Singapore: The World's Only Successful Dictatorship?

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

Have you not heard of North Korea. Not a single citizen has ever complained about anything it is truly a paradise

[@krishnamaggarwal9167]

I mean no one can complain.

[@techhelpportal7778]

@@krishnamaggarwal9167 r/woooosh

[@BottleOJamie]

@@techhelpportal7778 ur irrelevant

[@franciscosoares2440]

Lol north Korea more like best Korea lol

[@BigBangAttack-mt6pz]

The only people who do are criminals 😊

[@celystia5118]

A smart dictatorship is one that makes you feel like you're not living in one.

[@lsrrr3857]

USA is great at doing it

[@sentryion3106]

@@lsrrr3857 tbf the us doesn’t have the same ruler for like 5 decades so it can’t be a dictatorship in its literal meaning

[@dvn.s_0069]

CCP has been doing it ever since they took credit for all the work of the Kuomintang and ate up the power vacuum.

[@easilyforgettableyoutubeco2149]

Murdock family is the true ruler of USA. Kinda funny that no one elected him tho

[@tryhardcsnoob9764]

To be fair, if you don't feel it, then most likely the standard of living is quite up to satisfaction. So does it really matter? Who are we to tell others what is the ideal way of governing a country.

[@malekzin4788]

For Malaysian point of view: people would rather live in a skillful dictatorship than a dysfunctional democracy. But of course, both countrymen would rather live in a highly functional democracy. 3k likes and over 230 replies.Thank you!!

[@nzx.]

Makes a lot of sense.

[@FluffyMugiLand]

just depends which side you are on

[@reinhartgregory]

They just choose the money lmao

[@guardianoffire8814]

These days there rarely are any highly functional democracies left. During the Cold War many corporations managed get more influence over the democratic systems in Western democracies without much trouble by simply accusing anyone who oppose their changes as Communist. Now democracy is Corporatocracy.

[@angeluscorpius]

"Highly functional Democracy" might well be a unicorn. I think the question should be, what is the purpose of democracy. If democracy is intended to bring about the best leadership, the best government, then the tools and methods of democracy does not lead to the selection of good leaders or good government. Democracy is a popularity contest. Nothing in the exercise of democracy explicitly selects for the best leaders or impeccable qualities of leadership. And because democracy is a popularity contest, within the exercise of democracy lies the seeds of popularism. Put another way: if democracy is the BEST way to select leaders, we should use democracy to select our generals. Our military should be organised democratically. Generals should be elected. But that's not how militaries are organised. As the submarine commander (Gene Hackman) said in "Crimson Tide": We're here to preserve democracy, not practice it.

[@serene-illusion]

I'll paraphrase what I saw someone in the reply section said; Yeah I'd rather earn a higher than average salary and have great living conditions if it meant living in a dictatorship that doesn't feel like a dictatorship, but I'd also appreciate the option to hold a smiley face in protest.

[@gladitsnotme]

This is the crux of it for me. If I want to hold an anti-war Ukraine solidarity walk, I shouldn't have to worry about some bitch arresting me. Protests and freedom of speech are important, one day when a corrupt leader gets his hands on the PAP, SG will realize that. I hope they don't realize it too late.

[@euphyi]

@@gladitsnotme my understanding (though I may be wrong) is that you can hold such a walk but you will need to follow the rules and get a permit / approval to do so, at designated spaces. Corruption is a risk that arises anywhere and everywhere and if there is anything the last two decades has shown it is that unfettered elections or "democracy" aren't a panacea to corruption either. Ultimately what matters is the luck, quality and heart of the persons in power, not how they get there.

[@cloudkitt]

I mean I don't think anyone would deny that the best (which is to say, most functional) form of government there is is a benevolent dictatorship. No other way can get more positive things done more quickly and effectively. The problem is there's a huge roll of the dice every time the next person takes power. Higher highs and lower lows, and history has borne out a lot of serious lows.

[@JK-zu1np]

We have designated location for protest, which needs pre booking and registration at a police station. Honestly, he could smiley face protest as long as he did all the proper steps at proper places, he intentionally broke the law and then want world wide sympathy, sheesh. Singapore doesn't fuck around with protests, as you know, they don't want any disruption to daily efficiency. Public transport must function, roads cannot be blocked. Protest is precisely one of those things where it could hinder efficiency of daily function. You may say it's just one guy with a smiley face poster, but protests always starts with one before it blows up right?

[@JCCyC]

@@JK-zu1np Do you think unjust laws exist?

[@numbers93]

It is possible to prosper while being authoritarian: that’s the very spirit of enlightened despotism. But it is a gamble: you’re placing a lot of power to very few hands, and you can only hope that those hands are indeed competent and prioritizes the greater good.

[@agurjaunak]

In Singapore case that what actually happens.. But being the city state of the world.. The narrowed path to prosperity very much a simple choice..

[@vondertann8471]

This objection could be done to any government system

[@briansimmons8643]

ALL w e s t e r n c o u n t r i e s are s t e a l t h d 1 c t a t r s h p s now. The N w W r d O r d runs EVERYTHING. Open you e y e s people.

[@igvc1876]

@@vondertann8471 Not true. The principle of democracy is systematic negative feedback through elections - poor leaders are kicked out and new ones are replaced, preventing tyranny. Without that feedback, the inevitable consequence of a dictatorship is the dictator taking over control of the system, breaking the negative feedback, potentially staying in power forever and replacing themselves with someone like them or even worse.

[@zhiyuan818]

@@igvc1876 The fallacy of democracy is that it assumes that the voting population is not misinformed. In this era of great misinformation and fake news, the cracks of democracy are starting to show, just as Socrates discovered eons ago.

[@User-eo7pf]

Singaporeans: It's not about electing a different party, it's about sending a message

[@wormsblink2887]

Exactly. Not even the largest opposition, WP, believes it or a coalition of the opposing groups can run the country. It’a purpose is to represent a minor threat so that extreme policies which may harm the country get challenged.

[@Guyontheinternet_]

If we don't like what PAP did, we just keep letting their vote rate drop every election to scare them.

[@kchoo1118]

@You Tube Well... so far it is still running. I would say Singaporeans are just more cautious.

[@BxBxProductions]

​@You Tube because they get stuff done and to even land a position in high ranking politics requires said person to have managed a multimillion or billion dollar company as a minimum qualified? yeah more than qualified until the next competent person steps up

[@FOCJCLIN]

Yea, that pretty much sums it up. Though WP is somewhat promising, they only contest in a very limited number of constituencies

[@duncantalksalot]

Polymatter: Singapore is ultimately a dictatiorship. Singaporeans: Yes but that's not how you pronounce P-A-P tho-

[@professionalpotato4764]

Hahaha ya lor. The PAP. Pap smear??

[@prn_Melatonin]

PAP WAN SUI HUAT AHHH

[@RetselfoK]

@@cottoncandiez8872 P A P

[@RonLarhz]

Pls lar 61% say 61% lah. Why lump all sgrean tgt.

[@nobullinvestment2730]

Dictate*

[@SuzushimaChin]

Travelled to over 20 countries and I think Singapores government is the most forward looking. Majority of things are planned 20years ahead and the government delivers its promises thats why they are constantly revoted in because they do their jobs.

[@yossiallen3316]

Would you live there?

[@enslavedcontent]

@@yossiallen3316 as a singaporean, free education = yes

[@gawkslay]

@Hello wealth = quality of living no?

[@ligmaballs2022]

​@@enslavedcontent education ain't free

[@MeFaysal-fe6he]

@@ligmaballs2022it is for citizens

[@guacamolelover9833]

As a singaporean, nobody here refers to the ruling party as “pap” we say it as P.A.P in individual letters. Just a heads up!

[@elliotw.888]

with that being said, sometimes supporters of PAP are called "pappies", in which the "pap" pronunciation is integrated

[@sbm1994]

Random question: does the more authoritarian version of democracy in Singapore bother you or no?

[@pangiokuhli512]

@@sbm1994 I will not lie: it does bother and even worries me on certain occasions. But, as with most other Singaporeans, I admit that I don't think about it 99% of the time because the rest of my life here is honestly too comfortable for me to be focused on the whole authoritarianism thing. And even to this matter, when I look at the work of our new(ish) Leader of the Opposition as well as their team of fresh MPs, and the work of young, non-partisan activists and social workers, I actually feel even less stressed about the "dictatorship" thing because I see it getting better every day

[@2548C-p2e]

Thank for the general knowledge

[@ChangedNames]

add an a and it becomes "papa", naturally everyone supports PaPa

[@Simon_GH]

PolyMatter: Uploads another Singapore video China: I thought we had something special 😢

[@louisirvinelim]

North Korea: :(

[@warren5037]

Well, China did get a 4 part series recently, so Singapore's turn now

[@shubbyshabaas]

Ikr

[@fairlyfactual451]

Mainland Taiwan*

[@tanjoy0205]

Singapore :Again ?Do you love me or hate me ?

[@user-dv4rh2my1x]

As a Singaporean, our country isn't perfect but most of us can talk shit about the government (happens every day in every taxi) without much consequences and we also enjoy a strong efficient government. Hopefully we can open up more going forward.

[@NoName-xc6cg]

Meanwhile in Greece we also talk shit about the government in every taxi but have had 4 elections in 10 years and are doing badly economically😂😂

[@somechinesedude5466]

You can't run a country as diverse as singapore without being hard handed or even more diverse in ideas & how to lead, that's how you get disorganization Last time i heard singapore government news is like what? 2004? There is no news down there as far an indonesian would care Meanwhile, whatever shitty government did in africa, china, america (both south & north) is broadcast & proven all the time Singaporean govs probably corrupt, but its for a reason, we know we can't run a perfect world without compromise & sacrifice

[@apocalypse9092]

Holy shit I’m a PR and that joke about taxi cracked me up😂😂

[@Justadudeyeknow]

in singapore, we turn our government to memes

[@darthnoward4612]

Talking shit in peers isn't exactly punishable in most part of the world, u can do it in China too just as so the participants of shit talk aren't public figures of any sort

[@notredame151]

I took a class a number of years ago called "Electoral Authoritarianism" in University where we took a look at Singapore (among a number of countries) and had to judge whether or not it was a democracy or not. Took a look at a lot of the stuff you highlighted in the video and had a guy come speak to us who did contract law work for tech companies over there. Really interesting stuff, glad(?) to see it highlighted.

[@nikkicherry6559]

The police can catch you easily

[@zacharymogel9500]

What did the class say?

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Paramount Pictures USD SGD

[@cheontham3265]

So what is the answer , democracy or not

[@saosaqii5807]

Friendship ended with China Singapore is PolyMatter’s new best friend now

[@dduay]

Which is basically China's sub account.

[@echizennishida9554]

@@dduay And how did you come to that conclusion

[@pinkpenzu]

@@dduay china wishes they have that much power over singapore

[@vladiiidracula235]

@@dduay Singapore is pretty neutral, and plays the superpowers off each other

[@madsam0320]

@@vladiiidracula235 that is so true, you never hear about the repressions being criticised by the western leaders.

[@deathtrack15]

Correction: Only 1 school is named after LKY - the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. LKY was very particular about not being immortalised. He even wanted his home to be destroyed after his death to prevent it being enshrined as a place of veneration.

[@raghavgupta2399]

I loved that about him. He always was a serviceman doing service to his country. As an Indian, I have massive respect for his policies.

[@Kenny-md2zf]

@@raghavgupta2399 errr no he sucks cos the country has no democracy

[@puffer-wq5wj]

@@Kenny-md2zf he doesn't suck singapore wouldn't be as developed as it is today if he wasn't here

[@mig7403]

@@puffer-wq5wj Not without some of his controversial policies like discouraging uneducated women to give birth

[@onetwostar]

@@mig7403 seriusly?

[@CountArtha]

I learned one important lesson from this video: Singapore's political parties have really cool logos.

