Simon Lizotte Hosts, Matty-O's Controversial Video, PDGA Listens, Top 5 Backhands | EP 43

[@bradwurst8141]

It's so funny when Simon says, "I dont know if I'm phrasing this properly" then drops the most lucid, coherent commentary of all time lol

[@ColeRogersDG]

Get Simon on here as much as possible please! Love his differing opinions and attitude

[@claudbutton8068]

1. I love Simon being there, his takes are really informative. 2. I do not think the Matty O announcement was a take on any of the political scenes currently. 4 more years has always been around, and I loved it. We need more announcement videos like this.

[@HaikesXO]

Simon has come a long way with his communication. Hes the most calm, cool and collected I’ve ever seen him.

[@fbodyguy46]

Being set financially for the rest of his life will do that to a person

[@franksnyder363]

But he's a very introverted person (self proclaimed) and I entirely agree with your point. I feel the same way for Ezra. He took a challenging speech pattern and has made it into a signature sound. This is such a small sport, you can see the growth.

[@kingdavey90]

@@franksnyder363 Good points. Two of my favorites :)

[@willoughbytaylor17]

Older + a kid helps mature a person.

[@nesking7029]

I like how Simon listened and thought about his stance. Great job on this podcast!

[@michaelwhitlock6301]

They did the Conrad announcement with the “4 more years” chant too because like every single political candidate gets that chant - No one reacted this way. This is just because Westside COMMITTED to the joke and made a good production - people just want to dump on things that have the spotlight. My vote: well done Westside!

[@lyndajones1133]

yea westside was like a sketch comedy thing. honestly dope.

[@DarttheLegend]

I don’t think they intended the video to be anything political. “4 more years” has been said by people who support every incumbent in the history of presidential elections, it’s not a recent thing.

[@shamanschlong]

it's not supposed to be political but the slogan is directly political ?

[@bsmithhammer]

Agreed. People are taking it way too seriously and making mountains out of molehills. Lighten up - it's just disc golf.

[@DarttheLegend]

@@shamanschlong just election-themed, that doesn’t make it “political” it is not making any sort of political statement for or against any party or candidate.

[@shamanschlong]

@@DarttheLegend that makes no sense and your comment is a contradiction.

[@DarttheLegend]

@@shamanschlong you must not understand words then, sorry, can’t help you. A political statement must be in support or opposition to something, that’s just how it is. If I say “the office of the President exists” that is not a political statement.

[@JarrettWBass]

Congratulations Simon! He is the Peoples Champ!

[@Steventhrowsbirds]

Ricky all day 🎉😂

[@Footfaultguy]

Umm… excuse me, everyone knows Melton is the people’s champ!

[@JarrettWBass]

@@Footfaultguy nope

[@JarrettWBass]

@comegetsomeeatingguts8203 no he took Dino legs

[@Rideout5]

I’m a numbers guy. I’m all about the chi squared analysis. I was all in favor of the ratings system and it being great. On Simons side. Until Brodie. That was an excellent example and made me do a complete 180 on the subject. Great show guys

[@FoundationPodcasts]

Welcome to the dark side

[@chrispinnick3816]

Simon Lizotte first guy on the internet to actually have his mind changed

[@DnBGolf]

I can't believe that's even controversial. That promotion was delightful and hilarious

[@lynch42o]

Lots of liberal fools in disc golf…

[@beetbmable]

Love the takes on Tour Life! This makes disc golf interesting. We need honest and differing opinions to drive the sport forward.

[@discgolfd]

I love how Simon always keeps it real.

[@marvelfandom2000]

“McBeth hasn’t won Worlds in what 2-3 years” Brodie, McBeth won last year 😂 and I think he would be the best option on the cover of any DGPT video game!

[@Jase-ul5yi]

Yep. That's what I wanted to say. This year was Isaac, last year Mcbeth, and year before that was James

[@Jase-ul5yi]

Plus, why do we need just one player on the cover? Put Kristin, Paul and Simon on there. Maybe even Philo to appeal to older folks and black folks. Lol

[@jklew9486]

Man child dislikes paul. It's obvious paul. May even be named after him

[@the_undersea_astronauts]

yesss. Tiger Words PDGA 2003 was also the game me and my dad would play. loved that!

[@dunk8040]

Completely agree with Simon, Niklas Anttila has one of the prettiest backhands and so consistent and smooth with his run up and form. One of my very favorite disc golfers to watch throw off the tee. My five are Calvin, Simon, Niklas, AB and Eagle. Lots of honorable mentions that I’m not gonna mention.

