the 3-points. I think 10 is a good place to start given this is a strong signal to all clubs moving forward not to take the piss.

[@efcdk92]

Why if administration carries a 9 point deduction

[@RgjDj1878]

What about the mitigation? The fact that they are aware there is no sporting advantage? The fact the changed the rule about writing off stadium build interest AFTER Everton purchase the land to build their stadium? The fact they only come up with the punishments after it went to the commission? I’m sorry but if you support this football isn’t for you.

[@sdri6985]

Exactly.administration should be 18 point deduction then

[@seanpeckett8939]

Jim Jordan gets your facts right Our punishment has not been given for player transfers. We were not allowed to sign any players without their approval. We overspend on the new stadium and that is where they are getting fined

[@josephfoster3026]

Why are they think it severe? I would think it must be strict. Else everyone would do it? I do feel for the fans.

[@lilbaz8732]

Hopefully fans think about this when they are demanding their owners spend money.

[@TheEnglish1969]

Looking forward to seeing Pep on the sidelines in the National League going toe to toe with Scunthorpe United !

[@peterh1353]

I think they will be relegated and banished from the Premier League for three seasons. Like Juventus.

[@conorsmith8551]

Inshallah

[@geoffwalmsley3066]

This is leading to the end of the premier league,if City,Chelsea and i guess half the teams in the league get punishment,there will be a breakaway league, the big clubs are bigger than the premier league.

[@gavincunningham4598]

Independent committee...don't make me laugh one was a ex westham chairman and one was on the fa panel...they sold Gordon and richarlison for 110 million plus 30 for digne and spent 70 this is no argument they have been shafted

[@lfcspectre4335]

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

[@stevenwilcox8631]

I think Jim White was being harsh on Everton calling them ' lawbreakers ' if other PL clubs can go over the treshold that is allowed, then surely they should be sanctioned with point deductions as well?

[@martinfaulkner3830]

He's changed his tune since Moshiri stopped calling him to give him transfers exclusives thats for sure!!

[@stevenwilcox8631]

@@martinfaulkner3830Quite a few clubs in the PL have been accused of overspending other the 3 year period, long before Everton was accused of this and some of these investigations are still ongoing. I can see why Everton supporters are angry with the point deduction given the fact that other clubs that spent more than they did and were given more time to defend themselves , while in the meantime were allowed to escape without facing any punishments. Whoever made the decision wasn't being fair towards Everton and it was a bit tastless for Jim White to call Everton ' lawbreakers ' to over a million listeners when the club weren't given fair treatment by the PL.

[@lotechsmirk]

Every rule, broken to any extent, deserves the same harsh punishment according to Jim White, who clearly has never broken any rule or law ever, so should not be sent to prison for life, clearly.

[@johnreay5522]

Yes i am a Nufc fan should all be treat the same i know a few Everton fans good people see what happens to City Chelsea and any others

[@paulos1878]

I am sick of hearing about what City and Chelsea have done and why they havent been done. They are different cases different charges and a lot more difficult to investigate compared tp Everton Regardless of that, 10 points is a rotten decision. Fans need to be honest, there are other clubs that have hit bad times financially and got away with bad spends/over spending. Its an utter disgrace to football, but they want it as a food chain dont they!

[@conorsmith8551]

Surely Man City and Chelsea will get a Pts deduction too as night follows day

[@eduardosnow7374]

As a City fan it’s just unbelievable Everton would cheat like this and compromise the league.

[@mrlavabeast]

City Lawers will drag out this nonsense for another decade for fun. They believe they're above the PL. Everton had 1 charge. City have 115 that need to be answered. I'm sure that number will be greatly reduced due to alot of money changing hands. I hope they get dumped into League 2 and stripped of the silverware they bought in the years charged.

[@eL--RaL]

As a City fan, we are Innocent as a new born baby

[@leethistlethwaite4381]

my beloved Middlesbrough ended up being relegated due to a 3 points deduction for not having enough fit players to play a game, even though they alerted the Premier league prior to calling the game off and were advised to call it off, only to find out afterwards the person they talked too who advised them to call the game off didn't have the authority to make that call, and that decision efficiently cost the Boro thier Premier League status, now calling that harsh is a understatement in my opinion UTB

[@mikedavis-kp1sx]

Can somebody tell me what MK writes down?

