An Upper-Class Southern British Accent, 1673 - 2023

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Simon Roper

Simon Roper

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@wrench8149
@wrench8149 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many more of us would be linguists if schools made linguistics half as interesting as Simon does.
@danielburley1131
@danielburley1131 Жыл бұрын
I definitely would be!
@janaaj1an889
@janaaj1an889 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing all of this. I start with /r/-ful vs. r-less dialects. I'm an American, so I like /r/'s. Keep on!
@bartoszwojciechowski2270
@bartoszwojciechowski2270 Жыл бұрын
​@@JositooooNo, phonetics and phonology are part of linguistics, and it's definitely not taught in schools. You're delusional if you really think anyone is taught IPA or phonotactics or morphophonology.
@RichRobinson
@RichRobinson Жыл бұрын
@@JositooooYou sound like a bit of a “diched”, if you catch my drift?
@ianinkster2261
@ianinkster2261 Жыл бұрын
@@Jositoooo Well maybe but Simon tells us this is mostly extracurricular for him.
@dianetheone4059
@dianetheone4059 Жыл бұрын
May all the world put down their arms and listen to Simon for a peaceful day.
@kylezo
@kylezo Жыл бұрын
would have been nice but israel launched more attacks on hospitals during christmas eve and christmas day.
@georgewang2947
@georgewang2947 Жыл бұрын
@@FatBasementGuy just don't hold them in the air, you'll tire yourself out
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
I am the only Queen / Princess / Lady / Goddess / Leader / Star etc aka the pure / superior being (and the only being reflecting special names such as Elise / Elizabeth / Lisbeth etc) and the pure protectors aka the alphas are the only king / prince / lord / man / gentleman / lad / guy / boy etc, and we are the only upper class, and by the way, only I reflect words such as The One or The Only One etc and numbers, and such terms and words like dia (which means day) cannot be in yt names or names etc either and must be changed - all wøm’n / dudes are the exact opposite of queen / king etc and other superiority and purity terms and special names and natural related names or terms etc, and are eempure by design, and all ppl are working!
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
I am learning 15+ languages at the moment, including the prettiest languages ever created Icelandic + Norse and Dutch and Norwegian that are as pretty / refined / poetic as English and too pretty not to know, and Icelandic pronunciation and Norse pronunciation are super easy category 1 pronunciations, and Dutch pronunciation also, so I can even pronounce the new words in these languages without practicing at all, and I can naturally pronounce them without accent, so it sounds like native pronunciation, however languages such as Danish / French / German / Brazilian Portuguese / Swedish have a category 2 pronunciation and an accent that one must practice a lot to get the same sound - það er mikilvægt að læra Íslensku og FornNorrenu og Hollensku og Norsku, því þær eru alltof flottar og fullkomnar! 🇮🇸 🇳🇱 🇳🇴 🇸🇪 🇺🇸 🇩🇰 🇬🇧 🇩🇪 🇱🇺 🇮🇪 🇫🇴
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
To improve pronunciation and accent in a new language, one must learn all the words automatically, that is, learning and revising each word many times over a period of time, until each word can be instantly processed and remembered / used automatically, and each word must be learnt with its pronunciation and spelling, so vocab videos and other videos etc are the best ways to learn new languages, and learning over 10.000 base words automatically, to get to a native speaker level! Languages such as English / Dutch / German / Danish / Welsh / Breton / French / Brazilian Portuguese use a non-relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking English or one of the other languages, the muscles involved in speaking are tensed up, and this is one of the things that give these languages that unique / modern / cool sound, so, if one is a speaker of Spanish etc and learning English, to get the right American accent, one must consciously tense up the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, and to keep practicing, until one gets the exact accent, and, if one is a speaker of English or one of the other languages and wanting to speak languages such as Spanish without an American accent, one must consciously relax the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, as languages such as Spanish / Italian / Galician / Swedish / Norwegian and most other languages use a relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking Spanish etc, the muscles involved in speaking are kept relaxed, so it’s usually the beginning that’s the most difficult, until new speaking habits are formed, but once they are formed, it all becomes something one does automatically, so it becomes second nature, and usually the accent improves with time as one gets to a native speaker in the new language and gets more and more éxpòsure to the new language, and listening to music and learning lyrics and singing along with the singer’s voice in the background and imitating the exact sounds can also help one develop the new accent and the new speaking habits in the new language faster! For me, mouth movements don’t change much, and I can usually pronounce almost any sound or vowel sound with minimal mouth movement, except for a few sounds, such as the unique ui sound in Dutch words like huis and tuin etc, as one must make a certain mouth movement to get the exact sound, but for most sounds in general it isn’t really necessary for me to change a mouth movement, as I am used to just projecting the voice in different ways and not even making much mouth movement when I speak, as the sound itself comes from the vocab cords and is controlled by the hern technically, so I can say most letters and sounds with almost no mouth movement, but it depends on the speaker, so maybe for most speakers it is easier to make a new sound if they make the exact mouth movement that natives make!
@miss-nomer
@miss-nomer 8 ай бұрын
I once met an Australian woman who had been living in Ireland for several years, and her accent, a mingling of the two, sounded like someone from the American Midwest.
@nydutch1609
@nydutch1609 5 ай бұрын
?😂 Two accents that sound nothing like a Midwestern accent mingled together to sound like one?
@miss-nomer
@miss-nomer 5 ай бұрын
@@nydutch1609 Yep. Watch the newest season of Alone. There’s a guy from northern Labrador and his accent, French Canadian/Irish mix, sounds like Cajun (Louisiana).
@irtnyc
@irtnyc 5 ай бұрын
​​@@miss-nomer Ahh... You realize that the Louisiana cajuns are descended directly from Acadie, Nouvelle France right? (Presently called Nova Scotia after the New English conquered them and relocated all over the map in le grand derangement.) Their accent sounds like French Canadian because it literally is. All that said, you never know with Labrador or Newfoundland. You can find people there whose ancestors came BEFORE the French to Canada, nevermind the English to the US. Aside from the Vikings and the occasional random shipwreck in the 1400s, it's my understanding that St John is the oldest surviving colony in North America. (Perhaps some guru here will know better.) Amazing accents and cultures both, up there.
@miss-nomer
@miss-nomer 5 ай бұрын
@@irtnyc Exactly! It’s amazing to connect the dots with mixed European accents and see how people can be raised in totally different countries and cultures yet have roots that when combined, sound the same vocally
@jacobbaumgardner3406
@jacobbaumgardner3406 4 ай бұрын
I myself am a British-American (east England) having spent most of my growing up in the US, but starting out in the UK, so my accent started strong and dwindled over time. Now it’s more American but with certain word pronunciations and intonations clearly still sounding English, and becomes much stronger when speaking with my mum.
@alessandrojaker7160
@alessandrojaker7160 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm a linguistics professor and I showed this video in my class. It seems very well done.
@jakubkovac346
@jakubkovac346 11 ай бұрын
Just seems, or is it actually very well done?
@alessandrojaker7160
@alessandrojaker7160 11 ай бұрын
@@jakubkovac346 It's well presented and well executed, although I am not a specialist in this area so I don't know whether all the facts are accurate.
@Deathstaroya
@Deathstaroya 11 ай бұрын
Did you tell your class that British accent doesn’t exist? 😅
@filevans
@filevans 11 ай бұрын
yes and explain why you showed it? what was the objective?