[@Strata69]

literally tho the logos are fire

[@christianwhittall5889]

As a Brit I find The PAP logo unsettling but that’s simply because it resembles the BUF

[@fitmotheyap]

Honestly just realised it looked similar to some british political party logo like the other person replied

[@nuggie5522]

@@christianwhittall5889 them being a dictatorship aswell lmao

[@zetajolyne3689]

Really Dritte Reich style😂

[@lydiakvlogs]

Singaporean here. I have lived in the US for 5 years and during that time I came to appreciate my home country. We have affordable public housing and healthcare. Everything is very efficient. Sure protests and strikes are illegal, but I won't complain because there will never be public transportation strikes (as opposed to some Western countries.) We do still have a voice. The ruling party is still concerned about our welfare and happiness and if netizens complain too much about something they will backtrack. The only downside here is the lack of natural resources, countryside and space. But we have one of the best airports in the world and it was extremely easy to fly anywhere. It is so safe people use their phones to reserve seats at restaurants. As a woman I hardly have to think about my safety when walking at night. The pros significantly outweight the cons. Come to Singapore and see for yourself.

[@Jeremy-if7qf]

Living in US right now. Can't wait to visit Singapore!

[@jamilm4668]

Thank you. 20 cents will be credited to your account by the end of the month. - Administrator for PAP propaganda unit

[@Ykibmh]

​@@jamilm4668 but it's true.

[@NazriBuang-w9v]

Lies again? Bible Quran Arabic Not Latin

[@hallelshmueli]

That was the point of the video.

[@bytemegga]

"A country run like a corporation" how true. Government agencies are expected to be profitable here in Singapore

[@MeeraRustshieldSystem]

To be fair, while I don't think being run like a corporation is a great ideal to follow, I do think expecting certain government agencies to be profitable is a fair expectation that I wish happened in other parts of the world

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

@@MeeraRustshieldSystem I mean look at the MTR system in Hong Kong, high quality public transport that actually makes a profit, is a wonder of a thing.

[@MeeraRustshieldSystem]

@@jghifiversveiws8729 Alternatively, most of Mexico's public institutions are pretty low quality, are underfunded, and don't make a profit. That's not to say that it's bad that they exist, I'm glad we have some sort of public healthcare and education, but not only could they do better, some other institutions which are almost entirely profit-oriented (such as PEMEX, public oil) don't make a profit and end up being very expensive, sadly.

[@dean_l33]

@@jghifiversveiws8729 How do you even make a facking profit from government agentcy?

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

@@dean_l33 Well technically it isn't a full government agency, it's a public corporation that is majority owned (about 75%) by the Hong Kong government (hereafter referred too as the HK gubmint), and is also ran deliberately for profit, unlike most government corporations. The reason why it's so profitable is because technically it isn't just light rail system, it's also a real estate investor and manager. Its business model is referred to as the Rail + Property model, wherein the MTR not only owns the light rail stations but also, the land surrounding these stations which is sold to the MTR by the HK gubmint at what's known as Greenfield (or pre-development) prices. After construction of a new light rail station the value of this land goes up considerably. Owing to the fact that these rail systems are world class, and able to get you around the city in a matter of minutes, subsequently flattening commute times. This means that the MTR can sell this land to real estate developers, (seeking to capitalize off this recent increase in value), or develop and manage their own properties, usually, shopping centres, malls, hotels, and apartments, around these stations. This, along with the revenue that they earn from traditional faires is why they're so profitable.

[@briancho237]

When I first arrived in Singapore, from US, I was very surprised to see the level of trust people have on the government. They don't blindly believe in every word government says but at least they trust their government to get the job done. So at least for now, government is doing a good job and people are content. Who knows where it will go from here.

[@rileygshep7606]

Oh nooo, currently with covid, people are not happy at all, extremely unhappy now

[@briancho237]

@@rileygshep7606 But are the US citizen unhappy? I would say not yet

[@chaosXP3RT]

@@rileygshep7606 American citizens do not trust the US government

[@fattytan1377]

Unlike their neighbouring country who shares a border. They hate their government. They hate it very very much.

[@drep6268]

@@fattytan1377 im singaporean with a malaysian parent, yea very but after fighting so hard during the billion dollar scandal to see the guy back in some levels of power again many of em are demoralised to keep fighting

[@anonimosu7425]

So, out of everyone, Singapore will become your standard cyberpunk state.

Not gritty nor dark enough. Perhaps post-cyberpunk?

[@flp322]

China's already there

[@darylteo9983]

I mean, on some accounts, we're already a "cyberpunk" state

[@freealter]

Already been there for a long time

[@viggipedia]

Nah too much utopia considering they hand down the death penalty for a gram of grass. I kinda see it like Mirror's edge city

[@wiIIywanka]

Hearing polymatter say PAP in one syllable instead of its individual letters was amazing

[@19billdong96]

“Protests are illegal unless pre-approved by the government” that’s hilarious 😂

[@matthewmurphy636]

Yea it is lol but what can we do lol

[@its1996Me]

Russia is the same

[@kronosbach5263]

That is not very uncommon law actually. A bunch of other nations do it, and I guess it works? I mean sure it takes power out of worker hands, but when have governments ever wanted people actually to have power.

[@wangi5159]

Not that a lot of Singaporeans are daring enough to protest to start with so it's ok

[@jayanimations494]

@@its1996Me lmao no people actually do protests in Russia they might get beaten yes, but the US police beat protestors too lmao

[@ShortHax]

And here I thought Wadiya was the perfect dictatorship...

[@DyslexicMitochondria]

General alladin lol

[@k4four615]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator_(2012_film)

[@mattearenzi8972]

@@DyslexicMitochondria Hey bro i watch ur videoss. Love ur channeI

[@buttersquids]

Praise Admiral General Alladeen!

[@thetruthalwaysscary]

Wakanda is the best, is on first place any other has to be one that cooperate or obey western elite directives. Singapore now sided with China so videos will turn more and more negative about the country.

[@swin5915]

Singaporean here. I think what you mentioned about the gerrymandering and legal campaign period are spot on. My home is categorised under a GRC that is literally kilometres away from me. The 'getting charged for ridiculous reasons' thing is also quite real, earlier this year there were people arrested for protesting against LGBT discrimination by the education ministry. One thing that smells a bit fishy to me, however, is the 'vote for PAP to receive special benefits' thing you talked about at 12:35. I have never heard of such a thing before, and our votes are supposed to be anonymous. I'd love to see your source on that. EDIT: I stand corrected. Apparently that was the case in the past. Not sure if it's still the case but it used to be. I think most of us, especially the older generation, aren't extremely bothered by the lack of opposition in politics because life in Singapore isn't THAT bad, it's actually pretty comfortable. I think most people are just alright with the status quo and fear that change may disrupt it. Personally, I'm not very bothered about politics as long as the government in power gets the job done, which they have been for quite a few decades now. However, nowadays I think more people are better educated on our political scene and are more cognisant of the issues that have arisen as a result of the essentially one-party rule. That's probably why the PAP is starting to lose some of its voters. Nevertheless, if it really comes to it, I think Singaporeans would gladly vote for the oppositions if it meant that we'd have a better standard of living. I don't know if I can speak for everyone but to me, as long as Singapore continues to progress, I don't care which party is in power. We still have a long way to go, but either way I'm proud to be Singaporean. One thing I've always found funny when foreigners discuss Singapore online is that we are commonly downplayed and called names like 'Disneyland with a death penalty' or 'fine city'. I've even seen people on Reddit talk about us Singaporeans like we're some deeply oppressed slaves living in an Orwellian society. Maybe it's just me and my outlook on life but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as that. Sure, we may have some serious issues regarding mental health and our happiness, or lack thereof it, but in general I think most of our issues stem from the cost of living and the constant rat race here. I really admire you for the amount of research you put into this video though, it's pretty solid. Good job man Okay one last thing, for the love of god please stop calling the ruling party the PAP, it's super weird to hear it as a local. We call them the P A P. We pronounce each letter individually, hearing the acronym pronounced as it looks is disturbing

[@Schneizel1208]

Eh? Not Pappy meh? Or pinky party

[@Tartar]

Having spoken to a few Singaporean high-school and university students on forums I attend, I got the impression that their main concerns in the country wasn't lack of freedom, but the large economic inequality. I was quite shocked that while GDP per capita is 65,000$ per year, similar to that of the USA and the Nordic countries, the median income is only about 5,000$, six times lower than the median income in the USA and Nordic countries where median income is 30,000$. You seem knowledgeable on the subject, and I'd love your personal take on this?

[@8is]

PAP is an initialism, not an acronym.

[@pascalausensi9592]

" One thing that smells a bit fishy to me, however, is the 'vote for PAP to receive special benefits' thing you talked about at 12:35. I have never heard of such a thing before" From Lee Kuan Yew's autobiography: "From Third World to First World: The Singapore Story 1965-2000", Chapter 9 - Straddling the Middle Ground, page 133: "In the 1997 election (...). The PAP had countered the opposition's "by-election" strategy with the electoral carrot that priority for upgrading public housing in a constituency would be in accord with the strength of voter support for the PAP in that constituency. This was criticized by American liberals as unfair, as if pork barrel politics did not exist elsewhere."

[@xeenslayer]

@@Tartar I think your stats are wrong man. The median *household* income is about US$5k *per month*, yes (more actually). Considering an increasing number of households these days consist of working couples, then yes that's about $30k a year per head you cite for US and Scandinavia.

[@riggy1990]

Recently I was thinking about the faillings we see in some countries and their democracies where sh*t doesnt get done because there's too much infighting. And I believed that the best governance is a benevolent dictatorship. The issue being it's near impossible to implement. And it comes with the risks of the leader becoming power hungry and wanting a legacy. So the cons make it too risky to try to implement But Singapore does show that when you get the right people in. It flourishes amazingly. I look at Singapore and think of it as everything right about this type of governance. Issue being. Power can corrupt. And all it takes is the next generation to destroy everything.

[@albertrenfred7673]

Power is like alcohol, it doesn’t create vices, it reveals them.

[@syafsmith5085]

@@albertrenfred7673 Absolute power corrupts. Even if the opposition likes to make PAP MPs being overpaid as a talking point, even the opposition knows that it is a shallow sentiment. The parliament had a vote to decrease salaries, and Pritam Singh himself voted against it. Could it be possible that reduced minister pay would exacerbate corruption?

[@kairollz1371]

As someone from singapore i can say this: the only reason why pap is always elected is bcos they always have been doing a great job at managing singapore for arnd 60 years. People just dont want it to be risked by electing other governments such as workers part for example

[@BeBeLan542]

@@syafsmith5085 tbh pap has done a wonderful job right? why replace them...

[@foottoast4235]

Democracy can destroy countries when the people become too naïve (as a swede)

[@jesseong7304]

Btw, Polymatter, Us Singaporeans say P.A.P. By saying each letter individually hearing "pap" is weird lol

[@robertabella1806]

How do the ethnic Chinese in Singapore feel about China?

@@robertabella1806 It's a different country. Probably similar to how ethnic Germans in the US feel about Germany?

[@darylteo9983]

He said PAP like the "pap" in pap smear. Honestly the only issue with this video I have.

[@jesseong7304]

@@robertabella1806 I've got my mother's opinion and mine on the matter. I'm Chinese,born and raised in Singapore and my mother is a first generation immigrant. I personally feel that Singapore is my home and that I have no personal ties to China besides a few family members. My mother on the other hand believes that China is her true home and that Singapore is her home just because her family is here. This was just in our opinion, maybe you found this useful¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@darylteo9983]

@@robertabella1806 Just another country, that we happen to be descendants from. Sure we share a lot of our culture, but we don't feel patriotic to it or feel like it's our home. Singapore is home.

[@marcustoh]

I would like to quote China’s Deng Xiaoping with his quote “It doesn’t matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.”.