[@JP-es1nb]

Rules are rules. Everton broke the rules. The premier league did the investigation. Everton we’re punished in accordance to the rules. Time taken is irrelevant as no time limit was specified in the guidelines. Everton and Other clubs agreed to this. It goes both ways. Everton have a chance of appealing. Other clubs should have no impact on this and shouldn’t be able to sue. They all agreed to the same rules and some time frame.

[@esclad]

Don't cheat, don't get sanctioned. Simple.

[@mrbroeders]

Big 6 attempt to wreck the PL and football pyramid : £2.7m fine each. Everton break one rule - 10 points penalty. Yes, too harsh by far

[@lilbaz8732]

The big 6 didn't break any rules though. The fine was a token gesture to draw a line under it. The pl couldn't punish them harder.

[@jonnicholson1638]

Just seems to me like they’re making a statement - unfortunate for Everton, but they broke the rules at the end of the day

[@lilbaz8732]

Not a statement, setting a precedent. This is basically the minimum punishment for breaching ffp. Other teams will now know what it looks like. Hopefully if city are found guilty we will find out what the maximum punishment looks like.

[@andymoore7556]

What a farce, the timing of the 10points was Everton’s best option to stay up, is that just luck?. So effectively they owed 20m but were awarded 100m plus for the 23/24 season. Why not breach FFP, thats how the even bigger teams are looking at this. They do not have the backbone to take trophies of teams that cheat so any other fine/points deduction is a waste of time.

[@tonydevilsredhodson9919]

City should be relegated!!!!

[@eL--RaL]

As a City fan, we are Innocent asf and Everton the cheat should be relegated to National league.. Embarrassing

[@whydouwanttoknow1945]

​@@eL--RaLI thought u was a fan of Barcelona/Madrid/United/arsenal/Bayern/any other big team that u can latch onto for the day. 😂

[@ianomalley3054]

@@eL--RaL you've said that about 10 times now, piss off.

[@magscheshire8375]

I’m not an Everton fan so when I say this I say this without any bias but I don’t agree with this Leicester, Leeds etc demanding more points and all of that. Last season the process of investigation was on going and therefore a period of time is needed to reach an outcome. Legally it seems to have been concluded quite quick considering but you can only act and punish once the process is completed. That happens to be this season so Everton take the hit now you can’t change last season. When proven guilty and all has been investigated then they’ll need to act. I do think 10 points is harsh would say 4 to 6 was more fitting it wasn’t a massive spend to be fair

[@kingsley3208]

None of you journalists are asking why it is 10 points. How did the KC of the independent commission come to that figure.

[@craigshackleton1652]

They only have the teeth to go after the little man in premier league terms. No one believes City or Chelsea will be punished in line with this verdict. The amounts those two clubs lost when the big money went into their clubs makes Everton's amount look like pocket money.

[@lilbaz8732]

You realise the premier league is run by the 20 clubs? Which of the other 19 clubs do you think wouldn't want city punished? Chelsea for obvious reasons. Other than that? The bottom clubs will want them relegated as it's one less spot. The top clubs would have more chance winning leagues and getting into cl.

[@neilclark9443]

You can see jim hates Everton

[@RichardHobbs-sv5wg]

I'm an A BIG SOUTHERN TOFFEE glad to see Keown weigh into the point deduction. Cause we need the Independent regulating authority. To come in and sort it out cause we were transparent to the premier league. They gave us this. TEN POINT deduction. Just cause we over spent on Nathan Paterson, the last January. He did not play manly sat down on the bench. We as club admitted it now we are TEN POINTS worse off why? Thank you other fans for saying its ludicrous. Thank you Simon saying too. Cause we should have been hit with a major fine.

[@andrewbanks585]

If everton get sued by leeds ect.. then what about man city getting sued by arsenal who might have won the Premier league if city had a point deduction

[@lilbaz8732]

City are not being investigated for last year. As said it's unlikely clubs will be able to sue.

[@victormyeni3410]

How do they determine how points get deducted? Why not 1 point? Why not 15 points?

[@lilbaz8732]

6 points for a breach. 1 point for going over the spending limit. 1 point for every £5m over. 10 points.