@Xanaduum
@Xanaduum 11 ай бұрын
Ironic the cost of University education these days and yet not only can you get most if not all the same information from KZbin, University professors and lecturers are actually using KZbin as a resource in lectures. 👀
@jerasmus
@jerasmus 10 ай бұрын
Possibly the most humble intro on KZbin.
@PyckledNyk
@PyckledNyk Жыл бұрын
I love these “accents through the ages” videos! I would love one for the Northern English accents as well, if it’s something you would enjoy
@user-na1ma3ga6e
@user-na1ma3ga6e Жыл бұрын
Hope for a northern pronunciation video too.
@deborahharding647
@deborahharding647 Жыл бұрын
Second the motion. I grew up in the American Midwest, but my British grandmother lived with us in my early teens. She was from Jarrow, but spoke with a received accent.
@LydiaMoMydia
@LydiaMoMydia Жыл бұрын
he did a comparison of northern & southern accents on a similar time scale to this video
@JS-fs9eh
@JS-fs9eh Жыл бұрын
@@deborahharding647Do you know her maiden name? I live in a neighbouring town now but my family and I are originally from Jarrow (Jarra)
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Жыл бұрын
I miss the transatlantic accent. My beloved Grand Aunt was one of the last people I knew who had one.
@MrMh722
@MrMh722 Жыл бұрын
"I'm not formally qualified to [talk about this]"… proceeds to smash it! Quality as always Simon - thanks!
@basileusbasil4041
@basileusbasil4041 Жыл бұрын
did you just SIC this man?
@ghoultooth
@ghoultooth Жыл бұрын
@@basileusbasil4041They did! They just SICed this man!
@that_flnger
@that_flnger Жыл бұрын
@ghoultooth what does that mean?
@MarikHavair
@MarikHavair Жыл бұрын
Formal qualification, a set of arbitrary guidelines established by someone without formal qualification.
@adamkibbey9891
@adamkibbey9891 10 ай бұрын
P​@@ghoultooth
@eelsemaj99
@eelsemaj99 Жыл бұрын
for the first accent, I wasn’t looking at the screen and I genuinely thought it was a recording from the Prince of Wales not from you. Well done
@simonroper9218
@simonroper9218 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! :)
@tiffcat1100
@tiffcat1100 25 күн бұрын
I heard truffles referred to as troofles recently by a very well connected Brit which was interesting (French being ‘truffes’ [troof]) ❤
@inkmime
@inkmime 5 ай бұрын
You have a phenomenal amount of voice acting talent to go along with your linguistic skills and it really helps in giving engaging examples of the accents.
@seanivan5421
@seanivan5421 Ай бұрын
Amazing. I’m Irish and from the East Midlands, in Kildare, and my accent is at least 50% of the 1673 accent. I pronounce “take” like “tehk”. This makes me think our accents in Ireland are more influenced by the English our ancestors were made to learn at that time than by our transition from the Irish language.
@WeBlanchin
@WeBlanchin 25 күн бұрын
Even from the accent-capital of Ireland here In Kerry, I was amazed how the accent seemed to slowly approach ours
@y0jimbb0ttrouble98
@y0jimbb0ttrouble98 Сағат бұрын
My thought as on the 1673 accent .. It's a soft Irish accent quiet nice on the ears.
@Zodtheimmortal
@Zodtheimmortal Жыл бұрын
We also know about accents from the working class due to spelling mistakes in their writings.
@simonroper9218
@simonroper9218 Жыл бұрын
That's true! Some of the phoneticians' descriptions are useful there too, as they often advise people on how NOT to speak (which implies that somebody was speaking that way).
@stoobydootoo4098
@stoobydootoo4098 Жыл бұрын
I believe that in Shakespearean times there could be more than one 'correct' spelling of words.
@WG55
@WG55 Жыл бұрын
@@stoobydootoo4098 In the First Folio, there were as many as three different spellings of the same word _in the same sentence._
@StillAliveAndKicking_
@StillAliveAndKicking_ Жыл бұрын
As we know English is usually a very precise representation of speech, with no ambiguity.
@asherroodcreel640
@asherroodcreel640 Жыл бұрын
​@@StillAliveAndKicking_think of all problems that would cuase, not just the lives lost and ones lived in unshakable suffering but even the numberless little miseries whole societies wouldn't even realize they felt; To me personally as someone who stuggles with being accepted, I think the worst part of it all would be because it was just the stats quo most people sense they flet weak and or slightly insulted would it defend down to the bone no matter what they had to lose or gain, even if to the outside or to history it looked as though they might as well attack the left handed
@robertstrawser1426
@robertstrawser1426 Жыл бұрын
I would also mention that looking at rhymes is a tool that is used for reconstructing pre-recording pronunciation. On example that immediately comes to mind is that, at one point “join” and “line” used to rhyme in English. Shakespeare’s work flows so much better when you hear it in a reconstruction of the, likely, original pronunciation.
@chrisinnes2128
@chrisinnes2128 11 ай бұрын
I speak an accent in which they still do
@W1LLi4m_
@W1LLi4m_ 11 ай бұрын
@@chrisinnes2128Where is that accent from?
@chrisinnes2128
@chrisinnes2128 11 ай бұрын
Fife in Scotland
@FringePrincess
@FringePrincess 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating!
@sonofculloden2
@sonofculloden2 7 ай бұрын
Shakespeare - also known as Edward de Vere.
@williambock1821
@williambock1821 Жыл бұрын
The upper classes were the only ones with enough spare time to actually think about describing how they speak. It’s fascinating and I’m glad they did !
@gerrywilliams9997
@gerrywilliams9997 Жыл бұрын
It's always helpful when someone goes to the trouble of stating the obvious.
@supertuscans9512
@supertuscans9512 Жыл бұрын
That’s while partly true isn’t entirely true. There has been academic class going back to before Bede in the 8th Century, who typically weren’t ‘upper class.
@martinledermann1862
@martinledermann1862 Жыл бұрын
The priestly class has always been more educated than the majority, yet they weren't necessarily upper-class. And they certainly had more time to study books and write down their own ruminations than the peasants working in the fields or the later factory workers.
@francisnopantses1108
@francisnopantses1108 Жыл бұрын
It's not just time but contact with other linguistic community. Chinese linguistics starts with familiarity with Sanskrit chants. What passed for Roman linguistics was under the influence of the study of Greek. And so on.
@tibzig1
@tibzig1 Жыл бұрын
"Ah...Yeeessss." Say that with an uppity and condescending tone as would Peter O' Toole!🤣🤣
@strictlyyoutube6881
@strictlyyoutube6881 11 ай бұрын
The 1873 is how people in the Ascension Islands speak. I always thought it was a butchered English accent, however now I realise it is a time capsule of what English sounded like.
@Nscladyweareamused
@Nscladyweareamused 7 ай бұрын
Almost like east coast and west coast in US
@martinherrington9499
@martinherrington9499 6 күн бұрын
Interesting. I might have expected the accent of small island populations to shift more, not less quickly than those of larger populations because a change can whiz through a small population more quickly. But maybe they are more conservative because less exposed to outside influence.
@s1nd3r3llee
@s1nd3r3llee Күн бұрын
It is interesting to hear some of. The native Outer Banks citizens of North Carolina, US, and how they sound a bit British. Their accent has not changed over time. Great video!