[@mikealstom0631]

yes

[@fengjikangqiang]

And Deng was attacked by the red guards for saying this statement his son was thrown down from 2nd storey of his house by the red guards and became crippled for life...such a high price to pay for an analogy on economy strategy.

[@marcustoh]

@@fengjikangqiangMore like all of that happened in part due to Mao Zedong branding Deng Xiaoping as a capitalist traitor. Anyways, it is worth to note that Deng had a relationship with Mao’s enemies within the party too. Ultimately, you have to ask the 1.4 Billion Chinese people if Deng Xiaoping’s policies have worked. Despite his loss in openly declaring his modernistic stance, China has great benefitted from adopting a practical economic policy.

[@fengjikangqiang]

@@marcustoh Vy paradoxical , lky was fighting the communist right at the start n the best you can do is quote a communist...sibei funny.

[@fengjikangqiang]

@@marcustoh Who care wat they china ppl think, this youtube video is abt SG...like dat u also can drift into china...you born there? Educated there? Gg to emigrate there?

[@lu881]

I've found that Singapore's racial policies, as well as the voting pattern is similar to South Africa's, but the opposite. - In Singapore, you have an undemocratic, but highly efficient government, that people keep voting for non-stop. - In South Africa, you have a democratic, but grossly incompetent government, that people keep voting for non-stop.

[@shaftoe195]

Well, the people in Singapore are much better educated, so...

[@lu881]

@@shaftoe195 That could be the factor. Many of government support comes from poor people who are easy to manipulate.

[@wingedarr0w]

Singaporeans tolerance of corruption is extremely low. They have among the lowest levels in the world and their population thinks that it too high and are basically telling their politicians "You are on thin ice, any more corruption and you are out."

[@kylegoyak]

May be a dictatorship but if it works why fix it

[@spiritual84]

@@wingedarr0w Our level of corruption is low because the politicians legitimise all the money they are getting. I mean do you have any idea how much they are paid? Not to mention the positions their immediate families are in? It's all legal btw.

[@nuuttirantaeskola8962]

I once lived there and recognized the country as an western one. It felt like the capital of the world, tall skyscrapers, fancy cars and luxurious shopping malls. Never did I think of the actual government or anything else regarding the countries politics.

[@MondayMornings]

and that's probably the beauty of it. as a citizen you don't need to worry much. majority of people want that.

[@MegaTron7568]

@@MondayMornings i wouldnt mind living under a dictatorship if it means safety and comfortable living

[@MondayMornings]

@@MegaTron7568 agree. On the premises that it’s safe and comfortable living for everybody.

[@manofcultura]

I’m not Singaporean but in solidarity, I demand Polymatter start saying USA as “oosaa

[@RealJohnnyDingo]

subtle, yet hilarious

[@Baronnax]

@Alfred Markovic bruh, "American" isn't a race, how tf is the comment racist? They make 'em really dumb in the oosaa huh?

[@michaelwinsor2243]

@Alfred Markovic As an American I find this 0% racist, 100% hilarious. I mean what other country has an abbreviation like USA? The joke just works so well. BTW, PolyMatter almost definitely is from the US, so I guess that's pretty good justification for "targeting specifically the the U.S."

[@talkingbushrandom4230]

@Alfred Markovic your name is literally Markovic, does that even make you an American?

[@edwardcardozo8325]

He's really mad, chill🤣

[@yimiji7077]

"The PAP may not learn this lesson, but you can learn thousands of great lesson on Skillshare" AJFDADASGFL I'm deceased.

[@starship1128]

If the PAP loses the power, it's because they did not use Skillshare.

[@lemon2524]

Ah yes Skillshare.

[@NCHProductions]

tiagong singaporeans is go skills future lei lmao

[@derrekvanee4567]

Because it's a great plug or because these bits whee they get paid for you k buy crap really is worse than ads? Get vanced youtube skips them

[@peel8043]

@@NCHProductions as a student in singapore. I have learnt absolutely nothing from skillsfuture

[@lamichael8659]

I feel that we need to take Singapore with a grain of salt: its amazing but rare. most of the time dictatorships are not benevolent and are failing behind democracies, so we should not even consider dictatorship as an option for good governance simply because of statistics. lets be happy for singapore it worked for them but not try to look for something similar

[@yousuckatlife7604]

it is a small nation in both sizes and population it easier to control that way

[@jfast8256]

It's not democracies that are ahead of the curve. It's countries that value liberty that are ahead of the curb "not counting Singapore." Singapore is the exception to that rule. Democracies are no better at creating prosperity than non-democracies. As long as people are free "which democracy doesn't guarantee, liberty does", nations tend to be prosperous. Progressives democrats are the ones who started the lie of democracy being great. Before them, we always knew Liberty was the hallmark of a prosperous nation which is why we had our constitution which was SUPPOSED to prevent democracy from taking away our freedoms. This has been failing more and more each decade as democracy erodes liberty in America. Sorry for the rant, but I don't want people to falsely correlate prosperity gains with democracy when it's liberty that correlates heavily with prosperity. Democracy is a neutral. True democracies with no liberty are some of the poorest countries on the planet while true democracies with liberty are some of richest. The reverse is also true. Non-democracies with no liberty are some of the poorest countries on the planet while non-democracies with liberty are some of the richest.

[@lamichael8659]

@@jfast8256 sorry its my fault. when i speak about democracies i speak about liberal democracies (i only count them as actual democracies and not just countries with elections and free press) imo an actual democracy has check and balances and equal rights and even minimal (as in, it forces at least basic) economic freedom especially private property, as part of its democratic concept (that is what i learned in school civic class lol) . but yes i agree with you, some people call iran a democracy because people can vote (which is just wrong) most "illiberal democracies" are just democracies that have tons of corruption lol, also you cant have a fully liberal country without some form of people representation (democracy mostly) so the progressive are right about the fact they cherish democracy so much imo

[@lamichael8659]

@@yousuckatlife7604 agreed

[@lamichael8659]

@@One.Zero.One101 very true

[@bassyey]

I went there as a tourist for about a month. Being in a dictatorship, I expected the country to have rude authorities. But the police I approached are very nice. Well, probably because I'm tourist, but still not what I expected. Even the immigration guy when I landed was pretty much chill, he just asked me if I had a hotel and that's it. No extra questioning.

[@c4un544n5]

There's a high chance that the police office you've approached is a young men serving his conscription. Yes, we conscription is not only the army force in Singapore. Men can be send to police force and SCDF(social civil defense force) as well. Scdf comprises of paramedic, firefighters and a lot of other units.

[@bambangl]

Immigration officers, unlike in other countries, are getting properly trained on how to serve the public. Same as police and any other public servant. If someone is unhappy they could receive a complain and that will be taken seriously. Is that the marks of an authoritarian state? Also, everyone can voice their opinion, the government even proactively asking for public views on certain issues. Marks of a dictatorship? Think again.

[@0_0-f4x9z]

please just because its a "dictatorship" doesn't mean that the people or the authorities are rude, i dont see the connection between the those 2. As long as you dont break the rules ( obv ), you're fine.

[@LautaroTessi]

In Spanish, "dictatorship" is called "dictadura". So considering "dura" means "tough", In cases like Singapore we make a game of words, calling them "dictablanda". "Blanda" means "soft".

[@c4un544n5]

@@0_0-f4x9z you can't really blame the OP for having a bias mind set. Most of the audiences on KZbin are from the western world and most of the western media aren't even trying to hide their effort at dictating dictatorship as evil and bad.

[@bunney3272]

“Liberalism Disavowed” by Chua Beng Huat is a good objective analysis of the Singapore system of governance, and why it is so enduring. (Even if the PAP falls, a new government will not dismantle the key pillars of the system such as public housing, multiracialism, and state capitalism)

[@scarletcrusade77]

Kind of weird that it’s “liberalism disavowed” yet all the “core tenants” are basically liberal politically in origin. Social welfare/housing, racial tolerance, free markets with state regulation. Aren’t these all core foundations of most liberal democracies?

[@aturchomicz821]

@@scarletcrusade77 Well you see Liberals still want to start wars and dont care what happens outside of their borders, not very Singepor-ian eh?

[@PrograError]

@@scarletcrusade77 maybe, but for Singapore those are national policy and literal life and blood. any deviation will just get slap on social media nowadays. if you want liberal policies, LGBT+ rights and increased right to protest and free speech might be more of a liberal policy but none of the parties ever brings up. but as it is, the childish "you pull me down, i will too" will continue for now...

[@awijaya2116]

​@@scarletcrusade77 It really depends on your perspective. A lot of the social welfare policies, for example, aren't really in the same vein as the typical western liberal democracy's. Take the healthcare system - Singapore doesn't actually have "free healthcare" in the same way European welfare states do, but instead mandate each citizen to pay a % of their income into a special savings account that can only be used for things like healthcare and the like. Racial tolerance involves the state cracking down on any ethnocentrist political stances, and mandating that state-provided housing having racial quotas (so each housing complex reflects the actual demographics of the country). And most Singaporeans live in government-built HDBs, so this isn't something that only affects a small % of the populace.

[@scarletcrusade77]

@@aturchomicz821 that’s foreign policy, that’s not tied into liberal ideology. Total non sequitur.

[@val1980]

He’s pronouncing PAP like how you would in PAP smear

[@henrietta9206]

equally dirty. nothing wrong.

[@briansimmons8643]

ALL w e s t e r n c o u n t r i e s are s t e a l t h d 1 c t a t r s h p s now. The N w W r d O r d runs EVERYTHING. Open you e y e s people.

[@RipDoveStudio]

@@briansimmons8643 thanks for the knowledge, my life is now changed.

[@eszeezee6967]

@@henrietta9206 say what you like/hate about PAP but don't diss pap smear. Pap smear saves lives. If you think it's dirty, just remember, you once pass through that pap smeared tunnel 😅

[@jusu8961]

@@briansimmons8643 are birds drones too?

[@singcarcom]

As a Singaporean, sending PAP a message is why I plan to vote for opposition party. We have many opposition parties, but many are outright incompetent. But they don't get to become competent since they never get the chance to gain political experience. One can argue that the PAP is a benevolent dictatorship at the moment, but I doubt that will stay the same forever and I wish the opposition parties get the chance to grow by being elected. Also, it's pronounced P-A-P (3 letters), not pap. I found that funny. =P

[@nufh]

Hard to live here if your income are not that good.

[@humanshieldz]

Maybe it was done on purpose haha. But the same can be said that while a certain opposition is capable now, it might change over time and then people don't realize it and just keep voting on it cos they are just voting to oppose for the sake of opposing, which can be really scary. What is important is everyone working together. I seriously don't wish things to end up like US. Our country is too small to have any instability.

[@Scroolewse]

is posting something like this online not dangerous?

[@Simon-hr5oj]

@@nufh True it is not named one of the top expensive country to stay in for no reason...

[@singcarcom]

@@Scroolewse Nah. I don't have enough clout to garner that kind of censorship from the government. And not voting for PAP isn't a crime, or 40% of Singaporeans will be in deep trouble.

[@philprice6242]

That was fantastic! I always sorta suspected that dictatorships could work if the party or person was benevolent enough, but that the risk was too high that one day it would inevitably dissolve. As you say, the cost is maintaining control, while the benefit is lack of constraint. For me, I started thinking about this when I heard (in passing) that Socrates was an open critic of democracy, but ultimately begrudged that it was the least worst option.

[@wenhowleong]

To a large extent, it is also because Singapore is so small and has no natural resources. So we don't really have a choice. If we want to attract capital, business and talent, there must be protection of property rights, fair and just judicial, no corruption... ... see where I am going here?

[@PuddingXXL]

I mean Socrates democracy has little to do with our modern parliamentary democracy. There is an entire science dedicated to different forms of democracies. Same goes for dictatorships. It isn't one mold if gov that every nation picks like a pokimon. Governments and democratic structures differ in a wide array of criteria. To speak about THE democracy us kind of missing the point as there is no one unified democratic concepts everyone shares. Q

[@PuddingXXL]

@@wenhowleong corruption under dictatorships tends to he worst then in democracies.