[@nicmonberg5974]

Not harsh at all the rules are the rules. Portsmouth 9 point deduction was back in 2010 over a decade ago. Got what they deserved only thing I do not like is it should have happened last season which may have meant relegated. SJ is incorrect again we even saw this over in Spain Barca was suppose to have these measures yet they went and signed a lot of players let them sit their because they was not allowed to be registered until a set time (The system is broken and could be so much more simple)

[@brad8204]

Should be a fine and transfer embargo

[@lilbaz8732]

Then everyone could break the rule in order to get out of relegation.

[@Ap-sy5nt]

Leeds got -25 points if people remember. Broken up by -10 for one season to get us relegated and then -15 to start the following season. We lost the playoff final after starting with -15 btw. Everton should be able to get -25 pts and still survive. There are 3 really bad teams who will finish below them

[@RobertJones-ku4fg]

All very well saying this a precedent for the big teams, we all know the PL will take years to punish them, by which time they'll have snuck off to the super league

[@melabshier5812]

Everton failed to keep their accounts in order over 3 years. The PL wanted a 12 point deduction. That would be 4 points per the three seasons. That is not a harsh punishment. The Commission made it 10 points. The punishment is even lighter. Evertonians should be protesting their owner and board for getting them in the mess. Not the punishment.

[@ianomalley3054]

Did you not see the protests of the board and owner last season? That board is gone now, and the owner is trying to sell.

[@melabshier5812]

@@ianomalley3054 Yes i did. And what were Evertonians protests about? Spending too much and getting into financial trouble? I think not. They wanted the club to spend MORE. Money they didn't have. Which is what got the club into trouble in the first place. And of course, they want the owner to sell. He's trying to do that to 777 which will only put the club at further risk. The 10 point deduction is the least of their worries.

[@ianomalley3054]

@@melabshier5812 The protests were over the gross mismanagement of the club. Every blue knows the club is skint.

[@melabshier5812]

@@ianomalley3054 Protest before the Arsenal match last season. From The Echo: The post from supporters read: "It is designed to bring attention to the majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri who despite investing £685 million approximately since February 2016 has not seen an improvement in the club's fortunes, with multiple managerial appointments, a weakened and less competitive first team squad and declining performances on the pitch. "The campaign welcomes and acknowledges his financial commitment to the club. However, the campaign draws attention to the governance and management of the club during these last six years. "The campaign recognises that without investment and fresh recruitment in the board and executive teams the prospects of a change in fortune in the club remains slight. "The fans' emotional investment and financial commitment to the club are totally aligned with Farhad Moshiri's investment. We seek the same outcome, a better return for both our investments. "We call on Farhad Moshiri as major shareholder to make the management changes necessary to see an improvement in performance. "We call on Farhad Moshiri to communicate in future through official club channels. "We call on Farhad Moshiri to engage, meet and discuss fan concerns with the fans." Nothing in there about the large debt, financial mismanagement, and reign it all in. All about performance on the pitch and indirectly, spend more money on players.

[@albertbrammer9263]

Any team that goes into administration should go down to the conference.

[@stephenbagan3560]

As Everton fans we would like a apology from media for slagging us off for protesting the owners/board!

[@ElectricSoulShow]

Can you imagine the 3rd round draw of the FA Cup for 2023/2024 - if the draw came out like this - Leicester City v Everton, or Leeds United v Everton, or Burnley v Everton........

[@darrenhaskins4535]

What I find odd is why have the premier league docked Everton the ten points now rather than at the start of the season they were obviously going to dock them mind you they are lucky it should of been last season I think a lot of it seems like jealousy to me they waited for them to start accumulating points then wam bam docked I hope they stay up show the haters they deserve to be in the premier league the only reason city and Chelsea have got away with this is the fact they have the money behind them let's face it they have bought the league it was fair back in the 70s and 80s there was more of a level playing field.