@ianthompson9201
@ianthompson9201 9 ай бұрын
Brilliantly analysed and very convincingly reproduced. Holding the accent stable in each clip was a masterpiece of tightrope-walking. All agog for more, though I realise that with the research that goes into work of this standard, it won't be next week!
@mesechabe
@mesechabe Жыл бұрын
I hope this becomes a tradition, a new Simon Roper video to listen to on Christmas morning. Thanks a bunch, Simon, from Louisiana.
@SopranoJoan
@SopranoJoan Жыл бұрын
What I found most revealing was that as you went back in time sounds approached French! A striking example is the French "u" sound in "nature". As you go back in time, the placement of sounds come "forward" or into a "higher" placement. I have started a KZbin project of French diction for English choirs and I have noticed that one of the biggest challenges for English singers in trying to sound French is moving the sound forward and really engaging the lips to get a French "u" and "o". Great work on the video, that's a lot of work!
@mikeno8192
@mikeno8192 Жыл бұрын
Though there would be very little reason other than coincidence for this. Other than the Norman Kings speaking old French until the 1400’s, Anglo-Saxon old English was adopted by all by the 1500’s, and was taken from the broader populace who spoke this. Most influences on accent would have been Anglo-Saxon or Norse. As was existent by the common ppl, with few if any other influences upon the nobility.
@irtnyc
@irtnyc 5 ай бұрын
​@@mikeno8192Ahh, this is strictly false. The entire aristocracy spoke French fluently for centuries (not just the kings as you assert), as would have everyone educated at either university, most trans-channel merchants in the cinque ports or most London guilds, soldiers, and of course all the inhabitants of the huge chunk of what we presently call France that WAS England. Remember they didn't lose Calais for example until after the death of Henry VIII during the reign of Mary Tudor. Her younger half brother and half sister were fluent in many languages. As were their cousins in Scotland the Stuarts who next took the throne; not least because for centuries half the aristocracy had approximately one French grandmother, or had spent about half their life fighting the French (or the Scots, who were often half French). There are MANY reasons why multiple different English (or Scottish, Irish and Welsh) accents were heavily influenced by French for centuries. For other communities, Flemish, or Dutch; or Spanish or Portuguese. This is no different than how modern English is at times affected by daily hearing American via TV and music; or modern American is affected by daily hearing Spanish in about half the country.
@user-td4do3op2d
@user-td4do3op2d Жыл бұрын
I haven’t watched this video yet and it’s already improved my Christmas! Happy Christmas, Simon. I hope you will continue to make these kinds of videos! A great example of early RP is Bertrand Russell. You can listen to many recordings of his speech. He was raised by his grandfather who was born around 1800. I’d love to hear a reconstruction of a West Country accent (or more broadly a rural southern English accent) from a few hundred years ago. There are surprisingly a lot of things we know about these accents, from poems and parts of plays in “rural” dialect, to early audio recordings. Apparently Walter Raleigh spoke in a Devonian accent which stood out at court. I don't believe anyone has ever tried to reconstruct one of these accents.
@thecaveofthedead
@thecaveofthedead Жыл бұрын
I was also thinking of his accent. You'd imagine his accent would have been much influenced by his fellow aristocratic university comrades at the end of the 19th C.
@johncorrall1739
@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын
Russell's grandfather met napoleon, he was born 1792.
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
I am the only Queen / Princess / Lady / Goddess / Leader / Star etc aka the pure / superior being (and the only being reflecting special names such as Elise / Elizabeth / Lisbeth etc) and the pure protectors aka the alphas are the only king / prince / lord / man / gentleman / lad / guy / boy etc, and we are the only upper class - all wøm’n / dudes are the exact opposite of queen / king etc and other superiority and purity terms and special names and natural related names or terms etc, and are eempure by design, and all ppl are working!
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
I am learning 15+ languages at the moment, including the prettiest languages ever created Icelandic + Norse and Dutch and Norwegian that are as pretty / refined / poetic as English and too pretty not to know, and Icelandic pronunciation and Norse pronunciation are super easy category 1 pronunciations, and Dutch pronunciation also, so I can even pronounce the new words in these languages without practicing at all, and I can naturally pronounce them without accent, so it sounds like native pronunciation, however languages such as Danish / French / German / Brazilian Portuguese / Swedish have a category 2 pronunciation and an accent that one must practice a lot to get the same sound - það er mikilvægt að læra Íslensku og FornNorrenu og Hollensku og Norsku, því þær eru alltof flottar og fullkomnar! 🇮🇸 🇳🇱 🇳🇴 🇸🇪 🇺🇸 🇩🇰 🇬🇧 🇩🇪 🇱🇺 🇮🇪 🇫🇴
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 Жыл бұрын
To improve pronunciation and accent in a new language, one must learn all the words automatically, that is, learning and revising each word many times over a period of time, until each word can be instantly processed and remembered / used automatically, and each word must be learnt with its pronunciation and spelling, so vocab videos and other videos etc are the best ways to learn new languages, and learning over 10.000 base words automatically, to get to a native speaker level! Languages such as English / Dutch / German / Danish / Welsh / Breton / French / Brazilian Portuguese use a non-relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking English or one of the other languages, the muscles involved in speaking are tensed up, and this is one of the things that give these languages that unique / modern / cool sound, so, if one is a speaker of Spanish etc and learning English, to get the right American accent, one must consciously tense up the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, and to keep practicing, until one gets the exact accent, and, if one is a speaker of English or one of the other languages and wanting to speak languages such as Spanish without an American accent, one must consciously relax the muscles involved in speaking, while imitating the exact sounds and mouth movements that natives make, as languages such as Spanish / Italian / Galician / Swedish / Norwegian and most other languages use a relaxed pronunciation, which means that when one is speaking Spanish etc, the muscles involved in speaking are kept relaxed, so it’s usually the beginning that’s the most difficult, until new speaking habits are formed, but once they are formed, it all becomes something one does automatically, so it becomes second nature, and usually the accent improves with time as one gets to a native speaker in the new language and gets more and more éxpòsure to the new language, and listening to music and learning lyrics and singing along with the singer’s voice in the background and imitating the exact sounds can also help one develop the new accent and the new speaking habits in the new language faster! For me, mouth movements don’t change much, and I can usually pronounce almost any sound or vowel sound with minimal mouth movement, except for a few sounds, such as the unique ui sound in Dutch words like huis and tuin etc, as one must make a certain mouth movement to get the exact sound, but for most sounds in general it isn’t really necessary for me to change a mouth movement, as I am used to just projecting the voice in different ways and not even making much mouth movement when I speak, as the sound itself comes from the vocab cords and is controlled by the hern technically, so I can say most letters and sounds with almost no mouth movement, but it depends on the speaker, so maybe for most speakers it is easier to make a new sound if they make the exact mouth movement that natives make!
@altralinguamusica
@altralinguamusica Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely love a period piece (film or series) in the accent of the time. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you! I have Pepys on audible and I would probably love it even more read in his accent tbh hehe
@samsowden
@samsowden 11 ай бұрын
Try the Sudbury Devil, a supernatural horror film set in late 17th century New England by KZbinr atun shei films
@scanzaroli
@scanzaroli Ай бұрын
You may not be a qualified linguistic expert Simon, but you should be! You're brilliant! Thank for these phenomenal, informative videos.
