Simple "Roller" Guillotine Tool - GS Tongs

[@robbjohnson7072]

Those folks who make the list of accusing you of being an idiot are keyboard couch potatoes wasting oxygen. Please know your videos, creativity, craftsmanship, and clever approach to blacksmithing is very much appreciated to those of us who enjoy moving metal along with you.

[@gstongs]

I appreciate your support.

[@brysonalden5414]

Mr. Goldberg would be pleased by the look of your device! Keep experimenting, your ideas foster mine in a rather frightening way.

[@gstongs]

Haha! Yeah, I just need to keep adding parts and gizmos and I'll get to Goldberg level soon. Glad to inspire you even if in odd ways. Thanks.

[@TalRohan]

2 things I like about this ..1 its a lot easier to make than a blacksmiths helper , 2.. its got a lot more versatility I can see a lot of scope for this rolling guillotine (this idea would work in a flypress too) ..thanks for sharing.

[@gstongs]

The basics are there - just need to sort this out better, especially the striking surface. Thanks.

[@picklesnoutpenobscott3165]

Howdy Glen! Mean people take Blacksmith’s make.💖

[@gstongs]

Very well said 😬🧡. Thanks Crystal.

[@abitoffcenter383]

Oddly enough, I've been trying to figure out how to make a tool very similar to this. What are the odds of that? Crazy!! Although what I'd be working with would be cold. Since cash is a bit tight lately. I'm working on some jewelry for my wife and daughters this Christmas. I've made them rings and necklaces before. But this time I might have bitten off more than I can chew. It's definitely the hardest stuff I've tried to make by far!! 🤦‍♂ Thank You Glen for posting this!!

[@gstongs]

You know, I also thought about using this on cold pieces / thin sheets. The potential is there but it needs some modifications. Good luck with your jewelry. Thanks.

[@robertwhitney2232]

Yes, I can see possibilities, a rolling fuller for one. Thanks Glen for sharing 👍

[@gstongs]

The idea of rolling and fullering at the same time has potential. Let's see where this goes. Thanks.

[@BrianDaleNeeley]

I've often thought about a guillotine tool with springs to hold the dies apart, simply to make it easier to get the material into. This is almost certainly simpler and more effective than anything I have thought up. The striking pipe on the top could potentially use a little more work, but that's the thing with early prototypes; sometimes you just have to try something just to see where it leads. Excellent idea, and I imagine we will see some variation of this in a lot of shops in a few years.

[@gstongs]

As a first go, this isn't as bad all that and has potential. The striking surface si the first thing that needs changing. Let's see where this goes. Thanks for all Brian.

[@4AFarm]

Pretty good proof of concept! It’s like a mix of a hook jig and guillotine tool 👍

[@gstongs]

This tool works but isn't quite yet there. I'll keep at it. Thanks.

[@robconcep644]

Very nice design. Add a V shape instead of the top roller for a guillotine, parting tool. Excellent video and great Tongs. Sincerely Robert

[@gstongs]

That's a very good idea. Let me see what I can do. Thanks.

[@tokolosh11]

Very clever, thanks for sharing Glen, much appreciated as always.

[@gstongs]

This has potential but certainly needs modifications. Let me see where this goes. Thanks.

[@robertsimmons3556]

I really enjoy the R & D (research and design) video's Glen. Always make you think. Happy Holidays to you and your family!

[@gstongs]

Sometimes with me the R stands for ridiculous and the D for dumb but this tool has potential so I'll make the necessary modifications. Have a Merry Christmas to you Robert and all.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

It has a lot of potential, I think making the whole thing wider so the bolts aren't so close together and getting in the way of the hammer would be the best route to take. It would eliminate the need to have a separate striking tool. That way you could have as much height as you wanted with the bolts for any size stock. For that matter, maybe using welded pins in place of bolts so everything moves more freely and precisely. A set of springs connecting the base to the upper roller can keep them closed if that's what you needed, or a spring between the rollers to keep them separated depending on the work. Drill through the top of the alignment pins for a cotter or push pin to keep the rollers from flying off if you hit it too hard.

[@gstongs]

It seems that would really be the best solution - make it wider and eliminate the striking issue. And the idea for smooth pins and not bolts may certainly help plus your cotter pins idea is excellent. I knew the comment section would be chock full of good ideas. Let's see where this goes. Thanks.

[@MinionsSmithy]

I love this idea. I think it could be even better if you did as you mentioned and lengthend it enough to drop into the Pritchel hole. Then you could have a wide striking surface that dropped down between the 2 vertical posts. This would allow you to use much taller posts to accommodate thicker rollers and thicker working materials.! Just a thought....⚒️💪😬

[@gstongs]

The basics are there with this tool. I need to make the proper modifications. Thanks Steve for the valuable input. Let's see...