[@Funtimeflippin]

43:48 Simon is the best story teller. This is why he is this the best on social.

[@mikenestelroad4953]

Normally people look for the good in everything, if you look for crap u find crap, always look for the good in people & u will find it. Love the video, sorry for people who can't see it in a good light. Go, go Matty O!

[@techranger8418]

I love Uli, but this was the best one yet. Simon is such a great person to chat with. He should be part of the show full time or more often.

[@zac_breckenridge]

I think context is important as well. Dynamic Discs (a part of Trilogy and their team members are featured in the video) has the theme for all of their discs being legal terms: Truth, Warden, Enforcer, Felon, Judge, etc. Definitely political notions, but that is THEIR branding.

[@Rew123]

And it's super problematic. Imagine a company releasing two discs in fall 2020 - the Vigilante and the Thug. The Vigilante: neutral 15-speed distance driver, Supreme plastic only, and only in white for some reason. The Thug: overstable putt & approach, base plastic only, black only. Distasteful.

[@natew.6781]

Simon needs his own podcast with someone who can lead it like Brodie. I love Uli with Brodie, but I'd love to see Simon on a weekly podcast with another player.

[@mitchfuchs6024]

100% agree with Brodies opinion on changing how the ratings should be. Without a doubt makes the most sense 🤙🏻

[@larryshort5414]

There are a lot of disc golfers that don't play tournaments because of the sandbagging.

[@keisi1574]

@@larryshort5414 The local club in my area has a player who's sandbagged hundreds of times at the local minis and in tournaments. He's done it for 15 years. He's on the board of the local club and helps run the minis n tournaments. It's pretty much stealing from new players/beginners. It's a crappy club.

[@richardmyers5491]

Brodie, I love the Pod cast...you guys are killing it. I want to say a word on the Matty-O's 4 year deal, which I am extremely happy for him. I strongly believe the video did him no favors. In this day and age with everyone so polarized in one of two directions its best to stay clear of even the perception of being political. "4 more years", it doesn't take rocket science to take that the wrong way, with a big election coming up. The court room with a hood over his head, with a crazy judge...at a time where we have a former President being attacked in 4-5 different cases, many would say unjustly. I work in Contacts for the DoD. I'm not allowed to do anything that would even give a hint of bias or give a perception of Bias in who gets awarded a Contract. I believe the same thing goes in this case. It wasn't a good idea to touch or even give a perception of being Bias one way or another. Because it can't help, only damage, his Brand...Very Bad Idea. Just my two cents. - Rick

[@lynch42o]

FJB

[@michaelrobbins8728]

we have a local pro in our area that is rated 1020's. He routinely averages 1040's playing local c tiers and league rounds.... It is HIGHLY dependent on local region

[@aaronbowers3660]

Segment idea: 5 or 10 things each of you loves about disc golf. I love the show, but a lot of times it's the "what's wrong with disc golf" podcast. Brodie and Uli are such hard workers, making it happen in a bunch of ways within the sport, cool to see.

[@djhollowman9567]

Been waiting for someone to produce a super high quality game for disc golf, and either Simon or Paul would be perfect. Paul would be to disc golf what Tiger Woods is to normie golf. But Simon is to Disc Golf what Shaun White is to Snowboarding.

[@nochruto]

List wise, I'm surprised they left off Cole Redalen. He has one of the "smoothest" effortless throws.

[@scottdavis5076]

If not the #1 cleanest,smoothest form 💯💯💯💯most players would I agree,I think

[@sportsmonster66]

This is the best disc golf podcast and it’s not close. Keep up the good work as always

[@nicolaiberg6579]

This was a GREAT episode!

[@joshking4495]

I’m literally playing Disc Golf Valley as I watch/listen to you guys talk about a disc golf game! Lol

[@scottforster8361]

Worked for cutco during college over a few summers and their knives are legit AF. The hiring practices and business structure are wild but everyone I sold to 20 years ago still uses and loves their product. Not sure lone star will pass the test of time *edit to add. The “starter set” you buy in order to do work appointments comes in around 70% off I believe. The criticism of “you have to pay to get the job” is totally valid- but the discount is pretty large and the products are good quality

[@FoundationPodcasts]

Ok thanks for the info. I knew I wasn't 100%, but was close

[@lynch42o]

Still use ours from 20 years ago.