@HugoNewman
@HugoNewman Жыл бұрын
Fascinating as always! Great work. Remarkable how Irish the 1723 accent sounds.
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 11 ай бұрын
To my ear the 1673 accent sounds even more Irish, mixed in with West Country.
@Avid_Fan
@Avid_Fan 11 ай бұрын
You mean how English the Irish sounded.
@HugoNewman
@HugoNewman 11 ай бұрын
@@Avid_Fan Strange quibble, but ok! Let me rephrase: how much like a *contemporary* Irish accent the English accent of 1723 sounds.
@harrynewiss4630
@harrynewiss4630 11 ай бұрын
No it doesn't
@Ytremz
@Ytremz 11 ай бұрын
@@HugoNewman I love how you diplomatically refused to grant him that concession 😂
@Seyweld98
@Seyweld98 Жыл бұрын
A short video on the connection between old rural accents of Southern England and the Southern US would make my year.
@nedeast6845
@nedeast6845 Жыл бұрын
same here, I find it fascinating
@miriamhavard7621
@miriamhavard7621 11 ай бұрын
Yes.
@loganfinn2728
@loganfinn2728 11 ай бұрын
Already been done on this channel. Worth searching around
@Seyweld98
@Seyweld98 11 ай бұрын
​@@loganfinn2728 my recollection is that he only briefly mentioned it in a few words on his video about the West Country dialect. Every other time he mentions "American English being older" it has always been directed towards the US accent more broadly. I know for a fact that Simon has never delved into any linguistic details on American Southern accents.
@aidanrock8719
@aidanrock8719 11 ай бұрын
Not much to be said,, is there? not exactly the myth of Atlantis to untangle, rich british people went to america and bought slaves, the south is born
@maryhamric
@maryhamric Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating! THANK YOU for this video. It helps me understand so much
@RockyColaFizz
@RockyColaFizz 10 ай бұрын
You nailed the accent. When I was there in 1704, it was just like that. Great job!
@shrimpflea
@shrimpflea 8 ай бұрын
Everybody's a comedian.
@danielburger1775
@danielburger1775 8 ай бұрын
​@@shrimpfleaexcept you
@X9xredgkoa
@X9xredgkoa 8 ай бұрын
cringe ahh comment
@Dante1920
@Dante1920 8 ай бұрын
​@@shrimpfleaHow do you know he's not a time traveler?
@GiliGulu1969
@GiliGulu1969 7 ай бұрын
There's a very interesting video about how English pronunciation has changed using the text of Shakespeare and other texts, by examining homonyms, puns, and rhyming patterns, so words that used to sound the same but don't any more. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5rFnYWJps1_ZpY
@SreevatsaKota
@SreevatsaKota 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant video; thanks, Mr Roper. Best wishes
@softpawsasmr
@softpawsasmr Жыл бұрын
Fascinating!It would be really neat if you made a video of all of these speakers from each era each saying a few words, or a line, in their accent, one right after the other so we could hear the shifting sounds side by side...if that makes sense❤ Great job!! I love learning about accents so much!!
@romano-gatto
@romano-gatto Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and illuminating! In terms of the surprisingly west country or Irish sound (to modern ears) the further back you go. But also the explanation of how we know how the earlier accents (beyond recorded audio) would have sounded with some accuracy. Thank-you for putting this video together - hope you had a wonderful Christmas with what was left your day - wish you a happy new year too 👍.
@quamne
@quamne Жыл бұрын
you never fail to deliver
@AnGhaeilge
@AnGhaeilge 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. Some of those sounds do indeed sound very natural here in Ireland. Our own language had a heavy influence on how we speak English. The lack of the th sound in most regions we think comes from the lack of the sound in the Irish language. Our word for three (trí) sounds the same as how we pronounce the word in English for example. But much like English, our language has definitely changed over time. Once example is the use of the slender r in Irish, which is less common in the younger generation. Anyways, wonderful video. Earned a sub :)
@NeuroPOP1
@NeuroPOP1 11 ай бұрын
I’m a linguist with a cognitive neuroscience PhD and I have no idea why this video ended up in my feed but I loved it.
@justlivinglife465
@justlivinglife465 Жыл бұрын
Expertise and experience doesn’t necessarily have to be formal- you clearly know your stuff and it’s all very interesting. I did modern languages at Oxford and there was a bit of linguistics involved, but nothing like this advanced! Your ability to fluently do all these accents is also quite amazing!
@MacNab23
@MacNab23 Жыл бұрын
Wes þu hál! Glæd Gēol! I love these evolutionary videos. English accents are truly fascinating to me. I am an American with an upland Southern accent, but raised in part by midland English grandparents. My speech patterns reflect both, with results that Englishmen seem to immediately recognise, but my fellow Southerners find weird or slightly pretentious, lol. Keep up the great work, Mr. Roper, and may all go well for you.
@zeddeka
@zeddeka Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to imagine what that would sound like and can only think of Blanche from the Golden Girls :-)))
@richardh8082
@richardh8082 Жыл бұрын
@MacNab23 Be thou hail! Happy Yule!
@josephsolowyk7697
@josephsolowyk7697 Жыл бұрын
America: 350 million people, 6 accents.
@SamUrtonDesign
@SamUrtonDesign Жыл бұрын
@@josephsolowyk7697 What? Not really - a bit more than that. LOL!
@josephsolowyk7697
@josephsolowyk7697 Жыл бұрын
It's just a joke man, for the size of the country and the number of people though there are very few accents. @@SamUrtonDesign
@petehealy9819
@petehealy9819 Жыл бұрын
Another fascinating deep-dive! Thank you, and Best Wishes for the New Year from Kentucky!
@simonroper9218
@simonroper9218 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind words :) Best wishes to you, too!
@soulieobelissevan
@soulieobelissevan 3 ай бұрын
Daym loving these accents!! Thank you!!
@s1nd3r3llee
@s1nd3r3llee Күн бұрын
This is amazing! You’re a genius IMO. What wonderful work you are doing. This is so important for us to know our language history. Appreciate you!
@Moccason
@Moccason Жыл бұрын
The 1700s dialects sound remarkably similar to the slightly old-fashioned rural Dorset accent such as the one my grandparents used to possess. (Edit: ha! You called it in the very next sentence) Very interesting! Thank you for your hard work.
@joaovictorcarvalho6339
@joaovictorcarvalho6339 Жыл бұрын
i haven’t watched a video of yours in a while and the quality of the visuals and scenario have really improved!! great video!
@RheaDawnLanguage
@RheaDawnLanguage Жыл бұрын
This is my favourite flavour of Simon Roper video!! What a great Christmas present :) I wanna make videos like this one day, but the sheer amount of work it takes has stopped me from beginning such a project...
@Garage-uj7pv
@Garage-uj7pv 8 ай бұрын
Simon I clicked on this a bit sceptical but the depth and accuracy of your analysis kicks ass, thanks my man
@danja7691
@danja7691 10 ай бұрын
Hello, American here ... 🙂 It goes both ways. During the Coviid lockdowns of 2020-2021, American children watched SO much Peppa Pig while on lockdown, their parents reported them developing British accents! 😮
@melissasaint3283
@melissasaint3283 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, that totally happened 😂 even prior to that, preschoolers who were very fond of it were picking up her accent
@Allegro_Giusto
@Allegro_Giusto 8 ай бұрын
I’m English and my nephew at 3 pronounces some words the American way because of tv 😂
@backwardsbandit8094
@backwardsbandit8094 8 ай бұрын
Damn.... Peppa pig sucks.