[@ryanbarry34]

Why would the premier league be jealous of Everton....a points deduction wasn't known for a fact last year and if it had they would have been relegated....that would show the "haters"

[@1878EFC]

so, if the rule is 1-point for £2,000,000 overspend, God help City, United, Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa etc

[@Brody9592]

The other clubs seeking to sue Everton are just weak and salty

[@Sutty0151]

Those 3 tinpot clubs are only worth about 50m each they haven’t a chance of getting 300M

[@dawnsparks9207]

If man city or Chelsea get relegated is that a punishment for the teams in the championship they will come straight back up which means there will only be 1 place left for promotion

[@stevenbrown6593]

They might play a play off where in the end 5 teams go up, and the bottom 3 go down as useral and City and Chel join them, something like that, but then again it will not happen will it

[@lilbaz8732]

Not sure. They'll have to pass the efls spending rules which are projections for the upcoming season. Can only lose up to £13m. Loss of pl tv money, cl money etc... they'd have to sell a lot of players. The commission may even rule some of the sponsors are fake. May even be sued by clubs that missed out on trophies and cl. Could be a mess. That is assuming they are relegated rather than kicked out of the league. Then they might have to do a rangers.

[@goldsphinix]

Chelsea might get relegated to the championship, but City are likely to get relegated multiple divisions. ... assuming the Everton punishment is the benchmark

[@Reddoguk]

Man City should get a 115 x 10 points dropped. 1150 points. See you in a Sunday league.

[@marshallm7339]

The literal rules his talking about has been changed at the start of this season to address the very situation his talking about.

[@alastairsaint8723]

Love how Jordan has no time for clubs lower down the league who are so short they end up in administration but Everton who have just blown all their money.Anyone saying 30 points was harsh on Luton 17 points Bournemouth and Rotherham

[@user-mp5wo4ov8s]

They got caught trying to bluff their way out of it 😂nice one

[@terrypietru8012]

By the time this has finished every premier league club will be have deducted points and we'll all be right back where we started.

[@jamisonmunn9215]

Lets be real if it was 6 or 7 points people would be saying the same thing.

[@jab-gn3sw]

Totally unacceptable points deduction no matter which team it is !

[@Ayah_Mia]

At this rate given Everton deduction as reference , Citeh will be deducted 1500 points 😂😂..

[@eL--RaL]

City is innocent more than a new born baby

[@Sketch2805Studios]

Not all 115 charges are the same as Everton but it should still be a massive deduction and financial sanctions lol

[@NickQuigley-dp9so]

Relegation is the only option for city and maybe Chelsea

[@vikingfrog7204]

If Everton get this and city dont get dealt with as harshly ill definitely give up on football.

[@vikingfrog7204]

Simon's so pious, thinking he's always correct.

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

Simon I correct. People are just too keen on seeing Everton get punished because they're scousers

[@firewalkwithme2539]

Now do Sevco. They lose money every year since they were formed in 2012 to replace Glasgow Rangers who went into liquidation and died.

[@whydouwanttoknow1945]

The rules in the Scottish League are not the same as the rules in the premier League.

[@kennyharper5891]

Can we please stop calling it an independent, the main man works for Leeds, one of the clubs looking to sue.

[@kylelacey8036]

I feel the Premier league is saying unless you are man city you will be punished if ÿou break the rules

[@roydavidson7190]

Feel sorry for known here he can't get a word in because Jordan won't stop talking very rude to me

[@whydouwanttoknow1945]

Last time I checked keown was an adult on a talkshow.. he can speak up if he needs to jordan's just doing his job if keown can't get a word in because of Simon then that's a keown issue it's not Jordan's fault

[@stephenbagan3560]

We (efc) never mislead or lied to prem league,,we actually went to prem league and asked what should we do?

[@marshallm7339]

20% is a huge infraction.....

[@Andrew-yq3fm]

In the Jan 22 transfer window, Everton already in trouble with so-called FFP rules went out and signed up mykolenko, Nathan Patterson, deli Ali and donny van de beek. Considering they were already in trouble with the Premier league for so-called FFP, their behaviour was like sticking two fingered up at the Premier league. I don’t see how anyone can defend Everton here. Sympathy for the supporters is justified, but their club cheated, resulting in the relegation of Burnley instead of themselves. Fact!

[@AC-26560]

EVERTON SIGNED PLAYERS ON STRUCTURED DEALS. WE HAVE NOT PAID A CENT FOR DELE. MCNEIL AND ONANA WERE OVER 3 YEARS. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT

[@mrkaosboxinguk1054]

Arteta is bringing the game into disrepute with his words Everton break the rules and the media say it’s harsh! So breaking the rules is not bringing the game into disrepute?

[@julierobinson9092]

How On earth have Chelsea got away with being able to buy so many players

[@wrighthartlane2315]

I dont like martin or Arsenal but I hate the way Simon trys to close him down all the time and get the better of him

[@rakimrobinsonMCFC]

All of this is angled towards City. City do not have financial issues, comparing that to clubs that are failing economically is ridiculous.