[@bridgerwilliamson721]

The fact that Paul McBeth and Ricky weren’t even mentioned in the backhand form conversation is WILD.

[@C.A.D.]

Simon has a child and becomes a winner. Now he's having a second. Watch out majors

[@Holycow723]

I hope so! He needs a big win!

[@bakerby]

The Matty O re-signing video is not a hostage situation. It’s a star-chamber scenario, where he is not given due process to decide his fate. Still controversial, but not about hostage taking.

[@marcoshuerta8661]

It's just like comedians being torn down for making jokes doing their job. It's a spoof, it's not anything bad it's not. It was made to grab people's attention it did that. Just let it be what it is, people need to stop overthinking things and taking stuff so serious and personal.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

Maple Hill is also Paul McBeth's favorite course, which doesn't hurt. He says it all the time. It's still a lot of pros favorites

[@chadbizeau5997]

Not Goose's. Lol!

[@UltimateBid]

Don't put words in his mouth!

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

Bradley Williams Back Hand smooth like butter

[@birdinflight3861]

McBeth won worlds last year lol

[@larryshort5414]

I know when I want information from someone that has their ear to the ground and their finger on the pulse of world politics I always consult a disc golfer😅😂

[@frankrussillo8839]

Not true Brodie Paul mcbeth the 🐐 make the cover over anyone

[@CheatingLeftyDiscGolf]

Thank you Simon for helping out! 👏. Hope to see you more on Tourlife in the future! Regarding the Matt O video. Initial reaction was mostly humorous, a little cringe. But in the back of my mind, I just felt the first part of the video felt like it could have been part of a political ad. If a non disc golfer were to watch it, I bet they would think it is a political driven video. Regardless, I had fun watching it and so stoked for Matty O! I do agree he needed to be allowed to be Matty O and not scripted.

[@benjamint_0]

paul mcbeth. it s easy he s the tiger of disc golf. close second is klimo. ...there s not a discussion, simon is right 100

[@benjamint_0]

*tatar putting on the cover 😊

[@yolobutton2451]

Simon should design one course that all 18 holes has a hidden Simon line 😎

[@jeffishero3419]

"You're starting to see these guys coming into the picture, like Calvin" What?! Lol

[@hillsdalemc]

Player of the year point: If you asked players which season would be tougher to accomplish, Isaac’s season or Calvin’s, I bet most pros would say Calvin’s. If winning 20 million was on the line and they had to replicate one of those seasons next year but they had to pick which one in advance they were gunning for, they would pick Isaac’s.

[@capecarver]

Anyone finding Matty-O's announcement offensive is probably an uber-sensitve Reddit type. Not someone you'd ever want to throw a round with.

[@aftertheburial420]

When I think of disc golf, I don't think of politics. I just appreciated the production of the announcement. it was different interesting and entertaining. I got a little addicted to the playstation move disc golf game.

[@gromba]

Eagle is doing things with the backhand that no one else is doing, not even AB.

[@DnBGolf]

The squinting and hand up against the light was really great

[@justinlesperance803]

I could see Gannon Buhr on there. He’s young, big on social media, a lot of people would know him, and could help grow the sport for a younger demographic that may not be playing yet.

[@MegaFlorest]

Simon is absolutely right. Ratings are great. And yeah, the 1000 plus local player might not shoot those on the road, when they aren't used to the level of competition, or not use to playing new courses. They aren't perfect, but they very acurately reflect skill level amongst the peers you usually play with.

[@MegaFlorest]

edit: hadn't gotten to Brodie's explanation. Respect. I'm now on the fence.

[@mattbroughton750]

Imagine Nikkos strengths&weaknesses when selecting character. Distance.../10 Accuracy.../10 Rage quit 9.5/10 😂😂 Putting violations 8/10 🤣🤣 Calvins character constantly taking metal on long throw ins. Matty Os character putting CGI lines would look like something out of Star Wars, double helix lines to the bucket 😂 Brodie would have a Huge water bottle, Ezra with the mango chews for character energy. Both characters would only begin with Nukes 😂

[@mickiesworkshop3490]

Bruh that matty o video had me dying😂

[@ggdg5302]

I don't know what the intentions were, and I certainly wasn't looking for anything wrong with the video, but I definitely felt weird about the political tone immediately. I don't know what that says about me, but the 4 more years chants and the hostage situation seem a liiiiitttttle tone deaf in the current climate. Idk just wanted to offer a perspective from someone who likes Matty O and thinks the production was good, but instantly was confused by the messaging.