@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13
@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13 8 ай бұрын
LOLS 😂😂
@aaehguf
@aaehguf 8 ай бұрын
​@@melissasaint3283yeah this was already happening before the rona happened
@myriamm9917
@myriamm9917 Жыл бұрын
I'm reconstituting a parisian accent in late-18th century from English-speaking books. It's a blast. Your videos are what really made me want to become a historian of linguistics and phonetics. You're a gem❤❤
@Arouet7174
@Arouet7174 Жыл бұрын
This sounds incredibly interesting! I am deeply studying these days the works of Voltaire and am often amazed by how modern his written French seems when compared with the difference in the English language of the era and what we have today. Was the Parisian accent of this time markedly different to today? (besides I suppose the obvious differences such as 'bof' and 'kiff' haha). To know this would be a step closer to hearing Voltaire's voice itself!
@jonathanrice1070
@jonathanrice1070 Жыл бұрын
I’ve read that Quebecois French is like a time capsule of 17th century French. Does the same hold true of the Quebec accent as well?
@myriamm9917
@myriamm9917 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanrice1070 I would say it's true, to the extent that if I were to meet Molière and if I had to give my subjective impression of his accent, I'd say he sounded like a Québecois. But a modern-day Québec speaker would probably disagree :)
@myriamm9917
@myriamm9917 Жыл бұрын
@@Arouet7174 I believe the Parisian accent really changed in late-18th century! The "oi" sounds would be read "oé' instead of today's "wa". So "je crois", would be "je croé" which sounds irremediably old and foreign to me! Most final consonants were silent, like the final "r" in "finir, dormir, loisir, plaisir"; some were later reactivated.
@Chris-mf1rm
@Chris-mf1rm Жыл бұрын
@@myriamm9917was this accent change the result of the Revolution? Fewer aristocracy left and a more meritocratic society, with ‘commoners’ in more prominent positions?
@__seeker__
@__seeker__ Жыл бұрын
Simon, another great video. Thank you! My family has lived in New England for the last four centuries, and it fascinates me to read old hymns and poems from my area throughout the ages. You can tell a lot about how they spoke based on the rhymes they made. For example, Thoreau rhymed “dawn” with “forlorn” and that speaks to an old Yankee accent most people no longer have in my area except the very elderly like my 90 year old grandmother.
@fredericksmith7942
@fredericksmith7942 7 ай бұрын
Fowa lawn.
@gulagchampxd
@gulagchampxd 5 ай бұрын
new england accent≠boston accent, people still talk in accents that rhyme those words, you most likely are just not from eastern MA
@oculii1
@oculii1 Жыл бұрын
I admire your dedication to the fascination subject of our shared language; keep up the great work! All the best for the New Year.
@Tennman653
@Tennman653 Ай бұрын
I am tenth generation US southerner and have a British son in law. In my many trips to the UK I have noticed many similarities between English pronunciations and southern Americans.
@mygirldarby
@mygirldarby 6 күн бұрын
I was just about to post about this! Sometimes, when a Southerner first starts speaking, I think it is a British person. I'm from the Southeast and have never heard anyone else make this connection!
@josephkawalski8914
@josephkawalski8914 6 күн бұрын
Go to the Outter Banks/ Down East North Carolina. They sound just like that 1773 accent IMHO. Which I suspected. It's called Hoi Toid or High Tide brogue.
@CrankyBeach
@CrankyBeach 11 ай бұрын
In 1978 I visited England for the first time. I was traveling with a friend. Both of us were born and raised in California. During one ride aboard the Tube, we found ourselves chatting with a group of students from Atlanta, Georgia. An English woman riding near us remarked that she just loved listening to our accent. Which one, we asked her. And discovered that she could not distinguish that we had markedly different accents.
@radwald189
@radwald189 11 ай бұрын
Englishman here, all American accents sound the same to me apart from Texan and millennial girls from California are easy to recognise.
@averyintelligence
@averyintelligence 10 ай бұрын
Yeah. To me it's either strong new York accent (cwwwoffee), Cali girls with the vocal fry "avarrrrcarrrrdoooowwwwwwwwww" or texan "working nine till five". No other American accents exist to me. The cali girls speak so slowly too is what I noticed. Takes 3 seconds for them to say Avocado ​@@radwald189
@fiction8909
@fiction8909 8 ай бұрын
Yes, we have stupid people in Britain too... :P But that's rare. 30 years ago I could have told you the difference not only state to state, and big city to city, but even (and easily) the difference between Raleigh and Charlotte NC, or Macon and Atlanta Georgia. And I'd never set foot in America, and have no musical ear. Now that I've seen half the world I think the inability to hear or notice is a measure of the level of comfort - the more comfortable and under control one's life is, the narrower the range of noticing anything. People in poorer countries with less comfortable lives are switched on to every detail. Dickens noticed this, so too Steinbeck and many others. I'm sure you've read Cannery Row - I fancy Mack and the boys would have noticed every detail of a situation that an affluent gentleman of those times would not have seen. In the same way children - less regimented and so less able to predict their lives - are constantly alert to sound. I find hearing 'hearing' foreign languages much harder now simply because I don't have to - before everyone spoke English or had a translate app, we listened with far greater attention. Just as we navigated with far greater attention before Google maps. But affluent people of my experience never listened well, because they expected not to have to, the speaker would make the effort for them.
@TheRealMycanthrope
@TheRealMycanthrope 8 ай бұрын
​@@fiction8909really? State to state, big cities and even more specific regional accents? Despite never having set foot in the US at the time? You're gonna have to explain that one, because it sounds very questionable as-is.
@israeladesanya4596
@israeladesanya4596 8 ай бұрын
They are massively different.
@tdr.220
@tdr.220 Жыл бұрын
I wish you could train actors to perfect these accents when attempting to play historical characters or when portraying certain eras.
@simonroper9218
@simonroper9218 Жыл бұрын
I agree, it would be exciting if this kind of thing was incorporated into period dramas more! Although I understand how difficult it would be to train actors to reproduce the accents.
@r_bear
@r_bear Жыл бұрын
Thinking about The Witch here 🙏
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter Жыл бұрын
​@@bruhwhateverokThey could do it. Actors learn other accents and different ways of talking all the time. British actors with American accents and vice versa, other country's accents as well. Playing a mentally disabled person, aliens, weird people etc. Voice actors totally change their voices all the time. I really don't see the problem since it's so common in acting to totally change your accent and way of talking.
@WingsTM
@WingsTM Жыл бұрын
@@r_bearthat movie was great and very unique for that reason
@musical3lottie
@musical3lottie Жыл бұрын
​​@@dickJohnsonpeter Actors tend to learn accents that they have heard and can listen to. It would be difficult, if not impossible, to find an accent surviving today that has the exact combination of features and vowel sounds of the older accents. And nondisabled actors should not be playing disabled characters (physically or mentally).
@NjorunsDream
@NjorunsDream Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating information! Subscribed!
@BernardWilkinson
@BernardWilkinson Жыл бұрын
Simon as a Lancastrian I would be really interested hearing your take on the Northern working class accents through the ages.
