Simple Question, Long Analysis.

[@TheYgds]

This was a question I had a lot of trouble answering on my mission two decades ago, when I'd encounter members of the "Church of Christ" (the ones that don't allow musical instruments in church services). Thank you for the detailed lay out of how to handle it.

[@TheGreatVonBron]

Where is that poster in the background from?

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

@@TheGreatVonBron, a now defunct website. "Planofsalvationposters"

[@joeriv4151]

Great presentation 🏴‍☠️ Any more book recommendations? So far I have , “The Bible with and without Jesus”, “Grace by allegiance alone” and “the invention of the inspired text” anymore?

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

@joeriv4151 , so many. Bart Erhman's New Testament is excellent (his text book). I would also encourage, "How We Got the Bible" by Lightfoot and "The History of the Bible" by Barton. NT Wright's "Paul" is also good and helps understand the author of so much of the NT.

[@joeriv4151]

@ consider them bought! I appreciate it. Yea I’ve been listening to Erhman’s podcast recently it’s very informative. Your approach to your discussions have been a game changer for my personal study approach and a great thought experiment for me. 👍🏼 🏴‍☠️

[@savsmaster4183]

Hey Travis, my mom listens to the Come Back Podcast. I know that in your case you left the Church for a while and was an atheist. I want my mom to be able to hear your story so could you if you’re willing to, go on that podcast and tell the story of your faith journey?

[@My_Personal_Taste]

Epic

[@Thirty-ThreeDegrees]

If I close my eyes, it sounds like I'm listening to that one guy you're obsessed with, I think he's names Paul G. Oh, the irony.

[@luizaraos.soteroluiz5327]

Hello, brother. I've been asked a question that I couldn't answer properly. "Why do you keep the Sunday if the Lord says in the scriptures to keep the seventh day? Apparently, there is no revelation in the Bible to change the day." Thank you.

[@savsmaster4183]

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath can be on any day of the week, so long as we keep it once every 7 days as a day of rest and a day for the Lord. For example, Wards in Middle Eastern Countries do the Sabbath on a Friday. You can fact check me by looking up “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Bahrain”, and then going under the history tab, and in there you’ll find a sentence that reads: “Church services in the Arabian Peninsula are typically held on a Friday, the Muslim Holy day.”

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

The analysis of that question is the same as in this segment.

[@savsmaster4183]

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath can be held on any day of the week, so long as it is kept as a day of rest, and a day dedicated to the Lord. For example, Wards in the Middle East do the Sabbath on Friday instead of Sunday. You can fact check me by looking up “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Bahrain”, and then click on that Wikipedia article and go under the history tab and scroll down, when you do so you’ll find a sentence that reads: “Church Services in the Arabian Peninsula are typically held on a Friday, the Muslim Holy day.”

[@TyleRMatin6532]

Latter-day Saints observe the Sabbath on Sunday rather than Saturday for several theological and historical reasons, aligning with the broader Christian tradition. Here’s a general recap: Resurrection of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints, like most Christians, observe the Sabbath on Sunday because it commemorates the day of Jesus Christ’s resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week (Sunday). This event is seen as the fulfillment of God’s plan for salvation, making Sunday a day of worship and celebration in honor of Christ’s victory over sin and death (see Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2). Jesus Fulfilled the Old Law In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” Many Christians, including Latter-day Saints, believe that Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament (Mosaic) law, which included strict Saturday Sabbath observance. His resurrection signaled a new covenant, where the spirit of the law (worship and devotion to God) superseded the letter of the law. Apostolic Tradition After Christ’s resurrection, the early Christian church shifted Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday to honor this pivotal event. Biblical references, such as in Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2, suggest that early Christians gathered for worship and breaking bread on the first day of the week. Revelation to Modern Prophets/ Authority to Change Latter-day Saints believe in ongoing revelation through prophets. In alignment with the Christian tradition and the early restoration of the Church, LDS leaders designated Sunday as the Sabbath day. Doctrine and Covenants 59:9-10 emphasizes the importance of worshipping God and keeping the Sabbath holy without specifying a particular day, leaving it consistent with Sunday observance. • The Bible shows that God’s laws can be adjusted through revelation: • The dietary and sacrificial laws of the Old Testament were fulfilled and superseded by Christ’s atonement (Hebrews 10:1-18). • Circumcision, once required under the Abrahamic covenant, was no longer necessary after Christ (Acts 15). • Similarly, the observance of Sabbath on Saturday can be seen as fulfilled and transformed into Sunday worship through the resurrection. • Latter-day Saints accept ongoing revelation, which supports the idea that God can designate Sunday as the day of worship and rest. Practical Continuity When The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized in 1830, the prevailing Sabbath observance in most Christian societies was already on Sunday. Observing Sunday as the Sabbath allowed continuity with broader Christian practice. Symbolism of the “New Covenant” In the Old Testament, the Sabbath (Saturday) commemorated God’s rest after creating the world (Genesis 2:2-3) and the Israelites’ deliverance from Egypt (Deuteronomy 5:15). With the resurrection of Christ, Sunday symbolizes a new covenant and spiritual renewal, focusing on redemption through Jesus Christ rather than the Mosaic Law. While important, these were preparatory symbols pointing to the greater rest and deliverance brought through Christ. The Lord’s Day Revelation 1:10: John writes, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” This term is widely understood in Christian tradition to refer to Sunday, the day of Christ’s resurrection and the day set apart for worship. The Sabbath Is a Shadow of Christ/Adjustments For Gentile Converts Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16-17, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” This suggests that the Sabbath and other Mosaic ordinances were symbolic and preparatory, pointing to Christ. Once Christ fulfilled these symbols, rigid observance of the Saturday Sabbath was no longer necessary. The early Christian church was increasingly composed of Gentiles who were not bound to the Mosaic law, including the Saturday Sabbath (see Acts 15:19-28). This made Sunday observance more practical and symbolically significant for a diverse church. Final Summary True, the Sabbath began at creation (Genesis 2:2-3), and its observance was on Saturday. The Israelites observed it as a sign of the Mosaic covenant (Exodus 31:16-17), Since Christ fulfilled the law providing a greater “rest” Sunday is now the designated day to honor Him. While Saturday Sabbath observance was rooted in creation and Mosaic law, Sunday observance highlights the new creation brought by Christ’s resurrection and aligns with early Christian worship practices under apostolic authority. Latter-day Saints honor Sunday as the Lord’s designated day of rest and worship, following both historical precedent and modern revelation. It is viewed as a time to worship, rest, and renew spiritually, in harmony with both biblical precedent and latter-day guidance. It’s not about legalism. The most important principle is keep the commandment and observance. “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” Mark 2:27

[@luizaraos.soteroluiz5327]

@TyleRMatin6532 Thank you for the clarification.

[@parleylambert9397]

When are you going to write a book

[@My_Personal_Taste]

Haha real