[@Irishhellion420]

Very interesting idea. Looks like playing around with different spring ratios is quite beneficial combined with using the rollers. The rolling spring guillotine

[@gstongs]

I like the name - perfect. Now I just need to make some modifications and get this better. Thanks.

[@Irishhellion420]

@@gstongs thank you for sharing your time with us.

[@MoondyneJoe]

Excellent Glenn I'm very impressed at your creativity, well done😁 Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺

[@gstongs]

This won't light the blacksmithing world on fire but it has potential to be better than a decent tool. I'll work on it. Thanks Tony.

[@MoondyneJoe]

@@gstongs it doesn't matter Glen it is something you developed, if someone else looks at it and it sparks another invention well it is successful you had the initial idea for it, let someone else invent the better mouse trap or you improve it to be so! It fills a niche I hope you and yours have a fantastic Christmas and new year Glenn Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺

[@irritablearchitect]

Redesigning the striking surface would seem to be the direction I'd most likely go; drill the holes like you said, to relieve the bolts for free travel and then weld a piece to the top which sticks up a bit to help "miss," the protruding bolts, on purpose.

[@gstongs]

No doubt, the striking surface is the first thing that needs changing. And having the bolts "free" would be better - no chance of welds cracking from repeated strikes. Thanks.

[@scottlanghorst1483]

This tool is pure genius, Glen! 🤜🤛

[@gstongs]

Thanks Scott.

[@scottlanghorst1483]

@@gstongs Happy New Year to you and yours, Glen. May 2024 bring you health and prosperity. 🧨🎇🎆🎉🥂🍾

[@jonandersen3347]

Hello Glen, i think this has lots of potential. Cant wait to see what you do with it.

[@gstongs]

I think other than the striking surface, I want to try different shaped dies and not just rollers. Thanks Jon.

[@greasydot]

Use a solid bar so the pipe doesn't absorb your hammer strikes. So many possibilities to that attachment

[@gstongs]

Yes, the potential is there for this tool but the striking surface is the first thing that needs changing. Thanks.

[@timberanvil3788]

Could machine two different radii - for example on the bottom roller you could have the radius 1/4" smaller in the middle 1" of width so as you hammer, you effectively have a rolling mill with the edges of the 1/4" groove acting as a fence. The same effect could be achieved if you slide machined rings over either end captured by a couple grub screws having a radius that is 1/8" or 1/4" larger than the bottom roller or whatever...you get the idea. I like this design a lot! Thank you for sharing!

[@gstongs]

I like your ideas - just need to really scratch my head some to further understand the concepts and how I can apply them to this tool. The groove in the bottom roller is something worth trying. So many good ideas from the comments.... Thanks.

[@timberanvil3788]

@@gstongs been admiring your work for years - finest tongs on KZbin - no contest! Very glad I could finally contribute!

[@FarmsteadForge]

Nice out of the box thinking, I like it!

[@gstongs]

It has potential but needs some changes. Thanks.

[@MASI_forging]

Great work 👍👍

[@gstongs]

Thanks. I'll keep at it.

[@CesarEscobar-l3z]

Todo lo que realizas es fantástico

[@gstongs]

I need to make changes to this tool but the basic idea is good. Thanks.

[@stevesalles6047]

great idea

[@gstongs]

The basics are there - but modifications are needed to make this a long term use tool. Thanks Steve.

[@johnwalker5938]

Very interesting concept!

[@gstongs]

Not ideal but it has potential. Thanks.

[@MrJamesjustin]

I love it. 👍

[@gstongs]

Thanks James.

[@tek9102]

Brilliant !!!!!!

[@gstongs]

Not perfect but has potential. Thanks.

[@CesarEscobar-l3z]

Eres un genio.

[@gstongs]

Not perfect but it has potential. Thanks for watching.

[@canberradogfarts]

Thanks

[@gstongs]

Thanks for watching.

[@JohanLarsby]

Possibly because of the springs it could be used as a hold down? if. you extend the base that is, that would help protect the anvil as well. Please feel free to call me too an idiot.

[@gstongs]

I'm not exactly sure but your idea is worth trying. Thanks my fellow idiot!

[@521cjb]

How about a version that fits in the vise, so pieces could be hammered in lengthwise and be drawn out by the rollers ?