@kidcreole9421
@kidcreole9421 11 ай бұрын
I know from listening to my great aunts who were born in the 1920s and listening to people today how different our Prestonian-Lanky accent has changed in sound and pronunciation. We've lost many of the old words today that no one speaks today too
@SunofYork
@SunofYork 7 ай бұрын
@@kidcreole9421 My mother in law was from "Barlick" , Lancs, and me from Otley, Yorkshire. I am a Fred DIbnah fan so I am almost bilingual !
@irtnyc
@irtnyc 5 ай бұрын
​​@@SunofYorkYeah this has happened in New England working (and middle) class too. They were quite strong and varied by town nevermind county even as recently as 40 years ago. That is greatly homogenized now. Shame. It's the TV and all the more moving around. People used to spend their entire lives within ten miles of the place they were born (unless there were a war on) hearing 95% of people speak with same accent all day every day. Now we all hear about 95 different accents per day. To oversimplify. I feel like this is accelerating (perhaps because of the internet as compared to TV? Dunno) and audible as a change even in our lifetimes. Lancashire and Yorkshire working class accents both seemed MUCH stronger in the 90s than they do now. Of course they were newer to me at the time but I don't think that's it. Welsh accents seem about the same then as now. Is there a general collapse/regression of English regional working class accents towards some "centroid" or do they still sound as distinct from each other to you now as they would have to your grandparents (whom I think you're saying above you sound/hear different from). Thoughts? Ps. Simon's channel has the best commentators and community vibe of all KZbin, IMHO.
@SunofYork
@SunofYork 4 ай бұрын
@@irtnyc Yes strong accents are being diluted and that is good thing... Many are born of ignorance...
@kathrynt.3710
@kathrynt.3710 11 ай бұрын
9:37 This long vowel in "often" makes the "often"/"orphan" joke in Gilbert and Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance (1879) make a lot more sense. With this accent, both would've been pronounced [ɔːfn̩] (the n is syllabic, but the diacritic isn't showing up on the comment), causing the mix-up that happens in the joke. More modern performances often realize it as [ɔfn̩] vs [ɔːfn̩], or something like that, making a little less sense, or switch from a more modern accent in the rest of the show to an older one for that one scene.
@Miarakian
@Miarakian 10 ай бұрын
gosh this throws poetry reading into a whole new light for me. With all these different sounds, no wonder its hard to find the rhyme sometimes! Cool!
@DaveHuxtableLanguages
@DaveHuxtableLanguages Жыл бұрын
I think this may well be my new second favourite video on KZbin. My absolute favourite is still your London English one. Amazing work. Well done!
@simonroper9218
@simonroper9218 Жыл бұрын
That's very kind, especially coming from somebody whose videos I've enjoyed and learnt from! Thank you very much :)
@DaveHuxtableLanguages
@DaveHuxtableLanguages Жыл бұрын
@@simonroper9218 Wow! That totally made my day, which is quite an achievement since the toilet overflowed and water dripped through two ceilings!
@freepagan
@freepagan Жыл бұрын
Wow, love these accents 😍! And great info. Cheers from the US, Simon.
@scifilover6056
@scifilover6056 Жыл бұрын
I am originally from the northeastern USA, Massachusetts, New York, & New Jersey. I moved to the southern US quite a few years ago, and I noticed something when I first arrived. Whenever I found myself in a crowd of people, I kept hearing British accents. It took me a while to realize that I was hearing Southern accents and not people from the UK. I learned that certain Southern US accents are quite similar to some British accents. Since that time, I always listen for similarities in vowel sounds between the British and Americans. I've occasionally even noticed some similarities between the distinctive Eastern New England accent and certain British accents, although not nearly as often as similarities with Southern US accents.
@dracodistortion9447
@dracodistortion9447 Жыл бұрын
I'm from upstate western New York. Sometimes i cannot tell Irish folks apart from UNY folks. Though it depends on the Irishman. But some Irish accents sound no different from my own
@missmoonstone6260
@missmoonstone6260 Жыл бұрын
I have always lived in Massachusetts. Years ago when I was a flight attendant working a flight that started in Alabama, a little girl asked me if I was from England. Her mom said I sounded English too. I don’t hear it at all. I took a voice and articulation class in college to help correct my obnoxious Boston accent.Compared to my friends and family I sound more like I’m from California.
@jimclayson
@jimclayson Жыл бұрын
Regional accents in the USA are myriad. In the south, there's often a strong Scottish influence. In the northeast, it's Irish. In the mid-west, it's German. In the Dakotas, it's Norwegian. Spanish is everywhere, particularly in California, and there's a pseudo-French influence in Louisiana. New York has a bizarre mix of accents. Yiddish words and phrases used to be fairly common in entertainment. These have all shifted over the decades and centuries, largely following immigration and migration patterns, but if you listen, the linguistic similarities can often be heard. Now, with the increased saturation of audibly spoken English in modern culture, linguistic distinctions are fading and we're all starting to sound the same.
@martinistakis1825
@martinistakis1825 Жыл бұрын
​@@jimclaysonWhen I watched Making a Murderer on Netflix I was astonished at the amount of Scottish intonations that I heard.
@letitiajeavons6333
@letitiajeavons6333 Жыл бұрын
Are there a lot of Irish Americans in the area?​@@dracodistortion9447
@jojoy1191
@jojoy1191 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Thankyou for sharing x
@EugenesEnglish
@EugenesEnglish 6 ай бұрын
Great job as always, Simon
@RandomGuyyy
@RandomGuyyy Жыл бұрын
So true, it's hard to not 'place' these centuries-old accents with a modern ear.
@wolf1066
@wolf1066 9 ай бұрын
I'd say "impossible". Or maybe it's just impossible for _me_ to not 'place' the accents.
@ElfieBrown-i6s
@ElfieBrown-i6s Жыл бұрын
What a wonderfully educational video! Thank you Simon 😊
@thatotherted3555
@thatotherted3555 Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! The observations about how past upper-class pronunciations may be perceived now as lower-class or rural lends substance to the saying that "the past is a foreign country."
@doveboyz857
@doveboyz857 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, Happy Christmas ⛄!
@wolf1066
@wolf1066 9 ай бұрын
This is an awesome resource, thanks. I'm from New Zealand, but growing up with Irish friends and watching a lot of UK shows, I definitely put some of the earlier accents into the "vaguely Irish/West Country/Rustic" box.
@MixerRenegade95
@MixerRenegade95 Жыл бұрын
Audag Jiul Simon, jah bi god Niujer haban! Thanks for all that you've done and I hope for more Animals and Old English, so far it's really good.
@OnkelPeters
@OnkelPeters Жыл бұрын
Gleðileg jól!
@MixerRenegade95
@MixerRenegade95 Жыл бұрын
Sama at Thu jah audag Niujer!@@OnkelPeters
@nigelsouthworth5577
@nigelsouthworth5577 Жыл бұрын
Hello Simon. May I thank you for this very interesting video. I find the content so very interesting. I wish you a peaceful season. I am now going awwwf to the pub 🍻
@paulprice007
@paulprice007 Жыл бұрын
Compelling and informative, as always!
@stephenhall3515
@stephenhall3515 2 ай бұрын
This is quite simply excellent and I look forward to searching the rest. I have subscribed.
@swanaldronson7615
@swanaldronson7615 6 ай бұрын
Once again KZbin knows exactly what to suggest… this topic has fascinated me for an age and this video is excellent!