[@flaetsbnort]

@@wenhowleong There are many countries in the exact same situation (small area without any natural resources) where the authoritarian party takes control of whatever little wealth it is, distributes to its inner circle and military/police, and have them beat the crap out of dissenters until they can pretend they don't exist. Sharing and fostering these resources are an anomaly.

[@panda63725]

Dictatorship? Define it. Is your parents dictator?

[@neverletmego6414]

China: socialism with Chinese characteristics Singapore: capitalism with Chinese characteristics Taiwan: democracy with Chinese characteristics Hong Kong: Chinese with British characteristics Macau: a casino with city-state characteristics

[@蓬莱山辉夜-h6o]

😂👍

[@ASK-ko9qx]

Nice 🤣🤣 you deserve more likes

[@wk6499]

Macanese: You have just insulted our entire city. But yes.

[@firewoodloki]

Can you not call us Chinese? We are Hongkongers. :(

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Macau makes Las Vegas weak in the casino business. Basically it’s run by the casinos.

[@Scrayla]

This is an interesting analysis but as a Singaporean, I have to say that there is quite a lot of Singapore's history that was not properly analyzed especially when there was a lot of focus on the PAP remaining in power. The choice to take this "authoritarian shortcut" was something borne out of necessity and not just a high risk high reward decision. During the period of decolonization, Singapore as an independent state was at its weakest and most vulnerable. My parents tell me of stories when gangs roamed the streets, how there were always fights breaking out that our "ang chia" (anti-riot vehicles) had to come and stop, how several families were crowded under one roof and shared one toilet, and all the stuff that you could never imagine when you look at modern-day Singapore. Authoritarianism is a system with its flaws, but in a time of civil unrest with a divided population, ruling with an iron fist and setting the country onto one specific path was the most socio-politically viable way for Singapore to survive and move forward in a short period of time. We were just lucky that our ruling party was not so greedy and corrupt to begin with, so under their leadership, Singapore went from third to first world in a single generation. This is not to say our governance is perfect, in fact, it is far from it. A lot of the early policies heavily affected the people of the previous generations. My grandparents and parents were hit by these rapid changes and struggled to adapt. But the choices the government made in those early days were what made Singapore the country it is today. Singapore is certainly not a perfect utopia, there exists no such thing in the world. But as a Singaporean, I personally believe it is as close to a utopia as it gets. I would rather have peace and security over democracy and freedom. If anyone would like to understand more about Singapore's decision and position to rule as a "hybrid democracy", I implore you to watch Senior Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam's speech at the 45th St Gallen Symposium. Democracy isn't the only way to run a country. Every country has their own specific circumstance and their own "best" way to rule.

[@kentang1528]

You are brainwashed by the PAP brother....

[@kzwky846]

@@kentang1528 Are you brainwashed by the oppositions then?

[@kzwky846]

As someone who has escaped proverty, I really appreciate the government that provides a chance for people to move up the social ladder. Was living in a rented 1 room hdb flat together with other people family members till 4 years ago, now I owned a 5 room resale flat.

[@lovetrustandpixiedust]

I couldn't have said it better myself. US-style democracy certainly isn't the only way to run a country. I'll take peace, safety and prosperity in a country run by a team of competent leaders over the "freedom" for hate crimes, gun violence, homelessness, drug epidemic, high taxes and crumbling infrastructure any day.

[@matthewleong2726]

And really, that is why LKY is so beloved. Yes, he was capable, but one truly made him great is that he sincerely worked hard for the betterment of his country and her people. A person such as himself who amassed so much power could have easily went corrupt, but he didn't.

[@campfiresnlasguns]

Hence when the opposition wins a sector, otherwise known as a GRC, during elections, Singaporeans cheer, party and make memes about it the following day. Most of us are neutral to the PAP, and are alright with a parliament shared between the PAP & the opposition parties. To truly understand Singapore, one has to come stay here for months, be it as an expat, a permanent resident or to actually become a new citizen.

[@briansimmons8643]

ALL w e s t e r n c o u n t r i e s are s t e a l t h d 1 c t a t r s h p s now. The N w W r d O r d runs EVERYTHING. Open you e y e s people.

[@Idkwhattoputlmaoejjdjsdn]

@@alandarrin I think he's joking

[@sorcierenoire8651]

@@briansimmons8643 bars dude

[@lzh4950]

Some of our ministers are more sensitive too I think e.g. Indranee Rajah previously accused opposition MP Sylvia Lim of attempting to take undue credit when she praised the government's review of public transport fares, that included lowering concession prices for polytechnic students. Josephine Teo also accused her of insinuation & demanded an apology in 2018 after she asked if the PAP was earlier trying to "float test balloons" i.e. gauge public sentiment to an announced future hike of GST (consumption tax)

[@torpenhigalak5909]

Neutral? that's the thing your content by it and from it. They have successfully fulfilled their goal and opposing to the objectives that twines to their intentions you not only become complacent but amuse yourself from it, don't beckon yourself with such sight without knowing were your truly align of. Nothing, because everything complain of and praise is taken. This is not democracy, your living a burrow time of golden egg cracking.

[@kzwky846]

I was from a low income family in Singapore where my single mother earned less than $1200 a month. Together with me and my 3 siblings, we rented a 1 room hdb flat from the government. We would not be able to get by without the financial assistance provided by the government and CDAC. Not only did they help us financially, they also put in place a system where anyone can strive to be successful if they have the right mindset. We escaped provery after I have gotten a job after serving my national service, and upgraded our house to a 5 room resale flat. I think compared to others of my age, I am grateful for what the government has done to help us in our time of needs. With how the oppositions are now, I really hope that a freak election won't happen (with how people are voting) as that will really be the end of Singapore.

[@jakemontone807]

People are too sheltered and just complain while overlooking how the government has helped them.

[@EthanChua-v3p]

@@jakemontone807 Same i have been seeing it everywhere, even though the main root of the problem lie beyond our control aka transition to a more diverse and green smart economy with actual long term benefits causing certain short term harms like increase prices and ppl complaining things are too expensive and govt not doing anything despite the help govt and dedicated help centres are giving to ppl and the ppl are forgetting that this is not a special case, prices will increase no matter how good or bad an economy is, once it goes down, so will your wage, QOL and everything else will go down as that’s how economics work.

[@watchman835]

Dictatorship = High Risk High Reward depends on the quality of reining government If there is a corrupt ruler dictatorship is bad Democracy = Low Risk Low Reward depends on the quality of its people If there are too many uneducated people, democracy will be close to a chaos.

What do you mean? Eg education in the US has expanded like crazy in the last few centuries, more people are getting educated for longer than ever before, but the country hasn't gotten more orderly, has it?

[@クククビラエンジョイ者]

@ I think that the situation in the USA is a culmination of many factors. For example, if you're presented with a idea that conflicts with your beliefs, Singaporeans are likely to encounter more civil and structured discourse ("Heres why i think you're wrong, my justification, to be fair here are some valid points you raised"). But in the states it is more common to simply demonize what you don't agree with. "You're a bigot if you xxx, you don't even know xxx, -insert name calling-" A better society is built when people actively choose to be patient, understanding, and behaves with grace and open-mindedness. However, being understanding and mindful of the trade-offs we have to make due to global political and economical climate is far more tedious than chanting "Orange man bad". The decades of sensationalism and trying to make an enemy out of everything has taken its toll I'd say.

[@ihl0700677525]

@@クククビラエンジョイ者 I don't think so. If you read about "pamphlet war" between the founding fathers who denigrate each other in public (e.g. Paine public criticism of Washington, the Jeffersonians vs. the Federalists, etc), you'll understand how it is always been this way *since the very beginning.* IMO this "demonization" is lot better than "don't ask don't tell" attitude in many other society. Only in the US you could ever dream about saying totally absurd ideas out loud. In many other countries, even in Europe (e.g. Britain, Germany, etc), they don't have actual "free speech". For example in the US people could call each other "fascist", while in Germany if you dare to talk about "fascism" (or Nazism) in "non-conformist" way you might ended up in jail. American "sensationalism" is IMO better than "closeted" culture.

[@thisplaceisnuts01]

saying that a corrupt dictator is "bad" is highly understating just how damaging a shit dictator is

[@skychaos87]

In short, what we want is good governance, regardless of the governing ideology. No single ideology is absolute, they all have its pros and cons, which can produce good or bad governance. I would choose a functional democracy where people are educated voting for good leaders over dictatorship that treats the people bad, no brainer right? But i would also choose a benevolent dictatorship that sets the country on the right path improving the lives of its people over a democracy that is gamed by the establishment and corrupted politicians, fooling its people and keeping them poor. Isn't that the most sensible way to look at governance? Unfortunately many people today sees political ideologies as a dogma, like religion. There's no concern over the reality of people's livelihood and condition.

[@TheTinyRedDot]

Fun fact: Singaporeans generally address the ruling party as "P - A - P" 3 syllabus as the 3 letters, and not "pap" 1 syllabus. Either that, or "gahmen" - singlish for "government".

[@JohnDoe-nn3ib]

*syllable

[@thebfiaid957]

Well it is not singlish but its more of a singlish pronunciation but yes you are correct we call it P.A.P

[@DoctorCyan]

Gahmen… I like it

[@리주민]

What happens when a party member gets criticised in the news? Papsmear 😏

[@jamestay2377]

Indeed its not pap, it's P.A.P

[@alexanderphilip1809]

The problem with Singapore is that not every generation might have a LKY. He was an era defining genius and damn lucky.

[@Ethan7s]

His son is smart as a cookie, but not nearly the same caliber of leader.

[@geraint7341]

@bong breaker why do you say so

[@huangec]

Truth be told, it was not only him but his dream team of excellent ministers. It's worrying that many today are getting smug and taking it way too easy.

[@zwwong9275]

@bong breaker I don't think it's fair to say that PAP politicians in LKY's era didn't suffer from similar shortcomings. It's just that with the age of social media these things get published alot more in modern times.

[@ottosmiddletoe387]

@bong breaker leave then, if you feel that way lol.

[@Frikiman_H]

You can really see the strong influence of Chinese culture in Singapore. Historically, Chinese people often consent to top-down authoritarian governments for as long as they are able to keeps things stable and prosperous. But they also reserve themselves the right (or even the moral duty) of overthrowing it as soon as things start going south (condensed into the concept of the "Mandate of Heaven"). Makes sense, seeing as most of the population is ethnically Chinese.

[@greenpepper5883]

Then you should check out Taiwan. It's the politics shaped the ppl, not the other way round.

[@fireplace2330]

Chinese culture is not a Confucian monolith. There are aspects which celebrate personal freedom above centralized power, and even bohemian living. Just look at the philosophical aspects of Taoism and the Zhuangzi.

[@beeg8615]

what crack are you smoking?

[@HappyMerchant]

@@greenpepper5883 Out of Taipei and big urban environment the tradition and culture of taiwanese is not much differnet than continental China

[@greenpepper5883]

@HappyMerchant yes. But ppl's belief is different, and it make quite a difference if you really love in a place

[@向你祖母問好]

Asian standard, A+ is not enough and 60% vote to win the election is too little 😂

[@ottovonbismarckboi9112]

The first bit is such a stereotype lol

[@gachanimestudios8348]

Lolol

[@enoshima6699]

Mom and dad will be greatly disappointed by 60

[@Jose04537]

@@enoshima6699 - Son! Why did you get a B+?! Such a disappointment! -Dad, those are my blood tests -Son, Did I stutter?

[@不动不静]

49 vs 51 means tearing a country apart

[@boulderbash19700209]

"What is the result of your pap smear?" "Three years and eight cannings."