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

I think that might upset the steel going into it and make it thicker right before the rollers, working against what you're trying to do. At the very least it could bend the steel, like hammering in a nail and having it bend when it hits too much resistance. It would be a lot better if you found a way to do that under tension rather than compression, like using a slide hammer to pull it through and draw it out. Alternatively, just put a crank on your rollers and turn it into a rolling mill, allowing the roller to both feed and draw at the same time, eliminating the hammer from the equation entirely. Just two big rollers on bearings, taking incremental steps to get to the final thickness you want. The rollers can have different tracks cut into them to draw out specific diameter round or square or octagonal shapes or just flat stock for that matter. Same method they use to make stock in big mills.

[@gstongs]

I'm not exactly sure... I tried to hammer in pieces as you described when in my anvil and it didn't go too well, maybe the vise would be better. Thanks.

[@gstongs]

The crank-able rollers is something I also thought about. Just not sure I'd be able to apply enough pressure / torque. Anyway, I initially wanted to eliminate hammering like you also say but that didn't go to well. I'll keep at this one. Thanks.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

@@gstongs Rolling mills have a stout frame and quite a bit of gearing on the crank (or a high torque electric motor), I'm sure it could be done but perhaps outside the scope of what most smiths would justify taking up space in the shop. If you had a very niche use for it, or you found yourself constantly needing to draw something out precisely and quickly, maybe a different story. It sure would make easy work of drawing smooth and consistent reins out fast.

[@stevenk1965]

How about adapting a cam and long lever instead of using hammer?

[@timberanvil3788]

I was thinking the same thing - like an arbor press - that, coupled with my above comment on adding rings to the bottom roller to make a fixed thickness rolling mill of sorts...seems like a great idea!

[@gstongs]

I'm not sure how that would work; may not be able to add enough pressure, but that's a very interesting idea. Let me see... Thanks.

[@gstongs]

I knew the comment section would be full of worthwhile ideas. Thanks.

[@prepertruckin8525]

⭕️what are the measurements of your main anvil ?

[@gstongs]

I think I answered this for you but if not, let me know and I'll provide the specs. Thanks.

[@prepertruckin8525]

@gstongs ⭕️ you did, good sir, thank you

[@MAndersenbamboorods]

👍👍👍

[@gstongs]

Thanks.

[@partsguy9423]

Hekin nice

[@gstongs]

Thanks.

[@ClenioBuilder]

👏👏👏🤜🤛

[@gstongs]

Thanks.

[@_bodgie]

Perhaps you’re an idiot for not thinking of this sooner. Looks like it has some potential as a useful tool.

[@gstongs]

This tool has potential - just needs some changes. Either way, I pretty much still an idiot! Thanks for watching.

[@_bodgie]

@@gstongs we're all idiots at one point or another Glen. Keep up the interesting work.

[@МиколаМирославенко]

Пустотіла труба пом'ягшує силу удару.

[@Blacksmith-Joe]

Glen I do admire your inquisitive approach to tooling but I must say this is like reinventing the wheel but making the wheel square! This is not 'you're an idiot comment'.

[@K_c_B]

How I'd this makin the wheel square in any way its a working concept that can become a platform for further features and applications he has made it in a way that he can literally remove either or both rollers and attach different attachments and have it do different tasks I anything he took the wheel and stopped chiseling it from stone and made it from rubber and anything he adds on would be like aluminum rims lol So how is this reinventing the wheel but making it square

[@Blacksmith-Joe]

@@K_c_B you're clearly not from a commercial blacksmith workshop. Thank you for you're input

[@K_c_B]

@@Blacksmith-Joe who said anything about commercial blacksmithing it was a thing he made as a idea I'm talking about it as a multiple use platform for individuals so where did anyone until now say commercial blacksmithing so thanks for your attempt to try to skirt around the point of what your original comment said Your initial input is noted this 2nd was not actually input or a response

[@Blacksmith-Joe]

@K_c_B because if you had any practical knowledge about blacksmithing, you would understand. There are guillotine tools there are rolling mills 👍. I wasn't having a dig at Glen, I enjoy his out the box approach to tooling.

[@K_c_B]

@@Blacksmith-Joeas far as practical knowledge goes 🖕 I may be fairly new to forging but I know the tools and I am in the process of getting my work space set up making my own tools that i don't have so i say again 🖕🤡 But now... If he had made guillotine that after each use u had to pry it open that would be a step backwards like a square wheel but no he made a functional proof of concept that is more of a step towards a better version of both if he follows the idea all the way thru more than I can say for some people most never had a original idea of their own My point is I have yet to hear among your smug remarks about how much u know and how little i know anything that says how what he did would be a step backwards it worked didn't it maybe unveiled to soon idk but he said would tinker with it Oh and I mean no offense sir blow hard