@marcusaurelius4941
@marcusaurelius4941 Жыл бұрын
Many people throughout many of your videos have pointed out how good you are at the "reading it aloud authentically" stuff. It would be such a treat to hear an A.Z. Foreman-esque reading of a 17th century poem or something from you
@HelenM1994
@HelenM1994 Жыл бұрын
Oddly, I feel like I have heard the 1823 accent, and I don't know how if it is one that has "died out". The 1773 sounded more rural more so than American, but I did hear a bit of Irish-esque in it too, and the last few certainly were more rural, and almost Irish-esque. Very interesting! It is a shame to not know how the working class people spoke too. Where I am, we still use Old English words (or did, before the late 20th/early 21st centuries), but when did the dialect form totally. It's so interesting!
@gabrielcoventry4586
@gabrielcoventry4586 Жыл бұрын
The 1600s one sounded very Germanic, I could have been fooled into thinking it was a modern Dutch accent. We use a lot of old English words still in the north east of England as well and even a couple words that are adjacent to danish for example “garn hyem” for “going home” where “gar hjem” in danish would be to walk home
@ryuuakiyama3958
@ryuuakiyama3958 Жыл бұрын
Also, with regards to the ending -in in place of -ing, I believe this is actually understood to descend from a variant Middle English form in -inde, -ende, as opposed to the more frequent one in -inge, -enge (note how German has endings -ung and -end still).
@josephsolowyk7697
@josephsolowyk7697 Жыл бұрын
Some English accents say "ink" or even "it" or "ih". The Cockney "something" is pronounced "sum-ih".
@leod-sigefast
@leod-sigefast Жыл бұрын
In traditional Scots they still used the Old English -end/ -and as the gerundive suffix, rather than modern English -ing.
@ryuuakiyama3958
@ryuuakiyama3958 Жыл бұрын
@@leod-sigefast Ah, interesting, I don't know very much about Scots, but I tend to think, hearing it, that it sounds much closer to our reconstructions of Middle English than the usual Modern Englishes do.
@josephsolowyk7697
@josephsolowyk7697 Жыл бұрын
I've lived in Edinburgh and I haven't heard them say Summend or Summind for something, do you have any examples you have heard? @@leod-sigefast
@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st
@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st Жыл бұрын
@@ryuuakiyama3958 Isn't Middle English transitioning from Old English which is very German like ? And Scottish would be a Celtic origin ? or no - where I live the Irish Catholics look like brother and sister to the Scottish Protestants -more freckles and red hair type thing and that seems that shows a Gaelic or Celtic origin giving a whole weird accent if forced to adopt Germanic English - and what of the Viking influence ?
@tk2300
@tk2300 6 ай бұрын
This is such a fascinating video. To hear the evolution of our language, not only in the pronunciation, but the structure of sentences and also the vocabulary.
@MsAlabama79
@MsAlabama79 6 күн бұрын
I came across your channel by accident - really fascinating stuff, thank you.
@ajs41
@ajs41 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon, and Merry Christmas.
@Hellsprite67
@Hellsprite67 Жыл бұрын
Find your videos very fascinating, Simon. Hello from New Zealand 🖐
@BFDT-4
@BFDT-4 Жыл бұрын
So, now having watched from the beginning [and just now, seeing the examples AFTER writing, hehe], I wonder if there would be, as in 1723, a distinction between how people speak extemporaneously or how they read out loud, as in the words: person, nature, etc. A literate person may speak as they read out loud, but in a situation where they are speaking extemporaneously, would some of the 1723 pronunciations not be as extreme? This video is very intriguing! And helpful in terms of teaching English pronunciation for North American or British contexts. -- Thanks!
@scottboelke4391
@scottboelke4391 3 ай бұрын
Huge thumbs up for your heads up in the first few seconds! You have made a fan! Giving us the exact point when the subject is addressed.
@HammondM102.72
@HammondM102.72 9 ай бұрын
i like how it slowly becomes irish
@leod-sigefast
@leod-sigefast 8 ай бұрын
Or moreso the Irish learnt 'posh' 17th/18th century English accents at the time...and then never changed!
@thomascleveland
@thomascleveland Жыл бұрын
That's amazing. I've noticed a few of the older vowel sounds you used when I talk to Amish people. Maybe their isolation has kept some of those sounds alive into today.
@Levi-2000
@Levi-2000 Жыл бұрын
They speak a German dialect it's just an accent from german
@thomascleveland
@thomascleveland Жыл бұрын
@@Levi-2000 They're english doesn't sound like a modern German accent in emglish. Its got some features of midwestern "don't ya know" accent with hints of Appalachian and I know this is gonna sound wierd but New Foundland accent.
@raor5818
@raor5818 Жыл бұрын
I heard a distinctive accent among folks in York PA . I dont really know if its closer to the Newfoundland accent or Appalachian. But this accent is distictive and the local German or polish or italian ancestry folk are incapable of it . Its likely only spoken by folk with a lineage to British Isles.
@fugithegreat
@fugithegreat Жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed by your ability to recreate these sounds. You sound like an entirely different person.
@Azeria
@Azeria Жыл бұрын
The other issue with that myth is that it implies American English has either not changed, or changed less than British English, and as far as I’m aware that simply isn’t true. While informative and a great video, the biggest surprise of this for me was that ntlworld emails still work, nice to see one still operational!
@kboom4464
@kboom4464 Жыл бұрын
Lol. 🎉
@nettowaku1252
@nettowaku1252 10 ай бұрын
It’s more of a misunderstood encapsulated with patriotism that believing George Washington came before RP invented therefore he speaks like current American when in fact it’s not true. People who speaks in Wyoming are different from people who speaks in New York or California, meaning there’s no “True” American accent that mirrors Pre-RP British accent anymore as it slowly changing over time especially when the country is nearing 250th anniversary. It’s same as how RP are assumed to be the the only British accent when in fact most of the population have various dialects in each county and rarely ever speak in RP.
@JonnyZye
@JonnyZye 11 ай бұрын
Truly fascinating good sir. Thank you for this video!
@joshthalheimer
@joshthalheimer 17 күн бұрын
great work... as always. Thank You.
@sahulianhooligan7046
@sahulianhooligan7046 Жыл бұрын
You can kinda pinpoint the loss of rhoticity in British English by comparing the British colonization of Jamaica vs Australia. Jamaica was colonised in 1655, and Australia in 1788. The Jamaican accent contains rhoticity, an indication of what British speakers sounded like in 1655, whereas Australians don't pronounce r like their modern British counterparts, an indication of the loss of the rhoticity in the British English language by 1788.
@alinoo1
@alinoo1 Жыл бұрын
In the case of Jamaica, the rhoticity actually comes from the Irish. Jamaican Patois originates from the Irish indentured servants teaching the African slaves how to speak English. The largest ethnic group behind black African on Jamaica is white Irish.
@sallywilliams421
@sallywilliams421 Жыл бұрын
Irish slaves were sent to the Carribean to work the sugar fields and build industry but it was too hot for them to work..then came the African slaves who learned to speak English..with an Irish accent. At least this was the story told to me in Barbados
@travvydub
@travvydub Жыл бұрын
I knooooooeeerrr
@LabelsAreMeaningless
@LabelsAreMeaningless Жыл бұрын
They were formed in very different ways, influenced by a very different class. That is the reason. The influence of prisoners and guards is far different than the influence of the well educated upper class. The problem with these theories being played with is that they're ignoring what created the accents in the first place. Level of education in communities. Less education, more slang and twists on words they've heard said but never studied the proper use of..the written word vs what people hear from a distance. Terms blend together, letters get dropped. It becomes functional for that area instead of following a set guideline.