[@crystalwaters2260]

This comment belongs in the Internet Hall Of Fame

[@eleanorrepertoire1390]

Maybe bankrupcy as well

[@blakeonly6056]

Underrated comment

[@briansimmons8643]

PEOPLE ARE REALLY SO N A I V E THEY THINK ALL W E S T E R N C O U N T R I E S AREN'T D 1 C T A T O R S H I PS? THEY JUST DON'T ADMIT IT. W A K E UP PEOPLE.

[@jaizjeeson2180]

ahahhahaha i was waiting for this comment....!!

[@bandygamy5898]

It's so obvious why Deng Xiaoping was inspired by Singapore when making his reforms.

[@briansimmons8643]

ALL w e s t e r n c o u n t r i e s are s t e a l t h d 1 c t a t r s h p s now. The N w W r d O r d runs EVERYTHING. Open you e y e s people.

[@volt9031]

Ikr man came to Singapore and became enlightened

[@GIN.356.A]

@Goosa Poosa wrong, Deng was from Sichuan, you are literally 1000 miles off.

[@BlueBeefalo]

@@briansimmons8643 cope

[@richardandrews7265]

Deng Xiaopeng xue hua piao piao bei feng xiao xiao

[@cychan2730]

As a Singaporean your video just presents things without the deeper context. We do not blindly believe everything the Government says . We are also not stupid enough to allow our country to burn.

[@davasg96]

5:59 just a heads up people in Singapore don't say 'pap' as one syllable but always as a 3-letter initialism/acronym 'p-a-p'

[@nurudaddy]

Go higher sotong, people need to know

[@8is]

What you are describing is an initialism, not an acronym. CIA is an initialism, NASA is an acronym.

[@davasg96]

@@8is ah got it, my bad! TIL

[@nurudaddy]

@@8is the more you know

[@manewhairstyle]

@You Tube ??? what

[@jsteinman]

In Johannesburg, South Africa, our provincial intercity commuter rail (Gautrain) also bans chewing gum and any open drinks or food. The service has compliance officers walking around on the train to check. The trains still looks brand new inside after 11 years of operation; I’d much rather have that than graffitied, dirty trains…

[@wf645]

Exactly ! Studied in US years ago and one day the school decide to have the students coming back to do some public cleaning. And imagine how many bags of dry out gums we were able scrap up and a world of difference before and after the scrapping ....

[@eugene9661]

Clean trains and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Case in point, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea all have great metros.

[@mariomuhammad5003]

@@eugene9661 but they all have strict rules about littering

[@stimublu8570]

@@eugene9661 I dont know about Japan and Korea, but Taiwan use a rat system to encourage citizens to rat on each other against littering. Giving the rat a potion of the fine.

[@tae4life76]

You Dutch or English?

[@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735]

All i think about the election in singapore are the memes "We have an East Coast plan....."

[@murtc1595]

And a together singapore @ east coast

[@tigerrclaw3772]

When everything else go wrong, the East Coast Plan will save us…

[@hansenkhornelius]

Yes, I enjoy the memes, that's why election in singapore is important

[@goodness_graciousme]

Lmaoooo!!

[@chrysosodes]

this warms the cockles of my heart

[@saidonfax]

Wow. Great video. It's been a debate in Thailand for years too. The military regime always say they "brought peace and stability". Because they use the law against any protestors. Many people are tired of protests which often lead to eventual violence so they just let the old incompetent military rule the country... for 8 years now. The expensive lifestyle of the royals anger many people. Only the middle classers and young people come out to voice their concerns while most old people keep their silence. Even if democracy will bring us worse leader, at least we can say it's our own choice. And we can replace him/her later too.

[@sr3821]

Well, I guess you should learn from history of tyrannical regimes. Tyrant can come from democracy. General election will not automatically kick any tyrant out.

[@789know]

then u will ended up with having to choose between 2 very bad candidate like many modern election. Not to mention in many modern democracy, it is difficult to actually throw out leader with low support without them doing the full term despite there r system in place that allow u to overthrow that leader.

[@christophh9477]

Think its also worth mentioning that while the PAP "only" got 61.5% of the vote that still resulted in them getting 90% of the seats in parlement. With how they gerrymander they could probably still maintain a majority with 30% of the vote, so having any other party rule is a very, very long way away.

[@lsrrr3857]

The biggest worry Singapore has is the day PAP no longer rules would come too soon

[@sg_hokkien_opera]

Dude, I suggest you stop dreaming that 30% of the vote can keep PAP in power. Maths fail. You probably don’t think voters have brains, so you don’t give enough credit to them voting in the party that they believe is best qualified.

[@sg_hokkien_opera]

@@jeremyjackson7429 don’t understand.

[@JimCullen]

​@@sg_hokkien_opera theoretically perfect gerrymandering in a 2 party system can result in the winner getting just over 25%. With more parties, this goes down exponentially. If you win half+1 of the votes in half+1 of the seats, and zero votes everywhere else, you have won the election. with just over 25% of the vote. This sort of extreme situation would be almost impossible to manufacture, but it is _theoretically_ possible.

[@yxinz]

Cause oppies don’t think. They’re just unhappy with their life.

[@tuan2352]

We SE/E. Asians, have a very different concept of "dictator" from Westerners. For them, a democracy without effective opposition is a dictatorship. To us here, as long as a ruler doesn't murder people in broad daylight, he isn't a dictator. To me, as long as the Singaporean people still continue to not throw out PAP, the Singaporeans gave their consent to this social contract. Hey, even Japan has essentially same one-party rule but no one's saying it's a dictatorship.

[@chaotiongsai]

That’s because Japan has the same western standards of civil liberties and separation of powers that SG does not. Democracy is NOT JUST about election. The latter forms only one component of the democracy umbrella.

[@GodActio]

Doesn't matter, a government that governs well is the best government Democracy is trash without an educated and equally capable population

[@Tim70theYawner]

but is it really a choice if the government literally gives stuff to PAP voters? That's not consent, that's survival.

[@impervas5801]

@@GodActio "Democracy is trash without an educated and equally capable population" Ukraine

[@Artaxerxes.]

@xraf32 what's amazing is that men let them do it. Wasn't this way 2 centuries ago

[@Highwind79]

For most of the population, so long as it continues to prosper, few are going to rock the boat. From young, we are taught that our rice bowl is made from porcelain, no one will care of our well being other than ourselves. It's one of the reasons why people here are pragmatic. Freedom of speech means nothing if we cannot put food on the table

[@Monkechnology]

This. Most westerners keep crying about "liberal democracy" yet they don't know poverty. I'd rather have the PAP running my country and securing us good living standards than the "democratic" government destroying my country and stealing everything from us.

[@theendurance]

@@Monkechnology westerners prefer freedom over security and asians prefer the opposite. difference of culture

[@Monkechnology]

@@theendurance Westerners don't like freedom, otherwise people wouldn't go to jail over a joke and they wouldn't lose their jobs because government say so. They like to virtue signal.

[@benjamingoh8204]

@@Monkechnology Which western country does this happen in, or which government does this? I haven't thought of any that fit your specifics yet.

[@Monkechnology]

@@benjamingoh8204 Argentina

[@tvworkshoptravelandeventsasia]

Never change a winning team! Great job done Singapore people. Greetz from Batam Indonesia!

[@johannespusa3743]

I like your confidence to just plain announce the results of Swedish elections over a year early

[@realtissaye]

LOL

[@lawsonian3858]

Saying P.A.P. like pap is like saying the G.O.P. like gop

[@adrielle3168]

pleaseee its so funny to hear him call “P.A.P.”, “pap”

[@melonlord1114]

I was outside when watching this video and I screamed when I first heard it, luckily no one was near me 😂

[@zsoltkele-azigazi]

especially when "pap" means "priest" in Hungarian

[@bonganimkhwanazi2081]

Its ground maize cooked to a paste in Zulu

[@JevonWR]

But the meaning is MORE ACTION Than TALK TALK Bullshit😂

[@user-xq2fz5tz9t]

Obviously it's pap smear

[@annabellemingyah6813]

People: I want to protest Singapore: Sure, fill up this form, also, no. No you cannot protest

[@ericschmidt1987]

Stayed in SG for 24 days. It was amazing. So clean and safe. You see kids age 10 going to school by themselves. I barely saw any police but Cc TV everywhere. I was walking late at night at 2am by myself with no fear or harassment. No homeless people. Really interesting place to live and work in.

[@mrreedawn4573]

Wait till you walk at lower income neighborhood where you can see homeless people.

[@jot2386]

@@mrreedawn4573 talk shit. which neighbourhood is "low income"?

[@mrreedawn4573]

@@jot2386 if you are a Singaporean, you been living in ivory tower hah? Stoo living in your already tiny little bubble

[@faizfitri3553]

just go Yishun u will be suprised

[@syafsmith5085]

@@mrreedawn4573 Ah fascinating. Anyone that doesn’t adhere to your pessimistic narrative is “privileged.” Or that he lives in an “ivory tower.” You gonna spew more SJW canard over where that came from?

[@Kodunkion]

As a malaysian, what I've admired about Lee Kuan Yew is that he did exactly what most other countries failed to do with the same system, while having a smaller country helps, it is still as hard to commit to the vision you had initially for an entire country, let alone set it up to follow that vision through even after death. While I feel pity for those he has jailed, he did so knowing he could bring singapore up unhindered. Had he been able to convince them he was going to turn singapore into what it is now, he likely would have not jailed them. And who can blame them or LKY himself? It's very skeptical that anyone would follow through with their promise with that much power, yet LKY did. I wish Malaysia was equally well off but we're a joke.

[@wonderseven9248]

Our parliament is literally a meme

[@yong9613]

Singapore is small, so small that you can drive yourself into the sea after 2 hours on gear 4 from one end of the island to another

[@nelc2399]

@@yong9613 troll

[@ConnorTan-sg6jv]

If Malaysia have a Lee Kuan Yew we would be much successful than now

[@ivanwong7456]

Malaysia is hindered by its monoracial and religious political parties. The country used to be doing fine post independence until Malay nationalist like Razak and Mahathir came into power. They're the one who introduced NEP and are responsible for building a class of politically connected cronies who is dependent on government handouts.

[@untitled9321]

Considering it's size Singapore really has a lot going for it.

[@jasonwong972]

Singapore is a fine example to the rest of South East Asia!

[@austingonzalez1148]

Is this real life propaganda?

[@adityaingole284]

@@jasonwong972 A leader for the world to show how to disguise a dictatorship as democracy.

[@scarletcrusade77]

It’s a country basically on east mode though. It’s a natural deep water trade port at a chock point for one of the busiest trade lanes in the world. I don’t see how you can fail running Singapore

@@scarletcrusade77 At independence, Singapore was poorer than most of Africa..

[@edgara834]

Would you ride a ship whose captain changes the direction once every five years? Where the captain REVERSES his ship so that he can tell his passengers the previous captain was wrong, and he is the right one?

[@h.f6364]

r*tarded analogy, why would i ride on a ship for five years straight? either way, youd like to go on a cruise where everyone that is a dissident "inexplicably" disappears

[@caseclosed9342]

Singapore’s one party reminds of us Americans’ two. Especially when you get in the state and city level. But I think what’s true in America and in Singapore is as long as the people are happy with life they don’t care about politics as much. HL Mencken said it best, “ man doesn’t vote to be free he votes to be safe”.

[@Kriae]

They definitely are both experts in gerrymandering

[@bundevsawhney7578]

Very apt comparison. The whole thing about how those who vote against the PAP are thought of as free riders sounds exactly like the vote splitting argument against third party voting in the US...

[@lazergurka-smerlin6561]

That makes sense. But that also makes it very apparent why they try to keep internal division to and uncontentment to a minimum. Because as things are going the future for the government of america doesn't look pretty

[@HenryElfin]

All the US government do are either starting a war or blabbing about the next big thing that's going to fix America and don't do anything about it. At least gerrymandering paid off somewhat to all Singaporean, here it only benefit the big industries who usually support both parties anyway

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

Singapore's dominant party system is what the US used to be like post WW2. But now, its definitely different.