[@steve-kl9iv]

Because city are state funded. They cheat

[@GGMU100]

Aslong as we times city's by 115 then it's not harsh at all No

[@nothing-jg7fw]

I get very annoyed when Simon wasn't able to answer the question when asked it. Too many interruptions from the other dude. Very rude.

[@jordanbyford2693]

Everton need to be punished i am just not a fan of points deductions because it ruins the sporting side of football which is you play 38 games in a season and the 3 worst teams go down im just not sure what sort of alternative there is also this is partly on the Premier league because the fit persons test doesn't work same goes for the EFL

[@graemebucknall2331]

Commission gave the verdict not the premier league.

[@creasicle]

Simon is wrong to compare Portsmouth to Everton. A club doesn't gain a competitive advantage by going into administration. Overspending does convey a benefit. Sadly Everton have spent a lot of money very badly and this is chickens coming home to roost.

[@18CDNSNO78]

Going into administration means you don’t have to pay your bills mate lol

[@creasicle]

@@18CDNSNO78 yeah but you lose control of the club and as I said, there's no competitive benefit in doing it.

[@lilbaz8732]

@@18CDNSNO78 also means you've probably broke ffp along the way. So will get double punishment. See clubs in the efl.

[@liamc4397]

Get people on this show who actually know what they are talking about. The overspend is on the ground! Everton are in the bottom 3 for net spend over the last 5 years. The commission was hand picked by the league, they didn't even have a punishment in place before the commission was brought in, sorry cherry picked. They just made the rules up as they went along. The league was so unprepared that the commission told them to resubmit the evidence and through it back at them!! Do you think the premier league will win against blacksone and Lord Pannick when they try city? Yes we are guilty we know that, but 10 points is a joke. Lets stop bringing other clubs into this too! I don't care about Chelsea and city. Look at the media trying to divide fans so we get off the bigger picture of how the league is corrupt and cannot govern itself. Ring fenced off for specific teams! Man city has denied all charges and almost certainly will take over 3 years to get to the high court and then the supreme court if needs be after that. City will wipe the floor with the premier league when you have to actually provide pieces of evidence rather than it all being suggestive! Is that a 6 or an upside down 9?? erm not sure lets go with a 6: ok sound! guilty

[@timwilliams2474]

Think the premier league are setting their stall out…this will end up being a 5pt deduction following appeal. Enjoy the conference city and Chelsea

[@lilbaz8732]

Doubt it will drop to 5. It has to be tough enough to deter teams in future from doing it.

[@johnjonesToffeeman]

For attempting to destroy English football the sky 6 got a 3.5 m fine

[@rhys2091]

Because none of the smaller clubs wanted a punishment, if smaller clubs wanted a huge punishment they could have pushed for that, they didn’t do that becasue it would hurt the value of the league and subsequently the value of there teams,

[@lilbaz8732]

@@rhys2091 no they couldn't. The big 6 didn't break any rules. The eu ruled uefas punishments illegal. The £3.5m fine was accepted by the big 6 as a form of apology to draw a line under it.

[@rhys2091]

@@lilbaz8732 those are UEFAs rules, not the premier leagues, the premier league could have put all the clubs to the independent commission for punishment, but none of the teams outside the top 6 even suggested it, as it would have did more harm than good

[@lilbaz8732]

@@rhys2091 no it is eu competition law. That ruled uefas punishments illegal. The uk hasn't changed the competition law since brexit so we have the exact same law. So if the prem punished the clubs harshly, they'd have gone to gone to court and got the punishments overturned. Boris may have threatened to change the law. But a law cannot be retrospective. At the time everything the big 6 did was legal. Punishing them was illegal.

[@clipped6963]

The people at the top rarely get just punishment. Man City almost 2 years no court date Everton 10 point deduction only 4 month case. What the PL should do it city were guilty from 12-19 then all those titles should be void. If from 19-23 legit then keep the titles. Simple

[@brianpreval5602]

when is man city going to be held to account??

[@paranoidace1]

its only for poor clubs😅, its like poor people who suffer, if u have oil money you dnt have to worry

[@lilbaz8732]

Chelsea and city are worried. That's for sure.