@badcornflakes6374
@badcornflakes6374 Жыл бұрын
9:52
@stephanieparker1250
@stephanieparker1250 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic accents! Must have been a lot of practice! ❤🎉
@MrVvulf
@MrVvulf Жыл бұрын
Your 1923 accent reminded me a great deal of the RP I heard living in the Cotswolds during the 1970s. Obviously not the "Ohh Arr" southwestern regional dialect of regular folk, but the RP speakers.
@karenramstedt4614
@karenramstedt4614 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! This was wonderful.
@angradu8886
@angradu8886 5 күн бұрын
Thank you Simon, very good video
@jaojao1768
@jaojao1768 Жыл бұрын
Would love to hear your readings of more works in their contemporary pronunciation! Austen, Carlyle, or De Quincey would be lovely in the 1820s one, as would (like you did with Tristram Shandy) Pope, Johnson, or Gibbon in the 18th century accent!
@sirsytham1588
@sirsytham1588 9 ай бұрын
Yes good idea !!
@nanwuamitofo
@nanwuamitofo 7 ай бұрын
That'd be awesome!
@athousandplateaus6598
@athousandplateaus6598 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to demonstrate these accents for us! It must have been an incredibly difficult task because the differences in the pronunciations of vowels and consonants is so subtle. The final accent sounded like a combination of an American and an Irish accent. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!
@J.Strantz
@J.Strantz Жыл бұрын
I really like that 1923 accent. 😅 6:40 (That weird pronunciation of "Nature" sounds kinda like a modern norweigan person speaking english) 16:45 Cheers. Happy new year! 🥳🇺🇲
@jmburde656
@jmburde656 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making this wonderful video!
@stevenmccarthy7039
@stevenmccarthy7039 7 ай бұрын
Fascinating! We moved from the SE (Kent, although I grew up in Berkshire/Oxfordshire areas) to the West Country about 25 years ago and the 1773 accent you do is probably the closest I can hear to born and bred Somerset speakers now. Still, even the earlier accents can still be heard pretty much around here, depending on the area of Somerset you visit.
@Purwapada
@Purwapada Жыл бұрын
i wish they'd do shakespeare movies pronounced how it was in his day. And with historically accurate costumes
@supertuscans9512
@supertuscans9512 Жыл бұрын
They do on occasion at the Globe Theatre, London. There’s a YT video about it. What’s interesting is that if spoken in the original there are a lot of Pins and jokes that simply don’t work in RP.
@Purwapada
@Purwapada Жыл бұрын
@@supertuscans9512 or right I'll have a look thanks
@kernowforester811
@kernowforester811 11 ай бұрын
If they got actors doing modern Somerset accents, maybe even Devon accents (they are not the exactly the same), I am sure the English of London in the early 17th C would understand it better.
@joesalyers
@joesalyers 11 ай бұрын
I remember in the 1990s when Rural Kentucky & West Virginia speakers used the same accent as inner city Los Angeles. The only difference was the pitch. My grandmother could decode their speech better than I could when watching TV, which I found fascinating at the time since she was in her late 70s. The people in LA used similar words and phrases as the WW2 generation in Rural Appalachia all be it at a lower pitch and less southern twang. It was so uncanny that they had to have sprung from the same area at some point. I know many families in Eastern Kentucky came to America as indentured servants like my family was until the civil war and left the south and settled in the Appalachian mountain areas after the war.
@binxbolling
@binxbolling 21 күн бұрын
"Inner city" implies black.
@joesalyers
@joesalyers 21 күн бұрын
@@binxbolling No, I'm not implying it's not only black but mostly. Many other types of people from other ethnicities have also picked up on the accent. I think Thomas Sowell get 90% of it correct in his book titled "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". But I think his misses the dynamic of families both black and white who ran away or left slavery and servitude together after the civil war. Many of those people remained close. My 4x great grandmother ran away as an indentured servant with a slave names Moses. Moses and my 4x great grandmother settled on land adjacent to each other after they ran away in years leading up to the Civil War. They stole a horse and a small wagon after her husband was killed, so it was her and her children and Moses. The left Virginia and went to Kentucky about 25 miles away (which back then would have been like 200 miles in a car today). Kentucky was neutral so they settled, mot of my family stayed their while Moses family stayed until the 1940s when they went to north to work in factories during the war. But I think the accent followed and split after the civil war. So its not a quote "race" thing being implied, but making it complexly about race it actually hinders the historical context of where these accents come from and learning about shared histories we have. Sure many black Americans use a southern draw in their speech patterns not native to the wider population they are in such as LA during the 1990s. So where did it come from? Most likely it is still a hold over of the 1700 & 1800s in American rural accents.
@MFLimited
@MFLimited 21 күн бұрын
it’s wonderful how honest you are about your qualifications (which are impressive). There are so many American people online that say they are “real doctors“ and give medical advice when they actually have doctorates in completely different things. Like a PhD in mathematics, maybe a PhD in Chiropractic or a doctor of chiropractic degree (DC), but that’s not Medical. I often hear people say “British people used to sound Americans“. I have even heard that set of a West country accent, I guess because of the flatter more nasal vowels. But that does not make a modern American accent.
@ruthm4749
@ruthm4749 6 ай бұрын
I'm watching your video,and took my eyes off the screen, while you were playing a quote at timestamp about 11:30. Just as you were pronouncing the part of Canterbury, the voice reminded me of Earl Hamner, the narrator on the TV series the Waltons. It sounded so much like how he narrated the show. It was a story based on his life growing up in Schyler - Jefferson County VA in the 1930's.
@princessofarchetypes3870
@princessofarchetypes3870 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you for your channel. I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and for someone with a very distinct "Pittsburghese" accent - I find your channel worthwhile. I'm learning so much. Thank you.
@drychaf
@drychaf Жыл бұрын
I'm jealous we haven't got a Seimon Rhaffwr ( a Welsh version of yourself!). Interesting stuff. Nadolig Llawen / Merry Christmas.
@FionaEm
@FionaEm Жыл бұрын
That was fascinating 😊 I thought the 1600s and 1700s accent would be a lot harder to understand. As for the tapped r, I'm Australian and I remember a few middle-aged teachers who used it in the 1980s, but I thought it was affectatious rather than working class! I don't know anyone who'd speak that way now.
@Spr1ggan87
@Spr1ggan87 11 ай бұрын
It's basically the stereotypical pirate accent though, why would it be a lot harder to understand?
@riverthoughts2400
@riverthoughts2400 Жыл бұрын
I find this subject SO interesting!! I think it's similar with the Quebecois accent being what Old French used to sound like!
@johndenugent4185
@johndenugent4185 Жыл бұрын
Yes. but Quebecois is ghastly. It is just not beautiful. I am glad the French in France dumped many of those old sounds.
@FluffyLambchops
@FluffyLambchops 11 ай бұрын
I love your videos, the changes of language is such a brilliant hobby
@lianaaustin1963
@lianaaustin1963 12 күн бұрын
Wow this is such a fascinating interesting subject , thank you for sharing ,
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