[@ZearthGJL]

The fun part about the election is that often times, promises are often always carried out and aren't empty. _Then there's complaining to your member of parliament on problems in your neighborhood, which sometimes gets fixed, depending on said problem._

[@aronseptianto8142]

that's the thing tho, while yeah one part of democracy is that you get to elect your leader, another part about democracy is to let citizen complaint the government do shit about it. Singapore is very much so in the "let's actually do shit" part

[@PrograError]

except the only time you see your mp is on the piece of PR banner for one of the few ethnic celebrations or letter or grievance consultation, well... until the election... when they pop up like gophers on the whack the mole game a constant on the PR news segments on the "news".

[@vp2008]

@@PrograError guess you never tried going to one of your meet the MP sessions. I’ve had a neighbour recently who had issues regarding worker’s compensation and their MP was able to help them get their problem solved by getting MOM to act against the errant employer. Sometimes not seeing them on the ground doesn’t mean they’re not doing work tbf

[@HenryElfin]

This is simply unheard of. Keep the promise during election??! I can't believe this could happen on this planet

[@danielc2701]

@@PrograError You need to go look for them, they tend to be there, just well hidden lol.

[@janessasanio]

Polymatter: Singapore a dictatorship? Singapore Govt: I take umbrage. Sends takedown notice and sues for slander

[@kitizen394]

Singaporeans: why do foreigners abuse words like dictatorship and pretend we are uneducated North Korean slaves. Ignorant but arrogant KZbin commenters: I take offense. Doubles down and reveal more ignorance and bigotry.

[@gillianlim8440]

Maybe u should ask Singapore neighbours if they have a chance to change their government would they prefer to have a PAP govt?

[@balloooom]

@Alfred Markovic Not wrong, but at the same time if you ask Singapore's neighbours if they would have a PAP government, most of them would say yes.

[@hj-bf1os]

@@balloooom Singapore is just a city. It would be easier to run city.

[@eleanorrepertoire1390]

You forgot POFMA

[@alsatusmd1A13]

The problem is that “democratic” countries have separation of powers, but still fuse democracy and dictatorship in their governments. This is more important than the existence of a “President” office or multiple legislative chambers. For all the millennia democracy has been known in theory or practice, one would think separation of democracy and dictatorship ought to have been tried in a democratic government by now. However, no democratic government existing currently does this.

[@nostalgicwarframeplayer1231]

15:40 summarizes the problem of the democracy/"democracy" in Singapore. Aside from the small details, it becomes a concern if the ruling party is no longer useful to uphold. It's almost like a good horror story: the threat isn't the armed assailant charging at you, but the WMD lurking in the distance.

[@juanmanuel3418]

You need to research about Switzerlands system of government. It's a polar opposite compared to Singapore, yet their standard of living are similar. Switzerland is a direct democracy, the people decide what happens. It has 4 official languages, 25% of people are immigrants, and hasn't been in a war in 2 centuries

[@phillip7731]

The only thing that is the same is that we still love our foreign cash flow.

[@TheBooban]

Basically small population countries are good as it means you don't have to share the pie with so many others. Globalists have done a wonder in convincing citizens that they need more immigrants.

[@phillip7731]

@@TheBooban Have you not read OP's comment? Switzerland is 25% immigrants (without a citizenship btw, with an immigration background it's actually 75%) Idk it's just a funny response considering that this is literally the highest immigration country in Europe lol

[@TheBooban]

@@phillip7731 Oh, I missed that last part. Didn't know it was so high. I have to revise my thesis. On the other hand, you could say 70% of Singaporians are immigrants. Not really the kind I mean.

[@michitakadouglas4130]

@@TheBooban Most are from the surrounding countries in EU if I am not mistaken.

[@xlben10]

I am a singapore resident staying at kaki bukit and i can say the reason its districts kept changing was because its the only few places where most people support the opposition party in singapore

[@dr.science_0177]

Interesting. Why is that? Is it because they want more democracy and choose opposition or is there a hidden rebellion against the dominant party

[@gundamlurva]

@@dr.science_0177 The opposition party campaigning in the Kaki Bukit area is largely seen as a credible alternative voice in parliament (no stonewalling, providing constructive feedback, that sorta thing). The shuffling of Kaki Bukit between constituencies (AKA electoral divisions) is just one such instance of gerrymandering at work. If you would like to see an even more egregious example, google "Cheng San Group Representation Constituency" and read up on how it was dissolved following a near-win for the Workers Party (the same opposition party campaigning in Kaki Bukit) in the '97 general elections (margin: 9.6%), and also the dirty tactics employed by the PAP to sway voters into voting for them (promises of housing upgrades, subtle and unfounded allegations of racism on the side of the opposition, etc). While you're at it, there's also the single-seat constituency of Joo Chiat which was likewise dissolved following the '11 general elections with an even closer margin (2.1%) between the PAP and WP candidates. The official reasoning behind the dissolution of Joo Chiat was that the voter population shrunk between '11 and '15, but anyone with half a brain during polling day could see where Joo Chiat was headed once the results came out.

[@LightBluly]

@@dr.science_0177 Google it. It's very complicated. All i know it started in 1997 election when Cheng San GRC was dissolved after the opposition nearly won. This pisses the community for years to come and it did when the oppo wins Aljunied GRC in 2011 election. I believe it was one of the few section that was under Cheng San correct me if i'm wrong. Long story short, some estates in north east like Aljunied, Hougang and Sengkang treated like shit.

[@dr.science_0177]

@@LightBluly well damn

[@shellieperreault6262]

This has been fascinating, thank you.

[@snifey7694]

This all started when lee kuan yew was heartbroken from forcibly being independent

[@erikho6936]

"Fuck it, I'll make my own country!"

[@thefortemfortispandorian8333]

@@erikho6936 Sg was actually booted out of the Malaysian federation lol

[@0daadaadaa0]

@@thefortemfortispandorian8333 Didn't that partly stem from Malaysia wanting special treatment for Malays in Singapore while Lee wanted none of it... among the other political and economic issues Malaysia and Singapore can't agree with it?

[@teddiespicker]

@@erikho6936 NOOOOAHAHAHAA

[@erikho6936]

@@0daadaadaa0 it was a lot of things together

[@flaminzzz]

Actually the quote from Lee Hsien Long "But if you vote against the Government, because somebody else will look into getting the PAP into government, you just become a free rider..." has a different meaning under the context of Singapore. The thing is, most people, despite voting for the opposition, still wants PAP to get into power (because despite the faults they have, they still develop the country relatively well). Rather, some of these people whom vote the oppositions just want the PAP to buck up (essentially by lowering their vote count)

[@artaniskim2120]

But the problem is that most people like to maintain what they have right now but do not think about what would happen when he is gone. Lets say that Lee did a great job to bring up the country to where it is today. But we are all mortals, a good dictator will eventually die too and there is no guarantee that there wont be a bad dictator to follow his path. If there was one, then there should be a nation on earth which never perished. Just as what Benjamin Franklin said “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” He and his party is only setting up the foundation to ruin everything they built

[@mehere8038]

we do the same thing in Australia, we have preferential voting, so we can vote 1 for a small party that expresses our passions & then 2 for whichever of the 2 majors we actually want to vote for. So lets say we're sick of the current government's climate change denial, we can vote 1 for the greens or the stop fraking party or the save the Barrier Reef party or whatever & then 2 for them & they get the message that they'd better focus on the environmental stuff or they'll lose our vote, even more effective if we vote for the opposition party over them, as that tells them we voted for the opposition due to their climate change policy. Sounds like Singapore is doing basically the same thing :)

[@garyoakham9723]

@@artaniskim2120 you voted for Biden so you can’t talk

[@raigreen517]

@@artaniskim2120 no they don't ruin everything, its a gamble, for the same reason for why people vote for democracy in western countries, democratic politics build something around that foundation and hope it will work knowingly that there is a chance of failing due to having too much freedom, being too democratic increases the chance of politic instability and everyone knows what impact it has on the country's social/economy. By the way that Benjamin Franklin quote is gargabe since its impossible to have essential liberty, everyone have, are and will always give up a part of their liberty for some safety one way or another because that's a major point in living in society, the bigger the society the more liberty you have to give up to keep the safety rolling

[@yuudesu]

Dictatorship can be great only if the leader actually cares about the nation.

[@faultline3936]

Can't really be summarized in that one trait... Of course it's important, but it's also important that the leader is smart, skillful, decisive, well-mannered and most importantly, someone who doesn't possess greed. You see, all of these conflict that involves a nation or something that has a "leader" are all caused by one thing and one thing only, greed.

[@antikovt]

That's why monarchies sometimes work. You have a person who legally can't not be the ruler and who has all the treasures he could, so there's nothing to strive for, nothing to get greedy over. You can only try to be an actually decent leader, while you're at it. Additionally, in a perfect situation, you are also provided with the best education there is and also taught about the ways of ruling the country, making you competent and reliable. That's the ideal situation though, not very realistic, but still something to think about

[@Neion8]

IDK man, it's pretty undeniable that both Hitler and Mussolini cared a whole lot about their nation - just not everyone within it and definitely not anyone outside it (outside of political/millitary advantage). The other thing, is that all leaders are eventually forced to delegate, if there's corruption or just outright untamed malevolence anywhere down the chain of command it can have pretty big consequences on those it impacts; (obviously the higher up the chain the more people it affects) without the risk of consequences to those able to change it providing an incentive to actually do their job rather than enable those behaviours with nepotism, apathy and/or their own corrupt desires. Granted, the latter still happens in even the best democracy, but a party in power is like a ship at sail - it's only when it gets to a port that you can really scrape off the scum.

[@AvadaKedavra943]

@@antikovt The issue with monarchy as opposed to a regular dictatorship is that you have to pass the throne to your children, often the oldest son. What if you are young and ill, and your oldest child is 5 and is a princess? What do you then? Power vacuum. Chaos. With dictatorship, you can have a meritocratic process to promote someone via a set of rules by the consensus of the elders, elites or the politburo, or the standing committee, etc. This way, you can always make sure that the new dictator is not gonna be a lemon 🍋. Have a system so that the dictator can influence their successors but have no power to appoint one without meritocratic consensus.

[@byakugozen8334]

Not only that the leader need to actually cares about the nation, he also need to be competent, no matter how much you love your nation if you are incapable of leading your nation to the better future it would end up like Tiananmen square and the great famine all over again.

[@Yourmomma568]

dictatorships very often work well when they manage small states. the larger the size, the more difficult it becomes to manage for a small group. democracy and free market are both ways that make population management easier. people often confuse them as inherently good, but they are just useful tools, a means, and not an end of itself.

[@longiusaescius2537]

Yep

[@9wiseart117]

China is a large communist state which may be an exception to that notion.

[@nyk2000m]

@@9wiseart117 China learned from Singapore. The only difference is CCP didn't have the guts to have free election.

[@captainheat2314]

​@@9wiseart117they wont last long so eventually they will fall

[@sy-2]

@@captainheat2314apparently not for thousands of years

[@pacefactor]

Say what you will, but the fact that Singapore is an isolated "City-State" of ~6 million people is a very important consideration. It is a small, highly dense self-governing entity and that has a whole lot of impact on the ability for opposition to make a case and the ease at which one group can keep power. You see it pretty much all over the rest of the world, too - typically large, dense urban centers will have the same political leadership and affiliation for several decades and very rarely have changes. Despite its diversity, that's a whole lot of people packed into a fairly tight place. I also know that there is a WHOLE lot of propaganda that surrounds that country, and when I was there you could sense a general tension from certain parts of the population - especially if you went to the more ethnic-centric areas like the Indian quarter where people seemed to ignore the "littering" laws (that are terrifying - the laws, not the people). Essentially, Singapore is no different from any other major city, except it has no larger government that can supersede it and it incredibly reliant of foreign interest to maintain any level of relevancy - It cannot mount any real defense or offense against any real geopolitical power if they piss them off. The same can be said for the population - if there is any level of stability drop, its going to tumble hard because there is no way for them to deal with problem otherwise. Calling Singapore a corporation is probably the most accurate statement you could make. I would also argue that ALL governments are corporations (as they tend to apply corporatist economic philosophy and thinking - which is all about control), but thats rather a seperate discussion.