[@philipsaul]

Loved hearing Simon stand up to you guys with his opinions lol. Why are you guys so against having multiple statistics and ranking systems?

[@DiscGolfDemastus]

LSD does give free gear, early access and other benefits on top of a discount. You also get a big initial discount to help build your bag. It’s almost exactly what they described as a “sponsorship”. It’s more of an ambassadorship.

[@C.A.D.]

This is the problem with ratings in lower tournaments. If there is a 1000 rated player and 2 960's in the tournament, then a bunch of 920's the top three people could easily throw tournaments that are 1030+ and they'll almost never be rated over 1010 even if they dominate the field

[@billa8083]

No this happens all the time. Our local league and local c tiers have 1000 rated guys shoot 1030, 1040 ect…. Sure they also have off days and can rate 970 too. These guys consistently beat 980 players by a few strokes and consistently beat 960 guys by 5/6+ strokes.

[@jdk0777]

Brodie, spot on with the rating system. There's definitely a better way, and your conversation ignited something within me to figure it out. Drug testing...strongly oppose. PED's tend to be quite obvious, and THC/alcohol are clearly not obvious. Players can be regulated by their behavior. It'd also seem a bit degrading to the THC sponsors you guys get.

[@Tbudde34]

I'd love to see the rating system change up to be closer to the PGA system

[@nolancampbell2527]

Brodie u should look into NADGT more cause the National tournament just happened in Austin and it happens every year. The best ams in the US come together and compete. I appreciate your response to my question about course design and it came up cause I am involved in designing one of the courses for 2024 junior worlds here in Tulsa Oklahoma

[@SPBTheHuman]

I'd break my rule of no pre-ordering if they made a big budget official DGPT game.

[@hillsdalemc]

UDisc rating idea: let people rate, not by score, but stack courses they've played in relation to one another. Playing spectacular local 9-hole course that is awesome for what it is and what do you rate it?

[@tonytortora448]

Why is the intro song “great fairy fountain” from Zelda by Kojo Kondo?

[@kellerthedog]

Matty O video was hype

[@Jase-ul5yi]

The Matty O commercial was awesome and fine. Some people get offended by anything and everything and need to be ignored. Those people are control freaks and need to realize everyone doesn't have to or want to constantly be walking on eggshells. Screw those control freaks and enjoy life

[@mikesurvant6730]

rating wasn't a problem until brodie got into the sport and open his big mouth

[@samuelrasmussen9458]

Brodie is 100% on the ratings

[@birdinflight3861]

I think it’s a good thing if you don’t search for something political in the video. People will find any way to be offended. We should know this by now.

[@jasonphillips3817]

Really interested in the course design conference results

[@thewynnercircle]

Love the Zelda music in the beginning to bring me into the podcast!

[@jvladcliff4083]

Simon and Kristen on the cover of a game

[@MikeRayburne]

the Matty O video is awesome and no one should look at it politically ... but buttercups will be buttercups...

[@nolancampbell2527]

I think Simon on the cover of the game would be the play because he used to play disc golf like it was a video game, Simon line = tiger vision

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

Brodie: Ban steroids Ezra: Bro?!

[@RyanDuclos]

If you have to pay for the product you are not sponsored even with a discount. You are an ambassador or endorsing the product. The better you promote the more perks you get.

[@christianswanger123]

Paul mcbeths usdgc photo from 2021 would make a killer cover for a game

[@madammo7786]

Yeah but Paul is a douche. Simon is a good guy.

[@ericsneddon5926]

To view matty os video as anything other than a fun way to celebrate woth his fans would be wrong. Whoever made that cpmment brody was reffering tp should be given absolutely 0 attention, that is bordering on pathological to equate the westside video to amything politcal, whoever that was npthing they say for the rest of their lives should ever be listened too. That is an absolute morron screaming look at me every chance they get.

[@tannerbolen4678]

Simon on the standard edition of DGPT 24 and Paul McBeth and Climo on the champions edition

[@4dwyn]

I'm at 19 minutes in and that's really telling. I follow disc golfers to watch the drama of them competing. But it looks like the disc manufacturers treat y'all like Hasbro treats their Transformer toys. Like, buy this merch! Buy Simon's merch! Buy Brodie's! Buy Paul's! What a boon Simon has been for MVP.