[@pacefactor]

@Swar Zhe ?

[@adamclark9004]

Kinda makes sense why people in blue American city's keep voting democratic even though crime, taxes, homelessness and cost of living keeps going up. Media/propaganda also has alot to do with it, new york for example isn't giving any coverage to the republican candidates

[@pegcity4eva]

Sounds like CHICAGO

[@johntron3849]

Singapore is like a corporation but isn’t every government. Us: 28 trillion in “debt”

[@eruno_]

@@adamclark9004 Or you know city people of US don't want a politician that doesn't align with their liberal values.

[@OopsFailedArt]

If you do a good job, you retain power. That’s the thing they figured out years ago that no other party seems to be able to comprehend in any other country.

[@JohnM-ch4to]

For some countries, the corruption is so deep that any party can't/doesn't do a good job. No matter what party the populace choose :'(

[@austingonzalez1148]

If you do a good job repressing opposition you mean?

[@OopsFailedArt]

Yet this is a country that used authoritarian actions to SERVE their people. The West has made a silly religion out of Democracy and fails to see that systems short comings. My preferred government style is a republic personally. Singapore proves, however, that authoritarian rule can be done well and for the most peoples best interest. They will only fall once they fail in this rioe

[@giantWario]

@@austingonzalez1148 I honestly don't think that does much difference. If anything, I agree with PolyMatter, I think they'd be more secure in their position if they allowed the opposition to fight them. They are a South Asian small country surrounded by bigger but much poorer neighbors. They have as much GDP per capita as the US but one of the best universal healthcare in the world, the best education in the world (China's numbers are bullshit) and amazing public housing. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that no country in the world has citizens as comfortable and safe as Singapore. The PAP really has done absolutely amazing things for its citizens and people there know that. They would win anyway, hell I'm certain a lot of those votes against them are protest votes about their authoritarianism.

[@damienlee927]

@@austingonzalez1148 No they don't. The opposition is a joke, and anyone with half a brain can see that

[@Nainara32]

PolyMatter's proposed dichotomy of action at 13:40 comes off as a bit artificial because P.A.P. still has an enormous margin of safety. There is no incentive to alter the status quo of political repression at this time. However, the point made at 16:35 is important: single-party states are fragile because without strong independent institutions, they are perpetually one poor leader away from complete disaster.

[@briansimmons8643]

ALL w e s t e r n c o u n t r i e s are s t e a l t h d 1 c t a t r s h p s now. The N w W r d O r d runs EVERYTHING. Open you e y e s people.

[@yoissy]

@@briansimmons8643 do you really think if there was a real illuminati monitoring all KZbin comments, putting a space between your letters would he what throws them off? 😂😂 Damn, woulda found him it weren't for those spaces and missed vowels. I know we have AI able to identify the object in a photo, or solve captchas, or figure out what the next song people want is, this problem was just too big for us. Brian got one over on us. 😂😂

[@mrdiynz4116]

@@yoissy best comment I have read this month nicely done

[@bjaurus6375]

"they are perpetually one poor leader away from complete disaster." You take that back. A country is a small price to pay for ice cream.

[@shucklesors]

i dont blame you for your lack of education, but if you are legally trained (you MORE THAN CLEARLY arent) you should look into the checks and balances in singapore law and how "volatile" they are (little hint for you: they really, and REALLY really arent). thats the first thing (god i hope you, pitiful thing, can catch up). the next is that the PAP isnt a monolith. it isnt "one poor leader" away from complete disaster. like, do you actually think if prime minister LHL actually ends up on a hospital bed unable to move his limbs today the rest of the PAP will be asking him for instructions on what to do, literally saying "blink once if you agree to this policy and blink twice if you disagree"? lastly, in your head do you actually picture the PAP being the only adults in a nursery full of its children citizens? LOL my fucking goodness... holy fuck you and your upvoters are deserving of ACTUAL pity LOL

[@73elephants]

This video speaks as if it's an uncontested fact that (a) democracy is the ideal form of government, (b) Western countries are democratic, and (c) changing Singapore's system into a typical Western democracy would do more good than harm. I have strong doubts about all three of those assumptions.

[@73elephants]

@@JohnSmith-mc2zz I didn't say he _says_ those things, I said he _speaks a if_ those things are _uncontested facts._ And, yes, that Western countries are actually democratic, as opposed to being merely nominally so, _is_ a contested fact.

[@73elephants]

@@JohnSmith-mc2zz The Earth is an oblate sphere, true, but the deviation from sphericity is so slight, you wouldn't notice it using mere eyesight. The deviations from democracy of alleged democratic states are so glaring that serious minds have wondered whether real democracy ever exists at all.

[@alainportant6412]

@@73elephants funny

[@haiwanbumi]

I love how the majority of the Singaporeans aren't talking about the video but about the way Poly says PAP like bro

[@moopower800]

It's just about the only thing he got wrong. The other things he talks about, although subject to individual opinion, has some validity.

[@caekes2628]

cuz us singaporeans mostly agree with him lol

[@Htiy]

@@moopower800 moo power

[@sor3999]

@@moopower800 His choosing to say it as one word isn't wrong.

[@dingus42]

@@sor3999 it is, PAP is an initialism not an acronym, it's like saying "KFC" as "kuffk"

[@AkaixJK]

Singapore: Ban chewing gums (Reason: making MRT doors unable to open/stuck) USA: Ban Kinder Surprise (Reason: ????)

[@dx-ek4vr]

Ostensibly the reason is because they're afraid that children will choke on the toys inside, but in practice, didn't hear about any cases of kids choking to death on them here in the US

[@AkaixJK]

@@dx-ek4vr I believe there is a rather big plastic casing before the kid could even reach the toy that is being stored inside. If it is a choking hazard, then LEGOS should be banned for sale in the US as most of their toy bricks and especially the figurine heads are small enough to be a choking hazard.

[@JamesBideaux]

@@dx-ek4vr I think it violated safety regulations (no plastic in your foods) and ferrero probably never applied for an exception.

[@CarrotConsumer]

@@JamesBideaux Right. Kinder eggs were never banned, they just violated existing rules about objects in food.

[@dennisshaykevich3451]

It's because of the 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which prohibits "non-nutritive", AKA inedible, products in food _unless_ it aids in the eating, such as a popsicle stick. The toys in the Kinder Eggs aren't that, so they're banned. I actually believe that it was for poisoning, not choking, that this law was passed. It's actually a pretty good law that just happens to have this slightly ridiculous quirk to it through no fault of its own. The US, could probably remedy this, but it's a pretty trivial matter that I'd doubt anyone is genuinely concerned about.

[@benlin2186]

it's amazing how a country with no natural resource and small can be so prosperous just because in the hand of the right person

[@henrietta9206]

*if

[@JohnnyUDoe]

Well, Singapore had a bit of a head start by the British (like HK, it was developed as a trading outpost), it's just that LKY managed to take it several notches further especially from when Singapore was expelled from Malaysia in 1965 until he stepped down as its PM in 1990 (he had already led the city-state since 1959).

[@beamyshark]

@@JohnnyUDoe No.

[@watermelontea37]

@@JohnnyUDoe how did the british even help singapore, they left singapore in the lurch

[@jonnhw]

@@JohnnyUDoe nope the british barely did anything to help singapore

[@Retro.Cat.]

As a Singaporean, majority of young adults here are well-aware of how authoritarian Singapore is. We openly call PAP a dictatorship or openly-corrupt. Ministers gets payed millions, laws are solely made by one party, and anything we disagree with will still be implemented. But the trade-off? High pay, amazing healthcare, world class public transportation, amazing amenities. Personally, I did average in school yet I have no worries for the future living in Sg even more so for those with higher education. Its practically a utopia for middle class families and heaven for the rich. It still has lower income families of course, but they are heavily supported to have the bare minimum which is housing. I love and hate PAP, but I can’t deny the convenience of living here. All that’s said, I will most likely NOT retire here, but I am sure to be able to move to any country with my decent education from this country and powerful passport at the end of the day. What I think is important is really accountability, I don’t care if PAP ran the government but I want an opposition capable of at least keeping them in check and the public aware. Which has sadly yet to happen.

[@kagekun1198]

I'd say paying Ministers very generous salaries also helped. If a country is stingy with their decision maker's income, they would have to struggle every day fighting a personal war of light and darkness not to use their powers for corruption. Even if they're not Jeff Bezos, being rich enough to not worry about luxuries or losing face would leave them enough time and energy to focus on the country. If you don't like it, look at the alternative. Look at Malaysia.

[@alainportant6412]

Bad place to have kids as a foreigner. If they do drugs, they get caned to death .

[@paeng1935]

The top ministers being paid highly seems very effective in my eyes. It aligns with the constant analogy of the video that Singapore is a corporation, where the "managers" are compensated highly enough that they're not tempted to abuse their power for monetary gain. It also makes the minister position attractive as a job, ensuring a stiff competition to weed out less effective candidates.

[@ensiyeitu1012]

People really don't know what they want. Given that you are still not satisfied with the status quo, can you look around and see how your neighbors are doing, maybe you will appreciate your own.

[@Urlocalaltarserver]

Ya bro same here

[@forasakenfire]

Singaporean here, three main reasons why I believe the PAP remains in power. One, the alternative views are generally not being propagated. More of such views are available because of social media combined with a more educated population that knows where to draw the line (before it becomes defamation). Two, most of us are more concerned about economic growth over true democracy. PAP's policies are favourable to the middle class (which most of us are) and it improves our standard of living. We don't want policies to change every election because of power changing hands. Three, the opposition do not have enough candidates of good calibre. It is something that has improved in the most recent election but in the past most of them are a big joke. Just go youtube and search "the best moment of Singapore's 2015 General election" and you will find out what I mean

[@thestudentofficial5483]

I see.

[@forasakenfire]

@You Tube Lee Clan do not exactly have high calibre ones but at least they tend not to embarrass themselves as much. GE2020 is a different story though from the Ivan Lee saga and the East Coast Plan.

[@Steven-fv8xw]

Is there a chance that PAP somehow lose power to a opposition party one day in the future? Maybe 30 years later? Or is it possible that PAP collapses from inside? What will Singaporeans do if they can no longer rely on PAP?

[@forasakenfire]

@@Steven-fv8xw Maybe in the future, but highly unlikely in the next 2 to 3 elections (10-15 years). It's hard to foresee what will happen beyond that. For now, the PAP looks united but infighting could be a key possibility for their collapse in the future. The other possible reason is they somehow destroy the economy. As for what Singaporeans will do, it's hard to say. Will the new party system stable enough for us to stay? Or will it be a hot mess? If it is a hot mess, migrating could be a good option.

[@benjamingoh8204]

@You Tube You assume that their 'rigging of the game' has a huge impact on voting; yet in this exact video, and on behalf of many I know in Singapore, voting citizens are relatively educated and can make wise decisions based on their own knowledge and what they desire from a ruling party, not from PAP's influence. I won't deny our system is indeed a faux-democracy, but the average citizen is quite informed on politics compared to other authoritarian countries, rendering previously implied control of elections less of a game-changer. Besides, PAP does have a better East Coast Plan.

[@sakurajin_noa]

I would like to have high fines for littering. People who litter in public spaces are the worst.

[@sakurajin_noa]

@bong breaker well it would need to be something that can be enforced. because of that fines, or even high fines, would be great. That way you think at least once before you throw it just anywhere

[@surr3al305]

@@sakurajin_noa people being actually fined is very rare. Most of the citizens don't litter, but a minority drop cigarette butts everywhere, soda cans into water bodies etc. But unlike what the other guy mentioned, you almost never see trash heaps (unless you're in some industrial location) thanks to the cleaners that the country employs. We're a pretty clean country all things considered.