[@chadbizeau5997]

If there is a disc golf video game, I certainly hope EA doesn't touch it. I don't want to have to buy a $10 loot box, just to potentially get Simon as a player lol

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

There a few, the most popular seem to be Disc Golf Valley.

[@psychologic1933]

01:10:48 JJ Watt Makes Blue Disc Look Like A Mini 😂😂😂

[@ShawnSchulz]

Controversial? WTF is wrong with people? When I saw the title, I was scratching my head.

[@Chris.Davies]

After filming Simon performing about 40x 360s at 240fps back in 2015, I can say the world's best 360 thrower is now FJ08 World Champion, and U8 World Distance Record Holder Sarah Wadsworth, of New Zealand. Sarah now has by far the best 360 form of any player ever. She rotates her body faster than any player ever has, and I would rather watch her throw backhand than any other player in the world. Bar none. Here's Sarah breaking the world record before she turned 8. kzbin.info/www/bejne/joSxmISEjpeimrM She's much stronger and faster today.

[@Exploitiv]

What Uli was talking about with Nike. He could get multiplayers to go with and collaborate with a 100% and create a line of clothing on their own to make it worth it. It really only takes a few to make an impactful investments and creativity to take it forward monetarily.

[@JuskuK]

In all your examples playing with the "ma3-guys" inflates a good player's rating but you're also saying that playing c-tiers drops a good player's rating. Does this have to do with the courses not rating correctly or could you explain the inconsistency?

[@FoundationPodcasts]

Yes 100% the courses and the players. It’s a mix.

[@BROWNSTONEBEAR-1983]

Let's gooo Rick!!!!

[@Steventhrowsbirds]

Portland BrOpen 💪🏻💪🏻

[@BROWNSTONEBEAR-1983]

@@Steventhrowsbirds damn str8 brother 🤝

[@scottpoynor8216]

on point with that Brodie about Lonestar

[@Boucher702]

cross that off the bucket list

[@lyndajones1133]

ill say this. paul was the one who made me think i could attack the chains from any angle. he leveled up the game more than fathomable.

[@dunk8040]

My dream card, Bert Kreishcher, Simon Lizotte, and Brodie Smith. I’ve followed Brodie since I played ultimate while in the Army, Simon is my favorite disc golfer and Bert my fav comedian.

[@lynch42o]

I didn’t think anyone actually liked that fool.

[@agetori7743]

Ah yes the popular McCaron Radars

[@nathanielskinner6868]

I want Mario Disc Golf Toadstool Tour. Brodies fix for ratings is what I would love to see. I want to know what I am capable of and what the people i am playing against are capable of. Not the bad amalgamation of poor rounds.

[@thurmantj00]

I've never tuned in to this...but I love how the intro music is LOFI Zelda music...

[@mikepimpson]

Man this intro music... mixing two of my love's, disc golf and the legend of Zelda

[@the605kid]

People are virtue signaling to think that commercial is offensive.

[@Pillowd]

About ratings, you guys are arguing about different things. Simon is correct, ratings are accurate to gauge his competitiveness among those that are playing the same tour (top pros). If someone is gaming the system to get his rating up, or playing courses in a different country, or playing C tiers, Simon would take that rating with a grain of salt. But in his world among the top pros, its pretty accurate.

[@matthewbertram4312]

There is always a difference between intention and ignorance. I don't think anyone assumes Westside was being intentionally and aggressively political. But a bit tone-deaf? Maybe. It also doesn't make much sense. Why was he under a bag in the first place? The whole script is about how the fans are clamoring for him, and the company wants him, and it would be silly not to. And then they...kidnap him?

[@danimal519]

I agree with tournaments not being a good metric -- for the majority of people this is a hobby, and paying money to go get your whole weekend locked down, playing in crowded conditions, waiting around before and after, playing with strangers instead of your friends is just ... a whole different ballgame. for perspective, I'm obsessed with disc golf, i have about 7-9 different friends I play with, only 2 of whom play tourneys. Even though we buy techdiscs, watch all the form videos, nerd out on watching the tour, have and share DGN memberships, buy discs like crazy, etc.... and still no desire to play a tournament.

[@kylejohnson5842]

I played TW 2004 so much it had the Predator course, Highlands that crazy arctic course

[@jayfrein2630]

100% local C tiers drag on too long. I'm an older dude who can play rounds daily, but to leave 7 am and get back at 6 pm. This is too much. I stick to the local events or I'm loving the Flex starts one round events on given week nights.