[@TheLazyEconomist]

We do. No one enforces litter in many Western Nations.

[@ZimmerSquash]

We also just educate our kids from young not to be shitholes

[@Mica_T]

If I'm not wrong, part of the consequence includes wearing a bright yellow vest while cleaning public spaces. (If I'm wrong, don't pofma me gahmen 😂)

[@wafiywahidi3317]

*"A dictatorship pretending to be a democracy"* *-russia 2021*

[@FQP-7024]

You mean Russia since the boljševik revolution?

[@chiquita683]

@@FQP-7024 they've expanded to America

[@FQP-7024]

@@chiquita683 not yet, the constitution is the single piece that keeps everything still together, no matter what

[@pranjalbivare7667]

~Russia since years

[@pascalausensi9592]

*-Mexico during the entire XX century*

[@rebeccagaddi135]

Perhaps it's time to re-study the concepts - democracy, authoritarian, dictatorship, plutocracy, etc... If some countries made it to success with what works for them, we have to understand that each of us are different in culture, social structure, values and many more. Let's appreciate the successes, learn from them and be careful with other things we're not so familiar with. Nothing's wrong with learning and understanding.

[@mshk1989]

I feel high standards of living plays a major role in things staying the same, or there'd be wide protests regardless of how severe punishments are. Don't fix what isnt broken (kinda)

[@petermabbort456]

You’ve clearly not loved in Singapore. I’ve spend 22 years there and there is a huge proportion of the nation living below the poverty line and struggling to eat day by day.

[@FireFoxGaming56]

@@petermabbort456 makes me wonder why there’s no minimum wage.

[@oohshaohan8976]

@@FireFoxGaming56 I don't remember where I heard it from but the excuse was that the min wage would give companies the incentive to pay as low as they can. ie the minimum wage. Thus the government would rather prefer its citizens to discuss wages directly with employees

[@SuperJosteen]

The key here is that enough people feel content with the status quo, so people on SG do not feel the need for a change

[@whagment]

@@oohshaohan8976 no theres no minimum wage so people will work, insteaed of staying unemployed for government to give them money.

[@matthewboyd8689]

Singapore incorporated? Would never have imagined it.

[@JoshuaHoe]

Looking at 11:13 reminds me of a provocative quote by Lee Kuan Yew. “You’re talking about Rwanda or Bangladesh, or Cambodia, or the Philippines. They’ve got democracy ... But have you got a civilized life to lead? People want economic development first and foremost. The leaders may talk something else. You take a poll of any people. What is it they want? The right to write an editorial as you like? They want homes, medicine, jobs, schools.” - Lee Kuan Yew, The Man and His Ideas, 1997

[@anartapoashan5714]

Rwanda now ironically apes Singapore

[@kaifxaif9502]

Bangladesh isn't a democracy,it's a hybrid regime,don't know about Cambodia but I think it's still not a democracy.

[@leesk8862]

It P.A.P not call pep...😨😨😨

[@VoidPaul97]

I like to think that being a dictator, will never be a synonymous of being a tyrant, if the dictator takes all the decisions for the people's sake, then he can't be considered a bad person.

[@thenightwatchman1598]

depend on what you mean by people. majorities can still be tyrannies. just look at ancient athens.

[@zyancuerdo1615]

Yeah your not wrong there. I mean look at tito dude was a dictator but wanst a bad guy and made yougosalvia a preety decent place to live in

[@RandPersonn]

Yes, but the reason why dictators is because humans can make mistakes and humans are not flawless. The likelihood that a single person who has all the power in his hands will rule the country badly is much higher than the likelihood than a group of people sharing that power ruling the country badly. Most of the Humans are not omniscient, ultra genius individuals.

[@o76923]

The Dictator's Handbook has an interesting bit about Singapore. It cites it as the only example of a benevolent dictatorship actually working. The book frames political decisions as individuals needing to win over keys to power who then must use that power to maintain the support of their keys (typically either the military or key voting blocs). Under that model, leaders who wish to retain power must spend most of their resources keeping those keys happy and can spend the rest on whatever they want. Typically, that takes the form of corruption/personal enrichment. Singapore is unique because they "waste" money improving the lives of the citizens beyond what is necessary to maintain their grip on power.

[@henrietta9206]

last line - what a joke

[@o76923]

@@henrietta9206, I put "waste" in quotes because it refers specifically to a jargon use of the term. Most of us would consider improving the lives of citizens to be a good use of government resources. It's just that the model for how governments work laid out in the book defines the optimal amount that you can spend on helping the citizens to be the minimum you can spend to still retain power. Any spending beyond that could be more efficiently spent either securing your power in other ways or, if your keys already back you sufficiently, then you can spend it on literally anything you want and it won't matter. You could lower taxes, build giant golden statues of yourself, invest in a foreign sports team, or anything. Singapore just chooses to spend it on stuff like healthcare even though they are autocrats who don't have to.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

It's more of an authoritarian democracy or just straight up authoritarian than a dictatorship

[@JS-pl6zw]

a comparison to Japan would be interesting, Japan has had the same ruling party since 1955

[@josgibbons6777]

Except for two governments that formed in 1993 & 2009, IIRC.

[@turboapples1233]

Yeah but the difference is that in Japan most people don't really care about politics and so they kind of just vote for them because they are already in power so why would you want them out? Japan's elections are free and fair unlike Singapore's which are free and unfair

[@MinecraftMasterNo1]

@@turboapples1233 The technical term is harassed parties. Technically you can vote for an opposition party but they're so disadvantaged that almost no one does.

[@turboapples1233]

@@AndenMowe-hh5qk yup spot on

[@JS-pl6zw]

@@turboapples1233 "Yeah but the difference is that in Japan most people don't really care about politics and so they kind of just vote for them because they are already in power so why would you want them out?" ....seems to be the same in singapore

[@n2thea]

Wendover Productions: Planes / Aviation RealLifeLore: Toyota PolyMatter: Singapore Interesting how these channels have these low-key fetishes

[@tlclookism]

Dont forget, they love China too

[@Evannnnnnnn2]

Also second thought: socialism

[@Honeycreepin]

Wendover has a fetish for the word "Therefore"

[@tylerbozinovski427]

All three channels have a fetish for CuriosityStream and Nebula.

[@DioTheGreatOne]

Other dictatorships: Citizens: I don't like the government! Government: How dare you? You're going to Jail! Singaporean dictatorship: Citizens: I don't like the government! Government: Oh no! Anyway...

[@i2cybeast]

My friends overseas always ask me to tell them how to turn their countries as prosperous as Singapore. Instead of going through the whole thing, I just tell them, “study our politics and style of governance and you’ll understand”. But I always end of with, “be careful what you wish for”

[@NewmaticKe]

Look, I work in Africa and travelled 67 countries. I know what to wish for

[@SenorHybrido]

I used to tell that to people who say the same envious things about Singapore during my travels, but in recent years gave it some thought and realized that that's not right - a lot of them know exactly what they are wishing for. If democracy works so well in allowing them to vote out politicians and thus solving their problems, well, their problems would have been solved since the last election. Yet the reality is that they are from countries that are clearly suffering after multiple elections free from tampering and whatnot, and in truth what they have been through have not been any better than what the PAP did in the early years, except they have not found the economic prosperity that we have after all that trouble. My new conclusion is that we are simply lucky - we sided with a dictatorship that has good intentions in some ways (just like many other dictatorships) and has the ability to run a country properly. What the big difference is now is that while they still believe that at some level they can vote out the bad elements in their governments, we are running on faith - faith that PAP will continue to be good - because we really don't have a plan B.

[@i2cybeast]

@@SenorHybrido most countries are run under dictatorships but they haven’t used that as an advantage to improve their countries so that’s why most people look at Singapore and think, “why can’t we just do that?”. Singapore is not a perfect country, it never will be. However, the pragmatism of our first gen leaders had set the tone for governance. People would be surprised what effective governments can achieve

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@AndenMowe-hh5qk same as HK so I wonder if it’s due to China

[@alex8130a]

Definitely Id choose autocracy every day over liberal democracy, countries with free elections have suffered always the same problems always seeming to "elect the wrong politician" or "being tricked" or maybe "our president was sabotaged by the opposition" always bringing up the excuses in the system but almost never seeming to care. And really in democracy theres always a way out, you can blame your problems on the previous governments and leave your debts to the next one, theres never continuity and also not really enough time. In an autocracy/authoritarian govt however, at least you know who is in power and who is responsible and dont really need to play the politics game, there is actual long term thinking from whos in power because they are directly dependent on how the country does, and theres time to make policies and control to effectiveky apply them. From the populace there is knowledge and stability.

[@10-OSwords]

I live on SSDI in America. If I had the choice to move somewhere where I didn't have to rent a bedroom in someone's home & could live in an actual small apartment even a studio by myself & I could get my broken teeth fixed...which are not at all options for the disabled in America; even if it were basically a dictatorship, I would probably move there.

[@owk9018]

That's what these white westerners don't understand and for their fantasy of democracy we, third world people, end up paying with our lives.

[@Mongalingalong]

I seriously don't understand why everyone is so scared of this "dictatorship". You can still speak out against the government unless you are spreading falsehood. What is so bad about it? It's not like we are forced to eat potatoes or forced to obey the prime minister's every demand or some shit. It's just like any other country tbh. We are just borderline, not North Korea level of dictatorship lol

[@10-OSwords]

@@Mongalingalong Every govt has room for improvement & I'm sure there have been many benevolent dictatorships where the citizens were taken a lot better care of than in many so called "free" societies. Just look at the US's last election & ongoing efforts to ban mail in ballots & add all sorts of restrictions like signature matching (people's signatures change over time) & changing the dates from when the ballot was stamped to having it have to be in the office by the mail in date so poorer people aren't' even able to vote-sounds more like a "dictatorship" to me than what's going on in Singapore.

[@10-OSwords]

@@owk9018 My question (as a white westerner) is why are we ALWAYS in other peoples contrives? I believe it's been about 2 years total in the US history that we haven't been at war...& it's all for oil, resources & political power abroad. I've always been against armed forces other than something like national guard (& not for immigration). If somebody is trying to invade your country-go ahead bomb the h*ll out of them. Defend yourself fine, invade other countries that history looks back on like Vietnam & generally agrees we had no business being part of-not fine, not in anyway. & think about influence in general: it's so much easier to get whatever it is you're looking for in any relationship if you have a positive relationship-based on diplomacy, economic help, trade..., not something based on 'we'll bomb out this certain portion of your population that doesn't agree with the party in power"-that will just be a cycle of retaliation forever.

[@jerry3790]

It’s an example most countries shouldn’t follow, but a result most countries should strive to achieve.

[@benjaminlamptey1867]

What example should be followed instead? The US? lol

[@explodethebomb]

@@benjaminlamptey1867 Any of New Zealand, Finland, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, or Norway

[@kaixuanjaw3173]

@@explodethebomb The thing about all this country is, they are going to be successful no matter how. They are too rich to fail, or having a crucial advance in technological sector to fail. It's not about politics, they could be a god damn dictatorship and still have a better wellbeing for their people. They are the winner of the colonial era, it's not fucking democracy that shape the nation orelse India will become stronger than China long ago

[@mysticondeflamme]

Well said

[@Khanguyen-uu4vl]

@@explodethebomb democracy is a luxury, you need to be rich to maintain your democracy, or you will end up like India

[@ChairmanMeow086]

First of all it is not a dictatorship , it is a democracy, just because a party did such an excellent job and win all election since 1965 doesn’t make it a dictatorship.

[@Nikki_the_G]

lol, sad.

[@SalvaBidoof]

​@@Nikki_the_G???

[@ezggwp2705]

interesting ragebait. 8/10